Episode 71 - Stone Temple Pilots - Shangri-La Dee Da (Part 2)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You. [00:00:04] Speaker B: This is our musical reaction, breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now, on to the rock Roulette podcast. [00:00:49] Speaker A: You. [00:01:12] Speaker C: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette podcast. That's right, the pod Crazy Ass podcast that took over 1100 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And typically every other week we spin the wheel, she picks a record for us and we go through it side by side, song by song, and we rate it based on lyrics, music and production, again, just based on our own taste. We're not professionals here, again, whatever that means. Just a bunch of guys, longtime friends, that wanted to do a podcast and just have some fun with it. So tonight we are a trio. We have Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. [00:01:48] Speaker B: What's up, guys? [00:01:51] Speaker C: We have frank back. My name is Frank. [00:02:08] Speaker D: To be back. Hello, everybody. [00:02:11] Speaker C: And I'm sad. [00:02:12] Speaker D: Ciao, bunasera. [00:02:15] Speaker C: So last week, the wheel spun the fifth album by STP, which is shangri la di da. Not the easiest thing to say. And, I mean, I was definitely excited because, as I had mentioned, I kind of fell off from them after the third album. But again, at that point, I kind of hadn't been. Not that I wasn't listening to rock. I mean, I always listened to rock, but I guess more of the contemporary stuff had fallen away from a mean, in my opinion. This is definitely STP from the first two days, the first two albums, I definitely hear tones of, you know, I was very happy to get this. And Mark, I mean, you're pretty familiar with this, obviously, right? [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Did I tell you how I actually got into STP? [00:03:06] Speaker C: No. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Do you know the story, Frank? Do you know the story? [00:03:09] Speaker C: No. [00:03:10] Speaker D: I would like to hear it. [00:03:12] Speaker B: I forgot to tell it on last episode, but I was working in a restaurant when I was like 18, and for whatever reason, Tommy Matola used to come in there and he came in, I think, once by himself. You know who Tommy Matola is, right? [00:03:31] Speaker D: Of course. You have to live in a different planet if you don't know who he. [00:03:38] Speaker C: That's what he ever did. Right? [00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. But he came in one time, then he came in a second time with Mariah Carey, believe it or not, when she was young. Young. She was like 19. And he just asked me, hey, do you like music? I was like, yeah. He's like, all right, so next time I come in, I'm going to bring you some cds. And he brought me a whole crapload of cds. And in that pile of cds that he brought me was core. I think it was even before it was actually out. Yeah. Because I don't even think that was out yet. I don't even remember what else was in there, but I remember that core was in there. So it was basically, it was him that got me into SDP because he kind of gave it to me, which is, I guess, kind of cool story, I guess. It was a weird thing. [00:04:25] Speaker C: Well, I can add to your story. Oh, I, like, my mother in law went to school with. He was. [00:04:33] Speaker D: They. [00:04:33] Speaker C: They called him Tommy Motts. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Tommy Moss. [00:04:37] Speaker C: Yep. She went to school with him. [00:04:39] Speaker B: My wife told me Tommy Moss. [00:04:43] Speaker D: Wow. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Excuse me, but I think a modicum of gratitude would not be out of line here. [00:04:51] Speaker C: This is like six degrees of Tommy Matola. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's very weird. Now, if only Frank met Tommy Mattola, then we would all be frank. [00:05:00] Speaker C: Did you meet him or Mariah Carey? I mean, that's a connection. [00:05:03] Speaker D: Unfortunately, I can't share if I have or have not, because work related reasons, but. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's so funny. See, there you go. [00:05:14] Speaker C: Nice. There you go. STP has unified us even more as a group. [00:05:20] Speaker D: I will say that my first introduction to STP, so they came out. I think Core came out, what? 92? Right. Early 90? No, 90. No. Really? [00:05:33] Speaker B: I'm pretty positive. [00:05:34] Speaker D: Core came out in 90. [00:05:36] Speaker B: I think so. [00:05:37] Speaker D: I think it was 92. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Core came out in 92. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker D: There you go. It was 92, yeah. It had to be around there because, remember, something like this is the beginning of the grunge rise. So grunge Rise started around 91 and then it really picked up momentum around 92, but we really didn't come mainstream until 93. 94. So my first song that I heard from STP was off the crow soundtrack. Big empty. [00:06:08] Speaker B: Big empty, yeah. [00:06:09] Speaker D: And I really liked the song and I started listening to it and right around that same time, 94 is when we started hearing a lot of the grunge music that was released in 91. 92 come back in a way. So STP, because of that album, we started hearing a lot more STP on the radio and that's how I became an STP fan. [00:06:35] Speaker B: Wasn't 94, was purple. Right? [00:06:37] Speaker D: 94, I believe, was purple. Yeah. Purple came out in 94 on Purple. Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker C: I forgot that in that movie, actually. [00:06:47] Speaker D: But the Crow soundtrack came out before Big Purple. Before Purple. Yeah. [00:06:55] Speaker C: Right. Wood came out before the album came out because it was on the movie. [00:07:00] Speaker D: Yeah. One of the things that I love about 2024 is that we have a lot of great albums coming out that are going to turn 30 this year. A lot of great music. [00:07:15] Speaker B: Are you trying to depress us? Are you trying to depress us? [00:07:18] Speaker D: No, man, I'm trying to relive an era. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:25] Speaker D: But no, this year is going to be really good. So that was my introduction to STP, and I got the opportunity to see them six times live. [00:07:37] Speaker B: That's a lot of times. [00:07:40] Speaker D: Two times each. Two times with Scott Wyland, two times with Chad Pennington, and then two times with their new singer, jeff gut. [00:07:53] Speaker B: So do you like him with him? [00:07:59] Speaker D: The last time I saw them, they were playing a smaller venue up in Albany, New York. They were playing at this brewery outdoor event kind of a thing. And there were times that they sounded like STP, but I think for most of the show, they just sounded like a cover band doing STP. And it has to do a lot with Jeff, probably. [00:08:24] Speaker B: Maybe he's not Scott Wyland and he's not Chester Bennington, because kind of Chester Bennington sounds like. Whatever. How did he sound? Did he sound like Scott Wyland? No. I would assume. [00:08:37] Speaker D: Yeah, no, Chester Beddington sounded like Chester Beddington, but he brought a different dimension. It just sounded like. So when I saw them live the first time, it was out in New Jersey, it was out in the Starland ballroom. And this is one of their smaller. Certain artists like to do these smaller venues before they kick off the big tours. So this was like one of those situations, and hearing him sing, he just brought a different feel to a lot of those classic STP songs. He did not sound like Scott, but he wasn't terrible. It was just his own standalone way of doing it. It sounded good, it sounded genuine, but this time around with Jeff gut, it didn't sound so genuine. It just sounded more like a cover band. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I was luckily seeing with Scott Wiley in the last tour. I think that was their last tour, 2012. Right. [00:09:41] Speaker D: Let me just see. I think right around 2012, maybe 2013, I got to see them. So the first time I got to see them with Scott Weil is when they first got back together. And that was a tour that landed in Mohegan Sun, a casino up in Connecticut. And that was fantastic. And honestly, it sounded like they didn't miss a day together. They were so tight, so great. And the next time I saw them with Scott Wyland was a music festival that featured them. See their buck cherry, puddle of mud, which was hilarious. Listening to them live, and a couple of other bands. [00:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I was happy with them at Bethel woods. Although I told Savino last week, they pulled an axle rose. Well, he pulled an axle rose. They were like an hour late. Who did, STP or Scott? I don't know. [00:10:32] Speaker D: Scott Wyland, maybe. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure he was having. [00:10:37] Speaker D: You know, it was very unfortunate because he was such a great singer. A vocalist, he really was. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Has Savino ever told you that he's never heard Velvet revolver ever? [00:10:47] Speaker D: What? [00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah, we're hoping to get that record because he's never heard it. [00:10:53] Speaker C: How is that even possible? I have zero excuse for that, dude. [00:10:58] Speaker D: No, seriously, I need to seek to understand how is that even possible that you missed that? [00:11:07] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:11:10] Speaker D: It's like one of those super groups that you just have to be naturally curious about. [00:11:14] Speaker C: I have zero reason for it. Zero. [00:11:19] Speaker D: Wow, dude, even by accident, you heard their song. [00:11:24] Speaker C: Listen, if we ever get it, there could be stuff that I think maybe. I wasn't aware that, you know what I mean? But I mean, as far as saying, yeah, I've heard the album. No, I'm not kidding. It's like audio slave. I don't really know audio slave other than a couple of songs. [00:11:39] Speaker D: Oh, my. [00:11:40] Speaker C: And I figured I should know them better than. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Well, since we did a couple of their songs. At least one anyway. [00:11:47] Speaker C: We did one, but that was the first time I'd ever heard that song. I had never heard that song before. [00:11:52] Speaker D: Another great super group. Yeah, another great know at the mean Velvet revolver, in a way. Was Gnr just with Scott Wyland? Yeah, it was like. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Right, well, and just like audio slave is what rage against the machine with Chris Cornell. [00:12:14] Speaker D: Yeah, but they were good, too. [00:12:16] Speaker C: Then that kind of happened around the same time too, though, the two of those groups. [00:12:19] Speaker D: Yes, they were not too far apart, but they weren't exactly the same time. [00:12:26] Speaker B: It wasn't audio slave, more than mid two thousand s and started in the early two thousand s. Like two thousand. [00:12:33] Speaker D: It was kind of weird. [00:12:34] Speaker B: I forgot when that happened. [00:12:35] Speaker D: Yeah, me too. Me too. But it was right around there, though. They were very close. But two great super groups, honestly. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:46] Speaker C: Usually the first song I heard was sex type thing, which I'm not sure if it was their first single, but I really liked it. And then a friend said the whole album was really good, and he lent it to him. I was like, yeah, you're right. This is really good. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Oh, what core? [00:13:01] Speaker D: What core? Yeah, that entire album was good, actually. [00:13:06] Speaker C: I got it right before anything else hit. So, like, dead and bloated. I think it was before even creep was released. And plush. I want to say I knew those songs before they were released as singles. [00:13:23] Speaker B: What was the song that we did that we never played live? We said that last week. What was it again? [00:13:28] Speaker C: By Sl? Dead and bloated. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Dead and bloated? Yeah. I don't know why we never did that. [00:13:33] Speaker C: I just think we never got the chance, honestly. I think it was one of those practices that never we practiced without a gig, kind of. [00:13:42] Speaker D: I mean, you know, STP is one of those groups. When they had Scott Wyland, they sounded better live than recorded. There was just a certain element of rawness that they brought to their act. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he's one of those front guys that I don't think you can replace easily anyway. Well, I don't think they've done a great job. They got what they have now. I mean, the guy's okay. He can sing, but, like, you know, Scott Weiling. [00:14:09] Speaker D: Yes. [00:14:10] Speaker B: He was, um. You don't want a guy that is a copycat, but you also don't want somebody to sound so different that it doesn't make you sound like who you are. And unfortunately for Stonehengel pilots, they need his do about that. Well, it's the same thing with Alison chains. Right? They need Lane Staley's voice, even though the new guy's good. [00:14:31] Speaker C: Well, the new guy definitely sounds like there's a similarity. And Lane Staley, I don't think they kind of went a little bit. You know what I mean? It's not completely the same, but it's kind of the same. It's almost like, hey, if Lane Sailor kept singing, he might sound like this. Or this is what he sounded like back in the day day. [00:14:54] Speaker D: So I had an opportunity. I heart radio did a special event where they brought in Allison chains, and I had a chance to go and see them at this live event in the iHeartRadio studios. And they did an acoustic set where this is one of the first performances with William Deval. And there were certain songs that if you close your eyes, he sounded a little like Lainey Staley. He really did. There are certain songs, like, you can close your eyes, you can picture, like, oh, my. Wow. This is. And. But at the same know there were certain new songs where he identified himself as part of the new Alison chains kind of a, um. But very few front men can do that. And I have to say, wheeling deval is one of those few with certain songs where you just close your eyes and pretend for 1 minute, you hear. [00:15:55] Speaker C: I mean, I forgot what their first big hit was without him. [00:15:59] Speaker D: Who? [00:16:01] Speaker C: Alison chains. Like, that was pretty popular. [00:16:07] Speaker A: I'll find it. [00:16:08] Speaker B: I don't know. Have they had anything since he's been dead? [00:16:11] Speaker D: Oh, no. Because for me, blue was one of the ones that for me, was really their departure from who they were into who they are today. So to me, that one song, black is way to blue is like, I think one of the bigger hits. I don't know. [00:16:35] Speaker C: Check my brain. [00:16:36] Speaker D: Check your brain was the one. Okay. [00:16:38] Speaker C: Check my brain. [00:16:40] Speaker D: Okay. [00:16:42] Speaker C: But that song black gives way to blue. [00:16:45] Speaker D: So blackwave, to me, that song blackwood zay to blue is just great. If you never heard it, listen to it. [00:16:54] Speaker B: So what do we all think about the first side? I was re listening to it again. There's a lot more. Like, I noticed the bass a lot more when I relistened to it again. Bass has always been good, but yeah, it was really good. I'm very happy so far with the first side. [00:17:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely done. I think if you're a fan of them so far, it seems like you'll be a fan of this. Like I said, my only complaint was a couple of things where I liked the music, but I wasn't digging his melody, I wasn't digging what he was saying over the music. And once he kind of either switched to a different melody, like in a chorus or pre chorus or something, then it kind of. And some of the stuff grew on me as well. Like, come second time around, I'm like, okay, it's not as glaring where this melody is. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Yeah. When I was re listening to it before, I almost didn't notice that kind of stuff. So maybe it's just because I'm getting used to it again. Because I haven't heard it in a while. [00:18:02] Speaker C: Again, I always say this right? The way we do it here is sometimes it's better and sometimes it's worse. Sometimes it's better. Because you get to appreciate exactly what's going on in the moment. You get to kind of in the frame. Whatever piece that we listen to, we can listen to the drums, the bass, try to focus on everything. But sometimes it's worse because I think certain songs, they work better as a beginning to end, a straight through, you know what I mean? Once you break it up into the pieces, it kind of loses. Like, I know that we had one song last week where I said, this is a song where if I were in my room, lights out, playing this song, I'd let it play straight through. I would feel it, but kind of breaking it up, it was one of those we were talking about with the melody was a little. But I mean, overall, I don't really have any complaints. I mean, this is something I'd want to go back to and listen to again and see. [00:19:01] Speaker B: You'll be able to do that now since we got the album. Yes. I think we're all kind of staying away from listening to things we haven't listened to before. [00:19:09] Speaker C: Lord, dude. Yeah. I mean, for anybody, this has become kind of like a lifestyle in a sense, where I'm like, oh, I don't want to listen to this because this might come up and then it's not fresh and then it's very funny, Frank. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Do you find yourself doing that, too, not listening to stuff that you haven't listened to just because it might? [00:19:33] Speaker D: Sometimes I do one of the things that I enjoy doing. So I have a stack of vinyls that I started listening to a little bit at a time. And to your point, it's like, okay, I don't want to hear this in case it comes up along the way, but at the same time, I don't want to cheat myself out of the opportunity to hear it on vinyl and just enjoy it. Sometimes it is a struggle. [00:20:03] Speaker A: So. [00:20:03] Speaker D: I agree. [00:20:05] Speaker C: Speaking of vinyl, the needle just went on my record player. [00:20:10] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:20:11] Speaker C: So I have to get a new one. [00:20:13] Speaker B: They're not as cheap as they used to be. They're much more expensive. Yeah. [00:20:17] Speaker D: All of a sudden, the whole planet discovered vinyl. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Well, things you used to buy for $12 now are $30 or even less than twelve. [00:20:25] Speaker C: Well, my son has gotten into it, too, though, so he's been using. He's like, I'm sorry. It's not your fault. I found out that my record player is a collector's item. It's a japanese whatever. My dad bought it. I don't even know when. [00:20:41] Speaker D: What is it? [00:20:42] Speaker C: This thing has a good 40 years on it. The needle. Easily. Easily if not more so. It's lasted a long time, I have to say. My receiver is actually from Radio Shack and it goes up to 40. [00:20:58] Speaker B: It goes to eleven. [00:21:00] Speaker C: No, I know. I always think of that, like, well, mine goes to 40. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Sabino has a couple of records that he didn't realize were very sought after. What's the one, the big one that we said? Was it the county crows? [00:21:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I have the county crows second one on vinyl. Have purple. On vinyl. On a purple vinyl. [00:21:20] Speaker B: That's the original. [00:21:22] Speaker D: The original press. [00:21:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Right. I have the reissued. I try to find the originals when I can, but it's not easy to find 90s vinyl because there wasn't. [00:21:36] Speaker C: I mean, I have Pearl jam versus and vitalogy on vinyl. [00:21:40] Speaker D: I have. [00:21:40] Speaker C: That was worth something. Alison chains number. Alison chains three on vinyl. [00:21:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:21:47] Speaker C: What happened was when these things came out and I saw them on vinyl. Vinyl is my favorite form of listening to me. There's no. I mean, I'm not saying cds or cassettes are bad. I'm just saying I prefer vinyl. So when I saw that these things had come out on vinyl, I bought like, oh, hell yeah, I'll take it on vinyl. And it was made to listen to. I never thought about any collecting or. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Course not. [00:22:14] Speaker D: Of course know. So talking about vinyl and STP, supposedly there is an STP vinyl out there that's limited edition, hard to get, and that's their acoustic unplugged on MTV. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Probably all that stuff is hard. Anything in the 90s is hard to find. You don't find anything from the 90s. I'll go to the flea market and stuff that comes up by us and I always try to find stuff. I don't really see any. [00:22:46] Speaker D: Know where you need to go mark up in Newport. Newport's New York, near the suny up there. So you're going to find a lot of record albums. A lot of record stores up there. You find a lot of great stuff up in those record shoppings are though. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Problem with those things. Those guys know what they have, so it's not like back in the day, you're not going to get a deal. That's the problem. [00:23:10] Speaker D: Well, yeah, you're not going to get it for $5, right? [00:23:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you're not going to get it for $5. You're going to have to pay fucking 50 or 100. If you really want something. [00:23:19] Speaker D: You're a record collector. [00:23:21] Speaker B: I don't need a. [00:23:26] Speaker C: New paltz. [00:23:28] Speaker D: What happened? [00:23:29] Speaker C: I went to one of the record stores in Newport's when I went to go visit my friend Joe and I bought the second tiger tails on CD. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Tiger tails. [00:23:39] Speaker C: It's just funny that you said that because it was the only thing I found. I think I paid like two or $3 for. [00:23:46] Speaker D: And not only that, but you get these estate sales that sometimes you go up there in the Catskills area, the Hudson Valley area, and you do find some gems every now and again. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Well, that's what I mean. Well, that's when you're going to find the stuff. It's not going to be at the store where people sell records because they're going to know what they have. So if you're not looking to pay $100 for something because you just don't want to pay that, because it is kind of silly, because I can listen to anything now. It's not like I'm missing this, but. [00:24:16] Speaker D: No, but there are certain albums that you want on vinyl. You just need to have it on vinyl. Whether it's because you prefer the sound or for nostalgic reasons. There's just certain ones that you want to have on vinyl. And for that, I'll pay. Whatever it is, I'll pay for it just to have it. [00:24:40] Speaker B: Right. Well, whatever it is can be very misleading. [00:24:44] Speaker D: Yeah, I agree. I have some old classic. Like, one of the ones I have is the supremes in mono. Okay. And I found that in an estate sale with the original poster in there. Oh, yeah, I wasn't. I just found it. Whatever they wanted. $25. Okay. I paid $25. Good luck trying to find that for $25. [00:25:12] Speaker B: So I was telling before we go, too much rambling on this, but before we get started, but I know I told him that I was buying some of the kiss reissued stuff. I just happened to buy a copy of. They had a 40th anniversary dress to kill. Right. Well, wait, they were supposed to print x amount, but they only printed a couple of hundred. And I happened to have one. Do you know what that thing's worth? It's like $1,000. [00:25:41] Speaker D: Wait, Mark, didn't we see that in your house? [00:25:43] Speaker B: No. Well, no, all my original record. No, I have the original, though. This was a reissue that they were putting out. Like, I forgot how many years ago, not that long ago, whenever it turned 40 or 45 or something like that. Whatever. [00:25:57] Speaker D: Because you had a lot of the kids. [00:26:00] Speaker B: I had all of them. [00:26:00] Speaker D: No, I was going to say, I. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Remember kids records now that I had when I was a kid. And they're in better shape. [00:26:08] Speaker D: No, that's what I'm saying. So you're trying to tell me the reissue one is worth more than the one that you showed us when we were kids? [00:26:14] Speaker B: Yes, because they were supposed to print, like, three. I forget how many. A lot more. And they only printed a couple of hundred. So now that thing is ridiculously expensive because I've seen it for 700. I've seen it for 900. I paid $30 for it. [00:26:30] Speaker D: And you have the original bubble wrap because you still have the original from the. [00:26:36] Speaker B: Never opened it up. The reissue sealed in plastic because I have the original pressing. [00:26:44] Speaker D: Yeah, I was going to say, you. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Start the original thing. I don't care what it sounds like. It can't sound $1,000 good, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, but that's accident for all the records I buy. You know what I mean? Like that. Most of the time it doesn't end up that way. [00:27:06] Speaker D: Wow, good for you. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it doesn't happen. I have way too many records now. I started out just saying I was going to buy just these records, and now I have like four crates full and I'm running out of space and I don't know what to do anymore. I'm trying not to buy any more records. Yeah, I have too many. A lot of kiss Mark's going to. [00:27:27] Speaker C: Start djing on the third. [00:27:28] Speaker B: No, and I don't listen to him that much either, which is the worst part. [00:27:34] Speaker D: Well, you're not supposed to relisten to them. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Dude. There are some people who buy them and they don't even have record players. [00:27:43] Speaker D: Yeah. You know who that is? This guy right over here. I lost my entire stereo system along the way, but at some point I'm going to go ahead and get my vinyls back. [00:27:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's an expensive hobby. [00:28:01] Speaker D: More relaxing. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Everything new is $30. If you get lucky and you go around, you find the used stuff. You can find stuff for $12, $10. [00:28:12] Speaker D: There's nothing like listening to vinyl. Just like on a cold, snowy day, just chilling your house, just listening to vinyl. There's nothing more great than that. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Well, you may have a chance tomorrow. [00:28:23] Speaker D: I know New York is going to get some of the white stuff. [00:28:28] Speaker B: We shall see. [00:28:29] Speaker D: After 777 days of shit. [00:28:34] Speaker B: As long as you're not going nowhere, it's fine. [00:28:37] Speaker D: All right. To this album here. [00:28:45] Speaker B: All right, so the first song on this side is too cool, Queenie. Nice. [00:28:51] Speaker D: By the way, can we just talk about for a moment the producer, engineer, mixer, Brendan O'Brien. Yeah, so he is responsible for a lot of the, I think the STP catalog. Most of it, if not all of it. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Pretty much. [00:29:06] Speaker D: I don't think all of it. I'll say more than 75% of it, right. [00:29:10] Speaker B: At least up until this. And maybe then I forget. See me, it was the next one, too. Or was this the last one. This is the last one. He did the first five. I think he knows how to record them. That's what we were saying last week. [00:29:21] Speaker C: Yeah, we were saying last week, like he gave them a sound. [00:29:25] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Which is. [00:29:27] Speaker D: Yeah, it's not always easy. But he's also responsible for Pearl Jam. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, a lot of stuff. [00:29:32] Speaker D: He's also responsible for a lot of their catalog, Pearl Jam's catalog. And I think the big ones are black crows as well. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah, no, he's a great producer and he's done a great job on this thing of making them sound the way they're supposed to sound. Like we said, he knows how to record them. He knows how to record their music and their vocals to make it sound the right way. [00:29:54] Speaker D: Yeah. So kudos to him. I mean, I like him. I'm a fan of his. [00:30:00] Speaker B: All right, so here we go. Too cool. Queenie. [00:30:25] Speaker A: Not long ago, as a matter of fact, I think she knew she could do around just singing the sound that we all knew she would always crack. It was just a friend. It. [00:31:07] Speaker B: A lot of 60s going on in that. [00:31:10] Speaker C: Yeah. A lot of Beatles and. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah, the Flange. [00:31:13] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, this album was very popular for that. A lot of psychedelic, retro, throwback kind of sound mixed in with acoustics as well, which, by the way, I think that STP sound is one of those bands that do acoustic really, really well. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I like the acoustic stuff. All right, let's hear a little bit more and then I'll do some lyrics. This is not a lot of stuff. So. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Bad and wasn't that bad stayed in the world she had it good do know why? So we took his life, his story she would always crash it was a surprise it was for her it's okay cause what goes around comes around it's alright cause what goes around comes around. [00:32:48] Speaker B: All right, before we get into the solo, what are we thinking? So we know how you like that you like the melodies better. [00:32:55] Speaker C: It's growing on me. Like, at first I was like, yeah, but I mean, come like the second part of it, I'm like, yeah, I'm digging it. And it's funny because I was like, oh, I wonder what this is about. I mean, it's blatantly obvious even if you don't read what it's about. [00:33:09] Speaker B: What is it blatantly obvious about? [00:33:11] Speaker C: Tell me, Courtney love. [00:33:13] Speaker B: You think that's what it is? [00:33:15] Speaker C: That's what it. I mean, I think so. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And you know what? [00:33:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, listen to it. [00:33:20] Speaker B: All right, so. So here are the lyrics. There was this girl who lived not too long ago as a matter of fact, I think she lives still she knew she could do no wrong just singing those songs that we all knew she would always crash the party it was no surprise it was for her too cool queenie and then next verse is, there was a boy he played in a rock and roll band and he wasn't half bad at saving the world she said he could do no right so she took his life his story is true I didn't even think about that. Of course. And then the bridge. It's okay because what goes around comes around it's all right because what goes around comes around yeah, I'm pretty positive that's what that is about now. [00:34:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:01] Speaker C: I mean. [00:34:05] Speaker B: I didn't even know they wrote a song about this. [00:34:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I read that before. And then now kind of following along to what he was saying, it says, this song has been confirmed, that it is about Courtney Love. Scott Weiland claims it's a fanciful version of love and Cobain's relationship, but it does seem to delve into the conspiracy theory that Courtney was a major player in Kurt's passing. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:37] Speaker C: So if we ever get Steve on. Steve has some strong opinions about that as well, because Nirvana is one of his favorite. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Well, hopefully. Hopefully we don't get Nirvana when he's out, because you're not going to be a happy guy. [00:34:50] Speaker C: We'll just wake his ass up. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much. [00:34:55] Speaker D: I wish you had a phone we can call out on the air. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Hey, Steve. [00:35:01] Speaker D: Yeah, like the bad phone. Hey, Steve, just get a curiosity. Wake up. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Steve, are you there. [00:35:12] Speaker C: Channeling Steve? [00:35:17] Speaker B: All right, so what are we thinking of the music? I like the bass line. I like all the chords. I like everything. It sounds pretty good. And the vocals are good, as usual. [00:35:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, like I said, I was kind of, like iffy in the beginning, but it's growing on me. I like that weird little with the drums and that was cool. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it a lot, but. [00:35:42] Speaker C: It'S kind of like it reminds you a little bit of day in the life, the way they're using the effects and everything. [00:35:52] Speaker B: It's very 60s psychedelic to me. [00:35:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:56] Speaker B: All right, let's hear solo. Here we go. Yeah, it's a great solo, too. Perfect for the song. Not too short. [00:36:28] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the kind of solo where. And you're in the studio and he starts playing without the wawa, and you're like, you better cut that out right now. Mr. And put some wawa. This song needs that. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's very good. And like I said, I appreciate him as guitar player. I always have. I think he does interesting stuff, uses interesting chords, layers things very well. I like Dean de Lew a lot. Okay, let's back it up. And it's a good start for the first side, for the second side so far. [00:36:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Digging it. [00:37:05] Speaker A: And now it's girl. Yes, you got real famous and she made lots of money and some of it too can do. No, just play those song. She's all too cool. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. I wasn't thinking it was going to be like that. I like it a lot. I forgot that he wrote a song about this. It's been a while. [00:37:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:42] Speaker B: So, Frankie, why don't you go first since you're starting this week out. [00:37:46] Speaker D: Oh, man. Great song. Really enjoyed it. And as you listen to it. And again, I hate to bring this up, but it's going to be 30 years this coming April that Kurt Cobain, we lost him. Right. So this song really plays a lot into my whole reflection of that era. So I really like the lyrics. I thought it was great. So I'm going to give the lyrics a nine. As far as the music part of it. Listen, the Deleo brothers are great. They do a great job of the bass and the guitar, everything about it. They just know how to replicate that sound, bring it back to modern era. So I'm going to give that an eight as well, actually. A nine. And the production, I'm going to give it a nine. I mean, it's just really great. I think everything is well balanced and just pops the way it needs to at the right time. Sav. [00:38:59] Speaker C: So I think I'm going to go triple eight on this one. I like the, you know, not completely on the nose, but on the nose enough where you're like, yeah, I know what that is. Even if he doesn't say what it is. Yeah, that's what it is kind of thing. I mean, the music was really cool. Obviously, it's a throwback. It's got the Beatlesque and the little bit of the psychedelic thing going. The solo was really good. It was short, too. So in and out, which is cool. And I mean, production, obviously, he gets them. He knows how to make them sound, which is great. And again, not too many bands. I think you can kind of hear this song without Scott Wildland singing and at least say to yourself, even if you didn't know and say, this sounds like STP just based on the production, which I think is great to give a band to be able to give a band their own sound. Mark. [00:39:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I'm going to do eights across the board, too. I like the lyrics. I totally forgot that he had written this. It's kind of weird for him to write a song like this, right? It's just kind of interesting that I didn't know that he had such strong feelings about this. Whether maybe he doesn't like her. I don't know what that relationship is like. Or if they even have any kind of relationship of any kind. Music. [00:40:22] Speaker C: A lot of these guys were friends, though, probably you don't hear. At least not that I know of. I could be wrong, but at least, if nothing else in this genre, these people, like the Seattle people, really felt. I think there was a camaraderie about them. That wasn't necessarily the case in other types of music. [00:40:46] Speaker D: I don't mean. Okay, so first and foremost, I want to just say so me giving triple nines is. Because I'm a little bit biased. STP, is that what you guys saying? [00:40:55] Speaker B: No. You could easily go triple nine on that. [00:41:02] Speaker C: I thought it was really good. I gave nines on the first side. So based on me giving nine to, I think with core, I'd given nine. Not core, a coma. Sorry. I'd given nine too. So, I mean, I like that one better. So again, you have to gauge it sometimes based on what you've given other things as well. So that comes into play. [00:41:26] Speaker D: And as far as the commodity part of that you guys are mentioning. I guess there's this kind of brotherhood coming up with the Seattle sound. But eventually mixed in with the whole metal sound of the early ninety s. And so all these groups at some point met each other or hung out with each other. Or know someone who knows that other person. And that's evident in these super groups that we talked about, uh, Velvet revolver being one of them, right? So we have Scott Wyland joining the GNR band, basically. And being part of that whole group and things like that. So everyone, I think, just kind of knew each other. And hung out with each other at some point during this time. [00:42:16] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I like the music a lot. I like the bass playing a lot. I like the guitar playing a lot. The guitar solo is perfect for the song. Short and sweet. Gets the point. Then in production again, eight. Because Brendan O'Brien knows how to produce them. I don't think I've given. Did I even give anything less than an eight anywhere here? I don't even think so. I think I've given an eight all the way through this whole thing for production, I may have given them seven. Yeah, I see one or two? [00:42:43] Speaker C: Seven. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Generally. It's eight, though. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:47] Speaker B: So it shows you how good it is. [00:42:50] Speaker C: All right, again, he gave him a sound, which I like. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Yes, and you're right. If you take the vocals away, you still know it's stone temple pilots. All right, so the next song is regeneration. [00:43:05] Speaker C: Maybe it's about Doctor who. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Go you tighter from the Sunday. Forget the story that nobody on your head they think of you right away, right away right away right away right away, right away. [00:44:30] Speaker C: I like the verse. I'm not digging the chorus. But again, it isn't something that may not grow me the second time around. It actually reminds me of jane's addiction. I can almost hear perry pharrell singing that. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:47] Speaker C: Maybe more porno for pyros, I guess I would say. Kind of like what he did there. I would say, yeah. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Once I heard the chorus, I'm like, oh, I remember this song now. I didn't remember it from the verse, but as soon as the chorus came, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember listening to this. [00:45:05] Speaker C: I like the riff. I like the melody. I really like the verse. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. Who knows? It's one of those things that might grow on you as the longer it goes through. What'd you think, frank? I don't know why I'm asking you. I know. You like I hate. [00:45:28] Speaker D: No, you really do like it. A know, sav, I never thought about that, but I could see this easily being a jane's addiction kind of. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Mean. Like I said, a little bit more of what he did with porno for pyros, in terms of the echoing and the weird. But even though I wasn't crazy about the chorus, I like the vibe of it, if that makes sense. There's a very cool vibe. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's the way that they're playing the music behind that, I think that really kind of does that. And the beat is very driving, and the bass playing is really in your face, too. And he doesn't stay just on the root of the chord like he's moving all over the place, which I kind of like. All right, so the verse is regenerate the impoverished souls that echo you bleed to feed the masses soup line. Two times two they got your picture from the Sunday plane dealer that listed you dead forget the story there's a bounty on your head they fingered you and then the course is right away, right away green light, get a move on right away right of way stop sign put the brakes on right away, right away green light, get a move on. Right of way, right of way. Stop sign. Put the brakes on. Positive cell regeneration. Are they saying what this thing is about anywhere? Even looked? [00:46:53] Speaker C: I'm looking it up. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to continue because I'm kind of curious. [00:46:56] Speaker C: I mean, I do. I like the lyrics. [00:46:59] Speaker B: I know you're going to like. Well, his lyrics are pretty good, I think, in. So. [00:47:02] Speaker C: Yeah, he's another one, right? He's almost like. I mean, I know we talk about, like, David Lee Roth and the weird shit that. Some of the weird stuff that he. But obviously, Scott Wylin is not a four four. Let's say, lyricist. You know what I mean? [00:47:16] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. You look that up, and I will continue. Here we go. [00:47:34] Speaker A: They offer us another water down truth that winter cause you're already dead they lifted you right away right away right away right away I run away right away right away right away to the fields where I follow to the fields where master might go to the fields where we all follow to the fields where men follow to the fields where. [00:48:39] Speaker B: We all follow now, before this, I don't know what they're going to do there, but I forget. But that's a weird little part, too. [00:48:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:51] Speaker B: But doesn't that part remind you a little bit of rage against the machine? A little bit. Just the way. It's not exactly the sound of it, but the way the stuff is broken up. It's weird. I don't think this is typical STP to me. This is. I'm pushing the boundaries of what they do a little bit. [00:49:13] Speaker C: Even though they're keeping though. You know what I mean? It's still them, which is. It's interesting. I mean, clearly, it's a very interesting song. [00:49:25] Speaker B: Well, I'm glad they're allowed to get away with doing that. [00:49:27] Speaker C: Right. [00:49:27] Speaker B: And they're not stuck doing the same thing over and over. [00:49:32] Speaker C: Because it's like them, but it's kind of like pushing the borders of them. [00:49:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So the verse is, celebrate the immortal youth that wasted you peel the skin back from all the lies that blistered you they hold for ransom all the watered down truths that splintered your faith to tell your soul because you're already dead they listed you and then it's the right of way again and then the bridge is to the fields where the lesser mice where lesser mice go to the fields where men follow he does that three times, and then it's to the fields where lesser mice go to the fields where we all follow so is this like a war thing right there where men follow and then we all follow? I don't know. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Supposedly it is about how the media will always claim that a rock star well known for drug abuse is dead when it's far from it, so they can just get noticed. I mean, I read somebody else that had said that. It's kind of about that, too. He would know about famous people in drug abuse because it is called regeneration. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah, if I don't remember what they did after this. So let's see. I'm back. [00:50:56] Speaker C: Scott said there was a celebrity death pool prediction that he would die soon. This was after a second masterpiece. He also had a very bad od in the late 90s. [00:51:08] Speaker B: That's not surprising either. [00:51:10] Speaker C: I guess there's a lot of. I mean, it seems like the general consensus is about kind of like drug. [00:51:18] Speaker B: Abuse and he writes what he knows. Right? [00:51:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:25] Speaker B: All right, here we go. [00:52:09] Speaker A: It. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Now. It's kind of funny. I think I heard that melody that he was playing in the court in the solo. Some other place on this record could be. I think he kind of called back on something he had did prior. I don't remember what song it is because I just don't remember what song it is. But it sounded like something that was very similar. It was an interesting little part. I mean, it wasn't a big solo part by any stretch of the imagination. [00:52:38] Speaker C: No, but it was good, though. I mean. [00:52:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:40] Speaker C: Again, in and out, but it fits the song. [00:52:45] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's great. I like it. It's enough them, but enough. Not them. It's them putting a little tweak on. Yeah, that's good. [00:52:55] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. [00:53:28] Speaker B: I knew it was going to end that way. [00:53:30] Speaker C: It's funny, when he was saying stop sign, I kept hearing Scott sign. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Scott sign. [00:53:37] Speaker C: It was so weird. I kept hearing that. [00:53:39] Speaker B: See, that's the part where it sounds, like peripheral, I think, in the. [00:53:43] Speaker C: Yeah, the chorus right away, straight out. [00:53:45] Speaker B: Of that green light thing. That sounds like him a little. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:48] Speaker C: I mean, if he would have been background vocals on that, it would have just really. It grew on me. I mean, it really did. [00:54:02] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not like a regular, very catchy chorus, but it's just the way it's put together. [00:54:11] Speaker C: It fits the song so well. Yeah, it's kind of like exactly where it should go. Like, once you hear it again. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Yeah. You're like, oh, this is not as bad as this. I thought it was. Why don't you go first, then? [00:54:26] Speaker C: This is hard then, because I'm going to say nine on the lyrics. I think they're really good. I mean, some of the lines are probably, I think, some of the best stuff he's ever written. I mean, celebrate the immortal youth that wasted you. Some other stuff in there. I was like, damn, I'm going to say nine on the music, too. I just think it was really interesting. And then they held it together, and again, the course didn't sit with me. I was kind of disappointed where it went. But then, like I said, it shouldn't have gone anywhere else, but there. I'm going to nine on the production on this one again, because it was a little bit out there, but they held it together. So, yeah, I'm going to go triple nine on this one, Frank. [00:55:25] Speaker D: I mean, you know, there's a reason why STP is one of my favorite bands of all times, and this is one of those songs, so I'm going to give it a nine across the board. The lyrics are spot on. They're just very relatable to the band. The music know. Again, the delays never disappoint with the music and the delivery and the production. Listen, you know, Brendan O'Brien, he produced a lot of great bands during that time, so it's no surprise that this, right now, this song is so polished, so well sounding, so overall, you can relate it to other bands, because he captured that sound perfectly. So I'm going to give that a nine as well. Mark? [00:56:17] Speaker B: Well, I don't know if I can do nines across the board, just because I would have to compare this to other STP songs for me. And I think there are better STP songs than this. Not that I don't like this. I just don't know if I can go nines across there, because there would be other songs that I would consider nines. I'm going to say lyrics. Nine, because I think the lyrics are very good. There's a lot of symbolism. There's a lot of things like, even the one you said. What was the one that you said? [00:56:44] Speaker C: Celebrate the immortal. [00:56:50] Speaker B: It's a great line, so I'm going to give that a nine. I mean, it's not going to be far off from you guys. Musicianship. I'm going to give an eight because I think it's really good. I wish the solo would have been a little bit longer. I worked itself out a little bit more instead of just, like, having those couple of lines. I found it interesting that he called back to something he did prior. I'm pretty positive. And it was slide guitar, which is, you don't really hear that and rock that off, especially at this time. He does a lot of that. And, yeah, I'm going to give production an eight. I think he does a great job. Again, there's nothing wrong with the production. If I have to compare it to other STP stuff, I don't know if I can do nine there. [00:57:34] Speaker D: When you compare it to other works. [00:57:38] Speaker B: It would be hard for me to. [00:57:39] Speaker C: Give this. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Stuff on core and the stuff on purple that I think are better songs. [00:57:49] Speaker D: And remember something, Dean is not a very long solo guitarist. [00:57:55] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying in this case, I would rather have been a little bit longer. I don't care that his things are short because most of the time he plays for the song and it fits exactly the way it has to. Yeah, I'm not saying anything about that. I wish it was a little bit longer. Like maybe a couple of bars more longer, not like stretched out, but I thought it could have been a little bit longer than it was. But I liked it. [00:58:19] Speaker C: We said the same thing about a song on the first side, right? Didn't we say that, like, we could have used four more bars in the song? [00:58:24] Speaker B: This was even weirder because it kind of, like, just stopped and then they went to something. [00:58:31] Speaker D: To me, that's his style. [00:58:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, listen, I'm not saying I obviously like them a lot. They're probably my favorite band that came out of the 90s, pretty much. Really? [00:58:43] Speaker A: Wow. [00:58:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:45] Speaker D: That's a bold statement. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I like them better than nirvana. I like them better than Soundgarden. I like them better than most of the stuff that was out then. Really? [00:58:54] Speaker C: I probably agree with that. [00:58:55] Speaker B: I just think, you know why? Because they're never really stuck in a box. They're able to do a song like plush, which is really, like, acousticy kind of like that, and then they can do sex type thing, and then they can do dead and bloated. Then they could do name every other song on every other record where they're allowed to do things just like this song. This is not typical. I don't think this is typical. I think that they're adding things into their style that they normally don't do, which I kind of like. I'm happy that they're able to, as a band, decide, we're going to do this and it's still going to sound like us, but we're just going to throw enough of it in there where it's not exactly what we do all the, you know. [00:59:36] Speaker D: Hey, listen, in my opinion, one of the big reasons they were able to zig and Zach through those different sounds is because of their former able to his singing, his vocals were able to adapt to those different types of styles. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's that fort seamless way when you find those guys that just do it together and there's no one else you could say that about, like early guns n'Roses and like, you know what, it's just when you find those guys that do that, it just works. [01:00:13] Speaker D: I don't know about the guns and roses part of it. [01:00:17] Speaker C: Remember, they suck. [01:00:23] Speaker D: But. All right, you know what? Let's just leave this there. This is one of those topics. Okay, bro, but I'm just going to say that Scott Wyland, his vocals is one of those ones that's so know, I don't mean. He did put out a Chris's album that sounds amazing. [01:00:44] Speaker B: I never heard that. I never heard it. [01:00:48] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, no, he sounds great on it. Right. But when you have someone who's a vocalist who's so diverse in the range and delivering the message and the music, it gives the rest of the band that liberty to be creative because they have a frontman that can adapt to that. You know, you have the delayos that have a great range of creativity, and the former frontman that was able to deliver that is amazing. [01:01:16] Speaker C: I think that just following up, like, what Mark said and what to me makes him stand out is that some of the 90s bands didn't. By 90s, again, let's call this a grunge genre. Whether or not we're just lumping this stuff together, let's say, because that's kind of like how even though I think that each one had kind of their unique sound, I felt that STP could do heavier and they can do mellow, whereas some of the other bands kind of like Soundgarden, I'm not a fan of their mellow stuff, like black hole sun and fell on black days is okay, but I like them heavier. I think they're better heavier. Like Alice in Chains could do heavy and mellow. When you think of, like, down in a hole and their acoustic album, it flowed. Whereas some of the other bands, I don't know, even Nirvana, like their mellow stuff, I think they were better heavier where these guys, they could do both. So I think that's kind of what made them and credit the musicianship and. Yeah, I mean, obviously, if the singer doesn't sound good singing it, then it's not going to work either. It kind of all has to come together. [01:02:26] Speaker D: It's kind of like meat puppets, you're not going to appreciate me. Puppets, mellow necessarily, but STP, mellow acoustic version you can appreciate. Well, they can, by the way, they. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Can do anything, even if the metal doesn't even have to be acoustic. [01:02:47] Speaker D: No, but I will say this, that Chris Cornell, what amazes me is that Chris Cornell, outside of Soundgarden and audio, save him by himself acoustic was amazing. I had the opportunity to see him an acoustic version. Amazing. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, he has a great voice. [01:03:06] Speaker C: But that's what I'm saying though, too, right? It's not. Sometimes it's not just a singer because Chris Cornell could do. And I mean, honestly, I love the song that we did by audio slave, which was mellow, but that worked like a stone. Like that worked to me. And maybe again, credit Tom Morello or however that song came together and whoever wrote it to me that worked. Whereas some of the stuff that Soundgarden that was mellow just for me personally, didn't work as well. Whereas their heavy stuff. I mean, they could write a heavy song, man, and be amazing. They have some really good songs, but that's why I think SCP can do like core has plush, it has creep, these really mellow, kind of laid back songs. But then they also have sex type thing, dead and bloated. But it kind of all works because they can write both and have it. [01:04:03] Speaker D: Sound good and the front man can deliver. [01:04:06] Speaker C: Yes. [01:04:09] Speaker B: It's all those guys together when they play together, whatever it is, it just does what it does. And that's why probably when you see the new guy with them, it's not the same. [01:04:20] Speaker D: Honestly speaking, some of the songs just felt is like when I saw them in Albany two years ago, it just felt like a cover band. [01:04:30] Speaker B: It's like, well, this is what we're supposed to sound like, right? So this is what we're going to do as opposed to probably Scott Wyland didn't think that way. He didn't think about what he was supposed to sound like. He just wrote songs. [01:04:40] Speaker D: However they came the first time I saw them where when Scott Wyland first came back, it sounded like they did not skip a minute together. It was so tight. It was so great. [01:04:52] Speaker B: They just sounded has that he has that ability because Sabino hasn't seen it. But it's a documentary about velvet revolver. Have you ever seen that, Frank? It's on. [01:05:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And they couldn't find anybody on was he almost missed, like the showcase, but he came in and he knocked it out of the park even though he was late yeah. [01:05:13] Speaker D: No. Scott Wyland just had certain kind of front men that no matter how much they fuck up, people love them. People love them. And Scott Weiland was one of those guys that people just love him. [01:05:29] Speaker C: He has a charismatic voice. You know what I mean? [01:05:31] Speaker D: He has a certain gravitas, right. That people just. You're pissed off, but once he hits the stage, you're like, okay, whatever, bro. I got to see him. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:43] Speaker C: Well, I can tell you the frontmen were good. [01:05:47] Speaker B: I wasn't the happiest camper when they made me wait an hour, but once they got out there, I was like, okay, it's all good now. [01:05:54] Speaker D: So I'm lucky, because he showed up on time every show, the two shows I saw, he showed up on time. [01:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Not mine. Oh, I'm sure he was there. [01:06:03] Speaker C: I saw them years apart. Right? [01:06:06] Speaker D: When did you see them twice, Scott Wyland? When they first got together. This is their first year together touring. So what? That was 2013? I don't remember. I need to go through my ticket. [01:06:26] Speaker C: You saw them on the same tour or. No. [01:06:30] Speaker D: I need to look through my ticket. [01:06:31] Speaker C: He saw them earlier. That's why I thought he. [01:06:33] Speaker D: No, I saw them when they first got together again. That's the first time. And they were, like, literally. So the show that I caught was early on in their tour, and they sounded like they've been playing for, like, decades together. So tight, so great and amazing. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Mine was really good, too. [01:06:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:51] Speaker D: And then I saw them about maybe a year, maybe two years later again in that music festival again. I need to look through my ticket stubs to see which one. For those who remember ticket stubs, physical ticket stubs. [01:07:08] Speaker C: I kept all mine. [01:07:10] Speaker D: Me too. And when they came on stage, they were just so tight. Just. Man, they were just mesmerizing, watching them out there. [01:07:21] Speaker B: They were really good. When I saw them, too, I totally forgot that he made me sit there for an hour. [01:07:28] Speaker D: Yeah, right. You're like. You're pissed. Like I said, he showed up on time for me, but when he hit the stage, that two hour shelf felt like 10 minutes because they were so tight, so good, and so delivering. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah, no, they were really good. I'm glad I got to see them with him. All right, so the next song is bipolar bear. That's a funny name. [01:07:54] Speaker D: I love that. I like that. [01:07:55] Speaker B: Space bear. [01:07:57] Speaker D: It makes me sound like cocaine bear. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Cocaine bear. [01:08:00] Speaker D: Did you see that movie cocaine? We need to see that. [01:08:05] Speaker C: Okay. It was disappointing. I wanted a little bit more violence in that movie. I think that's what? [01:08:11] Speaker D: I. [01:08:15] Speaker C: Listen. I like the way it ended. If nothing else, if we make it, I won't say anything. [01:08:22] Speaker D: Of course. [01:08:24] Speaker C: What won't they make? Part two out of now. [01:08:26] Speaker D: You know what? You know what? To me, the biggest surprise of that time was cocaine bear and Megan. [01:08:34] Speaker C: Megan was great. I had a ton of fun with Megan. I thought that was really fun. [01:08:43] Speaker D: That's a great movie. Mark, did you see Megan? [01:08:45] Speaker C: I had a lot of fun. [01:08:49] Speaker D: It's on Netflix and check it out. [01:08:51] Speaker B: I got to take a look. All right, let's go. Bipolar bear. [01:09:16] Speaker A: Love was home. [01:09:24] Speaker D: Left my. [01:09:25] Speaker A: Neck on sat will be racing my love don't see the money can't see my way she trucking keep going, keep going. From the delicious coming down close can't speak of the way that you drive it. [01:10:20] Speaker B: You know what? I've kind of. I kind of get out of this thing a little bit. I hear in the chorus, especially just the way the playing is and stuff. I hear a little bit of zeppelin. To me. [01:10:29] Speaker C: I hear Beatles, too. [01:10:30] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Of course you're going to sound that. You're going to hear that in this beatlesque, the grunge era. You're going to hear a lot of beetlesque era. [01:10:40] Speaker B: This is 2001. [01:10:42] Speaker D: No, but they're still drawing from that era. [01:10:46] Speaker B: Of course. [01:10:49] Speaker C: On a side note, the Beatles are just ridiculous. Because today I was watching the making of paranoid by Black Sabbath. And another reference to we just wanted to be the Beatles. You know what I mean? It's crazy. Like, you would think some bands that, oh, no, they wouldn't like the Beatles. They sound nothing like them. But it's insane what an influential group. [01:11:13] Speaker B: They were and only recorded for like six or seven years, right? That's about it. [01:11:18] Speaker C: Yeah. They never made it out of the crazy. Just a little. [01:11:24] Speaker D: You know what it is, is that they just created this new sound that was so shocking to the system that people want to replicate. [01:11:35] Speaker C: I mean, you want to talk about a band recreating itself, right? A lot of bands and singers that kind of try to recreate themselves and it doesn't work. But for them, it worked. [01:11:49] Speaker D: And by the way, guys on the other side of the spectrum here, as you know, I listen to a lot of hip hop and r b. When you listen to a lot of those, they can reflect back to James Brown and so many other great groups, right. That they just try to replicate that sound. [01:12:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:10] Speaker C: Today I read something weird, too, the other day where you would never think, but somebody who wanted to sound like sly in the family stone, it was either some kind of rock band or metal band, and I wish I could remember, but they're like, oh, the person that they wanted to sound like, you would never guess. And it was sly in the family stone. I was like, wow. Yeah, cool. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but it doesn't sound anything like you. [01:12:33] Speaker C: No. Sometimes it's capturing the feel, and that's what they were trying to do, because they just felt. Because slying the family stone was big and they had a big feel. Yeah, I know. I like how we go off on these tangents. So this happens. [01:12:52] Speaker D: You know what? I want to apologize for that, people. I'm just saying it's just our passion for music that just put us through these tangents at the end of the day, and we come from a very diverse group. I think, in a way, I think. [01:13:09] Speaker C: We all listen to a lot of different things. And, I mean, obviously, being as person who tries to write songs, you hear, obviously things you wonder, oh, yeah, this does sound like that, and this does sound like that, whether you do it on purpose or not. But sometimes you sound like somebody said, oh, cool. It kind of sounds like the Beatles, or it sounds like you, too. That's cool. In my case. [01:13:32] Speaker B: Well, things get filtered through you. You know what I mean? It comes in one way, comes out another. [01:13:38] Speaker D: And for those that listen to us know, at the end of the day, I know for sure. Sav and I listen to a lot of hip hop, r and b classic, as well as some jazz music. Right? Am I wrong? [01:13:56] Speaker C: He's got me into a lot of rap and whatever now, because I told him some of the old school stuff that he should listen to, but he's turned me onto some of the new school. I'm telling you, some of these rappers are doing, like, lil Yachty and even, like, travis Scott. I mean, they're doing some really interesting stuff with the music and production, and it's good. [01:14:22] Speaker D: I I'm still trying to learn new ways of doing things, but circling back, it's just like, we appreciate music overall. That's my whole point. Right. And we can connect the dots along the way. Like, okay, this sound relates back to here and this era in this genre, this group, and kind of things along the know, mark, I know your music knowledge and experience is deeper than ours for a long time. [01:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:53] Speaker B: I don't know. The more I do the show, the less I feel I listen to mean, which is kind of funny to me, I think I know about a lot of bands. I just haven't listened to a lot of bands. It's just very strange. I was pigeonholed for a long time into one place. [01:15:12] Speaker D: I wouldn't say then. I would just say that you introduced us to 70s rock. What do you think, sav? [01:15:19] Speaker C: Well, Mark introduced me to kiss. Without a doubt. [01:15:21] Speaker D: Without a doubt. Zero questions there. Mark introduced us to Chris. I was like, are you serious? Who are these guys? There is zero doubt in my know, when I die and somebody reads, know, obituary, it's like, yeah, mark peril introduce to, you know, kiss. [01:15:45] Speaker C: I mean, Detroit rock city was that. And I think Tom Dirty be the first two songs I've learned on for what he did on Detroit rock City. Oh, my God. [01:16:01] Speaker D: When people ask me, it's like, okay, what do you remember for your childhood? And there's certain things that stand out. And one of those moments was hanging out in Mark's house watching Rocky Moscow. [01:16:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:16] Speaker D: Remember that? [01:16:18] Speaker B: I remember watching. [01:16:24] Speaker D: Was it rockin'Moscow? I forgot what it was, but it was like, yeah. Was it rockin'Moscow sad? [01:16:29] Speaker B: No, it was the Moscow music and peace festival, right? [01:16:32] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay, whatever it was, we watched the thing in your house, Mark. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Yep. I remember that. Someone had to tape it for us because obviously, again, we always refer back to this. [01:16:42] Speaker B: We don't have cable. [01:16:43] Speaker C: I mean, I want to say it was somebody's cousin. Keep this for us. And we would watch it, but, yeah, I absolutely remember watching that. [01:16:51] Speaker D: We watched the whole thing in Motley Crue. Yep. And we specifically agreed on a time and we all met up Mark's house, and we all watched that whole thing there at Mark's house and the story. And that's one of the memories when people think about, okay, flashbacks. Mark's Hyundai. What was it again? [01:17:23] Speaker C: Probably the greatest car ever made. [01:17:26] Speaker D: The car ever made. [01:17:28] Speaker C: Holy shit, that car. [01:17:31] Speaker B: Well, after I burned the clutch out on it the first time I drove it, that was good, too. [01:17:35] Speaker D: There was that, and there was watching the rock and Moscow. Right. Situation that we watched and kissed. Listen to every kiss album that Mark had original run, people. Originals by the. [01:17:51] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, those all got destroyed in a flood, but what do you mean? Yeah, they were in the basement I was living, and it was a big flood, and it went to the basement and destroyed all my stuff, where I ended up having to buy all the records back again, which I have. Actually, the records I have now are better shape than those records were original stuff anymore. I mean, I have original stuff, but it's not my original stuff. Because. [01:18:21] Speaker D: Folks, just so you only know, that's my memory, too. [01:18:26] Speaker B: We probably do. [01:18:28] Speaker D: I just got to say, folks, that's my memory. Growing up in the Bronx with Mark and the guys that just shared with you. [01:18:40] Speaker C: Think about it. We couldn't see those things on a daily basis. [01:18:44] Speaker B: No. [01:18:45] Speaker C: You know what I mean? We had to watch everything through the VCR. So it was a big deal. [01:18:52] Speaker D: For whatever reasons. We have cable in the Bronx. [01:18:55] Speaker C: No, we didn't have mean. It was a big deal. Remember, we used to watch, I mean, whatever, headbangers ball. It would be like, how many shows? Like four or five shows. Like hours and hours, just sitting there watching music. [01:19:10] Speaker D: Me, I remember going to Nick's house and we had to watch it there on tape sometimes. [01:19:16] Speaker B: Yeah, on tape. [01:19:17] Speaker D: All the time on tape. On tape, yeah, because I think Mark used to record it sometimes. [01:19:21] Speaker B: No, I didn't have cable. [01:19:22] Speaker C: No, we didn't have cable. [01:19:24] Speaker D: Where did it come from, those tapes? [01:19:25] Speaker B: I don't remember. [01:19:26] Speaker C: I want to say somebody lived in Yonkers. [01:19:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Maybe. [01:19:32] Speaker C: I don't want to mention names on the podcast, but it was a former Kurt, still a friend and former guitar player. [01:19:41] Speaker D: Okay. Yeah. All right, got it. [01:19:43] Speaker B: Is that where it came from? [01:19:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm almost positive that's where it came from. If I had to think. Because again, obviously they were into that kind of music, so they would record it and we would watch it. That's what I remember. Nick, once he's back, maybe if he remembers anything, he's better at remembering, I think. [01:20:05] Speaker D: Yeah, I just remember. So I used to serve mass every Friday night. So I was an altar boy. Yeah, me sav as well. And Nicolo. Nick was an altar boy. Right. So I used to serve mass on Friday nights. And after mass, I used to run to Nick's house with pizza from. At the time, it was called Half Moon Pizza. And eventually they expanded, became full moon pizza because they became bigger. Right. So we rub pizza and we hang out and just watch headbangers ball on VCR. It was like last week's episode. [01:20:52] Speaker B: We didn't care if it was a week old. Didn't matter. [01:20:56] Speaker C: No. Or Ricky Rock through the repeats. [01:21:01] Speaker D: I didn't care. Yeah. [01:21:03] Speaker B: All right, so let me read some. Read some vocal from lyrics before so we can continue. So I'm letting it go again. I'm halfway full on. Left my meds on the sink today. My head will be racing by lunchtime. Don't sleep behind the wheel at the stoplight. Can't sleep behind the wheel as you're driving home. You keep coming down the hill as you're falling. Keep falling from the hill as you're coming down. Can't sleep behind the wheel at the stoplight. Can't sleep behind the wheel as you're driving home. It's just an interesting way like that. He says things at the beginning, then he pulls it back in, like, in the middle. So it's an interesting way of writing that he's using here. And obviously, he's writing what he knows again, so there's a lot of drug references in this thing. [01:21:47] Speaker C: Yeah, well, they said it's about his bipolar. [01:21:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. [01:21:53] Speaker C: Which is kind of like what I liked how it started out. Kind of mellow and acoustic, and then just. It came full on in. That's kind of cool. Little. Right. Two ends of the spectrum kind of thing. [01:22:08] Speaker B: Well, bipolar. Bipolar bear. All right, let's continue. Here we go. [01:22:13] Speaker A: I'm holding a hand again. My sweats hold on. Think I've had too much coffee. A manicus. Help us. I'm going strong. [01:22:40] Speaker C: Let my neck on. [01:22:46] Speaker A: My racing. I love it. There's the way I should drop it. Keep going down the hill. Keep going from the hill. She coming down. You can't see behind the stoplight. I wish you drive it. Sade solo. [01:24:13] Speaker B: That's pretty good. [01:24:14] Speaker C: Yeah. If it's a lot, though, right? He's definitely proficient with the slide. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, he doesn't use it on everything, but he uses on a lot of stuff, and he's really good. [01:24:23] Speaker C: With it, I'm thinking, too, obviously. Big empty the intro. Right. I do associate the slide sound with solo is my favorite part of the song so far. [01:24:37] Speaker B: You know what I got to say, though? I find that that's interesting that this is a different voice for him, too, because he has, like, the low voice. Right. Then he has his voice that he uses all the time. And now this is, like, kind of like, the falsetto voice. He doesn't use this too often. This is, like, one of the few songs where he uses the falsetto. He's using it a lot through the whole song. [01:24:58] Speaker C: It shows he's got range, obviously. [01:25:00] Speaker A: Right. [01:25:00] Speaker B: He can use his voice. [01:25:02] Speaker C: He's not just a one note guy. [01:25:06] Speaker B: He's definitely not a one trick pony. [01:25:08] Speaker C: No, absolutely not. Definitely not. [01:25:13] Speaker B: So I'm holding her hand again. My palm sweats. Hold on. I think I've had too much coffee. I'm manic as hell, but I'm going strong. Left my meds on the sink again. My head will be racing by lunchtime. And then it's back to the chorus. Yeah, there's a lot going on in the chorus. Like that drum beats a little was very interesting, too. That's going on in the chorus. It's not what you would think would be there. But again, this is a little out of their comfort zone and doing a little things a little different, which I kind of like. [01:25:54] Speaker D: Is it outside their comfort zone? [01:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. [01:25:57] Speaker C: I know it's kind of like it is what it is, which is cool about them. [01:26:02] Speaker D: They like to explore a lot. [01:26:05] Speaker B: Yeah, but if you listen to enough records, you can see that a lot of people don't explore or they're not allowed to because this is the sound they have and no one wants to hear anything but that. [01:26:16] Speaker D: But not SCP. Not the most recent album release. [01:26:24] Speaker B: No, I'm saying. But they've always been able to move around, like we said. Like Sereno said, in the first record, they're all over the place, and the second record, they're all over the place. But some bands are not allowed to do that. [01:26:35] Speaker D: I don't think they're all over the place. I just feel like they play in their comfort zone. [01:26:42] Speaker B: No, I mean that they don't stick to one style and they're not saying that they're allowed. [01:26:51] Speaker C: You may not think that the person that writes Creep also writes or plush may be the same as dead and bloated and sex type thing. You know what I mean? [01:27:01] Speaker D: Okay, I got what you're saying. No, but that's how diverse they are. They do it well, and they'll do very well. Actually, if you listen to the most recent album, Badida, you're going to hear a much different sounding STP. And almost. I wish they made this album while Scott Wyland was alive. [01:27:29] Speaker B: Maybe they couldn't. I have a feeling. [01:27:32] Speaker D: But yeah, you're right. You're right. Because at the end of the day, when you listen to the album, it's very depressing in a way. I almost feel in the most recent album that they released was like they're releasing their pain along the way and it's possible, right? [01:27:55] Speaker C: I just feel that singer or the last one with Scott Wyland. [01:27:59] Speaker D: No, the most recent album they released with their recent singer, it almost feels the band is releasing their pain and their hurt and their disappointments and everything. Like they're just leaving it all on the table on this album. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Wouldn't be surprising. I like the fact that they diverse and they can. [01:28:22] Speaker D: Yeah, I appreciate that they diverse. I appreciate that in the earlier times when they had the frontman who could deliver that diversity, it just made you appreciate the band more. Their challenge has been finding someone who can voice that you might not find. Yeah, yeah. I don't think you'll be able to. I mean, listen, Scott Wyland broke off. They had their fights, they broke off, and he did his own thing, and he sounded very different in his music that he did on his own. [01:29:01] Speaker B: Well, like I said, it's those guys together that make that sound. [01:29:05] Speaker D: Exactly. It makes that sound. So that's what made STP so unique, is that they can bounce around to a different genre and just be, like, amazing at it. [01:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Like I said, I feel the differences in this, even though I'm not saying that it's, like, radically different, but I feel that you can see when they are stretching out past stuff that they think that they would normally do and they're throwing things in there that maybe that's not what they wouldn't do all the time. Or maybe earlier on they wouldn't do that, but now they feel that they can. Dude, a lot of bands don't get that opportunity to do. [01:29:48] Speaker D: At the end of the day, they just reach the point where they say, hey, we reach all the success that we need to be. We want to do our thing now. [01:29:57] Speaker B: Maybe. [01:29:58] Speaker D: Yeah, but listen to perida. If you haven't listened to it yet, listen to it. [01:30:03] Speaker B: Well, I'm not going to because it's. [01:30:04] Speaker C: Funny, I know, because I went back. How long ago was that album? [01:30:11] Speaker D: 2021 is recent, but, yeah. Is not that old. [01:30:19] Speaker C: No. [01:30:21] Speaker B: All right, let's continue. [01:30:23] Speaker A: Don't sleep behind the wheel. Can't sleep on the way. I should drive. It's keep coming on the finish of falling. Keep going on the finish. It's coming down the way. Stoplight can't stay behind the race of driving Sa. [01:32:05] Speaker B: I like the. [01:32:06] Speaker D: Ooh, yeah, I was gonna just say I just like that part. [01:32:11] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's. It's really good. [01:32:16] Speaker C: I'm gonna go first. Uhoh, here we go. I have a quick little trip to make. I've been drinking a lot of water, so let me go first. [01:32:27] Speaker A: Um. [01:32:30] Speaker C: I don't know. I mean, the lyrics, I mean, obviously they tell a story, and, I mean, I like the. The language that he uses. I'm gonna say seven. I mean, I do think they're pretty good, but I don't know that they're as good as some of the ones I voted. Eight or nine music. I'm going to say seven. I think this one could be my least favorite so far overall, but again, it could be one where it grows on me. I don't think any song is bad so far. And I think even the ones that I haven't been crazy about, like this one, and I think one on the first side could eventually grow on me with more listens just because even when it's not whatever, it's still very interesting. They're still trying to do things that obviously there's a lot going on in this song. And the production, I think, is really good, too. This one is actually, I think, one of the better produced songs. It's so tight, I feel. And so I'm going to say nine on the production. Again, there's nothing really bad so far in this record and I said it before, I'm glad that we got it because I really missed out on this era. Frank. Wow. [01:33:46] Speaker D: I had to mute myself because I'll be like, what, seven lyrics, bro? Are you serious? But after hearing your explanation, I feel you and I re ranked it. So I'm going to give it an eight for me. And the lyrics, it's just very fitting. And the message that they are trying to deliver there. And the music part of it, I'm going to give it an eight. I love the music. I love the sound. It just fits the whole overall arching theme and the production. Yeah, nine. I have to say that the production has been really good so far, at least through the albums that I shared. The songs that I shared with all of you tonight. The production by O'Brien has been just amazing. So a nine here right now, Mark. [01:34:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know if these lyrics are as good as some of the other stuff. They're not bad by any stretch of the imagination. There's some good symbolism in the lyrics. So I kind of like that. So I'm probably going to say eight. I like the slide guitar playing. I like that funky beat that he's playing in the chorus. Bass playing is really good. Everything's really good. There's a lot going on. Gives you a little zeppelin vibe, gives you a little Beatles vibe. You can see where the places they're pulling those things from. So I'm going to give that an eight. And, yeah, I think this is one of the better produced. Even though nothing is badly produced here for me. I think they did a really good job. He did a really good job of producing this, so I'm going to do nine on that. I agree with everybody, but, yeah, like I said, it's them, but it's also them stretching out a little bit, too, and going past what they normally do, which I kind of like. [01:35:44] Speaker C: And that's. [01:35:45] Speaker D: What made STP one of my favorite bands. [01:35:47] Speaker B: Well, me, too. [01:35:48] Speaker D: They often play outside of their comfort zone. [01:35:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:53] Speaker B: I mean, listen, is it that far away from STP? No, but he doesn't sing songs a lot like this. You know what I mean? Like, this vocal, the way he's singing, he doesn't use that part of his voice a lot. So when he does use it, you're like, oh, wow, that's a little bit different. So I kind of enjoyed that, too. So, yeah, I think it's been a very strong side of a record so far, so I. Hopefully he continues to go through that just like that. We shall see. Once Sabino gets back from wherever he is. [01:36:34] Speaker C: I'm back. [01:36:36] Speaker B: Okay. Feeling better? [01:36:39] Speaker C: Oh, much better. [01:36:40] Speaker B: Okay. The next song is transmissions from a lonely room. I have a feeling we're going to like this, too. I have a feeling. [01:36:52] Speaker C: The lyrics. [01:36:55] Speaker B: Here. We sold Led Zeppelin. [01:37:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:15] Speaker B: What song does that sound like? Trying to think. Sounds like something at the top of my head. I can't tell you. [01:37:24] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, Zeppelin esque. [01:37:26] Speaker B: It is. I. But it's very well done. Even though you're like, oh, you're not thinking, oh, well, they just copy and Led Zeppelin, because that's not going to be the case. It just has that vibe. [01:37:39] Speaker C: But again, it goes back to the production. Right. Because it still sounds like credit. You know, I credit the producer again with saying this is the STP sound, then even the Beatles stuff. The Beatles stuff still sounds like them doing. You know what, it's still. Which, again, credit the producer. [01:37:59] Speaker B: No, yeah, he's done a great job. [01:38:01] Speaker C: Or credit them. I mean, again, sometimes we don't know how some of these bands, how much control they had in the studio or just how much they were like, hey, dude, you produce this, right? Just do what you do. [01:38:14] Speaker B: It's possible. I'm going to back it up a little bit. [01:38:22] Speaker A: Miles above your circumstances water on your mind I press on with convictions and I've settled with the tide it's more or less uncertain but still you play the game won't change the score but all of this will fade out everything down it's nice. [01:39:34] Speaker B: Little solo break, too. [01:39:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that. [01:39:38] Speaker B: This song. Well, like I said, it's giving me zeppelin x vibes, but I kind of like. Kind of like the way it's going on. Like I said, this is a different voice than his last song, right? Totally different. This is his middle sounding voice that he uses a lot. [01:39:51] Speaker C: I kind of like that megaphone voice. Right. That telephone, kind of. [01:39:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:55] Speaker C: You can hear him. [01:39:57] Speaker B: Well, it's got some weird. I don't know if that's what's going on, but they got the weird effect. I think he's doubling his voice and they got some weird effect on the verses. So. Miles above your circumstance there's water on your mind I've wrestled with convictions and I've settled with the tide it's more or less uncertainty but still you play the game a pedicure won't change the score but all of this will fade so low, you better get on everything stopped down so low, better get on everything slowed down so low, better get on everything stopped down so slow, better get on everything slowed down I liked how they used the background vocal in there to do the down part. [01:40:43] Speaker C: Sure. [01:40:45] Speaker B: So it's not just like him. Just like straightly doing. Just doing the things. They add the background vocals in there, which I kind of like. Yeah, it's a good song. All right. I think I like the words in the second verse even better. We go. [01:41:10] Speaker A: Wash away the murder mouth you left behind triple kiss and wedding rings from lethal to tame so down the critic now let it go everything. [01:41:56] Speaker B: Before we get to the next part. And the bass is all over the place. I love that he's not just a root playing. Just a root note guy and a kind of guy. [01:42:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:09] Speaker B: It helps to groove. [01:42:10] Speaker C: I mean, they can play their instruments. [01:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:13] Speaker C: Again, the drummer is not doing anything particularly spectacular, but he's in the pocket. I do like the way he plays. [01:42:22] Speaker B: He's playing for the song. [01:42:22] Speaker C: I like that he plays along to the riff. You know what I mean? He accentuates the riff. I'm always a big fan of. [01:42:32] Speaker B: So the verse is. Take a bath with consecrated water from the shrine and wash away the mud of all the miles you left behind triplicates and wedding rings are both lethal to obtain. So batten down the credit cards. The devil's in the den. Are they saying what the song is about? There's anybody out there saying what this is about? [01:42:54] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, again, they say it's in reference to his addiction. But they said also, too. I guess he had done jail time. [01:43:03] Speaker B: I could see that. [01:43:04] Speaker C: So it was about his musings on drugs in jail. [01:43:09] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to back it up a little bit and see what they do in the next part. See what kind of interesting stuff happens. [01:43:27] Speaker A: It. [01:43:40] Speaker B: Was a weird little break. [01:43:43] Speaker C: Yeah. I wish they'd done something with it, though. [01:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I was expecting maybe the point of the solo to happen after that piece and it didn't happen. [01:43:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Or you could just go on with that, maybe just do something over it. So I was a little disappointed, like, okay. And then it just upped. [01:44:02] Speaker B: Let's continue. [01:44:07] Speaker A: Let it go everything better get out everything down right now let it go everything I. [01:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Quick song. 316. It's quick. [01:44:48] Speaker C: It's a little shorter than that. [01:44:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it feels shorter than that because it moves along pretty good. I'll go first. I like the riff, the zeppelin riff in the beginning a lot. I like the chorus. I wish the middle part was a little bit. I wish they would have done something more with that. But it's not horrible. I like some of the symbolism things in his lyrics. So I'm probably going to give the lyrics. I'm going to give him a seven. I don't think they're as good as some of the other stuff he's done, but they're good. I mean, seven is not bad. I like the musicianship again. I think there are songs that are better. And I think that so far this side of the record has been great. They're definitely not suffering from the second side sucks thing. So I like that. So I'm going to give probably the. Just for the riff alone. I think I'm going to have to give music an eight just because I like that riff so much. I'm going to say production eight again. I think he's doing a great job for me. It's not like it's changed so much since the beginning. So I kind of like it. Frank. [01:46:06] Speaker D: If you listen to the song and just pretend for one moment it's not STP and someone plays it for you, say, hey, guess who's playing. I hear a little bit of black keys on this one. What do you think? [01:46:24] Speaker C: Black keys, you said? [01:46:25] Speaker D: Yes. [01:46:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I can hear. [01:46:30] Speaker D: Know. And that just goes to show you how diversified STP was when Scott Wyland was at the helm and they were not scared to experiment with their sound. So for know, lyrics, I give it an eight. The music, I'll give it eight. And the production, I'll get to give it a think. You know, at the end of the day that the production part ties it all together really well. And Brendan just give it that sound and afforded them the space they needed to experiment with their, you know, saf, what do you think? [01:47:10] Speaker C: I think I'm going to go triple eight on this one. I do like the lyrics. I think they do. You know what he's talking about? But again, he doesn't. I like the way, the words he uses and the imagery he uses, the music, it's good. I mean, it's. It's a strong song. I think it's kind of up their alley when it comes to, let's say, heavier songs like this. And, yeah, the production is. It does everything it needs to, you know, pretty good song. And, yeah, I mean, the second side has mean, the whole album I really don't have major complaints about. [01:47:53] Speaker D: So, yeah, one of the things that made me an STP fan was like, they were not afraid to experiment with their sound. And you hear that album after album, they're going to throw it out there, take it or leave it kind of mindset. [01:48:12] Speaker B: I mean, that can be dangerous, too, if you stray too far from what you do. [01:48:16] Speaker C: Well, I was a bit upset on the third album. [01:48:21] Speaker D: That is an album that is going to be the. [01:48:24] Speaker C: I was not a fan of the third album. [01:48:27] Speaker D: I was very disappointed. So we had core, we had purple, and we had the little town box from the Vatican. [01:48:34] Speaker B: Tiny music. [01:48:35] Speaker D: Tiny music. I have to say, that album, for me personally, felt a little bit. They were rushing through it. It's like a little bit. [01:48:49] Speaker C: There was a thing going on then I feel that because I feel it, too. It happened with Pearl Jam, even though the third album wasn't as bad as I remembered, like, having done it here. But even live, I mean, I love live's first two albums. And then secret Samadhi came out. I'm like, what is this? [01:49:10] Speaker D: It just almost feels like, hey, we have a contract to fulfill. Let's just get it over with. [01:49:17] Speaker B: Could be right. [01:49:19] Speaker C: Yeah, but I don't know about. It's almost like, again, I think a band can evolve into album to album, and if they're a good song, they're good songs. I mean, I bring up the black album, which wasn't as heavy, but the songs are good. October, baby, from you, too, it was different, but the songs are really well written. They're good songs. And then kind of from there, to me, it went downhill. So I think a band could do what it wants. And again, this is just my opinion. I'm sure there's people who love this SCP third album and live's third album, but that's what kind of. And obviously, even like live, they made strong albums. After that. What I consider strong albums. [01:50:08] Speaker D: Right. [01:50:09] Speaker C: To do what you want. [01:50:10] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:50:15] Speaker B: All right, so the next song is called a song for sleeping. Here we go. [01:50:29] Speaker A: Finally. Imagine the day has come. You're more than beautiful and you're my son I don't deserve this I never thought it could be quite like the moment when you first smile at me up to this wonderful feeling like I'd never seen it. You know what it seems. And when you lie, don't sleep I protect you from teams of the night while I'm watching you grow it's so much I could teach you if you die. [01:51:55] Speaker B: So, obviously it's about his son. [01:51:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, he mentioned his name. [01:52:00] Speaker B: Yeah. What do you think so far about this? [01:52:10] Speaker C: It's all right. [01:52:11] Speaker B: I like the pre chorus. [01:52:14] Speaker C: I like the music underneath. Again, I'm just not digging his melody. The little guitar thing you do, that dinner, you know what I mean? It's actually really cool. It's a cool riff going on under. [01:52:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:25] Speaker C: I'm just not crazy about the melody. [01:52:29] Speaker B: Yeah. I think some of the melody choice in here is not as good as it could be. I think he's trying to fit a lot of stuff into a shorter period. And maybe that's why it's a little tougher to swallow. Finally I've met you. The day has come. You're more than beautiful. And you're my son. I don't deserve this. I never thought it could be quite like the moment when you first smiled at me. A toothless, wonderful feeling like I've never seen. It's you, Noah. It's you. And then the pre chorus. I like the change that they do in the pre chorus. They change the chords up a little bit, and I like that. And when you lie down to sleep I'll protect you from the demons of the night while I'm watching you grow and then the chorus is. I'll pray. There's so much I could teach you if you only have the time pray. There's so much God can teach you if you only have the time. [01:53:23] Speaker C: Yeah. The pre course is when they kind of did the echo on the vocal. It just kind of comes in. [01:53:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. It's going to happen. So we'll do it again. So, let's see. [01:53:37] Speaker A: Tell me the little things. What? The sky is like an angel, sweet. I don't remember these things. So would you keep them to me? So for the moment I watch you breath. And when you wake up in the morning and up on the coffee, you always smiling sweetly. And when you lie. Come sleep, I'll protect you from the team while I'm watching you grow. There's so much I could teach you if you die pray. There's so much God could teach you if you. [01:55:00] Speaker B: I gotta say, the chorus is starting to. Is starting to become much more catchy. [01:55:08] Speaker C: I do like pre chorus. [01:55:10] Speaker B: What? [01:55:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I do like the pre chorus. [01:55:13] Speaker B: I like the pre chorus. It's really the verse. I think that I'm really having more of a problem with. Of the melody in the verse. I think that's really what it is, because, like I said, the chorus is starting to grow on me now. And I like the pre chorus from the get go, so maybe it's just like I said, it's a lot of words. He's trying to put a lot of stuff in one place, so maybe that's where melody suffers a little bit. Will you tell me little things. What does God look like? An angel's wings? I don't remember these things. So it's kind of interesting. He's like, well, I don't remember these things because I'm too old now. I don't remember what these things are, but tell me what they are. [01:55:53] Speaker C: The sentiment is obviously very nice. [01:55:55] Speaker B: What? [01:55:57] Speaker C: The sentiment. [01:55:58] Speaker B: The sentiment is very good. Yeah. So would you teach them to me? So for the moment, I watch you breed. When you wake up in the morning and I pour the coffee, you're always smiling sweetly, so it's a good sentiment. I don't think the melody is great. And then pre chorus and chorus again, the same as before. Yeah. On the pre chorus at the end, they have that little vocal effect going on, which is pretty cool. That sounds a little beatly, too. So I'm just curious to see what they're going to do here. I'm going to back it up just a little bit and see what they. Let's see where they go with you. [01:56:49] Speaker A: Raid slideshow, though. [01:57:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he's very proficient at that. [01:57:19] Speaker C: Yeah, he's good with the slide. [01:57:21] Speaker B: No, it's really good. And it fits the song. Gets his four bars in and he's out. [01:57:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:57:30] Speaker B: I liked it a lot. I liked that a lot. Like I said, I like the music a lot. And like I said, chorus is okay. And pre chorus, I like just the verses, I think that are a little tough for me. I mean, they're not bad. They're not horrible. [01:57:43] Speaker C: No, it's not like, oh, my God. [01:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah. But comparatively, some of the other stuff I hit before, it's not as good. Yeah. All right, let's finish it out. [01:57:55] Speaker A: There's so much I could teach you if you only have time. Break. There's so much God could teach you if you only have time. Pray. There's so much I could teach you if you have the time. [01:58:33] Speaker B: So, you know, what's kind of funny? I remember just like a couple of days ago, there was a thing about his son that came up online. I don't know if you saw it. [01:58:46] Speaker C: No. [01:58:50] Speaker B: He'S a singer, too, obviously. He says, I'm not a trust fund baby or anything like that. I always get annoyed when people say that type of stuff. My dad was millions in debt when he died. My mom has always worked a normal job. And truthfully, even if my dad's estate ever does get out of debt, I don't even want the money. I want to make a career of myself as much as possible. So obviously he's an addict now. He's in a band. Suspect two eight with Slash's son. [01:59:19] Speaker C: Oh, we talked about that. [01:59:21] Speaker B: Robert Trujillo's son. [01:59:23] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. I forgot. We did. It did sound familiar. Something about. [01:59:31] Speaker B: Um. So he had an addiction problem. He said that everyone already thought of me as a drug addict. I was like, if everyone already thinks I am, then what's the point? I just gave up and actually became a drug addict. I felt like all the hard work I put in just vanished and there was nothing I could do about it. It's obviously a very childish mindset, but it's where I was at the time. And then he finally understand his situation. It made me realize it wasn't his fault. He was just in too deep. He had too many demons. They caught up with him. It actually made me forgive him. [02:00:04] Speaker C: That's good. [02:00:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So he's kind of. I don't have to listen to suspect 208 and see what he sounds like. I wonder if he sounds like his dad. Have you heard any of that stuff, Frank? Does he sound like his dad? [02:00:14] Speaker C: I didn't even know it existed until I accidentally read it last week. [02:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird that came up. Right? And now we have a song about him. [02:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:23] Speaker B: Strange. [02:00:23] Speaker D: No, I not hear that. [02:00:26] Speaker B: It's weird. [02:00:31] Speaker C: Spirits are alive. [02:00:33] Speaker B: I don't know if he's going to be as good as his dad. It's hard. Frank, why don't you go first? [02:00:39] Speaker C: It depends the band around him, too. [02:00:41] Speaker D: You know what, mark, you go first. [02:00:42] Speaker B: On me to go. [02:00:44] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [02:00:46] Speaker B: I don't think the lyrics are bad. I have to give it a little bit off and it's not going to be bad, but I'm going to give it a little bit off because I kind of think that the melody and the verses is not great. I like pre chorus and the chorus kind of grew on me. So I'm going to say seven on lyrics. The lyrics itself aren't bad. He's just trying to jam lots of stuff into one place. And the sentiment is really nice musicianship. I'm going to give that an eight. I thought the slide playing was really awesome and all the music behind everything was great. And again, eight on the production because there's nothing wrong with the production. It doesn't hinder the song, doesn't hold the song back. I think it actually elevates the song more than it actually holds it back. Saf? [02:01:32] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm going to say a seven on the lyrics based on the sentiment. And there are some lines in there, the father, the son lines that he uses differently, which I like. It's not the typical kind of sports kind of references and whatever references. So I do like that he does that music. Yeah, I guess I'll say seven as well. I'm not overall crazy about it. I do kind of hear, but there are bits that I like and I think the background music was pretty cool. That was a really cool guitar riff going on. I like the solo production. I'm going to give an a two. It was very clean. Yeah, I mean, not bad. Not necessarily my favorite so far in comparison, but again, nothing's been really bad on this record. So, Frank. [02:02:39] Speaker D: Not my most favorite song right now, but to your point, it's like every song in this album has been great. So it's kind of like. All right, that's the bar. I'm going to give it a triple seven across the board. I think the. The lyrics are great, but not amazing compared to all the songs that we heard. The music so far, it's been okay. And right there with the seven and the production part of it, actually, I'm going to do the production as an eight. The production kind of try to matches the music that they're trying to deliver in this song right here. [02:03:23] Speaker B: I think you're just trying to not get Nikki to get his sound. I think that's what it. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we'll play before we leave. Maybe we'll play a little bit of the suspect to where we had. If I can find a song and see what it sounds like. I'm just curious. All right, so the last song on the album is. What is it? It is long way home. So let's see what this thing does. Are we ready? [02:03:56] Speaker C: Yes. [02:03:57] Speaker B: Here we go. [02:04:01] Speaker A: Get away, I gotta go long way can't be to the strange make me get away better run fast I can from a man, daddy man see I'm run away fly away through the field the burning field my name when you knock on the door when you knock on the star in my head and feel like it's from. Where can I find it? [02:05:32] Speaker B: So what do you think of that weird little riff? Like, even, like, the. I don't know what the tuning they're using. It's weird. The chords are weird. [02:05:44] Speaker C: I think that there's a better song there than they're doing. That's my opinion. I don't mind the melody, per se, and I like the music. I think it's just too dry. If it wasn't as dry, if it was a little bit bigger, then it would be a really good song. [02:06:03] Speaker B: Could this be the only place where the production is not helping the song? [02:06:07] Speaker C: Yeah, but again, we always talk about this. Ultimately, if this is the way it was written and this is the way they kind of wanted it to sound, but I think if even a little reverb, just something. [02:06:20] Speaker B: It is kind of dry. [02:06:22] Speaker C: Yeah, but I think there's a really good song there that just slight tweak, and it would be like, wow, this is really good. But instead I'm like. It's kind of plodding along and I'm like. [02:06:37] Speaker B: So lyrics are leave me out, get away, I got to go long way home can't see through the trees leave me out, get away betters run as fast as I can from the man, the dirty man, the old man in my song. Run away, fly away, long way home through the fields the burning fields call my name when you knock on the door go insane when you knock on the door in my head and it's beating like a drum. And he likes to, what I've noticed, like, the first line of the chorus, he likes to drag that out on lots of songs. So tell me, is this more of the same? Where can I find it? Tell me, is she fighting for air? And where does she come from? Tell me. I don't know if you could find out what this song is about. [02:07:27] Speaker C: They say it's about drugs. Again. [02:07:28] Speaker B: Again, that's what I was going to say. Is it more about drug addiction? [02:07:32] Speaker C: Well, let me ask you this. I don't know a lot about him. I mean, was he ever like. Was he one of those people who was clean for a little bit at any time? [02:07:39] Speaker B: I mean, Frank, come on, pull out. [02:07:42] Speaker C: The Frank, was he ever cleaned? [02:07:46] Speaker D: He was. There was a period that he was clean. And the great maybe going into this. [02:07:52] Speaker C: Record, and it's kind of like him. [02:07:55] Speaker D: Going into this record, he was clean, then he fell off the wagon. And then when they got back together in 2013, they were clean again. And then not so much. And eventually his demise. [02:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah. That's why he was an hour late when I came to see him. When I saw him. Because he fell off the wagon. Yeah. So he's been back and forth. He can never get it taken care, so. All right. Yeah. [02:08:28] Speaker D: I'd say six months to a year before he was clean, before this album. [02:08:32] Speaker C: And he was a heroin guy? [02:08:35] Speaker B: I think so. Was heroin. Wasn't a heroin, Frank? [02:08:38] Speaker D: I think so, yes, he was. [02:08:40] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, here we go. [02:08:50] Speaker A: Leave me get away I've gotta go can't see through the trees leave me get away let a run back from a man Johnny man run away when it's nothing I'm a dark day where can I find it? If you fight forever where did you come from? Where can I find it come from? Watch around it from now keep around way home I hear the music I really don't know keep running I can't wait out that time and be just o. [02:11:40] Speaker B: Usually doesn't get that much. [02:11:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I think there isn't, like an album closer, either. It felt like it could have been somewhere more in the middle or left off. [02:11:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I think. [02:11:56] Speaker D: By the way, that solo sounded like double talking jive. [02:12:03] Speaker B: Sound like what? [02:12:04] Speaker D: Double talking jive when he's fading out towards the end? [02:12:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:12:10] Speaker D: That'S what it sounded to me. [02:12:15] Speaker B: Well, why don't you go first, Frank? [02:12:20] Speaker D: I mean, this is my least favorite song overall. I'm going to give it a seven across the board. The musicianship is right there, but it's not inspiring. The lyrics are great, but again, not inspiring. And the production overall, I just feel like it could have been better on this one. But again, it's the last song. So how much effort you put into your last song? So triple seven is for me. [02:12:58] Speaker B: Well, guess what, nicky Titty, baby. [02:13:02] Speaker D: Seven. [02:13:03] Speaker B: Seven. [02:13:10] Speaker C: Mark, why don't you go first? [02:13:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm going to change it up a little bit. I'm going to say. [02:13:26] Speaker A: It. [02:13:27] Speaker B: I'm going to say seven on the lyrics. I'm going to say eight on the music because I like his guitar stuff on there. I do like the riff and stuff behind it. It just doesn't go anywhere where I would like it to go. And I feel, and this is the one time for me, that the production failed the song. I'm going to give that a seven. It's not my favorite thing on here, but, I mean, is it horrible? There could be a better song in here somewhere, though. [02:13:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:13:59] Speaker D: I kind of feel you try to skirt the seven, seven seven in this one. [02:14:03] Speaker B: No, I do like his guitar stuff on there, so that's why I'm giving it an eight. He actually got, like, I don't know, eight bars of guitar solo, and it was still going as he was going out, so that never happens. I like the riff. I think the riff and the playing is good. I think there's a better song in there somewhere. Not anymore, but. [02:14:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:14:32] Speaker A: Lyrics? [02:14:32] Speaker C: I'll say seven music. I'm going to say six on the music just because it kind of pissed me off, because I do think there's something really good in there. I don't think it's bad. I think it's a good riff. I don't know if I blame the music or I blame the production, but, I mean, considering we've given them all eight. [02:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:14:53] Speaker C: I just want to say it's kind of the way it was written, maybe, so I'll blame the music. [02:15:00] Speaker A: Wow. [02:15:01] Speaker C: I'm going to give the production a seven. I don't think that these last two songs are probably my least favorite on the album. So kind of like, maybe it's good that they were at the end. I mean, I know. I think there was one that I wasn't too, too crazy about on the first one, but, I mean, overall, can't really complain. It just kind of feel like they ended on a. [02:15:28] Speaker D: Really. [02:15:31] Speaker C: You give it the Wonka wan. I don't know. To me, it ended up. What did I say? It kind of came in as a lion, went out as a lamb. Okay. [02:15:43] Speaker D: You gave it a march. You gave it a march rating. Okay. Got it. [02:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I think we all don't think it's the best song on the record. It's a weird song to end on, too, but generally the side is fairly strong. [02:15:57] Speaker C: Yeah, just like I said, these last two. If they had ended two songs ago. Transmissions with eleven songs. All right, I understand. Song twelve, a song about a son. [02:16:13] Speaker D: Is it fill a song? [02:16:15] Speaker C: But it shouldn't be. I think that's why I'm grading it so harshly, because there's something good there. To me, it's a little reminiscent of flies in the Vaseline, but Vaseline had that really good production that made it the way this did. It's just so there's nothing there, and I'm like, I don't understand. Didn't you hear? You've done all this cool other stuff and nothing's been drived to this point. Why now? [02:16:45] Speaker D: I just feel like it's a twelve song. Like this is it. We just need to throw something on there to make it an lp. This is our twelve song. [02:16:55] Speaker C: Maybe live could be better. You know what I mean? If they let it breathe a little bit more. [02:17:07] Speaker D: I don't recall them playing this song. [02:17:09] Speaker B: Live, actually, probably not. [02:17:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it doesn't sound like. But again, that's why I think it's more of a disappointment to me than just a bad song. [02:17:22] Speaker D: I respect that. [02:17:25] Speaker B: So do we want to hear a little bit of Noah Weiland to see what he sounds like? Anyone interested? Yeah. All right, let's hear a piece. This is called. [02:17:47] Speaker A: Yesterday I finally realized things about left outside. You miss me when you're all. [02:17:59] Speaker B: He does not sound anything like his dad. [02:18:01] Speaker C: So wait, is this the band? [02:18:03] Speaker B: No, this is him. [02:18:04] Speaker C: Or is this him? He's catchy, that's for damn sure. [02:18:09] Speaker B: Noah Wyland. Yeah. I don't know. I don't particularly like it. What? [02:18:17] Speaker D: Oh my God. [02:18:18] Speaker C: It's very poppy. It's catchy though. [02:18:20] Speaker B: Well, but it's not even that. It's very stock for what's going on right now. He's the opposite of his dad. [02:18:26] Speaker C: Yeah. His dad was the band though. [02:18:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it does nothing for me. I mean, I'm going to forward it fast forward a little bit. Let's see if it gets any better and see what kind of chorus. Let's see. Listen to this. Let's see. [02:18:49] Speaker A: Wish I could see you all the time can lie but I always ruin everything every time driving on your dies or drive I miss when it was you and I and I'm sorry for the way that I treated you but I lost you so I feel defeated too. Nowadays I try not to think of you because it fucks me up. I've been taking chance to forget her. [02:19:14] Speaker B: She never sprayed Justin Bieber. [02:19:18] Speaker A: You. [02:19:19] Speaker C: It reminds you a little bit of. [02:19:23] Speaker D: It sounds very Harry Styles to me. [02:19:26] Speaker B: Harry Styles? Yeah, maybe a little bit too. Yeah. It's very much what's happening right now. [02:19:33] Speaker C: I'd be curious to sound what the other thing sounds like. Sorry. [02:19:37] Speaker B: Suspect 208 I don't know if they have anything out. [02:19:39] Speaker D: No, but so far that song right there. I wonder he could be as adoptive as his father to the different sounds. [02:19:56] Speaker B: Personally, I don't think that it's that different than what's going on to me. It's what's happening. It's the sound of whatever pop stuff is going on now. It's nothing different. Crappy drum machine. I'm not a big fan of the drum machine, at least not in general. In regular stuff. In some other music, maybe in my po. It does nothing for me. If that came on the radio or came on anywhere. But I would be turning that off quicker than I can spit. It's not for me anyway, which is totally fine, but I don't like it. [02:20:36] Speaker C: 23. [02:20:39] Speaker B: I could almost understand that he doesn't want to maybe do the rock thing because. Maybe. [02:20:47] Speaker C: But that could be where the other thing comes in, though. [02:20:50] Speaker B: Or the suspect who await. [02:20:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that. Robert Trujillo's son. And who was the other guy? [02:21:01] Speaker B: Who was the other son's son? [02:21:05] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know that they're going to be doing songs like this. [02:21:08] Speaker B: Okay. I think I found something. Let's see if this works. I'm curious now to hear what the other thing sound like because I didn't like that. So maybe the rock stuff will be better. Maybe. We think. [02:21:23] Speaker C: That was kind of catchy, though. [02:21:25] Speaker B: Well, I'm not saying it's not catchy, but. Yeah, but everything. [02:21:27] Speaker C: No, believe me. [02:21:29] Speaker B: Fucking way. [02:21:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's nothing. Where? [02:21:36] Speaker B: So this was their first single. Long awaited. Let's see what this sounds like. [02:21:40] Speaker C: When was this? [02:21:42] Speaker B: Hold on. [02:21:43] Speaker C: This year? [02:21:45] Speaker B: Hold on. Two years ago. So he's probably not doing this anymore. So let's see. Here we go. [02:21:54] Speaker A: She tries hard to get me they keep in accepting it's killing me. So sexy we're saying so sexy wish I should I day I can't let you go because I'm too in love with you. [02:22:50] Speaker B: He sounds more like him there. [02:22:52] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. He's like, you want me to sound like my dad? Here you go. [02:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah, but the song is not that great. [02:22:58] Speaker C: You know what the production is really. But I mean, this sounds like a garage demo. [02:23:04] Speaker B: Here's another one. This is called all Black. Let's see what this sounds like. [02:23:20] Speaker A: You look up with a different. Cause you look pretty when you just like that kissing now. Pretty young girl got a body in a. [02:23:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not really particularly fond of that. [02:23:51] Speaker C: That bass is like nonstop, man. [02:23:57] Speaker B: Yeah. There's nothing spectacular about that. Whatever. Maybe that's why he's doing his own stuff. Maybe. Who knows? [02:24:10] Speaker C: I like that song better than the first one. [02:24:14] Speaker B: I don't like any of that. It is what it is. [02:24:19] Speaker C: Their albums are not going to be on the list. [02:24:21] Speaker B: I don't think so, actually. [02:24:22] Speaker C: I don't even know if they made an album. [02:24:24] Speaker B: They probably haven't. So what are we thinking? Are we happy we got this? I'm happy we got this. [02:24:30] Speaker C: Yeah. I was very happy that, like I said, I had ignored this era of SCP. I really wanted to listen to it, so I'm glad that we did it in this form. [02:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. I haven't heard this in a long time, but I liked it. Like I said, I like 99% of the record. The end slacked off a little bit, but even when the parts I didn't like at the end, the music was still good. And even if the song could have been better, there was parts of it that I still liked. [02:25:04] Speaker C: Yeah, no, but that's what I'm saying. That last song was more about knowing what was there for me personally. I mean, again, everybody's entitled to their own opinion because someone could be like, oh, it's perfect the way it is. Absolutely. I just feel that there was something lacking for something that was strong. Yeah, well, it's more of a compliment to them than anything else. [02:25:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it turned you around. [02:25:28] Speaker C: No, but I'm saying the fact that, like I said, the last song, I felt, you know what I mean? It's one thing if you're like, oh, that song sucks. But if you say, oh, there's something good there, why didn't you do it this way? It sounded like you would have done for all the other songs he didn't do for this. [02:25:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so I guess next week we're going to be spinning again. Woohoo. Spin time. Spin the wheel. I didn't even try to guess what we were going to get here and we got something. [02:25:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think we even tried guessing. [02:26:00] Speaker B: No, we didn't even try. [02:26:03] Speaker C: I don't know what I would have said. [02:26:04] Speaker B: So, Frank, what do you think? [02:26:07] Speaker D: For what? The song? [02:26:09] Speaker B: No, just this album in know, it's. [02:26:13] Speaker D: Not my favorite SCP album. It's not by a long shot, but it's definitely great to a lot of the songs that perform, the music, the engineering, everything about it. So I enjoy it. It's one of those albums I will listen to again at some point, but not in my top. Like, I need to listen to this city right now kind of situation. So that's my takeaway. But yeah. Overall, STP, one of my favorite bands, trying to think. I think this is the band I've seen the most live at six going each and every time that they perform, making sure they cast. So I enjoyed the whole thing and enjoyed this podcast, especially because of my connection to STP overall. [02:27:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I said, I think they're my favorite rock band out of the 90s. I've heard this in a long time, so I was happy to get it. And I'm happy that sav got to listen to it because he ignored that. So it was good for him, too. [02:27:29] Speaker D: And by the way, sav, what was the album that you never heard from before that we were all shocked by? What was it? [02:27:34] Speaker C: Oh, velvet. [02:27:36] Speaker D: Okay, velvet. You know what? We're going to have to do a listening part of my apartment this weekend. [02:27:41] Speaker C: Hey, listen, maybe look him up next week. I mean, it's him, but we can still do it. It's a different band. [02:27:46] Speaker B: Yeah, this is very true. Yes, it does count as a different band. [02:27:49] Speaker C: Exactly. It trumps the ten, because just like when we did David Lee Roth. [02:27:55] Speaker D: All right, well, maybe. Hey, listen, if it doesn't come up in the next two weeks, we're going to have to do a listening party by place. Well, I still have it. Come and enjoy the place. I still have it. We could do a podcast out of here. I have the, you know, food for thought. [02:28:20] Speaker B: Food for thought. All right, sad, what do you think? [02:28:24] Speaker C: Yeah, so we are part of the Deep Dive podcast network again. Like I always say, great bunch of guys stick us in right away. And more individualized podcasts for those bands that you love, like Queen Maiden, Tom Petty. I just saw a very good documentary about the making of wildflowers, which was really good because that's a solid album. We don't have Tom Petty where sad swear. Like I said, we definitely throw them on. [02:28:48] Speaker B: Oh, they're on the list. [02:28:50] Speaker C: Where did you see that? It's on Amazon. [02:28:55] Speaker D: What is it called? [02:28:57] Speaker C: It's called somewhere you feel free, I believe, which is a line from Wildflowers, a song. [02:29:04] Speaker D: Okay, thank you. [02:29:06] Speaker C: It's really good. It's about an hour and a half, but it goes through each song and the stuff that wasn't on the original record that he released later on. So it talks about him and it's actually got his daughters in there and it's post death. So the musicians who were part of the band and the recording also talk about him post mortem. So it's good. I mean, it goes by quickly. And like I said, it's a great album if you guys have never heard. Yeah, but he's on the network again. Shout out to the rush rash guys who are on. [02:29:49] Speaker B: Doing. [02:29:49] Speaker D: How those guys doing, Mark? You talked to them? [02:29:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I haven't talked to him. I'm trying to figure out time to get on this show. We got to figure out. Okay, yeah. [02:30:01] Speaker D: You know what would be cool? That we do documentaries of books that we read as a one off show one day. [02:30:07] Speaker C: Listen, we're trying to do the one off, the yoga one off show. Oh, shit. [02:30:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:30:13] Speaker C: For the three Kings. [02:30:14] Speaker D: We're going to do that one off show. That one off show is going to be three Kings special edition. Three Kings day. [02:30:20] Speaker C: Yeah, but Mark, where can they find us? On the interwebs. [02:30:26] Speaker B: On the interwebs. Rockwood pod, all the social media. Rockwoodpodcast.com. Again, remember, we have our Spotify playlists and so all the songs that we voted here, which is almost going to be the whole record, I think at this point, will probably be up on the Spotify list. [02:30:41] Speaker D: Yep, sounds good. [02:30:43] Speaker B: And yeah, drop us a know, share the podcast out, leave us five star ratings where, if you liked us, wherever you guys listen to your podcasts. [02:30:55] Speaker D: How about four stars? We start with that. [02:30:57] Speaker B: How about five stars? But I'd like five stars better. [02:31:03] Speaker D: Yeah, I appreciate three. [02:31:04] Speaker C: We had a big jump though, right, recently, Mark. [02:31:07] Speaker B: Yeah. On the listenership listening, hopefully. [02:31:10] Speaker C: So everybody who listens, thank you so much. [02:31:13] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you. Without you listening, we'd be just talking to ourselves. [02:31:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Which we actually thought was going to be. [02:31:19] Speaker D: We actually do anyway, right. We talk to ourselves a lot. [02:31:21] Speaker B: Pretty much, yeah, we do. [02:31:25] Speaker D: Thank you, everybody. [02:31:26] Speaker B: Thank you. So we can stop rambling. We will see you next week. [02:31:30] Speaker D: Thank you so much. Oh, we spin the wheel next week. [02:31:34] Speaker B: Next week's wheel spin. [02:31:35] Speaker D: Yeah. So join us. We spin the wheel. [02:31:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:31:38] Speaker A: All right. [02:31:39] Speaker B: See you later. [02:31:40] Speaker D: Later. Bye. Ciao.