Episode 83 - Judas Priest - Rocka Rolla (Part 1)

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That's right, the Crazy Ass podcast that took 1200 albums as of this week, thanks to mark adding more and more to the list, which makes the wheel even bigger. And we stuck, like we said, all those albums into a list, and then we stuck them in a wheel. And typically of the week, she picks an album for us and we go through a track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics and the production, and we give it a rating just based on our own personal opinions. Again, just a bunch of friends who want to do a podcast, who love music. And that's what we do. And again, first and foremost, we want to thank all anybody who listens. Again, if you like it, drop us a post, comment, criticize, whatever it is you know, we'll shout back, without a doubt. We'll definitely reach out to everybody who reaches out to us and keep listening. And if you like it, spread the word, say, hey, listen to these idiots. They're kind of funny sometimes, and sometimes they drop a bit of real knowledge. So tonight we are duo again. I have Mark. [00:02:13] Speaker C: Oh, hi, Mark. What's up, guys? [00:02:14] Speaker B: And I'm Sav. Ciao, buena Sierra. So last week we wrapped up kings of Leon. What was the name of the album? [00:02:21] Speaker C: Mark? [00:02:21] Speaker B: I can always forget. [00:02:23] Speaker C: See, now you're gonna. Now you're gonna put. Now you're gonna put me on the. [00:02:25] Speaker B: I know. [00:02:27] Speaker C: Why do I. Only by the night. There you go. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Only by the night. That's it. Which I thought was a random album. Turns out it has, at least as far as we know, the two biggest songs that they've had. And I mean, overall it was good. I think me personally, the first side was a little bit stronger. I think overall, I do like their songs. I just feel like they kind of stay in the same place a bit too much for me. So I think what they do is cool, but when it just kind of doesn't go anywhere, at least for me. I like dynamics, but, I mean, production was good, the voice is good, musicianship is good, especially the bass. I mean, that guy is really good, and he definitely take center stage in that band. But I do like what the guitar player does in the background as well. So overall, I do find them pretty interesting, and I would definitely be curious to hear more stuff from them. What was your take, Mark? [00:03:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I liked it. I agree with you, though, that some of the songs kind of stayed in the same place and they didn't really go anywhere. But, you know, I like, generally, I like what they do. I think the first side was definitely stronger than the second side, so. But I want to hear more. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I was very curious to hear more. They have it. They have a new song out. Have you heard it? [00:03:35] Speaker C: No, I haven't heard yet. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah, split screen. I actually heard it yesterday. And it's the same thing where it kind of develops this really good idea and doesn't go anywhere. Like, it's really pretty much just. And it's actually a longer song. I think it's almost five minutes, if not five minutes, but it's pretty much the same. And again, it's cool. So the foundation of it, like the other songs that kind of didn't go anywhere is really cool. Again, the bass is up front, the guitar player is doing some cool stuff. Drums are a little weak, I think. They're not really drums per se. They're kind of noises. But check it out. I mean, it's. It's a. It's a good song, I think, overall, but I just wish it kind of went places, so. But, yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad we got them. [00:04:21] Speaker C: Yeah, me too. I mean, obviously we knew two of the songs on that album. You know, on the first side, the second side was a total. I don't know anything about stuff, so that was good. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, um. So we get to spin the wheel again tonight. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Which is always fun. [00:04:40] Speaker C: It's always fun. Are you gonna happen? [00:04:42] Speaker B: Are you feeling anything? Are you wanting anything? [00:04:48] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm feeling eighties again, but I don't know. I don't know what kind of eighties. [00:04:56] Speaker B: I'm thinking classic or some crazy because she's. Last couple of times she's picked crazy, right? I mean, she picked this. I mean, not crazy. Listen, obviously kings of Leon with those two songs. Those are two pretty massive songs, so. But kind of in our thing, I guess it would a little bit out of that and even when it picked King's x, it really wasn't one of their major albums. [00:05:24] Speaker C: So it tends to do that. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:27] Speaker C: Every once in a while it picks big albums, but most of the time it's like, oh, you want to listen to them? Well, let's listen to this record which no one listens to. Not that no one's listens to, but that you may not be familiar with. Let's put it that way. Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Or let me pick a band that you only have one album. One or two albums as opposed to, like, 20. [00:05:45] Speaker C: Well, when I picked Kings and Leon, it was only one of their albums on there. Added more. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Yeah, they're part of the 1200. [00:05:53] Speaker C: Yeah. But then there's other bands with 20 albums, you know, 15 albums on there and hasn't never picked that yet. So I gotta tell you, I'll say about the wheel. The wheel does what it wants. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Bon Jovi in recent picks was. Was. It was a surprise to me just how popular that was. And the fact that it was picked. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Yeah, that. That was a big record. So that was actually a good one that we had. [00:06:15] Speaker B: So it was a good one. [00:06:17] Speaker C: The last couple have been. Well, the last one that was a little, you know, since we only have one album on there by them, I was surprised we got that and the other two. So, yeah, we're gonna see. I'm ready to spin because I'm ready. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Let's see what she does. [00:06:34] Speaker C: I'm gonna get on to the next chapter of this, so. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:06:39] Speaker C: All righty. So can you see the wheel? [00:06:41] Speaker B: I can see it. I see her. [00:06:44] Speaker C: And so here we go. [00:07:06] Speaker B: So we got Judas Priest, Rockarola, which is one of the original albums. [00:07:15] Speaker C: I know nothing about that. I mean, I know. I know priest stuff from the eighties and stuff, but I don't really know. Is this eighties? [00:07:26] Speaker B: This is actually 70, 1974. [00:07:31] Speaker D: Wow. [00:07:32] Speaker C: I didn't even. You know, it's so weird. I didn't realize they went back that far. [00:07:36] Speaker B: I only realized because one time I saw this record in the. In a record store one time, and obviously Rockarola is like Coca Cola and it's actually a bottle cap on the COVID I was like, who the hell is this Judas priest? What? [00:07:58] Speaker C: Wow. And who is. And who is the actually banned on this? So, I mean, I don't. I don't know the original. I mean, obviously, Rob Halford, Glenn Tipton, KK Downing, Ian Hill. I mean, he's the original bassist, right? [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:13] Speaker C: And John Hinch. I don't know. [00:08:15] Speaker B: I don't really know John. [00:08:16] Speaker C: I mean, 73 to 75. [00:08:19] Speaker B: And then I think once his name came in, less Binks, I think, came. [00:08:22] Speaker C: In after him and produced by Roger Bain. So he produced Black Sabbath, Budgie, and Judas Priest in the seventies. This isn't gonna be interesting because, like, I know nothing. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Budgie is actually a big new wave of british heavy metal that a lot of the guys talk about, like Metallica. They're. They were like, when you look at these, especially, like, the thrash influences, their name comes up a lot. [00:08:45] Speaker C: Hmm. [00:08:47] Speaker B: So I'm pretty sure there's no painkillers on here. [00:08:51] Speaker C: This is a huge band, so. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they just released the record. I mean, they're still alive. [00:08:57] Speaker C: I know, but. But it's so. It's just so interesting that. That we would get, like, this album. But you were right. [00:09:03] Speaker B: What did we just say? Right? I mean, we literally just said that she picks the weird stuff, so. But you know what, though? I think stuff like this sometimes garners interest. People like, oh, nobody's really talked about this album in a while. Or other than I'm sure the groups talk about it. [00:09:23] Speaker C: Well, obviously our deep dive podcast network mates, Judas Priest cast, they do Judah Priest, so I'm sure they've talked about tracks on this album before. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So apparently Glenn Tipton had just joined when this album. [00:09:42] Speaker C: This is their first album. [00:09:45] Speaker B: Oh, is it? It is their first one. [00:09:48] Speaker C: Yep. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Yes, it is. I thought it was, but I don't want to say it because I also said that I want to be sedated was on the Ramon's debut album, and it turns out to be number four. I didn't scroll up enough on Wikipedia. That was a problem. [00:10:04] Speaker C: Suppose this album was played live in the studio, so that's probably gonna make it good just for that. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Clinton's first album, I believe. Oh, he just. Well, it's their first album. Sorry. He had just joined. [00:10:18] Speaker C: Hmm. So they had a lot. The band had filed a lawsuit with the Coca Cola company. The original bottle cap album cover was initially intended by designer John Pash for use, but an unspecified Rolling Stones album. The reissue cover art, blah, blah, blah. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah, the reissue cover art, I don't know if you can see it has nothing to do with the original cover. It's actually really funny. [00:10:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. I can say it's weird. [00:10:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, the other one is blatantly Coca Cola. [00:10:55] Speaker C: None of these songs have really been played supposedly since. And I don't know if this is true, which is going by Wikipedia, that they haven't been played since the seventies. Just the mid to late seventies, although Rob Halford solo band played never satisfied in 2003, and then rock and roller was performed for the first time since 76 at Bloodstock Open air in 2021. So they haven't really been playing very. They don't play this very often. [00:11:23] Speaker B: So I don't know what it says. Rob Halford made a brief explanation before performing never satisfied, which is on the second side during the Epitaph tour, as there were a few blank stares from the audience while performing the song. So their own fans didn't even know this? [00:11:41] Speaker C: Well, I mean, I'm sure the. The really big fans. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Well, yeah, yeah, but. Yeah, but think about the scorpions, too, right? I mean, they had a few, at least one or two in the seventies, I would say. Right. [00:11:55] Speaker C: More than that. Again, it's. That's another band, which I know about, but I don't know anything in depth. Wow. I can't. Boy, the wheel gives us weird stuff. Not weird stuff, but stuff that we would never really listen to. Like, this is. I would never put this on. [00:12:19] Speaker B: I mean, like I said, I've knew of this. I didn't. I don't think. I may have at one point kind of gone through it on YouTube somewhere, but I couldn't tell you a single thing. So I'm very curious. [00:12:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm super curious. Cool. Well, does it again? [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we just said. And she listened the weird shit. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see. I'm trying to just make sure I got all things here. One. All right, so are you ready for this? [00:13:07] Speaker B: I'm ready. [00:13:08] Speaker C: All right, so this one's called one for the road. Now, I knew this was going to be different because obviously it's a 74, so it's not as metal. [00:13:48] Speaker B: So I'm curious, but it's kind of cool little groove, right? It's kind of a little off groove. [00:13:54] Speaker C: Mm hmm. It's interesting to, um. It's interesting to hear. I'm just curious how this is gonna go. All right, here we go. [00:14:14] Speaker D: You wouldn't be nowhere, wouldn't be here you would ever know. Shall we not show us the way. [00:14:45] Speaker C: So you can kind of hear, like, his. What his vocals are going to do later. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's him. [00:14:50] Speaker C: Right? [00:14:50] Speaker B: It's. You hear this, you're like, that's Halford. [00:14:54] Speaker C: Yeah, obviously. It's not Judas Priest, like painkiller Judas Priest. No. Or any of the stuff that, you know, is super popular that you've heard before. So this is definitely, like, super. [00:15:07] Speaker D: I mean. [00:15:08] Speaker B: I mean, some of the slower stuff from the like british steel. And I don't think it's maybe stuff that I have. [00:15:17] Speaker C: Maybe stuff that I haven't heard. Like, this band, too, is, for me, it's a greatest hits band for me. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, generally, I don't know a lot of stuff either from them, but, I mean, they're definitely albums that I've heard straight through. [00:15:35] Speaker C: All right, so do you want to hear one? [00:15:38] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:39] Speaker C: Okay. Where would you be without music? You would be nowhere at all. We wouldn't be here doing this now if we weren't having a ball. One for the road sharing our load show us the way that's the chorus. I'm not. You know, I like the little vibe. I don't know if. I don't know how much I like the vocal melody yet, but maybe we'll grow on me a little bit. I don't know what I'm listening to here. So I'm going into this, like, super. This is, like, for me, like a new found thing. [00:16:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Because, you know, back in the day, when you had to buy music, you know, you had to pick and choose what you were gonna buy. A teenager. I would never buy this. [00:16:21] Speaker B: No. [00:16:21] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you'd have to be. [00:16:22] Speaker B: A fan of the bands, right? I mean, I think as a fan of the band, you go, you're. [00:16:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:25] Speaker B: You know, like, obviously, when you feel like kids, and even if you didn't know, you're like, oh, kids debut. I have to buy this because I'm a fan. And, you know, whoever it was, I was never a massive Judas priest fan. I can appreciate some of the stuff more now, I think, than I did before, and actually saw the making of. Was it british steel? It was on behind them, not behind the music, but the classic albums. So that was pretty cool, watching that. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I think that, um. I think this is, uh. This is, for me, gonna be a big experience, because I have never really listened to this, especially stuff, like, from first album. Like, never. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:09] Speaker C: All right, here we go. [00:17:31] Speaker D: And we have a self forgot sharing alone. Show us the way. [00:17:58] Speaker C: So he's gonna be a solo coming up. [00:17:59] Speaker B: So I do think the chorus needs another line. I think it should be four lines instead of three. [00:18:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. [00:18:07] Speaker B: It just cuts. Right. And even though they do that little guitar thing, I just think it needs another. [00:18:12] Speaker C: Well, they do the guitar thing instead of the last vocal line. [00:18:17] Speaker B: Yeah. But I think they could at least say one for the road again. It just feels like it just kind of stops abruptly for me. I do like the rhythm in the first, do you? Yeah, like, with the music that's going on. I was just following it on drums. It's cool. It's kind of like this weird little. [00:18:41] Speaker C: Yeah. They got rid of this drummer, I guess, because they thought he wasn't going to be able to handle the latest stuff that's they've been going to do. Probably not, but. So here's the second verse. Can you imagine the silence? Not even the pink or white noise? Well, thankfully we've got the license to have us some fun with the boys. One for the road sharing our load. Show us the way. So basically, Snyder is a popular band, right? He can has a license to lift your mood up in the air because with the music, which is kind of very, very popular sentiment, especially in this time. Yeah, I think too. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, very popular. [00:19:26] Speaker C: He's saying a lot about that kind of stuff, too, so it makes a lot of sense. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Yeah, because that's the thing, too. Right. A lot of these bands, they weren't. They had been around. [00:19:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:35] Speaker B: So they developed a fan base and places that they played. So they're not writing just from, hey, would it be cool if we just wrote. Not like when we did it, we wrote about playing in front of people and crowds or whatever, in front of nobody. [00:19:55] Speaker C: Well, I'm sure that. I'm sure that they had their. Everyone, every band has that time, so they weren't always playing in front of people either, so. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Oh, no, no. [00:20:04] Speaker C: Now I'm curious to see what the. With the solo stuff's gonna be like. So I backed it up a little bit. Let's see, guitar solo time. See, it's just so funny because my perception of Judas Priest is always the other stuff, the heavier stuff, the. You know what I mean? The more like in your face guitar solo. Right? That's so, like, seventies. It's so weird for me to hear that this is even Judas Priest, just for me. I don't. I'm not saying I hate it. [00:21:20] Speaker B: That was good. I mean, I think it was bad. I think it was a little low in the mix. I would have liked it a little bit louder, I think. [00:21:25] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I'm sure they didn't have a lot of money. And like I said, a lot of this, I think, was recorded. Recorded, you know, together. So I don't know how much over dubbing was. Was here in this record. I'm sure there was some. But it's just. It's just interesting to hear, like, this. This Judas Priest has been like, not my first, but like, for an album, the first album we get from Judas Priest, it's this album. It's so weird for me. [00:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah. But I mean, honestly, keep something in this. This in mind. If we get something again, like British Steel, the other, which I can never. I can't remember the name, but when you. When you hear some of the slower stuff on there, some of the more melodic stuff, it's not too far from something like this. So I don't know if there's gonna be more stuff like, you know, I mean, like the breaking the law stuff, let's say. So not the super heavy stuff they kind of went into or heavier stuff for them, but kind of stuff like that. So I don't know what's coming up there could be, because I read that they said there's shades of what they would be kind of going towards, but this does. I mean, having heard full albums from them before, they really kind of went into heavier stuff. It does kind of remind me of something that they would. [00:22:37] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. I know nothing of that stuff. [00:22:39] Speaker B: But even if you think, like, metal gods, right, the song metal gods, I mean, it's kind of a melodic mid tempo. [00:22:47] Speaker C: No, but this, to me, this is so seventies. Like seventies rock. It's like, wow. I like. I don't. I don't put those two things together. I don't put Judas Priest and this music together. It's like, it's free. I mean, I know it's Rob Alford and I know guitar players. It's just weird. [00:23:04] Speaker B: Did you like the song? [00:23:05] Speaker C: He's okay. I mean, it's nothing. I mean, what? I go, no, I'm not looking to put. I'm not looking to put down Judas priest, you understand? But it's not something that I went, oh, my God, it's amazing solo. It's just. It's like, eh. And again, there are. Who knows how old they are here. You mean the young guys that kind of guitar playing had not come yet, right? [00:23:31] Speaker B: So had you ever. I mean, I don't. I know Tipton and Downing, obviously, they were together for a while and were they ever on your radar as. [00:23:43] Speaker C: Oh, no, I knew about them without. [00:23:45] Speaker B: No, but I'm saying from. From a point of. Yeah, yeah, they do some good. [00:23:50] Speaker C: Yeah. The stuff that I had heard later on. Of course. Yeah, yeah, of course. But. But this to me is just like. Was just. It's just very. Yeah. Again, it's. It's like. It's like the music that. I mean, the music, it's a little plotty. It's I get a little bit of, like, what I want to say. I get a little bit of which McCall Black Sabbath vibes a little bit, maybe because of the plottiness and some of his vocal parts until he goes high, but some of his. Some of those phrasing in the line sounds a little bit like that to me. I don't know why that's what, that's what's in my head, but. Yeah, no, I mean. I mean, it wasn't horrible. It's just. It's in my head. I'm. I think probably, you know, the later Judas priest stuff that I know, you know, the popular things that I would. Things that would come on and. And that I think that. Or Judas Priest. This is like. This doesn't feel like Judas Priest to me. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I mean, I like, ramp it down or. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't even know that. I'm so. I'm so. I am so a hits Judas Priest guy. It's not even funny. All right, let's. Let's continue. I'm just curious to see, uh, how this is. I'm curious to see how the rest of album goes too, cuz I'm sure. I'm sure it hasn't changed a little bit, I'm guessing. So I wonder how metal this gets. Probably not as much as I'm thinking. [00:25:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's a little bit more subdued. [00:25:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Which. Which is fine. Yeah, I'm just. I was. It's just weird for me, that's all. Here we go. [00:25:58] Speaker D: See you walk on the road sharing our road show us the way. [00:27:21] Speaker C: Would I be wrong to say that has a little bit of a deep purple thing going on, too? [00:27:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I could hear some of that. I was gonna say that before, actually. [00:27:30] Speaker C: I don't. I don't hate it. I think it's good. It's just. It's just for me, I'm thinking, you know, Judas Priest is more of a metal thing. [00:27:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:39] Speaker C: And I'm. I. I do like the groove. The groove is really good. And you can see what sort of like when we did the cheap trick record. This is a band trying to. Trying to figure what their sounds gonna be right there. I mean, we'll wait till we hear a couple more songs, but I'm starting to think that's like, that's their first record, you know, very few bands come out with their first record and they're fully formed by what they're gonna be. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Around a long time. [00:28:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how long they were together before this happened. Does it say when they started? They formed in 69 with nobody from this band on it. So that's what it looks like anyway. So, yeah, so it kind of makes. It kind of makes sense. Like, you take an album like Van Halen. Van Halen. Van Halen's fully formed. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:39] Speaker C: You don't mean. Even though they went through a little bit of changes, but they were what they were right from the get go. Like, I don't think that's what this is. Well, I don't think, like, you trick was that way either. In on the record. [00:28:50] Speaker B: We did well, at least not yet. We only know one song so far, so I don't know what else. I don't know what else is coming. [00:28:58] Speaker C: Yeah. For the one song. [00:29:00] Speaker B: I mean, I don't. I don't know that I would have made this the album opener. [00:29:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a little. It's a little plotty. [00:29:06] Speaker B: It's good, though. I mean, I. Overall, I enjoyed it. I don't think it's a good. [00:29:11] Speaker C: And it's nice to actually hear drums sound like drums, which is good. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I know. Exactly. 50 years ago. [00:29:18] Speaker C: 50 years ago, yeah. So, right. So this is the verse. The melody line is fascinating. The rhythm is something divine. It sends our adrenaline racing to see you all moving so fine. It's so seventies lyricy. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely got that. [00:29:36] Speaker C: It definitely has. So why don't you go first? Tell me what you think. [00:29:41] Speaker B: I mean, lyrics are. I'm gonna start with the music. I think the music. I'll give the music a seven. I like that it was all. I mean, I wish I kind of got a little bit away from it at times. Maybe even at the end, kind of just maybe gone into a straight beat just to change it up a bit. But, I mean, overall, that was kind of grooving, kind of bopping my head. So I'll say seven on that. I'll say seven on the production. I think it's good. I think everything is clear. It's definitely got that seventies vibe to it. You can hear everything again. I wish the solo was a little bit more upfront, but it's clean. And lyrics, we'll say six on the lyrics. Honestly, I was going to say five just because. Mean, they're not great, but I'll give it a six, just at least from the sentiment. And, I mean, obviously, having been in bands, we can kind of relate to what they're saying. I mean, we did play in front of crowds a few times, so we kind of understand that sentiment. So. But not bad. I mean, again, I don't know that it would have chosen as an opener, but it depends on what else is. What else is coming. So, what do you think? [00:30:54] Speaker D: Um. [00:30:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm gonna say. I mean, I like the sentiment in the lyrics. I don't think lyrics are great, but I'd like what they're trying to say in it. It's very seventies. It's all seventies. Bands kind of did that especially, you know, almost every band does that. Even if you don't have an audience yet. You played like you have an audience or bigger than you have to, right? [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's fine. Yeah. I'll do seven on the music and seven on the production. I wish the solo was a little bit louder. The music is fine. It's good. I like the groove. No guitar playing wise, is it anything like what I heard later on from them? No, but, you know, again, it's a different time frame, too. I mean, you're talking probably a good decade, right? Or eight years, seven years before it starts to get more medley, more hard. So I'm curious to see what the next song is. Is rock a roller? I'm curious to see what. What this sounds like. [00:31:50] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe it's a balanced. [00:31:53] Speaker C: Is it rock and roller? [00:31:54] Speaker B: Yeah, rock and rolling. [00:31:57] Speaker C: We shall see. All right, so here we go. So this is rock a roll up. [00:32:17] Speaker D: Fanny the mama spring driven him up socks and I'm from now boys takes no mess and all in wrestling there's one of her body she's a classy, flashy lassie and she sapphire shine two face light up hold on fire but I know that flame has mine rock Corolla Roma for a rock. [00:33:38] Speaker C: I wasn't expecting the guitar solo to be that early in the song. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it just came in. [00:33:43] Speaker C: It came out of nowhere. [00:33:45] Speaker B: How long is the song? [00:33:47] Speaker C: Um, three or three, so. Sure. [00:33:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:51] Speaker C: I was, like, part of that beginning riff. You can start. You hear a little bit of the metal. A little bit. [00:33:58] Speaker B: Mmm. [00:33:59] Speaker C: And then it's. But it. But it's really seventies. It's really seventies. Seventies. Like I said, there's a little bit of. There's a little bit of deep purple in there. Right. Sort of, kinda. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Even. I heard. [00:34:12] Speaker C: I heard a little AC DC sort of kind in there, too. [00:34:16] Speaker B: Some of that. [00:34:17] Speaker C: In some of the. In some of the. And some of the lyric stuff. I don't know if it was. She's a classy, flashy lassie. You don't hear that very often. So, um. Man eating mama steam driven hammer sorts the men out from the boys. Takes no messing all in wrestling. It's one of her pride and joys. She's a classy, flashy lassie. Imitation sapphire shine. Two faced liar, full of fire. But I know the flame is mine. Rock a roller woman for a rock a roller man? You can take her if you want her? If you think you can rock and roll a woman for a rock and roll a man? You can take her if you want her, if you can. No, take her? You can take her if you want her? You can take her. Please. [00:35:09] Speaker B: So, definitely seventies sounding lyrics here. [00:35:14] Speaker C: She, you know, the imitation sapphire. Like, she keeps up appearances. She's not really a sapphire. She's imitation. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Two faced liar. [00:35:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, yeah. And she has this. She has the shine of the sapphire, but she's not really a sapphire. [00:35:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:32] Speaker C: So it's interesting. And then the solo, you know, again, the solo to me is first, you know, band trying to figure out what they're gonna be. It's not really. It's not really as hard as the stuff that's later. I don't know. Can you say it's as. I mean, you know, I don't want to piss off the Judas Pierce people. But can you say it's as good as the stuff that's later on? Or even the stuff contemporary time? Right. I mean, 74. What else do we have? I mean, deep purple's here now, right? [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, Sabbath, you have obviously. Right. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Arrowsmith's around this point. Right. First records already out, isn't it? [00:36:07] Speaker B: I think so. Yeah, I think. Well, I think it was like 73. 74. [00:36:11] Speaker C: Yeah. So. So I don't know if the guitar playing is better than that stuff. I mean, just maybe. [00:36:18] Speaker D: I mean. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Well, you figure. What's the thing they said? Just. He came in right before the recording, right? [00:36:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:23] Speaker B: So I'm sure that contributes to it. Kind of trying to find your place. Especially if these guys were established and haven't written these songs. Even though they said he brought in some stuff. But they didn't. They didn't use all of it. I think it was a producer saying either this heavy or just. They feel like you kind of fit the groove of the record. And they kind of wind up using it later. Yeah, I mean, I'm not feeling this one as much. But, I don't know, maybe it'll grow on me. I mean, it's not bad, but. [00:36:59] Speaker C: I. [00:37:00] Speaker B: Like the first one better. [00:37:01] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, you know, it's interesting. Again, it's interesting to see a band that, you know, what they turn into later and, like, what this is. Right? So it's pretty. It's pretty cool to see, kind of see that. All right, here we go. Harmonica. Yeah. [00:37:20] Speaker B: I think Rob half replays the harmonica. [00:37:22] Speaker C: Yeah, but I wasn't expecting harmonica. [00:37:24] Speaker B: I know, but it's funny because I think I actually read that before going into this. So had I not known it, even knowing it, I'm like, oh, shit, where did that come from? [00:37:33] Speaker C: It's weird. All right, here we go. [00:38:01] Speaker D: Ten part a night rock and roller moment for a rock and roller man. You can tinker if you wanna, if you think you can rock a roller woman for a rock roller man. You can rock a roll of man ticker if you wanna, rock a roller if you want. [00:38:52] Speaker B: That's why the soul was so early. [00:38:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I could see. I wasn't expecting the solo to happen. I was like, oh. And once it started, I didn't want to stop it. So I was like, okay. [00:39:03] Speaker B: I think it's. I mean, for lack of a better word, kind of. I get the groupie vibe, right? Like, she's a rockarolla woman if you're a rock a roller man. Like, that's kind of. She goes for the rock stars, but she's a tough one, though. [00:39:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I'm gonna read the second layer, the second, uh, verse lyrics. It's, um. She's a grip and choke, ya heavy smoker. Um, wrong side of the law, midnight shady good time lady heavy. Ready? Show you what for. Bar room fighter, ten pint and nighter. Definitely a 99 diamond cluster. Knuckle duster, feline on the borderline. So she's tough, she drinks ten heights a night. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:50] Speaker C: She gets in fights, she's rough, she gets drunk. She gets fighting. So she's like, yeah, you want to come take her? If you think you can do it, go ahead, have a good time. [00:39:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but she left, guys. Right? I think that's what it is. I mean, like I said, maybe it's not the exact word, but I think she. That's the kind of guy she goes for. [00:40:10] Speaker C: Yes. Well, she's rough and touchy. She wants the rough and tough guy, too. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:14] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm gonna say six on the lyrics again. I mean, you know, it's probably not the best stuff he's ever written. Obviously, it's very early in their career they're trying to straighten, figure out what they're gonna be. Obviously, they're not gonna stay in this kind of vein. I don't know how long they stay in this kind of vein, because I don't know very much about them. And this being the first record, I don't know, kind of where they're at musicianship. I mean, I liked a little riff. I thought the riff was good, the solo was fine. You know, it was nothing. I go, oh, my God, listen. You gotta listen to this guitar player. No, that's not what this is. That's not what this is for me. So, again, seven on the music, seven on production. I think it's on par with the song prior. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:59] Speaker C: So, I mean, I don't hate it. I mean, it's got a little good. That has a good groove in it. So, what do you think? [00:41:08] Speaker B: I'm not feeling this one as much as the other one. So because I gave. I was almost thinking seven on the lyrics, but because I like some of the lines. But I'll say six music. I'm gonna say six because I don't like it as much as the other one. It's not bad. Like, it kind of grew in me a little bit more as it. As it progressed. But I do think the first one is better. So in comparison, I have to production on c six, I felt it was a little. It was lacking a little bit, even though the first part with the solo was kind of cool. But I just feel like it needed to. It needed more oomph, and I think that would have made it a better song. And maybe I'm expecting too much at this point, but not necessarily. I don't. You know what I mean? I mean, not necessarily, because none of us complained about the Black Sabbath production and that album. I forgot when it was. But I think, um. They could be a little bit more. For a band that wants to sound like this. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Well, I don't know if they knew what they wanted. [00:42:17] Speaker B: I know that's the thing. Right. But I just felt like it could have had a little bit more. [00:42:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, and you can hear. I mean. Yeah, and you can hear, like, him trying to do some stuff. Like, he had some of the high vocals behind him, which is pretty cool. Like, he was doing the high stuff. So he's trying to. He's trying to figure out what he wants to be. Now, the next bunch of songs on my music thing here are all lumped together, so. Which is winter, deep freeze, winter retreat, cheater. They're all in one track here. I don't know why. So we're gonna see how this works. So the first one's gonna be winter. I'm gonna. I have the lyrics we'll figure out where. Where it is. So I don't. I don't know how this all goes together. I don't know if we're separated on the record. I'm sure it looked like it was separated by track on the record. But here, right here, it's all lumped into one thing. So I have no idea. Maybe it's just the way they put this together. I don't know. [00:43:08] Speaker B: Could be right? [00:43:10] Speaker C: Let's see here. Here we go. So this is winter, by the way, when this was released, this was in quadraphonic, cutting edge set from 74. I don't think I've ever heard. I don't think I ever heard quadrifonic. [00:43:32] Speaker B: I heard a quadraphinia by the who. I know. [00:43:36] Speaker C: So it was supposedly there was like four speakers. The sound move around, kind of like surround sound is now, I guess, but I never heard back then. I was too young, so I have no idea. All right, here we go. [00:44:11] Speaker D: Got no sound. Get stronger. [00:44:57] Speaker C: Sabbath, right? [00:44:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's savity. [00:45:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I can see they were trying to use that technology because all that weird stuff probably sounded different when it was in quadra Phoenix sound. It was probably one around you. [00:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:09] Speaker C: So that's probably why it sounds a little weird and low now in this thing. I don't know if you heard what it said, but. Got no silver from my pocket got no pillow for my head and the winter, it gets stronger got to ease my aching head I like the rift, though. That second part that came is really good. Now it's time. Yeah, yeah. Now it's time to say. All right, so this is. They're trying to figure it out, right? [00:45:33] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:45:34] Speaker C: But it's definitely Sabbath. Oh, my God. [00:45:36] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I definitely got Sabbath vibes from that. [00:45:39] Speaker C: If you. If you didn't know it was Judas Priest and you just heard that part, would you know it was that. Yeah. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Well, I mean, the only thing is, though, I think the production is. Is different. Right. The production is a little bit tamer on this, even though Roger Bain produced. Right. But who knows? Maybe he's like, hey, I don't want you guys to sound like my bread and butter. Maybe at that point. [00:46:00] Speaker C: I mean. I mean, the production of that parts. I mean, the first part, I can't. I can't take anything for that because it was made to do a certain thing. Right. [00:46:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:08] Speaker C: So I got to take that as it probably sounded very good when it was in the four speaker thing, probably, so. Yeah. But I like this riff a lot. I like the drumming on. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Yes, I'm good. [00:46:18] Speaker C: Riff a lot. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Really good. [00:46:19] Speaker C: It's pretty good. All right, we got. [00:46:36] Speaker D: Wonder if I'll. For I know I I still can when there's no more it still says mine. [00:48:07] Speaker C: Now before we get any farther so I'm gonna go back. So this. This verse here is the end of winter. In the morning when I wake up I got this feeling deep inside and I wonder if I'm dying or I'll go out go out of my mind now, supposedly, that's the end of winter. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:25] Speaker C: And the next thing is deep freeze. So, like I said, these are separate tracks on the. On the listing, but it seems like they're one song to me. [00:48:34] Speaker B: Yeah, this is what it sounds like. It's gonna go right into the next one. [00:48:37] Speaker C: So it did go into the next one already. So the next one was deep freeze. We already heard that. I still get this awful feeling when the snow falls to the ground it still sends my senses reeling telling winter, come on, come to town so now we've done deep freeze, right. So it makes sense. Like, this is the words, right? [00:49:00] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:49:01] Speaker C: So now the next thing is. This is coming up is winter retreat. So that's where we're at right now. I think. [00:49:08] Speaker D: So. [00:49:08] Speaker C: Let's see. Here we go. I mean, it's weird. I mean, it's one song. The melody is the same, right? [00:49:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:15] Speaker C: They broke it up separately, but, you. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Know, the seventies, a lot of. There was some other shit going on. I mean, weird. It's not too odd. Yeah. [00:49:24] Speaker C: Here we come. There's lots of Hendrix going on there. [00:50:54] Speaker B: I was gonna say that sounds a bit hendrixy. It's cool, though. I mean, I. I kind of wish it was done already, but I do think it's cool what they were doing. I can understand if they were trying to do what? [00:51:08] Speaker C: Well, it's the post, right? There's before Hendrix and after Hendrix. So this is. This is the after Hendrix thing, like, whammy bar feedback. The phase are going from one side to the other. Right. And so if this was in quadraphanic. Quadraphenic. Quadraphonic sound, I assume we'll be going across four speakers, I guess. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:29] Speaker C: It's interesting. It's kind of long, though, but, you know. But this is the seven. I mean, this is typical for what's got to happen. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:35] Speaker C: Seventies. So. Yeah. So it's not surprising, but it's interesting. I like it. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cool. I wasn't expecting something like this. I thought it kind of go into kind of a morose little. But I was like, oh, that's cool. [00:51:50] Speaker C: I wonder how much longer it goes. There we go. [00:53:17] Speaker D: Sets mine down from the sky multi eyes from my eyes. [00:54:00] Speaker C: So that part is cheater now. So was. So is Pink Floyd around? Yes, it's pink around. [00:54:11] Speaker B: I see the words for cheater, they're different. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Well, no, this is winter retreat. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker C: So it's a cheap. [00:54:20] Speaker B: Cheater hasn't come up yet now. [00:54:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:21] Speaker B: Okay, so now, I definitely. I definitely felt the Pink Floyd vibe there. [00:54:25] Speaker C: Now. Now Pink Floyd's around at this point, right? So. [00:54:28] Speaker B: Yeah, well, Pink Floyd started in the sixties originally. [00:54:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So now winter fades from my face my heart no long will no longer race sun smiling down from the sky melts away ice from my eye warmth eases back to my soul bitterness shrugs when it go, then it goes I like that little. I actually. Music's really good in that. I like that. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good song. I mean, it's kind of like one of those little seventies mini epics, right? I mean, how long is it overall? Do you know? [00:55:01] Speaker C: Give or take those 3930 we had? [00:55:04] Speaker B: Is it really. I wouldn't have thought it was that long. [00:55:07] Speaker C: Yeah. We have another three minutes to go. [00:55:10] Speaker B: So it does go into cheater. Yeah. I think it's gonna be completely different. Does cheater end aside? [00:55:18] Speaker C: Yes. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds like. [00:55:21] Speaker C: Yeah, cheater inside. All right, let's see what it does. I'm curious now. So this cheater sounds like a full song? Song. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm thinking we're probably gonna have to rate the winter stuff and then the cheater thing. That's what I'm thinking. [00:55:33] Speaker C: Yeah, it makes sense. All right, here we go. [00:56:04] Speaker D: I got home late this evening stumbled up the stair I couldn't believe my eyes when I looked in the bedroom there my woman with the man was lying fast asleep I felt a rage inside the control I couldn't keep. [00:56:36] Speaker C: I like that riff. Is pretty cool. [00:56:38] Speaker B: It is. Yeah. I could do it just harmonica, but it's pretty cool. [00:56:41] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know the harmonica. I just. I don't understand. [00:56:45] Speaker B: It kind of takes away from the heaviness, I think. [00:56:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, again, like we said, they're trying to figure this out, so. All right, so the verse is, I got home late this evening stumbled up the stair I couldn't believe my eyes when I looked in the bedroom there my woman with a man was lying fast asleep I felt rage inside of me control I couldn't keep she was a cheetah that's basically, the chorus. One word, one line. [00:57:14] Speaker B: She was a cheetah. [00:57:15] Speaker C: She was a cheetah. The harmonica. Like, just me even thinking that Judas Priest has a harmonica in their songs. [00:57:24] Speaker B: I know. Rob. [00:57:29] Speaker C: Needs more cowbell. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got the cowbell. Do you hear it? [00:57:34] Speaker C: Yes, it does. [00:57:35] Speaker B: It does have the cowboy in the groove. And if Bruce Dickinson wants more cowbell, we should probably give him more cowboy. [00:57:44] Speaker C: Yeah, you maybe. I just. It's funny for what Judas Priest is now, right? How heavy they are now. Like this. This is not even the same band. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Well, it's there, though. I mean, it's. There is some of the elements there. I mean, if you. [00:58:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:03] Speaker B: Go to like. Yeah, I mean, what the hell is it? Oh, hell bent for leather, which I think is actually supposed to be killing machine. That's the one. And the other one, which I mentioned before 100 times and I forgot, but it's kind of there. But this is good. I mean, I think this last, these last two, let's call them two songs, the winter. And they are better than what was before. [00:58:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I like it. All right, here we go. [00:58:36] Speaker D: The dress and table kicked away the door alone in 44 by this time narrow what to do? I scream, you cheated. [00:59:07] Speaker C: I think it's solo's coming up, so I want to read lyrics and then we can go to solo. Yeah, it's definitely now, this part of it here is definitely getting a little more riscay for set for 74. So I reached the dressing table kicked away the door I gripped the cold black metal a loaded 44 by this time they're awake and they don't know what to do I scream, you cheating bitch here's what I think of you, you're a cheater and then the harmonica does. It's just so funny. This harmonica, I just. I can't get. [00:59:39] Speaker B: I didn't mind it as much the second time. I think it was a little bit more in line with what the song was doing. [00:59:45] Speaker C: No, I know. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Whereas in the beginning, it was kind of. [00:59:48] Speaker C: I mean, those are type. Those are pretty tough lyrics with 74, right? [00:59:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:54] Speaker C: Who's. I mean, I mean, how many people in 74 saying, I scream, you cheat. I scream, you cheating bitch. Here's what I think of you. [01:00:02] Speaker B: Hmm. [01:00:04] Speaker C: Not that many. [01:00:05] Speaker B: I'm sorry. It's funny, right? Songs like this, you figured you would know. I mean, it's a pretty stand up riff. It's. It's good. And. But thinking about listening, like classic rock stations, they didn't play stuff like this. I mean, they could have. They would have played, you know, they played breaking the law. But it's a good song. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's stuff that. From bands that's good that you don't. But even, like, the deep purple, we heard. Right. And I'm not saying we listen to rock radio 24/7 but why don't I know this song? [01:00:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:43] Speaker B: And there are people like, what do you mean? [01:00:44] Speaker C: You have. [01:00:44] Speaker B: You don't know that song. It's your fault they're there. Yeah, I understand, but this could have been played back then. [01:00:52] Speaker C: You couldn't. You couldn't buy every album. [01:00:54] Speaker B: No. You rely on, like, the classic rock station. Right? I mean, the classic rockstate would play, um. Or what is it, 92, three in. I don't know if it was the late nineties or actually early two thousands. Or, like, classic rock, and he'd fucking play, uh, Paradise City. I'm like, give me a break. Is this already classic rock? [01:01:17] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:01:18] Speaker B: Or blast from the past. They could have played this. I would be like, oh, shit, this is good. [01:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah, they would never play this. This is an album cut. There's no way. It's just. This is too deep. You got to hear cashmere 50 fucking times. Not that I hate cashmere, but how. You know what I mean? But this other Led Zeppelin songs, besides the big five or six that you play all the time. That you could play. Yeah. All right. And let's see what kind of solo happens. Here we go. I'm gonna back that up a little bit. I like that solo. It was good. See, that. That I like much better so far. This is my favorite song. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good song. I like the one before, too. I like the look. I mean, the thing at the end is a little bit my shrunk banana, but we've probably heard that little. [01:02:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Wow. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Comes to my head, hindsight. [01:02:47] Speaker C: 2020. I mean, this is 50 years ago. So how much did you hear back then? I don't know. Probably not as much. You know, we're 50 years on. It's. Big difference, so. But I like the solar. Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely purpley. Yeah, that's what I hear out of it. If I had to, like, give it some kind of a thing from the seventies, that's what it feels like to me. [01:03:08] Speaker B: I could definitely hear some of that. [01:03:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So back up a little bit. Okay, here we go. [01:03:30] Speaker D: You have no say. I treated you so real good and this is what you do wow. Now I finished with ya. Your time is true. You wanna cheetah, cheetah. One doesn't need to come. Cheetah. Cheetah, cheetah. Come on, cheetah. Cheetah, cheetah. [01:04:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that a lot. [01:04:19] Speaker B: That was good. Cheetah. [01:04:20] Speaker C: Cheetah. All right, so let me read words and then we'll talk a little bit more. They both pleaded for mercy. I said no way. When you do this upon me, you have no say. I treated you so real good and this is what you do. Oh, no, I finished with you. Your time is through. You're a cheater. If you need a cheater there's no one sweeter. Nobody sweeter than this one. There's no needer. Come on here and meet her. Cheater, cheater, cheater come on, meet her cheater. [01:04:49] Speaker B: I don't think he killed him, though. [01:04:51] Speaker C: No, it doesn't sound like it. [01:04:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. Like. All right, get the hell out of here. [01:04:55] Speaker C: I mean, doesn't really say. Kind of ends before that happens, so who knows? [01:05:00] Speaker B: Well, he says if you need a cheater, there's no one sweeter. So that sounds like. [01:05:05] Speaker C: I guess he was like. I'm like, oh, shit. [01:05:12] Speaker B: So I think we should rate this separately, right? The winter stuff and the cheater. [01:05:16] Speaker C: Well, I mean, it's really broke. It's really broken up. So we're gonna. I say we have to do. We'll give the same. We'll give the same ratings for all three of the winter. Deep freeze, winter reset. We'll give them all the same because they are separate songs technically. But they all sound. [01:05:31] Speaker B: But I do see it. Yeah, I do see as kind of like. [01:05:33] Speaker C: Well, actually, winter and deep freeze probably can be together. Winter retreat has that weird fucking, you know, feedback thing going on in it. So maybe we do that one kind. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Of goes into each other, though, I guess. I mean, again, I see it kind of like a little. Little waltz, not a mini epic. It's nine minutes long, six minutes, technically. [01:05:58] Speaker C: And then three minutes of the other thing. Okay, so I don't know, how do we even break this up into, like, lyrics? I don't know. [01:06:07] Speaker B: Like I said, I think we go winter defreeze. Winter retreat is one because, I mean, they repeat some of the lines, too. Deep freeze has the lines from the other one. I still get this awful feeling when the snow falls. I mean, it's all he really says. I would just take it as a whole and then take cheating. [01:06:25] Speaker C: All right, go ahead. [01:06:27] Speaker D: Um. [01:06:28] Speaker B: I'm gonna say an eight on the music. I thought the music was really good. I thought the production was good. So I'm gonna say eight on production. Actually, on this one, I'll say seven on the lyrics. I mean, there's definitely a sentiment to it, and I'm a big sucker for winter stuff, so. Cheater. I'm gonna say eight on the music. I'm gonna say eight on the production. [01:06:53] Speaker D: Ah. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Lyrics are okay. I'll say six on the lyrics. But, I mean, overall, these are. I mean, this is a pretty strong way to start in the side. So what do we think? [01:07:08] Speaker C: I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to put all your numbers in here. Hold on. It's a lot of numbers. It's, like, three songs here we're doing. So I got to try to get all the numbers in here, I think. I mean, I don't. I don't know. Are the lyrics that much better in this than ones prior? I don't know. I mean, I could do the same thing you're doing. I mean, it's fair to say. [01:07:33] Speaker B: Well, I gave them sixes, so for me to give sneven, I think, the loop. I mean, me personally, he doesn't. There's not much to it. [01:07:40] Speaker C: No, there's not much to it. [01:07:42] Speaker B: I just kind of like the sentiment. I understand. [01:07:43] Speaker C: I guess. I guess all three of those. Seven on the. Seven on the lyrics, eight on the musician, because I like, the musicianship is good. I appreciate the feedbacky. It kind of hendricksy thing going on. And the production was done fairly. Fairly good with that. So I'm gonna give. Yeah, I'll give eight. So seven, eight. Eight on all those. Cheater, I don't know about. I don't hate the lyrics. I don't hate the lyrics. [01:08:16] Speaker B: Yeah, they're not. I mean, obviously, it's a story. You can picture exactly what's going on. [01:08:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll probably give those a seven, because I like the story aspect. Yeah, I think I'm gonna do eight in the music again and eight on the production. I'd like the guitar solo a lot, so he did a great job on that. I don't know who. If it was Glenn Tipton or. Or KK downling. I'm not sure who did that. I can't tell. [01:08:38] Speaker B: I don't know either. I'm sure there's people who can tell them apart, but. [01:08:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:43] Speaker B: Won't even try. [01:08:45] Speaker C: No, no, don't. No, it's not even try. There's no try. Um, yeah, so that. That ends that inside one. [01:08:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's just like. I mean, to me, that was kind of like. I mean, again, I like the first one, the second one didn't really grab me as much. But I mean, these. Whatever you want to call these little. The epic and then the cheater song. Because, I mean, I do see them as separate. I just like straight up good rock songs, right? Like good classic rock songs. I think. [01:09:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's getting better as it goes along. They're trying to figure it out a little bit more. I'm assuming second side will probably be pretty decent. I mean, there's a couple long songs on the second, like eight minutes, six minutes, and then a couple of short two minute, three minute, four minute. So I'm curious to see how that kind of works out. But this is an interesting record to get because there's a band trying to find their way, trying to find their sound, right. Not too. Because you can hear there's some sabbath there. There's some deep purple in there, right. Little Pink Floyd in there. Like, they're not too sure exactly where they want to be and what they want to do yet. But then you hear some parts of the grad Judas priest thing kind of. [01:09:54] Speaker B: Come out in their voices there, right. I mean, the voice is there right from the beginning. It's Rob Halford. And there's no mistaking Rob Halford. [01:10:02] Speaker C: I mean, this has got to be tough for him, too, because obviously. Does he know he's gay here in this. In this part of this thing? Does he know? And I mean, obviously, it's not as easy to come out in 74, right, as it is. No, yeah, no, so, I mean, is he writing. [01:10:18] Speaker B: Let me see if he's writing the lyrics. Yeah, downing in Halford. So, yeah, I mean, he's writing the winter stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gonna have to write for the. [01:10:37] Speaker C: Crowd, so, it's kind of funny. Winter was written by Al Atkins, who was the first singer of Judas Priest, I think. I think he. So he's the first singer. Not that I even knew that there was a first singer of Judas Priest. [01:10:54] Speaker B: Besides, I only knew because, again, having seen that. That classic album thing they mentioned, I don't remember what it was or how they got him, but they did mention getting him as opposed to him being there. So, like. Oh, kind of. I just kind of assumed he was there from the beginning. [01:11:20] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it's, um. Like I said, I. These. These albums interest me sometimes more than the actual, like, popular big records. Because this is where you just hear a band that's just kind of like starting out. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think this is a foundation for what we do technically, because we don't know what we're gonna get, right? And when you mention a band like Judas Priest, obviously your mind drifts to a good four or five albums, and then you get the first one right, where even the crowd, like I said, that thing where they're like, oh, what? [01:11:54] Speaker C: I mean. I mean, right now, it's a tad bit unfocused because they don't know what they want to be yet. Do we want to be Black Sabbath? Do we want to be deep purple? Do we want to be pink? Do we know what we want to be? We're not sure yet. So there. It's fun to, like, listen to them try to figure it out. I mean, there's definitely potential. You can hear the potential, right? And there's a little bit of originality going on. I mean. But I mean. I mean, they threw. They threw the whole kitchen sink in this. We got some Hendricksy kind of feedback thing. We got deep purple sounding stuff. We got pink Floyd sounding stuff. We have, what you call it, like, sabbath stuff. Not as much. The only part of the. Of the Judas priest that you kind of hear is sometimes. Sometimes in his vocals, but not in everything. But he's trapped. But they're trying. They're trying to figure it out. [01:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:47] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's, um. You know, supposedly. I mean, there was. It was very little reception. Like, it was only so. Sold a few thousand copies for the time, like 74. This is not the time. You know what I mean? So it's. It's a little too. It's a little too unfocused. Like, it doesn't have a. Doesn't have, like, an overarching theme about what this thing is yet. They haven't figured that out. They haven't figured their sound out yet. I'm sure, you know, getting to the next record, and next record, it starts to get more focused about what they're gonna do. What they're gonna do. [01:13:24] Speaker B: It's funny because I did have, like, their greatest hits. I think it's called metalworks, because I'm. [01:13:28] Speaker C: Like, oh, you know what? [01:13:29] Speaker B: I don't really know a lot of this stuff. So the second album, I remember them mentioning sad Wings of Destiny, specifically, where what song was on, I think victim of changes was on there. And one of them saying that this is the second one's considered their weakest album. So, again, I don't know what it sounds compared to this I don't remember the song, victim of changes, I'll be honest. The Ripper is on there, which is a pretty popular song by them. So I guess for whatever this is, they specifically. And I don't think there's a single song from this. This album, Rockarola, on there, so. Goes to show. [01:14:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, do. Do they really, like, even, like, acknowledge this very much, you know, I mean, it's probably just the way it is, so. But it's cool to hear. It's cool to hear a band starting. [01:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:14:30] Speaker C: So it's cool. All right, well, side one, done. [01:14:34] Speaker B: Nice. [01:14:34] Speaker C: Next week, you get to decide to. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:38] Speaker C: Cool. All right. Why don't you do your thing? [01:14:42] Speaker B: Oh, no, I was gonna say maybe someone from the crew can join. So there's some good bass playing, too. I wanted to say I did hear. [01:14:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I think. I think the album is. I think the album is. There's some good stuff on that, but, like, it's very. It's very not focused about. They don't know where they want to be. So that's all I say. [01:15:04] Speaker B: So, anyway. [01:15:06] Speaker C: What? [01:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I was gonna say. So anyway, go before I interrupted myself. [01:15:10] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, before you interrupted yourself. Go ahead. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say we're part of the deep dive podcast network. Great bunch of guys. That took us in right away. More individualized podcasts, one of them being Judas Priest. So, you know, if you don't want to hear us yammer, jump over to them. And I'm sure that they know much more than we do, and they probably cover this album. And again, Uriah heap, Tom Petty, made in buddies of rush, rash, you name it, they got it. So check them out, and hopefully they'll steer. Steer towards each other. So. And, Mark, where can they find this? [01:15:47] Speaker C: On the interwebs rock roulette pod on all the social media. Rockrulletpodcast.com website. Go there, leave us a message. You know, subscribe, download automatically, download on your favorite podcast playing app, whatever that may be. Give us five star reviews if you'd like. What we do. That kind of helps us out. Yeah, I'm assuming the Judas priest cast guys know more about this than we do, so we know nothing. [01:16:14] Speaker B: They'll hear it and tell us to shut up. [01:16:16] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I'm sure there were people yelling at us, as we say all the time, that the fans saying, you don't know what you're talking about. So it's just it. But. But again, this is an album that, for me, I never would probably play. And to get, just to get to hear this and see where they're kind of starting out and knowing where they end up, this is like a total 180, a total 90 degree or whatever you want to call it. It's just, it's the opposite. So it's pretty cool to hear, though. [01:16:44] Speaker B: It is. [01:16:46] Speaker C: Some bands are fully formed at the beginning. Right. And some bands aren't. Yeah. And it takes them a little bit of time to get their way and figure out what they're going to do. So that's pretty cool. [01:16:55] Speaker B: Yep. [01:16:56] Speaker C: All right. I guess we will be finishing this thing up next week. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Nice. [01:17:01] Speaker C: All right. See you guys later.