Episode 138 - Sonic Youth - Confusion Is Sex - Part 1

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:05] Speaker B: This is our musical reaction breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under Fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now onto the Rock Roulette Podcast. [00:01:14] Speaker C: Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the Crazy Ass podcast. It took over 1,400 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel, and typically every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the arrangement and the melody and we give it scores. Again, just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast. As always, we want to thank anybody who's listening this. Last week we had more listeners than the week before and it's all been spread out. We have a bunch of episodes, so whatever you're listening to, we really appreciate it and any opinions you have, any recommendations, give us a note, what you like, don't like. We are a trio again tonight. We have Frank. My name is Frank. And I'm Sexy. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Hello everybody. [00:02:11] Speaker C: We have Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. [00:02:13] Speaker D: What's up guys? [00:02:14] Speaker C: And I'm Sav. Ciao Buena. Last week we wrapped up the Rage against the Machine debut album. I think we pretty much all agreed musicianship was great, obviously some heavy lyrics. Production was great. Also got to discover how Tom Morello not only does incredibly cool, interesting stuff on the guitar, but he can whale. He did some pretty good solos that weren't all, you know, little tricks and things like that that he adds make things interesting. They were just straight up good solos. I mean, overall, pretty strong record. Frank nailed it with his request to the wheel. Mark, what did you think? [00:02:46] Speaker D: Thought it was great. I think he's a great guitar player. Whatever accolades he gets, he deserves just for all the crazy shit that he does. You're right, he can shred when he wants to. The one thing I won't be missing is the amount of fucking lyrics I had to read. I hope whatever we get this week, the lyrics are not as long as that because that was killer, man. [00:03:00] Speaker C: Yeah, he had A lot of lyrics and a lot of cursing. So you got to get that out. Frank, what do you think? [00:03:04] Speaker A: I mean, hey, look, you can't get what you wished for like you did with what we did last week. It was just, you know, one of those great bands. You know, hear his guitar play, you just know it's him. It's Tom Morello. And they just have such a distinct sound. They had such a strong message to deliver in their music. Very political message that really resonated with a lot of us overall. Great. [00:03:26] Speaker C: I liked it. One of those bands where you know a few songs, you like the songs, and you kind of never go and listen to the rest of the record. I don't know why. I should probably know all their songs by now, whether I like them or not. I should have at least listened to them. When the Wheel does stuff like that, I'm really happy. [00:03:39] Speaker A: She's. [00:03:40] Speaker C: She's definitely done that a few times. We don't know everything. We just kind of know the hits. And then we discovered some gems, so that's always great. We get to spin the wheel again tonight, which is always exciting. So before I ask, any requests or, you know, Frankie maybe predicts again, we have the new bets wheel. We get to spin the baby wheel. So, Mark, if you're ready. In a world where new music is. [00:04:01] Speaker A: Not easy to find, welcome to new Bets. [00:04:16] Speaker D: Can you see the Wheel? [00:04:17] Speaker C: I see it. [00:04:18] Speaker D: All right, here we go. New bets wheel. [00:04:31] Speaker C: Dead Poet Society hurt. Who is this, Mark? Do you know? [00:04:35] Speaker D: Do I ever know? I just put things on lists. I don't know who this is. Why don't you look them up? [00:04:40] Speaker C: Okay, so this is not a cover. They are from Boston. They formed in 2013. I don't think it's a. It's not an amalgamation of people. Jack Undercoffler, Jack Collins, Dylan Brenner, and Will Good Road Past members Nick Taylor. So, yeah, I assume this is from the fission album. [00:04:58] Speaker D: That's what it looks like. And I see one thing here. It says dead Poet Society Hurt, featuring the warning, which we kind of like. We like the warnings. I'm curious now. All right, let's do this. Here we go. Yeah, this is Dead Poet society. [00:05:17] Speaker E: You better get what you want. You only get one shot. You ling yourself on fire. You know you aren't going any hard. This is what you want but why? You could have been just fine. Are you insane? How you dealing with your money situation? You'll be running for the rest of your life. You can take this anywhere you want. Tell me? Why the hell would you write yourself for this? Why the hell would you write yourself for this? I know that I have my doubt so why you got to call me down? Tell me it'll be just fine out of your goddamn mind. Voices in can't grow loud I don't know how to shut them out this is what you want you could have been just fine Are you insane? How you dealing with your money situation you'll be running for the rest of your life? You can take this anywhere you want tell me why the hell would you hide yourself in this? Are you insane? How you dealing with the money situation you'll be running for the rest of your life? You can take this any way you want tell me why would you hide yourself for this? Why the hell would you hide yourself for this? Why the hell would you hide yourself for this? You insane? Any deal with your money situation you'll be running, you'll be running, you'll be Are you insane? How you dealing with your situation? [00:07:13] Speaker C: You'll be running, you'll be running, you'll. [00:07:15] Speaker E: Be are you insane? Look at how you're living is it what you really wanted? What you really wanted? You've been waiting on a miracle and you gotta let it go try it afraid the reality of getting older legacy and you will never make it out no why the hell would you hurt yourself for this? Why the hell would you hurt yourself for this? Are you inside? How you did with your money situation you'll be running for the rest of your life? You can take this any way you want tell me why the hell would you hurt yourself for this? Why the hell would you hurt yourself for this? Why the hell would you watch yourself for this? You throw it all away. [00:08:41] Speaker C: Does that chorus remind you guys of something? I. I can't put my finger on it that it reminds me of something and I can't think of what it is. [00:08:51] Speaker D: I don't know. What'd you think about that? [00:08:52] Speaker C: It was okay. I mean, I like the chorus. It wasn't terrible. Might revisit it at a later time, see if it hits me a little bit harder. But I like the chorus. I mean, I didn't really care for the rest of it so much. That part at the end was okay too. A little something. Whatever. I didn't like the production. I'm not gonna keep harpering on that. What'd you think, Mark? [00:09:09] Speaker D: It's the way things are produced right now, and there's not really much you can do about that. It's okay. The chorus was all Right. They get the drummer and the singer from the Warning doing vocals on that with them. What I can gather It's a little hard to tell. [00:09:20] Speaker C: Yeah. I wouldn't know the Warning from. [00:09:23] Speaker D: No, we only had one song from them, so it's a little hard. Frank, what'd you think? [00:09:27] Speaker A: I'm not crazy about it. It feels a little bit like one of those. Not gonna say new metal because that's a whole sub job, but it just feels like AI Metal. It feels like nice that it feels like AI Metal. Like, hey, write me a metal song about this topic. That's what it felt like. Fabricated, not real. Disconnected. I don't know. It was. For me, it didn't. I didn't like it that much. [00:09:45] Speaker D: That's what a lot of new stuff sounds like. That's really what it's like. It's okay. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Well, this didn't make the list. [00:09:52] Speaker D: And listen, they all can't be winners, you know, so that's what it is. All right, let's rubber stamp this. Here we go. [00:09:58] Speaker C: In a world where new music is. [00:10:02] Speaker A: Not easy to find, welcome to new bets. [00:10:16] Speaker C: Now the mother wheel gets a spin before we spit it. Frank, do you have anything you want to listen to or. Or what you think it will pick as opposed to what you want? Maybe either or. [00:10:27] Speaker A: You know, it would be nice if we got a little bit of new metal and you metal. I'm thinking like Olympus, get God, smack, corn. I don't think we really got one of those in a long while. I think the closest one we got was cedar. I think we got cedar, right? [00:10:44] Speaker C: We did get seether. Yeah. Ask Mark if we got see there. [00:10:47] Speaker A: That was a few months ago now, right? [00:10:49] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Be nice if we got one of those, like one of the late 90s, early 2000 new metal pioneers. And new metal sound like a corn. How about you, Mark? [00:10:58] Speaker D: I'm not picking anything. Whatever you did last week works, so I'm just gonna go with whatever you say. [00:11:02] Speaker C: I think I'd want something very cheesy but fun or something where you know something but you don't know the rest. Kind of like it was last week, so I'm thinking something there. So I'm not picking a. Let's say an era, per se. Well, maybe cheesy, but fun. You. That does kind of narrow it down a little bit because I think you guys know what era I'm talking about. But the other one could be any era. I was thinking maybe classic rock, something like when Mark and I got like the Journey and didn't really know anything, or. I don't know if we knew anything from that record, but it turned out to be pretty good. Or Cactus too, something like that. But whatever. Spin. [00:11:36] Speaker D: Here we go. [00:11:56] Speaker C: Oh, Sonic Youth. Confusion Is Sex. What is this from? [00:12:02] Speaker A: Wow. [00:12:04] Speaker C: Yeah, this is one of those bands, man. Always wanted to kind of get up on and never did. So this is some. [00:12:10] Speaker A: Yeah, this is good. This is great. [00:12:13] Speaker C: I don't know when this is from, though. [00:12:14] Speaker A: The 80s. [00:12:16] Speaker D: This is 1983. This is the debut studio record. [00:12:20] Speaker C: Holy. [00:12:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it.83. Yeah. Oh, they debut. I. Oh. Because the other ones were eps, right. Prior to this. This was an lp. The other ones were eps. [00:12:29] Speaker D: No clue. [00:12:30] Speaker C: Yeah, man, they keep going. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Oh, wow, this is great. [00:12:33] Speaker D: This is a band. I've heard their name forever. I know nothing really about them. I may know a song here or there and not really know it's them. This is exactly what Savino wanted. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore are. What's the word I'm looking for? Idols in general in music. I'm not saying they're my specific idols because, again, I band that I've always kind of want to listen to and just never other than the Bullet and the Heather song and that other one too, which was good because that was. That was a big breakthrough record for, like, mainstream breakthrough for them. [00:13:00] Speaker D: I know the names, but I know nothing as far as songs go at all. I don't think this is one of. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Those groups that a lot of folks would call early wave, before the whole New Wave kind of thing. Yeah, indeed. [00:13:11] Speaker D: Rock. [00:13:12] Speaker A: They were very, like, early. They weren't quite along with the Psychedelic Furs, which is around this time they became very popular. They were just not that group. Or maybe they were in this album. Definitely early wave, so it's considered noise rock. [00:13:24] Speaker C: And no Wave, actually. [00:13:26] Speaker A: Okay, that's. [00:13:27] Speaker C: Those are the. The titles. No Wave. Yeah. Because I think it didn't fit the New Wave kind of. When you think of New Wave, maybe like keyboardy and cynthy kind of stuff, and this was in the era, but Lo Fi. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Either way, we got a great group. [00:13:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, this is a band that I've always wanted to hear more from, and they're massively influential. Like I said, they're Kim Gordon, Thurston Moore. You hear a lot of people talk about them. [00:13:52] Speaker D: So this is Kim Gordon on vocals, bass guitar production. Thurston Moore, vocals, guitar, prepared guitar, bass guitar production. Lee Ronaldo. Guitar, bass guitar. Zither. What's Zither? Zither. Is a German string instrument. I don't know what that is. Production, Jim Sklabunos, drums, production. And Bob Burt, drums, production. So there's two drummers on here, which is weird. And produced by Wharton Tears. He's produced Sonic Youth, Biohazard, Nick Cave in the bad, Siege, Dinosaur Jr. White Zombie. It's kind of bends like that. [00:14:29] Speaker C: Yeah. So they were. They're from all over the place, these people. I never knew that they were formed in New York City. That's crazy. Kim Gordon is from Rochester. One of the guys is from Long Island. One guy is from Florida that moved to Connecticut. I don't know why. I assume that they were Cali or. Or out west somewhere there. [00:14:46] Speaker A: No. [00:14:46] Speaker C: So weird. That's what I'm saying. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Even when you listen to that sound, it's very like New York cbgb, kind of like Bowery sounding. [00:14:54] Speaker C: But that's what I'm saying. I didn't really know them. I knew of them, but I mean, when you get to the breakout, right. That could have been anywhere at that point. [00:15:02] Speaker A: This is gonna be great. This is the band that alternative bands we know used to hang their posters in the bedroom. [00:15:07] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:07] Speaker A: This is gonna be great. [00:15:08] Speaker D: Okay, we ready? [00:15:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Let's do it. [00:15:11] Speaker D: The first song is she's in a Bad Mood. [00:16:27] Speaker E: She's in a bad name But I won't fall away I believe all her life But I can't fall for it But I won't fall forever I believe all her life But I can't fall. [00:17:53] Speaker D: For it. [00:17:59] Speaker C: Mark, I want you to go first. [00:18:01] Speaker D: Do you really want me to go first? [00:18:02] Speaker C: I knew it. I was like, mark is hating this. [00:18:06] Speaker D: No, I don't hate it. [00:18:09] Speaker C: I don't. [00:18:10] Speaker D: When I hear really out of tune guitar things. Just on purpose. I know it's on purpose. It's either on purpose or they can't play their instruments. One or two, but I don't think that's the case. And this is 83, you know, I understand what they're trying to do. This is definitely lo fi stuff. I don't hate it. I mean, I think there's parts of it that are interesting. There's no lyrics. I went from the most lyrics in the world to no lyrics. The only lyrics are she's in a bad mood but I won't fall for it I believe all her lies but I can't fall for it. That's basically the whole song. What are you guys thinking about this so far? [00:18:41] Speaker C: I think once it kind of gets into the song, I'm. I'm. Starting to like it. I'm not like, oh, my God, this is the best thing I've ever heard. But I really like the bass fills. It's very filling and atmospheric for something that's still pretty heavy, which is cool. [00:18:54] Speaker A: You know what I hear here? Jamestown Massacre, Nirvana, all those lo fi sounding groups. Atmospheric. It's just great. I love it. You could definitely hear how they influence all those bands. [00:19:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I hear that, too. [00:19:07] Speaker D: So I was doing a little looking while we were waiting before we get back into the song, and it looks like, Sonic, you took Nirvana out on tour early on. They're definitely an influence. You're saying Nirvana. I can definitely hear that in here. In some of the stuff makes a lot of sense, but this is definitely not. What was going on in 83 is a mainstream thing. This is alternative. Right? This is where alternative is done. This is probably played on Dre and all that kind of stuff back in the day, I'm guessing. [00:19:30] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:19:30] Speaker A: Correct. Yeah. So you had your doing that whole Dre era. Why is that genre escaping me right now? Like Flock of Seagulls. Psychedelic words. [00:19:39] Speaker C: There's Alternative, Depeche Mode, the Cure. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Was it alternative or was it. It was something else. [00:19:43] Speaker C: I don't know what it was before Dre. That's where I kind of drifted a little bit from the hair metal and started getting into alternative. I just had that thing on all. [00:19:51] Speaker A: The time that was one of the best radio stations. [00:19:54] Speaker C: I love that. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Ever. And those who don't know, look it up. Google it. [00:19:57] Speaker C: 92.7. [00:19:58] Speaker D: All right, here we go. Let's continue. [00:22:48] Speaker C: I like that at the end, the panning that was going on. I mean, definitely a lot of noise there. Without a doubt, this is noise rock. Without a doubt. [00:22:58] Speaker D: It's not normally what I particularly like. I mean, I can see parts of it where I can understand what they were trying to do before some of the other bands who ended up being bigger than them came around. It was not bad. I want you guys to go first because I'm gonna do with this. Maybe you'll give me some ideas by you guys going first. Sad. Why don't you go first? [00:23:13] Speaker C: I mean, it's okay. I'm not gonna say, oh, my God, this is like the greatest thing I'm going to say. I'm gonna say a five on the lyrics. I'm just going low because there's nothing there. It's just one thing over and turnover music. I'll say six, if nothing else. At least for. Well, in 1983, obviously, the which I can't think of the word. There's a word I'm thinking of if I remember. If I think about it, I'll say it. Production. I'm gonna say six as well. Arrangement six and melody a six. It's okay. I appreciate some of the stuff that they were doing in there. Frank. [00:23:44] Speaker A: I'm gonna give the lyrics and the melody a six. Not a whole lot there. Music production, arrangement. I'm gonna give those eight. Because you got to think about the time that they're making this music. No one was doing it. Very unique for its time. As you pointed out, it was no wave during a time there was new wave. I thought they were considered early wave. But whatever wave it is, nobody was doing it. And for that to create that kind of unique sound that was clearly very influential. Let me see. So this was 80, 81, mark 83. 83, 83. Nirvana came out around 91, 92. So you're talking about a sound that was like 10 years about ahead of its time and influenced so many generations ahead. You got to give anything less than 8 is just for the. For the music arrangement and production would be kind of rude. Mark. [00:24:35] Speaker C: Frank. Just call me rude. [00:24:37] Speaker D: Rude and rude. [00:24:39] Speaker C: I'm just taking it for what it is. I can, like I said, I can appreciate what it is, you know, for now, that's kind of where I sit with this one. [00:24:45] Speaker D: I understand what's going on. It's a very obvious avant garde music. It's supposedly against whatever the new wave is. So there's a lot of noise, dissonance, atonality, some jazz in their funk disco that's trying to mix all these things together on that kind of thing. I understand what's going on. There's not a lot going on here. So it's a little hard for me to decide if I like this or don't like this. So I'm going to do five on the lyrics, five on the melody, six on everything else. I just need to see where this is going to go and what it's going to turn into. Is it going to be all this? Because there's a lot of dissonance things. If you don't like that, it's a hard listen. Generally I'm not a big dissonant atonality kind of guy. When things are like weirdly out of key, kind of throws me off a little bit. That's really where it freaks me out. And I don't know what I want to do. So I'm just hoping that it goes a little More. Less of that in the next one. And maybe I'm not bitching about me not having to read lyrics because I think I read lyrics last week and the week before for five episodes. Kind of happy that there's only a little bit of lyrics here. A little bit more information before we go ahead. The reason why there's two drummers is because one of them quit in the middle of this. Jim Sclavonis quit in the middle. So Bob Burt took over, and then Lee Ronaldo played bass, I think. I don't think he was on anything else from what I can gather. I don't know. I don't know anything about this. Just what I'm reading. So I don't know. There's. Why there's so many people on this. This is. Protect me. You. [00:26:43] Speaker E: Protect me from ravage. I am 10 years old. I don't know why. What I do. Protect me myself. I am 14. There's nothing to do. Protect me yourself. [00:27:55] Speaker C: I'm digging this one more. It's kind of creepy and I like that creep vibe. Me personally. And it's building in the background. You can kind of hear it building, which is pretty cool. [00:28:05] Speaker D: I guess it's building. I mean, I don't hate it. I understand what's going on. The melodies is a little wacky. I mean, I know what they're going. Supposed to be this way and that part of it. I understand. I don't know if this is really stuff I really like. I get what they're trying to do. They're trying to be anti. Whatever is going on, it's okay. That's fine. I mean, there's a lot of, like, weirdly dissonant stuff happening. And I really don't know if I really like this or not like this. I'm like. I appreciate the trying to do something different part. That's all I can really say right now. I don't really know. I mean, this is not a lot of lyrics in here either. [00:28:35] Speaker C: There's a gothy element, too, I think, to it. Even in the first one, a little. I definitely heard a little bit of that as well. [00:28:41] Speaker D: This is very similar to the first one. I think the mood is very the same. [00:28:44] Speaker C: The building blocks, I think, are similar, but I think it's different in a way. I'm liking this one better than the first one so far. [00:28:50] Speaker A: I like it. I hear a little bit of medicine in there. For those who are not very familiar. Have you ever seen the Crow movie? They were the band that played in it. Songs don't escape me But I think it was time, baby that they played in the Crow. I haven't seen it so long. If you go back and watch the Crow or Google Medicine Curl soundtrack, whatever it is, listen to this band. You're going to hear a lot of that sound in there. [00:29:11] Speaker D: I'm going to read all the lyrics because I know we're going to stop this song in the middle. There's not a lot again, but I'm just going to read them all and then we can listen to the crazy weirdness that this is. Protect me from ravagement I am 10 years old I don't know what to do Protect me myself I'm 14 there's nothing to do protect me myself I'm 16 protect me from starving I'm 18 protect me you I don't know what you do do Protect me Demons that come at night I don't know what they say they're whispering Sends the night air away and makes me forget I hope they come again and again Obviously, that's all the lyrics. And then the outro is, I hope they come again and again I hope they come again, again, again I don't know. It feels like this is something to do with sexual abuse, for sure. It feels like, at least at the beginning, parts of it. That's what it feels like to me. I don't really know what it's about. Top. [00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah, there's something very dark happening here, for sure. [00:30:03] Speaker C: Something that resembled nothing so much as the sort of chance little kids come up with when they've been sent to their rooms without supper. [00:30:10] Speaker D: Okay. [00:30:11] Speaker C: It was also inspired by Lydia Lunch's air of ravaged innocence. She was also from Rochester. Lee Ronaldo is playing the. The bass in this one. [00:30:19] Speaker D: It says he doesn't really play bass. Only on this album. I'm assuming he continues to play with them. Guitar, I guess. I don't know. But he's only plays bass on that song. Let's continue. Let's see where it goes. Here we. [00:30:31] Speaker E: From Star. [00:32:41] Speaker C: I like the drums. If I was playing the song, I'd be probably playing it the same way. [00:32:45] Speaker D: And they sound like drums, which is good. I was thinking that melody. Isn't that a Metallica melody? Or that they may have stole. Feels that way. I don't know why I'm thinking that. It's kind of strange. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Could be. [00:32:55] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know. [00:32:55] Speaker C: I was thinking today we've heard so many damn songs in our. Our lives, you start getting started finding the ones. Like, wait, isn't this just like when we did the ghost episodes. Like, wait, what? Wait, what is that? That's something. That's something. You just can't put your finger on it. [00:33:08] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I get what they're doing here. This is a very experimental thing. There's a certain amount of musicianship in here. It may not be something that goes to my sensibilities a little bit. Like, I do understand what they're trying to do. This is total opposite of what the new wave thing is. This is the total opposite. And supposedly they became a little more mainstream as they went along as far as their sound goes. But this is super experimental and just part of that kind of a scene for Norse rock. [00:33:30] Speaker C: I like this one, though. Digging this one. It's creepy. I like the creep factor. [00:33:34] Speaker D: That's why it's very monotonous, though, obviously on purpose. There's not much of a change through this whole thing. [00:33:40] Speaker C: No, I mean, the drums, he's doing, like, fills, and the guitar is kind of doing that little thing, which I think wasn't particularly. And I'm. Listen, I'm not saying there's massive dynamics because they're doing that, I guess in. In their vision of this. This is kind of them adding to it, kind of build up. [00:33:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm not sure yet. I'm still not sure. It's two songs that I'm not sure. Let's continue. Let's finish it out. Here we go. [00:34:20] Speaker E: Satan, My Heart. They come again. Again. [00:35:15] Speaker C: Okay. It kind of stopped short, so I wasn't sure if you had stopped it because there was more coming. I. I dug that one. I dug that one. I just. I think it appealed to my kind of creepy and. And horror. Like, I just kind of picture it in maybe like an A24 horror movie or. Or whatever. Not to be, but just a creepy vibe. And I think it could be. It's. It's visual, too. It can add to a visual scene. I mean, that's just my. My opinion. Mark, do you want to score it first this time? Since you read all the words? [00:35:49] Speaker D: If I was taking this purely on what I like, I would probably score the super duper low. [00:35:53] Speaker C: I think you should do it that way. [00:35:55] Speaker D: But I understand what they're trying to do now. Obviously there are parts here where her voice is, like, attitude, like, she's not in key whatsoever, but maybe that's on purpose. I don't know. I'm gonna defer to what they're trying to do, and I'm gonna throw six, because I can't say. This is not groundbreaking in a certain way. I don't remember this in 83, so I wasn't listening to this in 83. So for me, I'd have to take this. It's probably something I wouldn't listen to. It's a hard listen with the dissonant chords, the atonality of this stuff. I can appreciate this more now than I would at 13 when this came out. I would never listen to this at 13. There's no way being now understanding what they're trying to do. I really do think I can kind of give them that score just because they know what they're trying to do. I wish there was a little more variation. It does kind of get monotonous lux over five minutes. It doesn't feel that way, but it is. I'm gonna throw sixes across because I'm still trying to say, okay, they're a pioneering thing in this kind of genre. And they did influence other bands that I like later. And who knows what their later stuff is like? I might like that better. I don't really know. So I'm taking this for what it is. She didn't want to sing this vocal because she was paranoid about her voice that she didn't like it. That's why he played bass, so she didn't have to play bass on it. It's an interesting thing. It's a band that's trying to find their way around. And maybe this is just the genesis of what they're trying to do. So I'm gonna throw it sixes just to be respectful of that. Could I do if I was just saying, yeah, if I go this on pure what I like, it would probably be fives or fours. It's not something that I would throw on. Like, I like the main melody. I just think it repeats itself too much and there's no change, obviously on purpose, but I just don't know what to do with that. So I'm gonna throw it sixes across to see how it goes. I might like some other stuff a little bit better. So I don't know. Frank. [00:37:31] Speaker A: This came out, what, 83? And I think Kill them all came out mid to late 83, right? [00:37:37] Speaker C: I think so, yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker A: So I don't think this is a matter of who copy who. I think it's just coincidental, the sound a little bit Mark, because you said you hear a little metallic in there. It just. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Well, he said the melody. [00:37:47] Speaker A: The melody. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, you have two groups that release an album at the same time, but at the Same time they're doing underground clubs, so maybe perhaps one like the other. Who knows during that time. What stands out to me about this song the most? You know, we're talking about 1983, which is a very party atmosphere. We're talking about Cyndi Lauper, Girls Just Want to have Fun. And here you have this song that clearly has very dark undertones and it's talking about something that's very dark. I'm going to assume the subject is female. Something very dark happening. This feeling, perspective. Here you have a very stark contrast to what was happening in 83. Party vibes, girls want to have fun. And then you have this song coming out during a time when no one was listening to that genre. The fact that you play this song today and it's so relevant and you can listen to it and be like, wow, okay. Honestly speaking, this is a song that I'm quite surprised was not included in the 8 millimeter soundtrack. And for those who don't familiar that that's a great Nicholas Cage movie. If you ever seen it, go watch it. Great. It has Joaquin Phoenix is in it as well. This song belongs to that soundtrack for sure. For me, it's eight across the board for this song. When you think about the subject matter, the music, the production, no one was doing this at that time. It was really timeless piece. You take that song, plug it into today, and people are going to rock out to it. [00:38:59] Speaker C: Quintuple Ocho be better than Iki. [00:39:01] Speaker A: How about you, Seth? [00:39:02] Speaker C: I'm judging it based on not whether or not it was revolutionary at the time or because, I mean, there is things that are revolutionary at the time and you can't like some. You know what I mean? No matter how groundbreaking it was or. Or whatever it was, it doesn't mean you're going to like it. But I do like this. Like, no matter who it is or when it came out, I'm kind of judging it on. That 8 millimeter was funny because when I did see that movie, I don't think I really knew who Joaquin Phoenix was, but I said, wow, this guy's a great actor. I didn't like the movie. I kind of found it a bit disturbing. But I've only seen it once, but I can appreciate it being in it. I'm going to go sevens across on this one. Simple Honey, that ain't no no pistol. [00:39:42] Speaker D: It'S quintuple 7 Nikki titty baby. [00:39:46] Speaker C: Is that Paul Stanley? [00:39:48] Speaker A: Nice. Okay, Mark, so thank you for your. For your ratings. Appreciate it. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Hey, listen, Sixes Is not what I was expecting from Mark, So I was expecting lower. [00:40:00] Speaker D: But again, I understand what this is, and I know the time frame. And like Frank said, it's tough to come out with something when all the things around you are a lot different. This wasn't going to be in the mainstream. It would take a good another seven or eight years before this stuff started to trickle into other bands that were going to be more popular, you know, in the 90s. So it makes a lot of sense. Like, this could fit in the 90s, I think, more than it could fit in where it is. Anywho, the next song is Freezer Burn. I want to be your dog. I want to be your dog is a Stooges cover. So I'm assuming it's going to sound a little different than the other stuff, I guess. I assume Frieza burns some kind of intro of some kind. [00:40:35] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it depends on how they interpret the song. [00:40:38] Speaker D: Well, I think there'll be a little more changes, I would think, than what their stuff is, I would think. Although I don't know a lot about the Stooges either. So there you go. All right, here we go. Freezer burn I want to be your dog. [00:41:05] Speaker E: It sa. [00:43:03] Speaker C: So that beginning part was actually them walking into a walk in freezer at a deli. At least some of it, obviously. Some of it's guitar feedback, but I think the beginning of it. And so they said, I mean, this is a live cover. He apparently joined them on stage doing it at least once. Iggy, It's a loud song. I mean, it's just Stooges. I like the music. And she's just kind of screaming. I think she's having fun. It probably has to do some of it, too, with her. Maybe some of her paranoia and just. Just belting it out, at least in this version. [00:43:32] Speaker D: I don't want to say anything bad about this. I don't know. It's not my thing. It's not my thing. I can take pieces of it that I understand. I guess they don't care if things are not in tune or vocals are not in tune. I guess that's not what they're looking to do here. So it's super experimental. And if you're cool with that, I guess you're going to love something like this. I just don't understand why some of this is all the same. Like, even that beginning part, like three songs in a row, where it's all the same thing. I don't know. I don't get it. [00:43:58] Speaker C: Listen. Not Everything is for everybody. There's going to be stuff here probably that you listen to. I listen. I'm not saying that. Oh, my God, this is amazing. Yeah, it's cool. That's all right. But again, it's a live cover of a Stijit song. Yeah, it is what it is in that regard. It's not. It's not even their song. [00:44:15] Speaker D: I'm just going to read you lyrics. There's not very much in this either. Again, which I'm very happy about. Now I'm ready to feel your hand and feel my heart on your burning sands Now I'm going to be your dog Now I want to be your dog Now I want to be your dog oh, come on Lose my heart in the burning sands and then another chorus. It's definitely a live thing that you just threw on there. Like we're doing it. And again, there's something to be said about that. Where in the time of a lot of stuff that was getting very produced. This is like underproduced. Like. [00:44:41] Speaker C: Yeah, wasn't in a. Somewhere. Where was this recorded? [00:44:45] Speaker D: I have to look at. There's something in here about this. Again, this is not really my thing. And I understand why. They're influential, what they do. Supposedly they signed in 1990. David Geffen is a record DGC and they put a knob mountain 90 that had some kind of. A little bit of a hit on it. But I would assume that as the grunge stuff started to hit, they were the guys that came out eight or years before. So I'm guessing people tried to get them a little more mainstream success before even Nimona came out. Yeah, so it's just one of those things where they were just at the wrong time for big success. And then I guess they broke up more and Gordon were married or whatever. And then they broke up and that's the band ended in 2011. I don't think they're ever going to get back together. Supposedly. I'm sure there would be a market for them, but I guess they don't care about that. It's very punk esque in its middle finger to whatever's going on. [00:45:30] Speaker C: Well, I mean, again, this is a Stooges cover. [00:45:32] Speaker D: No, I'm just talking in general. It's a big fuck you to whatever's going on right at the moment as far as that goes. I can get with that. Yeah, we don't like what's going on. This is what we're going to do, whether it's good or bad. I mean, that's up to other people to decide, I guess. But anyway, let's play this out. Here we go. [00:46:03] Speaker E: It. [00:47:03] Speaker C: What do you say here? It's a cover. I like the music. I like the guitar too. He's doing a little bit of a little thing there. It's loud. Listen, for what it's worth, it doesn't sound like it was recorded that long ago. It really doesn't. It sounds as if maybe late 80s and even 90s. I think we did some of our own recordings even jamming and it's kind of less quality than this. I mean, do we rate a cover? How do. How do we do that? [00:47:29] Speaker D: Well, I think you can rate it. Go ahead, do what you want. [00:47:31] Speaker C: Clearly she's yelling, so it's not. Whatever. But I mean, I think the music is good. I mean, the Sujes definitely have a lot of good songs. If we. If we ever get them, depending what album we get. I mean lyric wise, I mean, these, again, these aren't their lyrics. 4 on the lyrics, he's not really. There's not really saying much. There's not really anything other than I want to be your dog. So what are you going to do? Music? I'm going to say say seven melody, six production, six arrangement. I'll say seven on the arrangement because I like how they went from one thing into the other thing. And I like the, you know, how they. They did the beginning. I think that was pretty cool. Lyrics. I don't know. I don't. I don't think I can even give them a four. Say a two. Two on the lyrics. There's nothing there, right? I'll say a three. No, because I've given some pretty bad stuff. I'll say three. But I kind of. I kind of like the rest of it. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Frank, you said that this was recorded inside an actual freezer refrigerator. [00:48:21] Speaker C: No, the. That very beginning noise, I think is them inside a. Like a walk in freezer. [00:48:28] Speaker A: So it's not like they sat inside the refrigerator recording this next to some gobble hanging, Right? Okay. [00:48:33] Speaker C: No, no, no. They probably just walked in with like a microphone or something because it kind of has that, you know, kind of walking through the lights. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, so when I heard this song in the beginning, what I heard was a little bit of Nine Inch Nails Ghosts. One Life. Right. So if you ever listen to that album, that genre, One of my. One of my favorite songs from that gold series was Together. If you ever have an opportunity. Haven't heard it yet. Go listen to. It's great. This is what I hear in that early stages of that song. And all of a sudden, when it kicked in, I heard Aneurysm by Nirvana. I really did. Again, it just shows you how influential this band was at the very minimum. Nirvana for sure. Maybe perhaps the Nine Inch Nail and Trent Reznor, maybe. I definitely hear a lot of that in there because I haven't heard the original song. So I don't know how close it is to form. As the two of you know, I'm not a fan of ranking lyrics to a band as doing a cover. So as far as lyrics and melody, because we're doing it for them, I have to give that a zero. It's not their lyrics, it's not their thing. But as far as music production and arrangements, I'm getting this eight across. It's just so unique for its time. It's ahead of its time. And like you said, Seth, you take this song and plug it into the mid-90s, and it's an odd, absolute hit. That, to me, just shows you how at that time, ahead of that time, there was. And that's why I give those scores, Mark. [00:49:52] Speaker D: I don't know. I'm listening to something different. Everybody's listening to. I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with me. I just don't know. I don't find a lot of redeeming here. For me, I understand what they're trying to do. I don't know if the execution for me is as good as what's supposedly done. Does that make any sense? I don't know. Am I crazy? [00:50:08] Speaker C: No. You can't like everything I'm saying, that I like the music better than what else is technically going on. I mean, clearly it's not a professional life recording. She's screaming. I don't know the original version of this one, But I do think that the music. I like the music. I'm kind of taking it again. This is. It's a cover. It's live. Listen, you got to vote. Would you. You vote. Vote. Honestly, I think we always try to vote honestly. [00:50:32] Speaker D: I don't know. I mean, the lyrics are what the lyrics are. I'm gonna say, like, you three melodies. Okay. For musicianship. Now, I know he's using alternate tunings and there's stuff going on. He's trying to make this noise stuff. So I give them credit for. For that. So I'll probably do a six on that arrangement. I don't know. It's not a much arrangement. It's a cover. I don't know what the COVID originally Is like. Does it sound like this? Probably. Again, I'm not versed in the Stooges. I don't know the original song. It's really not my thing. I'm gonna say five in production. I mean, this is produced in his own studio, I guess, where he was a superintendent in the building he was in. So I'm assuming that the recording stuff is very rudimentary. It doesn't feel like this was a four track they record on this record. Really say so I don't know. Is 82 or 83. They were recording this. It's a little rough. I don't want to say 5 on that. It's not my kind of thing. I'm waiting for the song to come out and go, oh, I get it. And even though, like Frank said, you hear pieces of things here and there, I just don't think it's all together yet. And again, I don't know. The later stuff in the 90s. Is there a song in the 90s? I know, maybe. [00:51:32] Speaker C: Oh, you definitely know. I probably. [00:51:34] Speaker D: I probably do. But you know what? It probably is a little more formulaic than this stuff is. This is like super out there. [00:51:40] Speaker C: Yeah, but it. It isn't. It. It isn't. I think it's. It's slightly glossier, but, I mean, there isn't. And again, I don't know the whole album, so I can't. I'm talking about because, like I said in the beginning, a band that you've heard of millions of times and you either have listened to them or you haven't listened to them. I wasn't 100 crazy about the couple songs that I'd heard. I didn't think they were that bad at a time when I was buying a ton of. Sometimes you had to put the foot down and say, okay, well, am I buying? What am I not buying? But you definitely know at least one song. The video is her singing and there's like that other girl dancing around. Yeah, it's kind of the same. It's like. It's. It's kind of a higher. A glossier version of this, production wise. And then what's going on? [00:52:22] Speaker D: That makes sense. Okay, so this is the last song on the first side. This is Shaking. Hell, it. [00:54:13] Speaker E: She'S on. You told her so she's finally discovered she's up. You told her so Come closer and I tell you Come closer and all Tell you Come closer and all Take off your dream dress I'll take off your dress I'll shake off your flesh I'll Shake off your flesh Shake off your flesh Shake off your flesh Shake off your flesh. [00:55:07] Speaker C: So, funny story. Before anybody gets into anything, it says that while recording, Gordon accidentally lost a preferred vocal take and had to dub it over with the tape of a live performance. Mark, I know you're digging this one. [00:55:22] Speaker D: This is the best song so far for you. Yeah, yeah. There's something going on. There's some kind of structure. The chords are weird still. He's still using really distant chords. He has to be in some weird alternate tuning. I can almost get on board with this because this feels more of what I would think that they would sound like. Even though I don't know what they should sound like. This to me at least has some kind of structure. It makes it a little bit better. [00:55:44] Speaker C: Anyway, once you start singing I like it again. Am I crazy about any these songs so far? No, I'm not trying to listen to it as an appreciation of Wow. 1983. Because if you do it that way, then you'll probably give votes. They may not be votes that are as honest. I wasn't crazy about the very beginning, but then when she started coming in, I started like. I can get more so. Yeah, I mean it's. I guess you could say it's more. More structured. You can hear the sticks clicking when he's doing the fills in the beginning. Twice we see that wasn't taken out. [00:56:12] Speaker A: This is the Sonic Youth that I remember when I first heard him from Goo. That was the very first Sonic Youth album. I heard very clear early beginnings of that album there. I love the beginning of the song. You hear a little Scott undertones at the start. During the middle. You hear that. I know, I know what the two of you gonna say. I get it. Go back, replay it and listen to this song and you'll hear the similarities. You hear Brittany Fox, Girl School in the middle of that song in the beginning here with the guitars and the drums. [00:56:40] Speaker C: Girls, would you mean the. That? [00:56:45] Speaker A: Yep. Go back. Yep. And speed it up and you're gonna hear Girl School, Britney Fox. [00:56:50] Speaker C: Well, I don't think that that was that original anyway. [00:56:54] Speaker A: So I hear it. I'm just calling. I'm listen, listen. I'm just calling the balls and the strikes, my friend. Agree or disagree, but I like it. [00:57:02] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:02] Speaker A: So okay, Mark. Got it. [00:57:04] Speaker C: All right. [00:57:08] Speaker A: But definitely like it. Like, this is the Sonic Youth that I remember when I first heard them with Go. [00:57:14] Speaker D: Well, I'm going to read lyrics. I can basically read the whole thing off because just kind of what it is. She's finally discovered she's a he told her so. And she does that three times. Then come closer and I'll tell you Come closer and I'll tell you. Come closer and I'll take off your dress I'll take off your dress I'll shake off your flesh I'll shake off, Shake off your flesh. I'll shake off your flesh. I'll shake off your flesh. Shake off your flesh. And then there's a bridge is going to come and says, turn around, turn around, turn around. Then there's a bunch of shakes at the end. Shake off your flesh and then shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake. So the one thing. I'm going to say it again. I'm very happy. There's not a lot of lyrics. I do think that this has a little more structure and maybe that's why this reminds you, Frank, Because I think from what I can gather, goo was a little more mainstream is for them. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:02] Speaker D: So that makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. Why you like this? I like this because at least there's something going on which I can hold on to and go, okay. It's a little bit of a change. It's not the same thing. [00:58:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:11] Speaker D: But there is a lot of repetitions. [00:58:13] Speaker A: By far, for me, I think the most commercially successful. [00:58:17] Speaker D: Well, it makes sense. That's what they wanted to do too, I think. Okay, let's finish this. Adam's gonna let this play. Here we. [00:58:26] Speaker E: Around. Turn around, turn around. [00:59:44] Speaker C: I like that ending. I wasn't expecting that. I was weird. It's when I tell people I listen to jazz, like, oh, my God, how can you listen to jazz? Weird but cool. I. This is an album that, if you can appreciate what's going on, I think upon more listens, you can appreciate it more. Or maybe you could hate it more. I don't. I mean, I. Yeah, I kind of like that one too. So, mark your favorite so far. [01:00:08] Speaker D: I wish it went somewhere. That's the only thing I can say. Their endings are just. Just very abrupt. It just stops. So I don't know if I like that too much. I'm gonna go first again. Guess this is my favorite so far. I'm gonna say six on the lyrics. I mean, there's not a lot of lyrics though. I'm gonna say six just because I kind of like it. I think the melody of what she's doing is better. I'll say seven, and I'm gonna say. I don't know. The guitar is doing some weird there. I'LL say seven on that arrangement. I'm gonna say five. I don't like the arrangement. It doesn't go anywhere. I wish it went somewhere. Production, I think, was the best so far. I'm gonna say seven on that. I mean, I guess it's my favorite just because there's a little bit of structure. But then it just devolves into no structure again. I thought I was going to like it more at the beginning, but then it just really didn't go anywhere. It just kind of abruptly stopped. And they didn't have any changes. And just. This is just noise and tunings and dissonance. And whatever they're doing for the sake of doing that to be anti. Whatever is going on. And maybe like Frank said, when GOO came around, they finally figured out, hey, we got to be a little more mainstream if we want to stay around here. And the music was changing, I think, then, so they had a chance to kind of do that. Goo is 1990, so that's even before Nirvana. Maybe. Al Chains was out then, I guess. Soundgarden had their album in 89. Some of they thought that they could kind of ride the wave that was happening. But I don't know if that ever really happened for them. I'd have to look that up and see if that really helped them as far as their mainstream success goes. [01:01:25] Speaker A: I don't really know, Frank, so far to your point. Yes. This is one of my favorites. The lyrics and the melody. I'm not so. I'm not so big on. I'm going to give those sixes the rest. I'm giving eight across. Again, the sound is just. I'm just digging it. As I told you. I hear the early signs of goo, which was one of their more mainstream hits albums. One of the first times I met the band. So for those reasons, I'm going to give that an 8 across. Zav. [01:01:50] Speaker C: I'll say a 6 on the lyrics. I was debating between a 6 and a 7 on everything else, but I'm leaning more toward the 7. And again, this is here in the moment. There may be times where I could listen to it again and say, it sticks with me more, it sticks with me less. I just think it's one of those. One of those things just because of what it is. I mean, for what it's worth, obviously, we've probably all heard other music like this. So depending on, you know, sometimes it sticks, sometimes it doesn't. I'm just trying to be in the moment, so to speak. [01:02:20] Speaker D: This is not what I expected I don't know what I expected. I expected more songs maybe and less noise, but it's a noise record. Again, I'm glad I heard this because I really know nothing about them, so this doesn't solidify whether I'd like to listen to them again. I would have to hear something later on, probably in the 90s. I know there's goo and then there's dirty. Those two records are a little more commercially accessible, I think. And I think Butch Vigilant did dirty, so I'm curious to see that. I wish we would get something like that because I really want to know what that sounds like. And if this, like, very avant garde noise stuff really kept going all through into the 90s, or did they have to change with the times because everyone's citing them as, oh, we used to listen to Sonic Ute. That's why we're doing what we're doing. So I'm sure that was said too. So maybe that helped out their popularity a little bit, I would guess. I mean, I know the name, so if I heard the name, I assume I heard something from them. So I'm somewhere along the line. [01:03:11] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you may or may not have. It's. It's one of those names that's on everybody's lips, especially in the 90s. They were a big influence on. On a lot of bands. Mark, have you ever heard a song by the Pixies? [01:03:22] Speaker D: I don't know if I have or not. [01:03:23] Speaker C: One album that they had done and everybody's like, pixies, Pixies, Pixies, Pixies. You would think that they had been like, whatever, but it's just one of those bands. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah, good call. Yeah, for sure. This band is the. The alternative bands band. Alternative groups that we listen to used to hang posters of this group. I definitely love it. Digging it so far. [01:03:43] Speaker D: All right, so why don't you do your thing? [01:03:45] Speaker C: So we are part of the Deep Dive Podcast network. Like I always say, a great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, check them out. I don't think Sonic Youth is on there, but pretty much almost every other band, you know, pretty much famous rock band will be on there. So check it out. And Mark, where can they find this. [01:04:02] Speaker D: On the Interwebs, Rock with that pod on all the social media. Rockwellpodcast.com submitting new bets, buy some merch, drop us a note, put us on your auto download so you can get our episodes as soon as they come out and rate us 5 stars, wherever you rate your podcast, and that helps us move up the algorithm. And this is a short album, so next week we get five songs, and then we'll. We'll be done with this, and we'll be on to the next one. But I'm curious to see what the second side brings into more of this, which I assume it's going to be. [01:04:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I called a good one. I said a band that we all know but may not know. So the thing from. [01:04:34] Speaker D: Yeah, there you go. [01:04:35] Speaker A: This is great. Hey, listen, we got. We got three spins in a row that were great so far, except for Mark, you know? But me, I love him. [01:04:45] Speaker D: All right, guys, we'll see you next week. [01:04:47] Speaker C: Ciao. Ciao. [01:04:48] Speaker A: All right, thank you. Good night. [01:04:51] Speaker D: Later. [01:04:58] Speaker E: It.