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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:15] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1, 500 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel and typically every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through it track by track and we talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement. We give it scores. Again, just a bunch of friends who love music having some fun first and foremost. Again, whoever takes this trip with us, listening to us, we want to thank you. Spread the word and you know what, reach out to us. Tell us what you like, what you don't like, what we can change or we can do more of. We're always listening. So again, thank you so much. Tonight we are at threesome. Again we have Frank.
My name is Frank and I'm Sexy.
[00:02:04] Speaker D: Hello everybody.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: We have Mark. Oh hi Mark.
[00:02:09] Speaker E: What's up guys?
[00:02:10] Speaker C: And I'm Sir.
Last week we wrapped up a massive album from the 90s Tragic Kingdom by no Doubt, Not Necessarily My cup of tea. Overall, definitely some good songs. I mean, to me the two standouts were definitely the two big hits that I liked back then, Just a Girl and Spiderwebs. There was a little Disco Y song which I forgot the name of, but I like that one too. You have to say it's definitely a fun album which stuck around for three years. We found out basically releasing singles from 95 to 98. A massive impact for them. Kept them in the limelight for a while. They were pretty big for a while. Mark, I know that you really enjoyed it.
[00:02:45] Speaker E: That's one of my favorite albums in the 90s. I'm upset that you didn't get your song that you wanted that song so much. The one song you were hoping to get but you never got.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: That disco one isn't bad. I think I'm going to go back to that one. I kind of like whatever what was that one called, Mark?
[00:02:58] Speaker E: I forget the name of it right this moment.
[00:02:59] Speaker C: On the second side.
[00:03:01] Speaker E: Yeah, I'll figure it out later.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: That one.
[00:03:04] Speaker E: That one, yeah.
[00:03:06] Speaker C: Frank, you liked it too, Overall?
[00:03:08] Speaker D: Yeah, overall, I did like it. It just was very nostalgic to listen to it. It just brought back that period where kind of like Scott and rockabilly sound was around. Think about kind of like Sublime, the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. That album just puts me back to that period. I liked it.
[00:03:23] Speaker C: Obviously, the 90s are overall a good era for music. Always happy to get something from there. Mark, you got a 90s, but you didn't get that grunge 90s yet. I know you're still holding out for. Right.
[00:03:33] Speaker E: Crossing whatever things. I can cross that eventually we'll get it. But I know the Wheel doesn't like me, so it's going to do the opposite of what I want to do.
[00:03:40] Speaker C: She teases you.
[00:03:41] Speaker E: I think she does. Hey, here's some 90s. Here's Fiona Apple. Here's no Doubt.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Yeah, you're not getting Alice in Chains or you're getting this. Obviously a big one. We don't always get the big ones, especially from big bands. Typically, she gives us one or two. You would thought that that's what she would have picked up, but she picked out the big one. It's kind of like Bon Jovi. You got the big ones. You never know what's going to happen when you spin the wheel. And we get to spin it again ton night. So we're very happy. But obviously before we do the mama wheel, we do the baby wheel and we do our new BET segment.
[00:04:11] Speaker D: In a world where new music is not easy to find.
Welcome to New Bets.
[00:04:26] Speaker E: Okie doke. Can you see the Wheel?
[00:04:28] Speaker C: I see it. What a contrast between this one and the other one.
[00:04:32] Speaker E: Yeah, well, you never know what's gonna come up on this thing either.
[00:04:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:35] Speaker E: Here we go. Here's a wheel.
[00:04:49] Speaker C: We have Detroit by Bad Flower. That name sounds familiar for sure. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of them, but I want to say I've heard of them. Some one way or another, I've heard of them.
[00:04:58] Speaker E: The name sounds familiar, but I don't know if I know them. Let's try it. Here we go. So this is Bad Flower Detroit.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Hey, I've had my time.
I'm not bor.
I think it's bored of me.
They say.
They say I'm in the cr.
But they don't know my kind.
They don't know me.
Here we are pressing on Stepping over everyone I'm so unhappy Going to try my heart I want to feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted it's so depressing Hard pressing on, pressing on I hate pretending this is where my heart is I want to feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted Wait I miss wasting time Taking drugs all night Surfing MTV what changed the pressure, her all the time and the friends we left behind to get on that screen Here we are pressing on Stepping over everyone I'm so unhappy but I try my heart I want to feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted it's so depressing on pressing on, pressing on I hate pretending this is where my my heart I want to feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted it's easy to complain cuz I got it but who would I be if I lost it?
Hey, I'm just wasting time but I won't waste my life Come on and scream Here we are pressing on Stepping over everyone I'm so unhappy but I drive I hearted I never feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted it's so depressing Hard pressing on, pressing on I hate pretending this is where my heart is I want to feel the way I did when we started it's so depressing having everything I wanted Here I am pretending.
[00:08:30] Speaker C: The chorus was very catchy. I wasn't crazy about the rest of it too much. I mean, the drums or whatever, but it's like something you hear in a department store and you're like, hey, what's that? Let me turn on my Shazam.
[00:08:41] Speaker E: It's like the boy version of Olivia Rodrigo. Is that what that is?
Right? Doesn't it sound just like her music?
[00:08:47] Speaker C: I mean, I only know the one.
[00:08:48] Speaker E: Song by hers, but it sounds like that.
[00:08:50] Speaker C: Did she get sued back for that?
[00:08:52] Speaker E: Probably.
[00:08:53] Speaker C: Even though I like that better than the other one. Everybody's like, what?
[00:08:56] Speaker D: Like, yeah, I like the sound. I'm just trying to remember who they remind me of. Definitely something in the late 2000s. Forget the name. Exactly. But I like it. Little Billie Eilish sounding too.
[00:09:06] Speaker E: I don't get any Billie Eilish in that.
[00:09:08] Speaker D: I did. I hear a little bit in the beginning. Okay, it'll come. But it's good.
[00:09:11] Speaker C: Like it.
[00:09:11] Speaker E: I don't know how much I like It. How much? I don't like it. It's super poppy.
That's kind of the end of it for me. It doesn't really do very much. It's sort of rock, but it's not. Does that make sense?
[00:09:23] Speaker C: Yeah, Pop rock.
[00:09:24] Speaker E: I mean, I could live with never having to listen to that thing ever again.
[00:09:28] Speaker C: So now Mark's gonna hear it all the time. It's coming on the radio for you, Mark.
[00:09:32] Speaker E: Oh, you know what? That's what's gonna happen. 100.
[00:09:34] Speaker C: It's coming. Yep. That and rat.
[00:09:38] Speaker E: I'd rather have rat 1000%. Anyway, if you like it, let us know. If you don't like it, let us know. We will rubber stamp this one.
[00:09:46] Speaker D: In a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to New Bets.
[00:10:05] Speaker E: Now it's time for the real wheel. What are we thinking?
[00:10:07] Speaker C: I mean, I keep saying the same thing. Something a little heavy. The heaviest album we've had is Pantera, but other than that, we really haven't had anything heavy. Mark, I know what you want.
[00:10:16] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm not even going to say what I want. Everyone knows what I want.
[00:10:19] Speaker C: Don't say it.
[00:10:20] Speaker E: I'm just going to leave it out there. Frank, what do you want?
[00:10:22] Speaker D: Kind of hoping for a little Zach Wilde. That would be great.
[00:10:25] Speaker E: Any specific? Black Label or Ozzy?
[00:10:28] Speaker D: An Aussie would be nice. An Aussie would definitely be nice, but I'll settle for Black Label.
[00:10:33] Speaker E: Well, here we go. Here is the Big Wheel.
[00:10:57] Speaker C: Black and Blue by Black and Blue.
Gotta love that Poshafy n thing. Obviously anybody who's a Kiss fan knows who was in this band. Mr. Tommy Thayer, better known as, what is it, Mark? The Spaceman, huh?
[00:11:11] Speaker E: Yeah, whatever.
This is Jamie St. James on leading backing vocals. Tommy Thayer, the quote unquote spaceman.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: Look, it's rock and roll.
[00:11:23] Speaker E: On lead guitar and backing vocals, Jeff Whoop Warner on rhythm guitar, Patrick Young on bass and Pete Holmes on drums. The producer is Dieter Dirks. Producer, the Scorpion, 1984.
Oh, wow. This is going to be interesting. Frank, do you know this album at all? I know nothing. From this.
[00:11:41] Speaker D: I know absolutely nothing. I'm a virgin.
[00:11:45] Speaker E: Me too. I don't have a lot of high hopes for this.
[00:11:48] Speaker C: I have this on vinyl for sure. I think it's one of my 10 cent specials that I always talk about. And I want to say it's one of those where I tried but didn't grab me, but I don't remember. It's definitely been a while. And this is another one that kind of shows up on people's list of hidden gems.
[00:12:02] Speaker E: I don't have much faith in this. I've never heard anything from this. Obviously I was listening to music in 1984. I remember the name of the band, but I don't remember any songs from this. Not that I remember offhand. Maybe I've heard stuff, but I would have no clue if you told me what they sang. I know the name and that's about it.
[00:12:17] Speaker C: This was a band that was never on our radar. Not an hour click. I'm sure my cousin had this record. I'm willing to bet that he has this as far as something where we knew knew about it, or at least one of us kind of talked about it. I don't remember any of us ever talking about this.
[00:12:33] Speaker E: Here we go. So the first song is the Strong Will Rock.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: It.
Got a pound of eva.
Got a pound in beets.
Trying to pound my heat into your meat.
If you want it harder that's what you'll get.
But I can tell you ain't seen nothing yet.
Cause I got the feeling and my time is right.
We're gonna make this place alive today.
All we is you.
I'm telling ya that the world will know what we can do.
The song will always ride on. The song will always roll with rock and roll.
[00:14:30] Speaker C: I cannot wait for you to read what I think was in those lyrics.
[00:14:35] Speaker E: Holy.
[00:14:36] Speaker C: I will say, once it kicks in. That little music piece I thought wasn't bad right before I went into the verse, it's like, oh, this doesn't sound too bad. And then to me, it kind of fell apart from there in terms of the melody and everything. If you didn't hear it before, listen to it next time when the chorus comes in and tell me it doesn't sound like Nick and I sing in the chorus.
Especially Nick. I'm telling you, back in the day, right when we were kind of first started out the way we would sing. You'll hear it next time, I promise. Unless they do something differently.
[00:15:05] Speaker E: Holy fuck. That's so bad. How did they get signed? How did anyone sign this? I bitch about late 80s hair metal. Holy shit. I almost think I like Firehouse now. Compared to this. This is shit. It's horrible. The guitar playing was okay. The lead part, that wasn't bad. From Tommy Thayer. Oh yeah. The word wow.
[00:15:22] Speaker D: I'm in suspense. I can't wait to hear the rest of the words because I think I know what I heard. I need to hear you say it.
[00:15:27] Speaker E: Steve should be reading this.
[00:15:28] Speaker C: I know.
[00:15:29] Speaker E: This should be A Steve song.
Okay. Got a pounding fever got a pounding beat Gonna pound my heat into your meat oh, my Lord if you want it harder that's what you'll get I can tell you ain't seen nothing yet Because I got the feeling and my time is right we're gonna make this place alive tonight Pre chorus. All we need is you I'm telling you Then the world will know what we can do Chorus. The strong will always rock the strong will always roll the strong will survive with rock and roll the strong will always rock the strong will always roll the strong will survive with rock and roll Wow. I appreciate no Doubt's lyrics even more now. And they weren't bad, but this is. Oh, my God. I thought, like, girl school was bad. This is worse than girl school.
[00:16:16] Speaker D: Relax with that.
[00:16:18] Speaker C: Girl school is definitely better than this.
[00:16:20] Speaker E: Seriously.
[00:16:21] Speaker D: Wow.
Oh, brother.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: This guy stinks. System failure.
System failure.
[00:16:32] Speaker C: Holy noises.
[00:16:34] Speaker E: Yeah, serious. Like this.
Wow. I don't even know what to say.
[00:16:40] Speaker C: Maybe it'll be a good solo.
[00:16:42] Speaker E: Yeah, but the music is so. Oh, I don't know. The wheel really wants to with me, huh? Holy.
[00:16:47] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like you think the late 80s was bad. You forgot about the early 80s.
[00:16:51] Speaker E: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: We got the power and we got the will and we never seem to get up in so we'll ride forever we feel it's wrong when it feels so good we can't be wrong all we need is you I'm telling ya Then the world will know what we can do Strong will always rock Strong will survive Strong will always ride Strong will always.
[00:17:47] Speaker C: You heard it right, by the way.
[00:17:49] Speaker E: Holy.
[00:17:50] Speaker C: You do hear Nick, right?
[00:17:51] Speaker E: Holy shit. It sounded just like him.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Told you.
[00:17:55] Speaker E: I started to laugh as soon as it came on.
[00:17:57] Speaker C: I will admit I like the chorus better this time. I really didn't like it all the first time. Now I kind of liked it. Here's what is kind of annoying. I'm gonna kind of jump ahead because the lyrics are the same. When he says, all we need is you. And then he says, I'm telling ya. Then the world will know what we can do. You and do is what rhymes. And with the ya and then go to do. I know we bring this up sometimes and we know things don't have to rhyme, but when things rhyme and then you throw that weird thing, it just stands out.
[00:18:22] Speaker E: So, no, it sucks.
This is seventh grade. I'm writing lyrics. That's what this is. Nothing is good here. When the chorus is the music behind it is produced like shit.
[00:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah, the production's not that great.
[00:18:35] Speaker E: This. The Scorpions producer doing this. Oh, my God, it's horrible. I'll read the words, if you can call them that. We got the power and we got the will, and we will never seem to get uphill.
So we'll rock forever because we're feeling strong.
We'll feel so good. We can't be wrong. You know what it's like? It's like hiss if they had a stroke, because it wants to be the positive message, but it just sucks so bad.
[00:18:58] Speaker C: But it doesn't make sense either, though, right? We'll never get uphill. Isn't that kind of defeatist?
[00:19:03] Speaker E: I guess. Wow.
[00:19:04] Speaker D: I'm still trying to put myself together here. I don't know what I'm hearing. And these guys got signed, huh?
[00:19:08] Speaker E: Yes. Major label.
[00:19:10] Speaker D: Someone did someone a favor.
[00:19:12] Speaker E: They were signed to Geffen. No. Huh.
[00:19:14] Speaker D: Really?
[00:19:15] Speaker C: Huh. Just as a reference. Love At First Thing came out in 1984. Think about the sound of that album. Like Rock youk Like a Hurricane, Big City Nights. I feel like theater didn't put a lot of effort, at least not so far.
[00:19:26] Speaker E: You know what it is?
[00:19:27] Speaker C: I know what you're gonna say.
[00:19:28] Speaker E: He doesn't have anything to work with.
There's nothing to work with here. This is shit. I mean, I don't know what the rest of the song sound like. Tommy Thayer may save a little bit of this because it seems like the beginning solo and stuff was okay. And it sounds like he has the Ace Freely thing going on still here, so we'll see. All right, I don't want to keep pausing this, but here we go. Oh, let me back this up. All right, solo time.
[00:20:25] Speaker C: Best part of the song. I think I actually like that. I like the music. The solo was kind of in the background. I think that was kind of an issue. I do like the music behind it. I mean, to me, that's the best part of the song so far. What'd you think, Mark?
[00:20:37] Speaker E: You'll never hear me say this again. Tommy Thayer saves this song a little bit. He's the best part of this whole thing. Otherwise, it's just junk. His solo was good. Can hear all the Ace Fraley isms.
[00:20:47] Speaker C: I heard some of that.
[00:20:48] Speaker E: The unison Ben, things he's doing. And then he played that lick, and then he went.
I can see why they chose him to do this. Let's continue. We're almost done.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Will always rise with rock and roll.
[00:21:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that ending. I thought it was kind of fade But I kind of like that.
I mean, again, the chorus is fine. It's an 84 hair metal chorus, without a doubt.
[00:21:54] Speaker D: I have a funny feeling we're going to hear a lot of that.
[00:21:56] Speaker C: Yeah, a lot of Yang.
[00:22:02] Speaker D: No, this wasn't around there. You didn't hear the hu. Here. That came a little bit later on.
[00:22:06] Speaker C: It'll. It'll come, I'm sure, somewhere.
[00:22:08] Speaker E: Wow. That's all I can say.
This may get lower scores than the firm, and the firm is bad in a different way, but this is worse.
[00:22:17] Speaker D: The firm was disappointing. There's a difference between disappointing in this. Yes, the firm was disappointed. This is incomprehensible.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: You want me to go first?
[00:22:25] Speaker E: Oh, I want you to go first. Yes.
[00:22:27] Speaker C: God. The lyrics. I don't know if I'm not going to start with the lyrics because I don't know what to do with that music. I'll say four because I do like the beginning and I do like the solo. The chorus wasn't bad. I'd say four on the melody, I guess, because like I said, the chorus wasn't terrible. Arrangement. Technically, there's nothing really wrong with the arrangement. I'm gonna say five in the arrangement. Production. Four lyrics. I don't know if it's to give it a two or three. Could flip a coin.
I'll say three on the lyrics, I guess.
I don't know, man. I could give it a two. It doesn't matter. I mean, this wouldn't make a playlist no matter how I stack it. Who wants to go next? Mark, you want to go next? You want Frank to go Night?
[00:23:06] Speaker E: Let Frank go. I'm still thinking.
[00:23:08] Speaker C: Okay. What do you think, Frank?
[00:23:09] Speaker D: Lyrics. I'm gonna give a two. Melody. I'm with you there. It's not terrible. It's your classic melody. I'm gonna give that a 4. War. I like the guitar playing. Definitely do. What instrument was that in the very, very beginning? What is that at the point? Was that some sound effects?
[00:23:22] Speaker C: I mean, it could have been the drums with some really weird effect on it.
[00:23:25] Speaker D: I like that. I'm gonna give the music a four. The arrangements. I'll give it three in production. I'll give it three.
[00:23:31] Speaker E: Two on the lyrics. Four in the melody, four in the musicianship. Only four because his solo is okay. Arrangement. Yeah, it's fine. It's a five. Production. Four. It sucks.
[00:23:42] Speaker D: Knocks.
[00:23:42] Speaker E: It's bad production. There's nothing that's saving the production here. Wow. There's a reason why I never heard this thing.
Okay, the next Song is School of Hard Knocks. I'm sure we're gonna get more great lyrics out of this. Here we go.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: It's no problem. You got it down and you say nobody thinks you good enough.
You're shot down, you're out of bounds.
Oh, you're just another horse on a.
Hey, you, what are you waiting for?
When I get on your door?
From the school of hot knots Gonna bring you down. New hot shots from the school of hot knots we came to rock your.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: I think this is worse than the first one, honestly.
It sounds like he has a bit of an accent, right, when he sings.
[00:25:20] Speaker E: Yeah. I don't know.
[00:25:21] Speaker C: But, I mean, he's from Portland, so it isn't. And I watch Portlandia. Those people didn't have accents like this. It's forced.
[00:25:28] Speaker E: Everything's forced. The whole song is forced. I gotta say, the riff is not horrible. It's mixed so low that I don't even listening to.
[00:25:36] Speaker C: Listen, when we first started and I was like, 14, I forced myself to write certain lyrics. I don't know that ever. What it said will knock your socks off.
[00:25:44] Speaker E: It's bad. All right, let me read the lyrics and we can about this a little bit more. It's no prob. You've got it out and you say Nobody thinks you're good enough. You're shot down, you're out of bounds. Or you're just another horse on a merry go round. Hey, you, what are you waiting for? We're knocking on your door. Chorus from the school of hard knocks Gonna bring you down, you hot shots from the school of hard knocks we came to rock your socks off. It's just bad and not even good bad. I think girl school is good bad. And I don't like girl school. Girl school is like Led Zeppelin compared to this.
[00:26:17] Speaker C: Just to specify, you mean the song, Obviously not the band.
[00:26:20] Speaker E: Yeah, the song. This is really shitty. It's bad. Come on. The song's bad. The lyrics are bad. His vocals are not great whatsoever for the time frame. She mean to tell me there is Van Halen out at this time. And then there's this. There's a rat out at this time. Then there's this. There's docking out on this time. There's this.
[00:26:37] Speaker C: Well, there's Scorpions. Love it. First thing. Produced by the same person.
[00:26:40] Speaker E: And then there's this.
[00:26:41] Speaker C: How old they were this time?
[00:26:42] Speaker E: Got to be in their 20s. Maybe not.
[00:26:44] Speaker D: I kind of like the music a little bit more. The guitar, the bass. I like the bass playing. It feels a little bit Like a song that you would hear like in a B rated 80s movie.
[00:26:54] Speaker C: I was just going to say that.
I was going to say this song is all over up all night with Rhonda Shear and Gilbert Gottfried. I was going to say that before. So I'm glad you brought it up.
[00:27:04] Speaker D: Yeah, it's like one of those 80s B rated shenanigans where the ladies just go topless for no reason kind of a movie like that. That's what remind me of.
[00:27:14] Speaker E: Yeah, it sounds like music in a bad 80s movie.
[00:27:17] Speaker C: Heads up. The singer actually served as the lead singer of Warrant in Jamie Lane's absence until he came back.
[00:27:24] Speaker E: Boy, that had to be great.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: He actually recorded an album with them.
[00:27:27] Speaker E: I don't even know what to say about that.
[00:27:28] Speaker C: Holy moly. Yeah, he made an album with them. Born again.
[00:27:32] Speaker E: Okay, come on, let's continue this. This is painful. Here we go.
[00:27:43] Speaker B: And you can't help feeling like a sea of trout Ha.
You go crazy. You want us breath?
Well if you want so lazy I know you can't.
Hey you, what are you waiting for?
When I get on your door from the school of hot knots gonna bring you down New hot shots from the school of hot knots we came to rock your socks.
[00:28:36] Speaker C: I called it. I said this is gonna be a woo. And there it was.
I knew that was coming. And Mark, did you know that the singer also played Peter Chris in the Cold June cover band with Tommy Thayer? We are dropping knowledge in this episode.
[00:28:49] Speaker E: Man, that transition from the pre chorus to the chorus, you might as well just put a hatchet in the middle of that. Holy sucks so bad.
[00:28:56] Speaker C: It's like the needle skips.
[00:28:58] Speaker E: Yeah, it's really bad.
Verse two, there's no D out. You're all worked out and you can't help feeling like a sewer trout so horrible. You're going crazy you want to scream. If you weren't so lazy I know you'd get mean. And then all the rest of it's the same. Fortunately, I don't have to read very many lyrics here, but the ones I get to read though, they're doozies.
[00:29:21] Speaker C: I. I've never actually had sewer trout.
[00:29:23] Speaker D: Two things. Yeah, but first of all, I. I don't even know what that is. Secondly, does it really say huh? Haha. Yeah, it's a lyric. They actually wrote that. Haha.
[00:29:30] Speaker E: They wrote it out and he said it. Haha.
[00:29:32] Speaker D: Okay, but that's like when they say nobody writes that in.
[00:29:34] Speaker E: Well, whoever transcribed this wrote the haha.
[00:29:37] Speaker C: They were ahead of their time, man. No Prob. Ha ha.
[00:29:40] Speaker E: I know.
[00:29:40] Speaker C: Predicting texting.
[00:29:41] Speaker D: Sewer trout.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: Sewer trout, whatever that is served only at the finest restaurants.
[00:29:46] Speaker D: I'm going to bring that back. I'm going to be like, you know what you are? Sewer trout.
[00:29:50] Speaker E: You should start using that all day at work. That's what you should do.
[00:29:52] Speaker D: I'm definitely going to start using that. You know what? Next argue. I get into it. But, like, know what?
[00:29:56] Speaker C: You know, be even more up if you say it. And somebody's like, black and blue, baby. Yeah. And they give you one of those high fives.
[00:30:02] Speaker D: Oh, I wouldn't even know where to begin to say that, knowing my luck. All right. This is the kind of luck I have. I'll drop that line. And the dude behind me would have been part of Black and blue high fiving me. Be like, dude, you heard our. I'll be like, oh, yeah. Thanks.
[00:30:16] Speaker E: Here we go. Solo, I guess.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Sam from the school of hard knocks and big shots try to put us down but listen, man, they gotta learn how to ride from the school of hard knocks to bring you down. You hot shots from the school of hot knots we came to rock your socks on.
[00:32:00] Speaker C: I was liking that little solo bit. And they cut it off so quickly. I don't know why. I mean, that was. I was like, oh, I really like this part. And then kind of they did a little. The bass drum and the bass. And then they kind of went into this little other piece, which wasn't too bad. It kind of seems that there's a little bit of good stuff that these little bits that kind of happen. And if that was where they went or stayed most mostly, we'd kind of be having different conversations here. I don't know why they ended it that quickly. And again, the transition between that into that bass drum and bass thing was as jarring as the other thing.
[00:32:31] Speaker E: I don't know what to say about this. The guitar solo is the best part.
[00:32:35] Speaker D: I like that. Ace.
[00:32:36] Speaker C: Is he the only lead?
[00:32:37] Speaker E: Yes. I would think so.
[00:32:38] Speaker C: I'm not going first.
[00:32:40] Speaker E: I'll go first. 2. In the lyrics Kiss the melody about the same. I don't know if it's better than the same. 4. It's gonna need to be almost the same thing. 5. Rangers get a little hit. I think. 3. Because of those weird transitions and production still. 4. Overall just sucks. There's very little here to grab on to. And the things you can grab on to, they go away so quick that it just doesn't really matter. Frank.
[00:32:58] Speaker D: I like that solo with the bass going on. You can actually imagine the guy just doing some air humps as he's jamming. Then they brought in the drums and it was like a weird cut. And then it brought back the bass. It almost seemed like, oh, we screwed this up. Just leave it at kind of a thing they didn't want to clean. Other than that, I didn't. You know, the lyrics again, I'm gonna give it a two. The music, I'm gonna give that four. Arrangements of four. The melody, I'll give it three. Production, I'll give a four. Again, it's just one of those songs that reminds you of some kind of B rated 80s movie. Like a bunch of students in summer school and now they have to build a project that they plan to graduate out of summer school kind of a thing. And this song is playing in the background. And the school of hard knocks. Yeah, that's. Those are my squads. About you. You, sir.
[00:33:42] Speaker C: I'll say a four on production and a three on everything else. I could give it a two, but Sewer trout. I mean, come on. I'm gonna give that a three. That's.
[00:33:52] Speaker D: That's classic. I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna use. I'm bringing that back. Sewer trout.
[00:33:56] Speaker C: You have to think about that. Hey, can't help fe. Like a trout. No. A lake trout. No. River trout. No. Oh, sewer trout.
[00:34:03] Speaker E: I can say one thing. I think what he's trying to say is they're the rock guys coming into the school with all the preppy guys. Oh yeah, from the school of hard knocks. Gonn, you hot shots.
[00:34:15] Speaker C: If there's no music video for this, then you can imagine what it would be like. Without a doubt. Probably some high class party or whatever. Or some young preps. They're the entertainment. Or they kind of break in and become the entertainment. And who knows, maybe at the end they even convert them over.
[00:34:30] Speaker D: Well, in my high school, everybody either had a stairwell or a wing that they hung out.
The goth kids had their wing. The metalheads had their own staircase. The guidos took over the entire bottom floor next to their Mustangs.
[00:34:43] Speaker E: The next song is Auto last.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: Full speed ahead now you're never looking back.
Turn up your radio the music will attack just like a dinosaur. Get out of the way you got the got some energy throw them all away.
Turn it up, supersonic sound cloud it up rock it on the ground give out everything you ain't just pacify it's something you believe in. You are here to serve.
Autoplast, don't look bad.
Autoplast loud and Fast. Yeah.
[00:36:14] Speaker C: Technically, I think so far the best one. The verse isn't bad. The melody. I like the beginning. I don't like the pre chorus or the chorus. And I think honestly, with a little bit better production because it is thin, it would have more impact. I mean, especially when you got the double bass going. Think about Red Hot by MLE Crew. Simple kind of thing, but it's just so dirty and raw that it comes across better than this, I think. Again, I think so far the best, best one.
[00:36:37] Speaker E: 100% the best one so far. Is that saying very much in this whole situation? Not really, but at least it feels like it's put together arrangement wise, a little bit better. Not much you can say. There's some weird lyrics in here too. It's like, wow.
[00:36:49] Speaker D: By far the best one so far. And that's exactly what I thought Sav when it first came out. Red Hot. A more polished version of Red Hot.
[00:36:56] Speaker E: Like a lot worse version than Red Hot.
[00:36:58] Speaker D: Oh yeah. I didn't say a better version. Red Hot was just a raw sound and simple, but yet so good.
[00:37:03] Speaker E: This is almost too produced to the point where it's just not good produced.
[00:37:06] Speaker C: Yeah, it's very thin.
[00:37:07] Speaker E: Yeah, it's super thin.
[00:37:08] Speaker C: Bass is good. I hear the bass. I wasn't really paying attention to the bass in the other ones. Bass seems pretty good in this.
[00:37:13] Speaker E: He's doing a good job. At least in this one anyway. I couldn't hear him on the other stuff, so I don't know what he was doing. Okay. Lyrics. Verse 1 Full speed ahead now you're never looking back. Turn up your radio and the music will attack. Just like a dinosaur. Get out of the way. You've got the guts and the glory to blow them all away. What does that mean? Just like a dinosaur. Get out of the way.
[00:37:33] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Hour.
[00:37:34] Speaker E: Oh, okay.
Pre chorus. Turn it up. Supersonic sound. Drive it up. Rock it to the ground. Get out. Every day you ain't just having fun. It's something you believe in. You want to hit the sun. Auto blast, don't look back. Auto blast. Loud and fast. Yeah, it's just so cheesily bad.
[00:37:52] Speaker C: And I want to say too, like, the drumming hasn't been bad either, you know, he's not doing just standard things. Even in the first two songs. That hasn't been bad. I do want to kind of give him a shot. Shout out.
[00:38:01] Speaker E: Well, maybe that is the best part. Him and Tommy Thayer so far are probably the best two things, I would guess. Okay, here we go.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: Turn it up.
Power into the night Drive it up past the speed of light.
You got everything that your faith dethink you believe in the world is in Declare auto plan don't look bad Loud and fast it's all right man in his machines Cause he knows where he's going.
People sometimes do believe this world.
[00:39:34] Speaker C: It wasn't bad. I kind of like that. I thought the production was a little bit better on that part as well. And the bass player doing cool things. There's these little offshoot pieces that aren't terrible that become the best part of the song, which leads you to believe that there's a possibility here, that their songs could be better in terms of things that they write. And musicianship. I mean, the musicianship is not bad. I. I wanted to say this before. It almost sounds product to me. Whereas these other parts don't sound as product to you.
[00:39:59] Speaker E: To me, he's definitely the best song. At least it goes in some kind of direction. His vocals are better on here. Bass is good. Drums are good. I mean, I don't know how high. I'm going to give this as a rating as a song overall, but you're right. There are little pieces here and there. You're like, oh, they could just do more of this. It'd be better.
[00:40:11] Speaker C: Little snippets of things.
[00:40:13] Speaker D: A lot better. For sure. There is a song in here, like you said, a little overproduced, but a lot better than what we heard so far.
[00:40:19] Speaker E: Yeah, the other two were really bad. Bad. This least has some kind of potential of some sort. First two, out on the high way. Middle of the night. You're like a bullet with a pressure to ignite? Your radio is sending signals to your brain this ain't no child's play. No, it's not a game. Pre chorus. Turn it up £ into the night Drive it up past the speed of light. You've got everything at your fingertips it's something you believe in the world is in your grip. And then. Chorus. And then whatever this little post chorus bridge thing is. It's all right. Man in his machines because he knows where he's going. People sometimes do believe leave this world is turning just for you and Big Rock scream. And now we're going to get solo. So let's see what he does.
[00:41:25] Speaker C: What a waste of space. I don't understand that.
[00:41:27] Speaker E: No solo.
[00:41:28] Speaker C: No.
[00:41:29] Speaker E: That's so weird.
[00:41:29] Speaker C: It's just noises. What, did somebody leave the mic on in the studio and didn't tell them?
[00:41:34] Speaker E: Maybe.
[00:41:35] Speaker C: What the hell? This is a song that warrants A ripping solo. And at the end, he was kind of doing that little Van Halen thing. It sounded like kind of like, whatever. I don't understand because, I mean. And again, it's. Right now it sounds like it's going right back into the chorus.
[00:41:47] Speaker E: Yeah, that's what's going to happen.
[00:41:48] Speaker C: I don't get it. I really don't.
[00:41:49] Speaker E: It's a bad decision. All right, so let's finish it up. Here we go.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:19] Speaker C: I was waiting for it to end and.
[00:42:23] Speaker E: And see, there's that riff at the end. That wasn't bad. You're right. There's little pieces. And then you're like, why? Okay, who's going to go first?
[00:42:30] Speaker C: Well, Frank hasn't gone first yet, I don't think.
[00:42:32] Speaker D: Yeah, just more the same rankings for the lyrics to melody. You know, give that a 3. I like the music in this one. And it just shows you that this band can rock. They really can. It's just. There's something off. I don't know what it is yet. I'm going to give the musicianship on this one a six. Production. I'm going to give that a five. Any arrangement, I give a five. There's a good song in here. It just falls apart somewhere in the middle and just another letdown.
[00:42:57] Speaker C: So I'll say three on the lyrics. I will say a five on production. Actually, you know what? I'll just say five on everything else. So we'll do it the. That way. I think it's the best one. I could ding the fact that there was no solo, which doesn't make sense as far as the arrangement. But, I mean, I'll let it slide because I do think it's the best one so far. And I don't know what's coming. This is one where I'd almost go back to and say, hey, I like this once. Let me check it out again. Where's the first? So I probably wouldn't go back to Mark.
[00:43:24] Speaker E: I'm going to do four in the lyrics, five in the melody, five on the music, four in the arrangement. Because of no solo. That makes no sense in the song, and five on the production. It's the best song so far, so musician wise, I guess they can do more. Just the songwriting is really not that good. I think that's what holds everything really back. The next song is called hold on to 18, which I think I might have heard. This was an actual single.
[00:43:47] Speaker C: I have this record and I've tried listening to it, but I know this one. A lot of people have spoken about.
[00:43:51] Speaker E: So hold on to 18.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: Sam.
I got one small thing that's on my mind Am I half dead or ever doing fine? Well, there's no one thing I won't be forgotten I don't got nothing that I want a lot the money can't buy it I don't want to take talk don't want to be now forgotten Cuz I know what I need it's totally out of reach yeah, I know what I need But I don't know how to get it I want to stay y stay on to 18.
[00:45:24] Speaker C: I.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Know what I might be hold on they can't see what I say that.
[00:45:35] Speaker C: Intro solo was so Scorpions. He's crazy. Totally reminded me of them. I really don't like the melody in this one. And obviously they do have a formula. They got that verse, pre chorus, chorus thing going, which is school again, you know. They have their own little thing going, Man, I don't know.
[00:45:51] Speaker E: As soon as I heard it, I said, wow, did the Scorpions come on this record somewhere? Because it was so Scorpions. Which makes sense. It should sound a little Scorpionish.
[00:45:59] Speaker C: Same producer.
[00:46:00] Speaker E: I don't think they're as good musicians as the Scorpions are. But, you know, whatever. It's okay. I don't like the melody at all in anything in this chorus, pre chorus verse.
[00:46:08] Speaker D: Okay. He had the. The Scorpion and their influence for sure. Almost as good as the previous one, but not as great. But we'll see. Still early in the song.
[00:46:16] Speaker E: Here are the lyrics. I got one small thing that's on my mind Am I half dead or am I doing fine? Well, I know one thing I won't be forgotten I don't got nothing and I want a lot if money can't buy it I don't want to talk don't want to be long forgotten Pre chorus. Because I know what I need But I don't know how to get it it's totally out of reach yeah, I know what I need But I don't know how to get it I want to stay young Stay strong, strong Chorus. So hold on to 18 I know what I like, babe hold on to 18 they can't see what I see okay. Lyrics are just crap and crappy lyrics.
[00:46:50] Speaker D: Sounds a little pervy.
[00:46:51] Speaker E: Oh, it's pervy. Everything on this thing is pervy. That's why I think sewer trap probably means thinking about it now.
[00:46:58] Speaker C: You guys think it's pervy?
[00:47:00] Speaker E: Oh, yeah.
[00:47:00] Speaker C: I don't think that's where he's going with this. This he's just. It's kind of like I'm 18. I think that's kind of like the coming of age thing. That's why. What I get from this.
[00:47:08] Speaker E: Maybe let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's see. Let's continue. Here we go.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: I want me on my own now.
Cause I know what I need. I don't know how to get. It's totally out of reach.
Yeah, I know what I need But I don't know how to get me.
I know what I might be.
Hold on to 18.
They can't see what I say, no.
[00:48:28] Speaker C: We got the electronic drums and he did the ow again. The musicianship itself is not bad. I don't think they're bad musicians. I'm just not digging the songwriting. And I think even the little soloing that's going on underneath things sounds pretty good. Even that intro solo, those very scorpionish. I mean, it was still good. Who knows? Maybe they got better as they went along. I don't know. But this one is another math for me. Although I think the production is slightly better. I don't know, May. I don't know if it's just me.
[00:48:54] Speaker E: The guitar is still in the back. It's really mixed down low. Those little parts that he's doing, you can't even hear them, they're so low. I don't know if the production is getting any better. The beginning, you could hear it. But then somewhere in the middle, you don't hear it at all. And that's more songwriting than it is musicianship. I think it's just songwriting is bad. Lyrics are bad. Verse two is, I don't care about society. I don't care about responsibility. And I don't need no one out on my own. I won't grow old and I don't want to die. You say I'm too young but that's a dirty lie. I want to be on my own now see, that's so jammed together together. It just doesn't flow very well. Pre chorus is the same in chorus. And there was that little drum thing with the electronic drums. I don't know where that came from. It's those Simmons electronic drums. Okay, so let's do the solo. Is there going to be a solo this time? I assume so. All right, here we go. Come on, Tommy.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: That was it. What'd you think, Mark?
[00:50:02] Speaker E: I mean, that's the best part of the song, I gotta say. I'm not a big Tommy Thayer fan. Especially in Kiss. Here, he's one of the Better things that are going on. I don't know what else to say about that. It's fine.
[00:50:12] Speaker C: Very short, though. I kind of wish they would have given a little bit more. More room.
[00:50:15] Speaker E: Yeah. I don't know why not?
[00:50:16] Speaker C: Maybe they're like, oh, it's gonna be a single. Don't make the solo too long.
[00:50:19] Speaker E: Possibly. I mean, it makes sense. Okay, let's finish it up here. We.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Forgotten I don't got nothing in a wall and now I have my face.
[00:51:17] Speaker C: How long was that? That's a pretty short song.
[00:51:19] Speaker E: 4:12.
[00:51:20] Speaker C: Oh, see, it felt shorter than that, I think.
[00:51:23] Speaker E: I don't like the end. I don't know what that was. I don't like that at all.
[00:51:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't like that. 18. It's like the guy hit the tape before they finished.
[00:51:30] Speaker E: I'll go first. L lyrics 4. I guess they were just as good as the last one, I guess. Melody five. Musicianship five. Arrangement five. I guess Production five. It's five across. Besides the lyrics, I just don't know. Lyrics are not great. Some of them are jammed together so badly. That just messes the song up. You could have just worked on that a little bit. Or maybe this is the best they can do. I don't really know. There's a reason why this thing wasn't popular. Frank.
[00:51:57] Speaker D: Lyrics. I'm going to give a three on this one. Melody. I'll give a three. And then everything else follows. Lives. It's not terrible. It's just, you know, they're great musicians. You could actually hear the potential. It's just, again, they're just not living up here. Sad.
[00:52:11] Speaker C: I will say a five in the production and a four and everything else. I thought it was slightly better produced. I don't think it's something I would go back to.
[00:52:19] Speaker E: I haven't found anything on this that would go back to.
[00:52:21] Speaker C: If I was forced to. I'd go back to the one before this. Like if someone said, hey, you got to make a hair metal mixtape of, let's say, bands that people may or may not know. And you got to pick one from this so far I don't know coming. But if I had to pick, I picked the one before this one.
[00:52:35] Speaker E: I think I'd have to agree with that. Or at the end of the side, this is wicked.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Just on my back she's on attack Wake up this in my brain But I'm saying wake up Every time I turn around God. A toss in another clown My evil soul has got control Wake up bless When I get My sense that song don't Evil way burns my soul.
You're with that.
You got my life.
[00:53:59] Speaker C: So you're a young kid, you're into metal, and you get a song called Wicked. You're like, okay, I get to say wicked.
And this is it. You're like, I'm not saying this. I ain't singing this.
[00:54:10] Speaker E: It's bad.
[00:54:11] Speaker C: Production's bad, too. On this. It sounds really tinny. And I heard the first thing about pack and tack. I was like, oh, is this about a horse?
[00:54:19] Speaker E: Yeah. I started reading that and went, okay, what are we doing here?
[00:54:23] Speaker D: I'm speechless.
I have no idea what to say.
[00:54:26] Speaker E: Just when you thought they could be trying to pull it out. Nope.
[00:54:30] Speaker D: Another cake to the dune dunes.
[00:54:32] Speaker E: Oh, it's bad. I'll just read through this. I don't know what's a pre chorus. I don't know what's a verse anymore. I don't know what the is going on here. She sold my pack, she sold our attack.
Wicked bitch, she's in my brain. Am I insane? Wicked bitch. Every time I turn around Got across in another town even so. Is that your draw? Wicked bitch? When I get hot, she turns so cold. Your evil way burns my soul. You're a wicked bitch. Yeah, yeah, Wicked bitch. You got my life in the blade of a switch. You wicked bitch. Now my question is, they just wanted to put wicked bitch in as many places as possible so they could say it.
[00:55:10] Speaker C: That's like the crowd. You can hear the gang vocals.
[00:55:13] Speaker E: Wicked.
I would like to see a live version is to see if they actually do that. I'm almost positive you're right. Okay, here we go.
[00:55:38] Speaker B: Almost every night.
Just got to enter.
Tight a little bit.
Just got too tight.
When I get hot chips. That sound good.
You're evil way but my soul.
Wicked P.
Yeah, yeah, Wicked P.
[00:56:13] Speaker C: You.
[00:56:13] Speaker B: Got my life in the fl. Got the sw.
No. Wicked B.
You are Wicked B.
Yeah, yeah. Wicked bench, you got my alive.
[00:56:36] Speaker C: This is one album where pretty much every song go, let's get to the song. Let's skip everything else and get to the solo.
[00:56:42] Speaker E: I have to say, though, I think maybe the pre chorus is okay. That's probably maybe the only okay part of the song.
Rest of it is just crap.
So the next verse is. She never told her love was cold. Wicked. A single thought, your mind will rot. Wicked.
Problems almost every night she's got to wet her appetite. A little bite she's got to take. Ow. Wicked. And pre chorus and then choruses. And it's not Very much going on for the rest of this either.
[00:57:08] Speaker C: At least it's easier to read the lyrics.
[00:57:10] Speaker E: Seriously. Okay, Tommy. Th. Here we go.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: Sam.
[00:57:52] Speaker C: What'd you think of that, Mark?
[00:57:53] Speaker E: I thought that was pretty good. I think he did a good job.
[00:57:55] Speaker C: You think it's just him, though? It sounds like switching off.
[00:57:58] Speaker E: He's only lead guitar player. He's doing like what Ace freely does. Plays one part and then he played the second part. No, that's only him as far as I can tell. He did a good job there, like you said. Okay. Gets K pass the song. Where's the solo part?
[00:58:09] Speaker D: I like it a lot. That one. I mean, better than rehearsal far.
[00:58:13] Speaker E: Yeah, it doesn't take very much.
[00:58:14] Speaker D: It does not take very much. I'm not saying a lot, but if I had to make a selection, this would be right up.
[00:58:19] Speaker E: Yeah, I know. Let's finish it out. Here we go.
[00:58:44] Speaker B: Evil way bur no, we can't f.
We can't f.
Yeah, yeah. We can't fit dance.
You got my life in the FL Got the sweats.
[00:59:28] Speaker C: I actually like the way they did that ending. That could be my favorite part.
[00:59:31] Speaker E: I like the pre chorus and I like that part and the solo rest of the song. If we could leave the whole thing out, that would be nice. Why don't you go first?
[00:59:37] Speaker C: Do I have to? I don't know what to say. These lyrics, I mean, two or one.
I'll say two because I usually reserve zeros and ones for the she's only 15 stuff, but this is up there really bad. The rest of it, I'll say three. I'll say a four on arrangement and a four on production. Frank.
[00:59:56] Speaker D: Lyrics A three melody, a three, the music. I'm going to give a four arrangement of four, production of four. It's getting those scores when you start looking at from a holistic point all the other tracks that we listen to so far. I think that if we were to stack this against anything else, it'd be. Those scores would be a lot lower.
[01:00:11] Speaker E: Mark, I'm gonna do two in the lyrics, four on the melody. I'm gonna give music six only four get. His solo's pretty good. I think it's the best one he's done so far. So I like that. I gotta give him a little bit of props. Five on the arrangement and four in production. This has been a very underwhelming thing. The firm was bad, but the firm is disappointed. Disappointing because it could have been better.
[01:00:30] Speaker D: This.
[01:00:31] Speaker E: I don't have much expectation coming into this. I thought it wasn't going to be great. And I've been proven pretty right about that. Tommy Thayer's a good guitar player. Here, again, I'm not a big fan of him and Kiss, but in here, I think he's holding up whatever they can kind of do to make this be okay.
[01:00:44] Speaker C: I think this is disappointing too, though, in its own right, in the sense of, again, we've talked about these little snippets and the solos. The musicianship is not bad. I think it definitely suffers in the production. Production. I'm not crazy about his voice or his melodies, and I guess that's part of the deal. Who knows? I mean, maybe if the melodies were better, maybe it's not about necessarily the songwriting itself. It's kind of like the melodies that he's coming up with. That regard, it's kind of disappointing because I think that they can do better. The next one's produced by Bruce Fairbank, so if that ever comes up, I'm really curious to do a comparison. Not that the songwriter would necessarily be better, but you assume the production would be more involved. I think theater was like. Like, ah, I don't care about these men.
[01:01:23] Speaker E: They're not the Scorpions. Yeah, these guys. All right, Saf, why don't you do your thing?
[01:01:29] Speaker C: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast network. Again, like I always say, great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, you got Rush Rash, you got the Judas Priest podcast, you got Van Halen, Tom Petty, you name it, it's probably on there. So definitely check them out. And Mark, where can they find this on the Instagram Interwebs.
[01:01:46] Speaker E: Rock with that pod. All the social media. Rockwelletpodcast.com submit a new bets, buy some merch, look at the polls, do all that stuff. Put us on your auto, download so you get us every week and rate us 5 stars wherever you rate your podcast, because that helps us out. And next week, we get to finish this up. Maybe it gets better, maybe it doesn't. Second side is usually not better than the first. We will see you next week.
[01:02:06] Speaker C: Ciao, ciao.
[01:02:07] Speaker D: Have a great night, you sewer trouts.
[01:02:11] Speaker E: Later.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: It.
