Episode 141 - XYZ - XYZ - Part 2

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:05] Speaker B: This is our musical reaction breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under Fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now on to the Rock Roulette Podcast. [00:01:14] Speaker C: Hey everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1, 500 albums, I was told today. Stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel, and typically every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us. So we go through a track by track, we talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Again, nothing fancy, just a bunch of friends who love music, want to do a podcast and as always, let's do the intros first. We have Frank. My name is Frank. [00:01:49] Speaker D: And I'm sexy. [00:01:57] Speaker A: What's up? [00:01:58] Speaker C: We have Mark. Oh, hi Mark. [00:02:00] Speaker D: What's up guys? [00:02:01] Speaker C: And I'm Sav. Before we get into it, as always, want to thank anybody who listens. You know, it goes up and down, but whatever. When we first started this, I think we maybe thought that we would be speaking to nobody, but that is not the case. So whoever you are, we want to thank you and spread the word. If you like what we're doing, if you don't like what we're doing, then tell us what we're doing wrong. Tell us what we're doing right. We always listens. Again, we want to thank everybody. Last week, the Wheel picked the debut album by a band called xyz, which some people may know they made a little bit of noise, I mean, especially considering this came out in 89, which is as this type of music started winding down. It was produced by Don Doc and I had mentioned that this and Danger Danger were kind of my last forays, really, let's say call it quote unquote, hair metal. Before I really kind of switched over, the album kind of sticks out of my head. I don't think it's terrible. I don't think it's great. Again, going into the later part of this genre, which I know Mark does not like. I don't Think it's terrible. But, Mark, you were kind of hating on it a little bit. [00:02:58] Speaker D: I am not the big fan of the late 80s, except for very few bands that I can deal with. Most of it, I feel, is just very derivative, very star. This is no different. [00:03:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, look, I think the album has a certain vibe. Having heard a lot of this stuff, especially from. From Nick and not, you know, not to. To put it down. I mean, Nick obviously kind of stayed a little bit later into this. And not only him. I mean, other people I. I knew, to me, I heard stuff that was worse. I think overall, I just think this album has, like I said before, a little bit of a vibe, a little bit of soul. I think that some of the other stuff may have been missing. Not great, but. Okay. Frank, what do you think so far? [00:03:38] Speaker A: I agree with most of what you say. It's not the best, but it's not horrible. I think it's very well produced. I like the production on it, and musicianship is really good. There's no groundbreaking sound that we're hearing here. They did it better than a lot of bands towards the end of this genre, if you will. I think the music sounds a lot better than what was coming out towards the end. [00:03:57] Speaker C: You'll see on the second side, you're going to have the ballad. You're going to have another song that, to me, is a bit more formalaic and the other stuff which compares to the big hit that was on the first side. We'll see how it does. But obviously, before we dive back into that, we have our new BET segment where we spin the baby wheel and it picks something new for us. So, Mark, whenever you're ready. In a world where new music is. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Not easy to find welcome to new Bets. [00:04:36] Speaker D: All righty, righty. Here we go. Can you see the wheel? [00:04:39] Speaker C: I see it. [00:04:40] Speaker D: All right, let's spin it. Here we go. [00:04:54] Speaker C: Oh, stained better days I actually didn't know that they had anything new out. A couple things from them. I think it was like, very late 90s, early 2000s, when they broke. I haven't heard anything here. [00:05:04] Speaker D: What was the big song from them? [00:05:05] Speaker C: First one I remember was It's Been a While. [00:05:07] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, I remember that. [00:05:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's Been a While was a big one. [00:05:09] Speaker C: Been a While. [00:05:10] Speaker D: Yeah, I remember that. [00:05:11] Speaker C: That's a pretty big song. There's some other good ones too. [00:05:14] Speaker D: All right, cool. Let's see what this is like. This is Stained Better Days. [00:05:41] Speaker E: I've been feeling out of control there's no healing between all the roads and there's no comfort Am I losing my soul? Is it too late to just let him go? Go and someday I will wake up when everything has changed until then I will dream of better days still living in the sorrow and learning from the pain until then I will dream of better days Trying to hold on but I slipped through my hands do you believe in a second chance for what we've been through don't you think we deserve so much more than this hurt? And someday I will wake up and everything has changed until then I will dream of better, better days still living in the sorrow and learning from the pain until then I will dream of. [00:07:15] Speaker F: Better days. [00:07:20] Speaker E: Of better days. [00:07:28] Speaker D: I've been. [00:07:29] Speaker E: Feeling so out of control there's no. [00:07:34] Speaker F: Healing. [00:07:39] Speaker E: And someday I will wake up and everything has changed until then I will dream of better days still living in the sorrow and learning from the pain until then I will dream of better days Someday I will wake up and everything has changed until then I will dream of better, better days still living in the sorrow and learning from the pain until then I will dream of better days Better days Better days oh, better days. [00:08:58] Speaker C: That was okay. I was kind of hoping for a little bit more. That song actually is 2023, by the way. A little bit late to that one, but what do you guys think? [00:09:06] Speaker D: I liked it. Thought it was good. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it was, you know, it was okay. Middle of the road, not terrible. I don't know. Not bad. I like it. [00:09:13] Speaker D: It definitely has that late 90s 2000 sound to it, though. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker D: Which I don't hate. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Oh, no, there's nothing wrong with that sound. A lot of what we listen to is that sounds. [00:09:22] Speaker D: It's very true. [00:09:22] Speaker C: Anybody who listens, we never ask. Tell us what you think. Let us know what you think of Good, Bad, Indifferent. Cool. Another one? [00:09:29] Speaker D: Yep. Another one in the books. All right, let's rubber stamp this. [00:09:33] Speaker C: In a world where new music is not easy to. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Welcome to new bets. [00:09:52] Speaker C: Mark, before you start side two, I know what you're gonna say, because if you haven't already noticed, the name of the first song on the second side. [00:10:00] Speaker E: You like that, huh? [00:10:01] Speaker C: Yes. Do not go crazy with the comparisons. I know which one you're gonna like better, but I don't think this is a bad song. [00:10:09] Speaker D: Come on and love me. Okay. I'm not a super fan of reusing titles like that, but, you know, they do what they do. [00:10:16] Speaker C: Yeah, especially one is pretty big hit in this rock genre. [00:10:19] Speaker D: Oh, it's not really a hit. [00:10:21] Speaker C: Well, it's a known song though, from Kiss, right? I mean, yeah. [00:10:24] Speaker D: Try not to have any preconceived notions. We think I'm going to try to be a little more open minded on side number two. I felt like I was a little bit of a negative Nancy on side one. [00:10:33] Speaker C: I can tell you that. They sound completely different. So you will definitely not. You won't. You will not say, oh my God, they took the title and the music. Definitely not. [00:10:40] Speaker D: Oh, I'm sure. I'm just going to try to be less going ahead and knowing exactly what this is going to be. Although it's probably going to do exactly what I think it's going to do. I'm going to try to be a little more open minded. This is Come on and love me. [00:11:10] Speaker F: I don't care. I don't care. Find qu. I want our family. Now it's time to do a die. You and I Come on and love me. Come on and Love Me. [00:11:45] Speaker C: Lyrics or whatever. I like the groove of it again. I like the production. [00:11:49] Speaker D: The riff is not bad. I don't hate this. It's not as good as the real Come On Love Me song, but, you know, I don't know what else I would be expecting. [00:11:57] Speaker C: It's produced better. [00:11:58] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, it's a lot later down the line too. [00:12:01] Speaker C: Give it something. [00:12:03] Speaker D: Listen. As far as them playing their instruments, it's fine. As far as production, it's fine. Is this the worst song of this genre I've heard in the end of the 80s? No. His accent stands out a whole crapload here. [00:12:17] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. And I always picked up on that one. On this one. Definitely pick it up. [00:12:21] Speaker D: Like I said, Klaus mine. I don't know why. [00:12:22] Speaker C: What's like French Klaus? It's like Jean Claude mine. [00:12:26] Speaker D: Yeah. It's just very similar. When he says certain words, I guess it's because of the language thing. You're like, oh, that sounds like the guy from the Scorpions. [00:12:34] Speaker C: Well, he doesn't say we. I don't think now I gotta pay attention. [00:12:37] Speaker D: If he says the Wii mine and night. I think that's really kind of where it happens. Speaking of words, Here we go. I don't care if I ain't right what you want on ladies night? I don't care if I ain't quite Savoir faire and candlelight. That was a shoehorn in there. I was like, oh, that's not really that good. The chorus is, now it's down to do or die. You and I Come on and love me. Come on and Love me again for me. [00:12:58] Speaker A: What's really standing out about this album has been the production. Very well produced. I dig the vocals. Yeah. Like you guys said, you hear. You hear the accent. But overall, I like it. [00:13:08] Speaker D: Well, let's continue. Here we go. [00:13:21] Speaker F: But I don't care what's out in line what am I now it's time to die God, Come on and love me Come on and love me yeah, yeah, yeah Come on in, love oh, come on in. [00:14:01] Speaker C: I like that little piece that they added there, too. I like the groove of this song. I've always liked this song, though. [00:14:06] Speaker D: I like the second part of the chorus. I thought that was interesting. They changed it up a little bit over there. Again, I'm not saying I hate this. This is much more of a slicker production. I know Frankie's a Don Dawkin fanboy, so he loves this a lot. [00:14:18] Speaker C: Dawkin rules, man. Come on. Daken was like my second favorite metal band. [00:14:22] Speaker A: I mean, come on. Dream Warrior. Best song of all time. [00:14:24] Speaker C: That album is good. That whole album is amazing. [00:14:27] Speaker D: Slow down your roll there. Best song of all time. Slow down your roll. I don't hate dokking. He's doing a good job here. Maybe even better than on the docking stuff. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. I think so. I think you might be one. I think this is better than some of the Duncan stuff produced. [00:14:40] Speaker D: Pretty good. He's doing a good job. I mean, listen, he's trying to give them all of a chance to do what they want to do. No one really knew that everything is going to be burned to the ground in two years. No one knew that was going to happen. Here's some words. I don't care if you ain't mine Stolen love is just as fine I don't care what's on the line, baby Ooh I don't mind choruses. Now it's down to do or die, you and I Come on and love me Come on and love me hey, Come on and love me Whoa, Come on and love me oh, yeah Ooh, touch me. [00:15:06] Speaker C: Mark, you have to admit, when these bands make you say stuff like that, how does that make you feel? Makes you feel good or. [00:15:12] Speaker D: It makes me feel like I wish Steve was here doing this and not me. [00:15:15] Speaker C: Oh, God, yes. Steve with the ooh. Oh, yeah Ooh, yeah It would have. [00:15:20] Speaker D: Been great if Steve was here becoming a guitar solo. So let's see what they do. Here we go. [00:15:41] Speaker F: Time. [00:16:00] Speaker C: I like the second part of it. [00:16:01] Speaker D: That he used the W very well. Other than that, it's you Know, in stock, which goes on. I'm not saying he can't play guitar. It's not what I'm saying. Even the bands that I don't really like at the end of the 80s, most of them were very competent on their instrument. I have nothing that's bad to say about their actual playing. The guitar solo is meh. It's played well. I tend to lean toward guitar players who have some kind of a sound that sets them apart. Me, around this time, you still have like Slash playing. And that's a whole thing onto itself for him. Like, you know, it's him playing. I know you can say that about some other guitar players too. Or the end of this. Obviously, Motley Crue was out, so Mick Morris, he had a sound that's the same year as this, as opposed to the generic stick. This guitar player in any band kind of situation. It's really not my thing as far as technique goes. As far as in playing. It's played very well. It's clean. There's some cool legato runs and fast picking stuff. And the wa used very well. Better than Kirk Hamp uses the wah. In my opinion, he's doing a great job with that. [00:16:56] Speaker C: At the end of the day, you could say, what the hell is this person playing? The fact that whether or not he has a distinctive sound, at least like you said there, he's competent at the instrument. [00:17:05] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't think even on the first side, I think I kind of said the same thing. The singer, besides his accent, and it's hard to not hear that depending on the song he sings. Well, I haven't really paid attention to the drums of the bass very much much because I don't think those stand out. [00:17:17] Speaker C: Yeah, they're fine. [00:17:18] Speaker D: It's a very cookie cutter. That's nothing. Is standing out here going, oh, my God, this guy is whatever. You could take the guitar play from Firehouse, put them in here. You could take the drummer from whatever and put him in here and no one would care. [00:17:28] Speaker C: To me, it's more about the feel. Again, I don't think the songwriting is that bad. Lyrics are. They are what they are, obviously. I mean, these are pretty bad. [00:17:37] Speaker D: And like you said, you're not coming here for any kind of poetry of any kind. [00:17:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, if you find it, you're like, oh, cool. [00:17:43] Speaker D: All right, let's continue on. Here we go. [00:17:57] Speaker F: Come on and love me Come on and love me Come on in love Come on in love Love me I'm going to make you mine. Wow. [00:19:13] Speaker C: I Remember the song ending like that too, with the little talk box thing in the wall, I guess, right? [00:19:18] Speaker D: No, it's just talk box. [00:19:20] Speaker C: Oh, is it? I thought it was like. [00:19:23] Speaker D: Yeah, no, it's just talk box. And that was way too long. That didn't need to be that freaking long. [00:19:28] Speaker C: Yeah, it was longer than I remembered. I agree with you. [00:19:30] Speaker D: I'm going to go first. Not horrible. I'm going to say lyrics, though, so I'm going to give the lyrics A3. I don't think the lyrics are great at all. There's some chew horning going on there. This is why music changed, because this was happening. These kind of songs were going on. It was cool and there was one or two of them. But once the genre all like jumped a shark and everyone was doing the same thing, that's really where the problem, I think, happened. And regardless of grunge coming up or whatever, this was going to happen no matter what. It was too full of itself. It was too narcissistic, it was too stock. Everyone doing the same thing. So that's really what the problem is. More. Not that this is a bad song. The problem is this. Everyone was doing this for that fact. I'll give it a sixes across. Actually, I'm going to do a melody 5 because there's a couple of shoehorn things there I don't probably take into there. I'll leave the arrangement at a six because it generally was fine. But I don't know why that thing took so long to frigging fade out. And I love fades, but that was too long. Sad. [00:20:20] Speaker C: I will say a three on the lyrics as well. I mean, they're really not that great. There's not much to them either, really. But I'm going to say seven on everything else again, based it on. Especially when we talk about putting a playlist together and kind of going sevens up. I would definitely put this on a playlist. I think it's fun. I like the groove of it. I like the feel of it. Is it anything spectacular? No, to me was always kind of a standout on this records. Frank. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm going to have similar scores to you guys. The lyrics, I'm going to give that a three. There's nothing wowing here or memorable. Seven across for me. I really like the groove a lot. The production, again, for me, really does stand out throughout this entire album. And I agree. The talk box, that was kind of weird at the end. It kind of freaked me out a little bit. [00:21:00] Speaker C: That's why I thought there was A lot. Because it was. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Yeah. If it would continue like another minute and a half, I would have knocked these down to six because that was a little too. Too much. [00:21:10] Speaker D: It was a long fade. It was like 30 seconds of that. And it's a short song. It's only 349. [00:21:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't remember it being that long. I remember coming in, but then when it kept going and going, I was like, oh, this is longer than I remembered. [00:21:23] Speaker D: And then they kind of like soloed it at the end and like just put it by itself. I was just a little weird idea again. [00:21:27] Speaker C: Which would have been fine, right, if it wasn't that long. [00:21:30] Speaker D: Yeah. It needs to be like a 10 second fade of that. 20 seconds max. The next song is Souvenirs. [00:21:55] Speaker F: But a dream in your eyes and then rain came along Once I stepped upon the clouds Ignoring all my doubts Now I'm back where I belong soon close enough Where I'm holding you for a while. [00:22:45] Speaker C: So this is, to me, one of the rare cases where I like the verse better than the chorus. Chorus actually remember the chorus, but didn't remember the verse. I really like the verse. And lyrically I think this is probably the best song on the record so far. [00:22:57] Speaker D: Lyrics aren't bad. It's just everything that. An 80s hair metal ballad where bad boys have their soft side. Remember that commercial, the monster ballads thing they used to put on television? [00:23:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:09] Speaker D: Every bad boy has their soft side. That's what this is. [00:23:12] Speaker C: It's the ballad. [00:23:13] Speaker D: It follows the formula. Because the formula worked for bigger bands. So they're copying what they do. [00:23:17] Speaker C: There may still have been a change. Chance maybe, kind of. You know what I mean? Maybe firehouse hit with love of a lifetime. You never know. Depends on the push. Depends on how. How the things hit. Technically, it could have been. I don't. I'm sure this was a single. I don't. I don't remember. Other than me having this record, I don't remember ever hearing this song anywhere else. [00:23:37] Speaker D: When did heaven come out more? Let's see. 89. [00:23:40] Speaker A: 89. [00:23:41] Speaker D: Basically the same time as this is coming out. [00:23:43] Speaker C: I don't like that song though. Wow. [00:23:46] Speaker D: It's better than this song. [00:23:47] Speaker C: I've never. I've really. [00:23:49] Speaker D: Wow. [00:23:50] Speaker C: So wait, here's what I'll say. Here's what. No, you know what? [00:23:53] Speaker D: Wow. [00:23:54] Speaker C: I like the. The verse in that as well. That's another case where I like the verse better than the chorus. This is not my favorite song on the record. It's not one of those ballads where I put on, and it gives me that emotion. You know what I mean? But Heaven didn't do it either. So I would say it's comparable to me, but only because I wasn't a fan of Heaven in general. I'm just saying. [00:24:14] Speaker D: Wow. The rest of the world doesn't agree. [00:24:15] Speaker C: With you because I know Heaven was a bigger hit. [00:24:18] Speaker D: Heaven was number two on the US Billboard Hot 100. [00:24:21] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:24:22] Speaker D: Number three on the US mainstream rock billboard. [00:24:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:25] Speaker D: It sold 500,000 copies just of the single Not a fan. It's a better song. The chorus is way better than this song. You put these two ballads side by side, Warrant's gonna destroy that thing every time. I think it's a better song. Not that this is bad. It's like comparing the song on the first side to the White Snake song. You can't do that. It's just not gonna happen. Happen. [00:24:44] Speaker C: This song is okay and Heaven is okay. To me, it's like they're both okay. But I just was never massive fan of Heaven or their. Their ballads in. In general. I mean, sometimes she Cries was okay. And I Saw Red. Maybe I like better than those. [00:24:59] Speaker D: I mean, for me, the chorus in Heaven is way better than this. Way better. Has more of a punch than this does. This kind of just floats into the chorus sort of. Kind of. [00:25:07] Speaker A: I'm still floored. What SAP said that Heaven was okay? [00:25:12] Speaker C: I was never a massive fan of that. So song. [00:25:15] Speaker A: How long is this song, Mark? [00:25:16] Speaker D: 357. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. I gotta sit through this for 357? [00:25:21] Speaker C: Jesus. [00:25:22] Speaker A: All right, let's go. [00:25:23] Speaker D: All right, here are the words. Once I walked across the skies Found the dream in your eyes and then the rain came along Once I slept upon the clouds Ignoring all my doubts Now I'm back where I belong Souvenirs close enough to taste your smile Souvenirs Where I'm holding you for a while yes. This is probably the best lyrics on this album so far. [00:25:43] Speaker F: Are. [00:25:43] Speaker D: I would say they're not great, though, in the song. They sound all right. Read the words out, though, and you're like, oh, yeah. No, that's not really that good, Frank. I'm sorry. Here we go. [00:26:10] Speaker F: Now. Future is the past and I'm gonna make it last Endless with my R I travel back in time to let my kids in making mine All I get is souvenir Close enough. Souvenir well, I I'm holding you for. [00:27:05] Speaker C: I like that little thing they added to the verse. I really like the melody in. In the verses. I think it's really. It's a nice melody. I've never been crazy about the chorus. [00:27:14] Speaker D: The chorus is. It's chorus is not good. [00:27:18] Speaker C: It's got a little bit of whatever, but like I said, I was never a massive fan. [00:27:22] Speaker D: If you're going to have a big hit ballad, the chorus has to be better. You're right. The verses are better than the chorus. Thousand percent. [00:27:27] Speaker C: I'll be honest with you, I don't remember liking the verses this much. I had it on cassette, so hit the FF button. [00:27:33] Speaker D: Your lyrics. Now the sun you blew apart Left a rainbow in my heart Aw. To save your promises now my future is the past and I'm gonna make it last in endless memories As I travel back in time to play for keeps and make you mine All I get is back to the chorus. I don't mind the acoustic into the harder guitar because I think we did that too, if I remember correctly, as. [00:27:57] Speaker C: A hair metal ballad, it's completely formulaic. It is what it is. [00:28:01] Speaker D: No, you're not finding anything spectacular in this. This is what it is. [00:28:05] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's fine. It's. It's fine. [00:28:08] Speaker D: All right, let's do solo. Here we go. [00:28:45] Speaker C: I liked it. I thought the solo was really good because incorporated my favorite melody in the song. I thought it fit. He went a little bit and whatever at the end, but not too much. I thought that was actually a really good solo for a ballad. [00:28:57] Speaker D: It's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It's good. I would have liked something a little more memorable than that. And I think the bigger ballads that did a lot more. The solo itself had a little bit more memorable parts. I can say the same thing about Heaven. Like that solo is fairly memorable. So's the Poison ballad is memorable. Even the White lion ballad is memorable. The solo, it's played very well. Can you hum that solo after you're done? Probably not. [00:29:23] Speaker C: I can hum. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it went along with the. With the verses. I thought it was pretty good. [00:29:29] Speaker A: I think the best part is coming up soon when it ends. [00:29:34] Speaker D: All right, here we go. Let's get to that part. [00:29:46] Speaker F: Destiny is wrong soon you. Well, I'm holding you for a while Just for. Wow. Is. [00:30:45] Speaker C: Little scream at the end. He hasn't done a lot of that, though. Give him credit for that. [00:30:50] Speaker D: No, there wasn't a lot of 80s metal scream at all. [00:30:53] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely not. [00:30:54] Speaker D: It's the first one. So the last part of the words are fool. I guess I was a fool but love has got the Rules and destiny is wrong. That's bad. Lara. I'm not gonna go first, Frank. [00:31:06] Speaker A: I don't even know where to begin with this one. I hope this was the last song that they recorded. They were tired. They just want to get home. And this is what we got. Because this was not very good. The lyrics. Souvenirs. A1. Yeah. A1. The music, it's good. Give that a5. Production. I'm gonna give five. I'm gonna give. Oh, yeah. Fives across for this one. It's a just. I. I don't know, Sab. [00:31:32] Speaker C: Well, lyrically, I think it's the best one on the record. I'll say. I don't know what I gave. What's the lowest score I gave him? Lyrics? I don't even know. I don't think it's a one. I mean, I've. I've given ones to stuff that talks about statutory rape, so I can't. There's no way in hell I can give this a one. I'll say. I'm gonna say a six because again, I just think it's the best. And I pretty sure I gave everything else lower. 4. Music. I'll say probably a 5 on the music. I said there's never a big standout to me. I'll say six on the melody because I really like the verse and those other little parts that they add. Production. I'll say a six, and arrangement's fine. Say a five on arrangement. To me, it's a ballad. Mark. [00:32:14] Speaker D: I won't give lyrics a one. Are they the best in this whole thing? I mean, I guess, possibly not for me, though. There's some bad parts there. I'm gonna say three melodies. I'm gonna say five. Musicianship. I'll probably do fives across. I'll do six for production because it is produced very well. It is the epitome of what is wrong with ballads. After every rose, for almost everything, it kind of just turned into this too super sappy, too super produced chorus in here is not great. Souvenirs. I don't know. I understand what he's trying to say. It's just not done well enough. Off. [00:32:48] Speaker C: So you're saying heaven is more original? Heaven isn't too far away. Closer to it every day. [00:32:54] Speaker D: It's catchier, though. I guess when that chorus comes in, there's. There's more of a. [00:33:00] Speaker C: There is more of an oomph. I will give you credit. I just don't think it's. [00:33:03] Speaker D: That the lyrics aren't great there either. But I Think overall the song is better. I think obviously it hit with more people too. There has to be something to be said. [00:33:13] Speaker C: I don't think this song is better. Better. I don't want to say that. I think it's comparable. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Wow. Comparable. That's like comparing a Ferrari to a 10 speed. [00:33:23] Speaker D: So here's the next one. This is tied up. [00:34:06] Speaker F: Know hell I don't see it in mind I caught in a game where heartach is fine I'm a chain when pleasure is pain all the pleasure is mine I belong I just pray baby Job in love I can't get away I'm done Beloved. [00:35:02] Speaker C: Yeah, this was never one of my favorites either. To me. If you want to talk about. We kind of need a song that sounds like this. This is, to me, another one like this. Just like the hit on the first side, this was another one that, to me, never really stood out. [00:35:14] Speaker D: The drum intro, I was like, oh, someone else is using that again. All right. We got the same drummer on everyone's album at this point. They put a little phaser in. I was like, ooh, 70s phaser on the drum. Drums or flanger or whatever it was. I don't know if flange or phase are one of the two. Musically, it's played well. The guitar player can play. I like some of the things he's doing there. It's just. It's so stocky, kind of 80s. Every hair band's doing this. Even his vocals are like that too. His actual accent is really up front here, which makes it sometimes, you know, depending on who it is. Like, I don't have that problem with the Scorpions. Even though I can hear his accent. I just think the music's a little bit better. So it kind of makes that fine, I think. I don't know. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with you, Mark. Like, as soon as you hear the drums, you're like, here we go. I heard this before. Not terrible. It's just. You heard the sound before. I like the guitar. Guitar plays really in your face. [00:36:00] Speaker C: Yeah. The riff isn't terrible. You know that dinner again, I think that Don Dawkin gave. Overall, it's still a warm production. So vibe wise, it's still kind of cool. There's a warmth to it that to me was missing with some of the other stuff. I just think based on some of the other stuff on this record, they could do better than. Than this. I mean, Mark, when you say could be anybody, that's how I feel here. Other than the production. [00:36:23] Speaker D: Production, I think his production is great for what this is. I think he probably helped him with these songs too, because I can. I feel a little docking in this, all the songs, really. So he must have helped them out. I doubt that this was the way they brought them in. I'm sure he had some ideas about what to do here in production wise. I think he's doing great. This is just so everything that I don't like about late 80s hair metal. [00:36:44] Speaker C: Admittedly, this isn't only something that happened in the late 80s, right. I just think this is hair metal. One all one people may listen and disagree. This was another fast forward for me. So back to back, back in the day when I had this cassette, I. [00:36:55] Speaker D: Was like, I'm not saying it didn't happen earlier, but when it happened earlier, it was a little more fresh sounding. I think once you start getting past like 86 and this started to continue to happen by 89, you don't need this again. This is why the genre actually, it ate its own. And whatever was coming up was going to knock it out no matter what it was. It just happened to be grunge. I think the end of this started to happen probably 88, 89. It started to go that way. Way. Here's lyrics. Maybe I'm under a spell Addiction is blind Ooh, sorry. Heaven or hell I don't seem to mind I'm caught up in a game where the heartache is fine I pull on the chain when the pleasure is pain all the pleasure is mine Chorus. You got me tied up in love Hunter and prey oh baby Tied up in love and I can't get away and I'm tied up in love Right. [00:37:41] Speaker C: I mean, even the fact. Tied up in love. [00:37:45] Speaker D: Yeah. I thought it was gonna be something else with Tied up, so I'm actually pleased that this is what this is. [00:37:49] Speaker C: Thought it was gonna be like a fast and pussycat where there's a whip there way. [00:37:52] Speaker D: Yeah, possibly. Yeah, it could have been. [00:37:55] Speaker C: That's a great song. [00:37:56] Speaker A: That is a great song. [00:37:59] Speaker D: All right, here we go. [00:38:18] Speaker F: I Searching for me through the eyes of a fool I can't seem to see who else to be but Charles D. Me. Charles. Happy love my sp Baby down in love I can't get away I'm done up in love. [00:39:11] Speaker C: I gotta tell I don't think that riff is that bad. I think the guitar should be louder in this, even though it's pretty much. I have to say, production has been incredibly steady throughout everything. I. I really think everything's been pretty level, but I think the riff is a Little bit heavier. And I think that song would benefit more if it was a little bit. Maybe more upfront. The song around it though is just whatever. That's what I think his guitar playing. [00:39:34] Speaker D: Is the best part of this. I can say that pretty much on all the songs. He's a good guitar player. It's wrapped up in whatever the 80s thing was at that point. There's not much for me to say. It's very Daken sounding and just because I kind of think he helped this along. Which is not a bad thing because Daken's a good band. I would rather hear Dawkin than hear this. I think they have a little bit more personality. It's so bland. I haven't said one thing about the bass player. The whole friggin first side and half of the second side. Is he even there? McFly? [00:39:59] Speaker C: I really haven't paid attention. And I mean the drummer, like. Yeah, I mean he's. He's. He's holding the beat. Could he be doing more, especially in this song, to kind of accentuate the heaviness of the riff? I think so as well. There's a good riff there and I think maybe they could have even done something a little bit heavier around it. And it's almost as if, especially when the chorus comes in, it's. I don't think it's necessarily shoehorn in there. The verse has this one vibe, right. But then the chorus comes in and it's kind of, hey, let's try and make it a little bit catchier. I don't know. To me it just doesn't work as. As much. [00:40:27] Speaker D: Okay, here. Lyrics. Maybe we're locked in a caged Partners in crime Ooh, sorry. Passion or rage show me the line I'm searching for me through the eyes of a fool I can't seem to see who else to be but you're tender or cruel scroll. And back to the chorus. [00:40:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it's just cliches. [00:40:44] Speaker D: The whole wreck is a cliche and it's not their fault. [00:40:47] Speaker C: Well, that's why I like Souvenirs. He kind of threw some clouds and stuff. I was like, okay, this is kind of cool. It felt a little bit more heartfelt to me. [00:40:54] Speaker D: It's like ballad. It should feel heartfelt. [00:40:57] Speaker C: No, but I'm saying there's definitely some ballads where the words are just like this, right? They're kind of cliched words. I just felt that there was a little bit more going on there. But yeah, this is just. Hunter and prey locked in a cage Master and Slave. You know what I mean? It's kind of like 101. [00:41:14] Speaker D: If there was AI for hair metal lyrics, you would put it in and this is what will come out. Write me a hair metal song lyrics. Oh, tied up. Where'd you get that from? [00:41:27] Speaker C: I mean, what's. What's missing here? What's it called? The. What's the Gene Simmons? Oh, my Lord. [00:41:35] Speaker D: Actually, logging your fireplace is better than that, because at least I get a good chuckle out of logging your fireplace. [00:41:39] Speaker C: That is not a cliche. Some of his other stuff, I think is a little bit more kind of like this. [00:41:44] Speaker D: The 80s weren't very good to Gene, unfortunately. All right, let's do. Let's do solo. Here we go. [00:42:16] Speaker C: Probably best part of the song. [00:42:18] Speaker D: It wasn't bad. I mean, he does use a lot of the cliche stuff there, too. There's a little bit of melody in it. So that was pretty cool. I mean, again, he's not a bad guitar player. I really can't say, oh, my God. God, this is a bad guitar. But, you know, we went back to the last album. I'm like, oh, my God, the guitar playing is so out of tune and not here. And this is kind of like the opposite side, where it's too good. Does that make sense? He's too good. His notes are too. Exactly. They're exactly on the thing. But sometimes that's not good either. Ends up feeling sterile. It's a sterile sound sometimes. [00:42:49] Speaker C: Do you think everything was worked out? [00:42:51] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. I doubt very highly any of this is. Oh, I'm just gonna play and go. I can't say, 100. I mean, there could be guys that do that, but to me, it sounds like it was worked out, which is ok. There's nothing wrong with working your solos out. It's just that a lot of the guitar players during this time frame, they suffered from the same thing. They had great technique. There was very little feel in what they did, and it was just shreddy all the time. There's a little bit of that here. I mean, he has a little bit of melody. I like the actual verse guitar playing better with the little riff things. Those are pretty cool. He has a little melody at the beginning, then he kind of like shreds it out through the whole thing. And technically, he's a very proficient guitar player. [00:43:26] Speaker C: I think he's got a little bit of feel, though, overall, wouldn't you say? I mean, I think he's. I don't think it's all shred. I think there could be More, I think in general, he tries to bring in at least into every solo there's a little bit of feel, you know, whether it goes throughout the whole solo, maybe not. I mean, me personally as listening to this as a non guitar player and saying to myself, who do I consider, like a decent soloist? Yeah, that guy from XYZ isn't bad. Like, he kind of incorporates some feel and some shredding and in a decent way overall. Yeah, I mean, I think he's pretty good. He's. I think the singer has good voice, but I would say, guitar wise, I think he is the standout in this band to me, 100%. [00:44:04] Speaker A: I agree. The guitar playing has been great throughout this entire album. I just like his style. Mark, to your point, I was thinking the same thing. I was like, I wonder how much of an influence Don Donkin had or input he had during the guitar play here. At the end of the day, it is up to the artist to put the music out. And he did a great job at it. I definitely like the guitar plate here. [00:44:23] Speaker D: Yeah, he's the best part of this so far for me. I mean, does that mean that. That it's the unfortunate part? What's happening and why this ended up going away? Because there's just too much of this. Is it the band's fault or is it the record company's fault for signing every band and they knew what they had to sound like to get signed. We say this all the time. We didn't really do a lot, but when we did put our stuff out to record company people. Right. What did they tell us? [00:44:45] Speaker C: You know, we didn't sound like what was going on then. And we had to change the sound. [00:44:48] Speaker D: Yeah. And we would never do that because we didn't want to sound like everybody else either. I guess you take it one way or another. Right. They took it to the way of, this is what we need to get signed. This is what we're going to do. And I don't know if this is the way they sounded before or did they conform to the sound of what it is. They just ended up sounding like everybody else. And that's a problem with a lot of this stuff. Once you get past A level, B level glam metal guys, it starts to really fall off really quickly. [00:45:12] Speaker C: Well, I mean, at this point, Right. It was the A level guys that survived for a little bit. [00:45:16] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:45:17] Speaker C: And you had some B level guys that came in. I mean, Firehouse, I would say was kind of B level that came in and still kind of was able To. To make a name for itself. That was it, right? That was really kind of like the last gasp. [00:45:29] Speaker D: All right, let's finish this up. Here we go. [00:46:39] Speaker C: I will say in that weird part before board, they went back into the chorus. I heard the bass do two notes. The drummer did a little double bass thing, which was cool. But I was also thinking to myself, obviously comparing to Dawkin, if Daken had done this song same style, but them doing it, I think we probably be talking about it a different way. [00:47:00] Speaker D: You know why that is? [00:47:01] Speaker C: I know where you're gonna. [00:47:02] Speaker D: Docking's a better band in that we're gonna say that. [00:47:05] Speaker C: I mean, I'm not gonna argue again. Dawkin was one of my favorite bands back then, so I will not argue, argue. But I just think they would. [00:47:12] Speaker A: There. [00:47:13] Speaker C: There's. There would have been something. Something there. They would have embraced the heaviness of it and kind of elevated to that where it kind of could have been. And listen, they're being produced, right? So like you said too, who knows what the discussions were like. Hey, make it sound like this because again, production has been level throughout the whole thing. No song has really sounded differently than anyone else. He's been pretty steady. It's one of the things I kind of liked about overall, this thing. Whether I like the songs or not, the warmth that I think he brought to it. [00:47:43] Speaker D: All right, I'll go first. This is gonna be easy. Fives across production. 6. It's not horrible. There's parts that I like. It's just stock of what the time was and band had a song like this, this weird mid tempo fast rift. I mean, the rift's not bad, but you know, other than that, a better band would have made it better. And that's really what it comes down to. Frank. [00:48:04] Speaker A: I, you know, listen, I like this song. And again, the guitar playing really is my favorite part on this song. And throughout the entire album lyric. They're okay. They're not terrible, but you know, they're. They're there, they're okay. I'm gonna give those a five. I'm gonna give sixes across for everything else. Again, I really do like the musicianship. The production has been really, really good. Really. The star of this song has been the guitar. How about you? Set? [00:48:26] Speaker C: Yeah. You guys went pretty high on the lyrics. I'm gonna say a three on the lyrics and a five on everything else. I'm even gonna ding the production a little bit on this one. Even though it's been steady and it has that warmth that I do appreciate a song like this. Just has to come out harder. If it comes out harder, if it comes out in a Dawkin style recording and production, it would hit us harder, I think. [00:48:47] Speaker D: Okay, the next song is Nice Day to Die. [00:49:30] Speaker F: You're facing that light Dreams don't last forever Somebody like. Somebody like. It's a nice day to die A nice day to die Strength is the sky. [00:50:10] Speaker C: I definitely hear Don on this one. I kind of like this one. It is a little bit different from the other stuff. Again, I wish production was a little bit heavier. I don't like the drum beat, actually, that the drummer's doing in the verse. I think it's okay. I think it has a little bit more of a classic feel. Feel almost like a 70ish feel to me. [00:50:27] Speaker D: This is definitely better than the other stuff. It's different, which I like. I don't like the guitar sound, which is strange. I don't know. Change the guitar sound, changed up. I generally didn't have a problem with his guitar sound through this whole thing. But on this one, I don't know what happened. I don't particularly like it that much. I thought it was better. Frank. [00:50:42] Speaker A: I find it to be so cheesy so far that it's good. It's just a very cheesy sound. Yeah. Mark. The guitar plays is different. I don't know what it is. Definitely not like what we've heard so far. [00:50:52] Speaker D: I think it's just a little different and I think that's what it really comes down to. It's not the same old same old that they've been doing. Yeah. I think it's more the tone of the guitar that's a little weird. I think that's really what you're feeling. It sounds a little 70s. I can hear a little bit of that in there. [00:51:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a little classic. [00:51:05] Speaker D: Okay, here's lyrics. Early sky, morning sun I made it to the light to realize I'm far gone to face another night Dreams don't last forever Somebody lied Somebody lied It's a nice day to die A nice day to go straight to the sky or way down below It's a nice. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Day to die yeah, that dream zone lasts forever. I mean, that shit is like straight up talking. And I'm pretty sure he's doing background vocals there as well. [00:51:28] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, he's doing. On the whole record. Yeah, it makes sense. All right, let's continue. I like this one so far. Here we go. [00:51:51] Speaker F: Yeah, I'm down to goodbye I'm down To goodbye it's enough to die Nothing to go Strength in the sky Way down below it's enough time. [00:52:39] Speaker C: Okay. I like the scream. There, there. It was warranted. I like like that Drumming wise, this is the best song without a doubt. Actually I didn't mind the drumming in the verse as much as I did the first. I don't know why what it was the first time, but I think it's definitely the drumming wise, the best song. I mean I. This one I skipped to before, but I would always listen to this one. I always remember listening to this one. [00:52:58] Speaker D: So yeah, I'm still digging it so far. I like the drums, I like the actual guitar part. It's not the same old same old. So here are lyrics. Deadly life obsolete I take a look around Black and white White on a one way street Six feet under the ground Wheels don't turn for better I'm down to goodbye I'm down to goodbye It's a nice day to die It's a nice day to go straight to the sky or way down below It's a nice day to die A nice day to go over the line End of the show It's a nice day to die, die, die I mean, I think it's different and I like the difference. If they had more things like this in here, where they changed it up a little bit, I think I would like this better. I just think the rest of it is so formulaic. Maybe they got to the end of this record and went, oh, we got to do something different. Which maybe they should have done from the get go. [00:53:40] Speaker C: Unless this was the first song they wrote. [00:53:41] Speaker D: It could be. [00:53:42] Speaker C: Could be. [00:53:44] Speaker D: All right, let's do this. [00:54:47] Speaker C: I have an opinion about that. Mark. I don't know if you want to go first because you might say the same thing that I say. [00:54:54] Speaker D: It's the best solo on the album. But it's too low. What happened? [00:54:58] Speaker C: You were not saying what I was gonna say. Really like it? [00:55:02] Speaker D: No, no. [00:55:03] Speaker C: I felt like. I mean, cassette tuned, kept going on. It felt like it was going on for like 20 bars and he wasn't doing anything over it. Me personally, I'm like, what are you doing? Are you gonna get into it? Are you just gonna do noises? Which is cool. But then he wasn't doing noises and then it was low. I agree with that. Me personally, I didn't like that. I thought he played some cool stuff. Stuff. There was to me, too much space in between what was going on. And because it was low, it just felt like that tune like, there was no change whatsoever. [00:55:31] Speaker A: I think that was the best guitar solo all album. Great. [00:55:35] Speaker C: I'm in the minority. That's cool. [00:55:37] Speaker D: I think the problem for you is you have to listen to that a little harder. If it was louder, it would have been better for you because that rhythm is so bum, bum, bum, bum. And it was so much pushed into the back. I think that's really what the problem was. I think when I was listening to him, like, wow, he's doing some cool things here with the whammy bar. Is there some feet feedback? It wasn't really shreddy. There was some fast parts. I thought it was the best guitar solo and the whole thing. I just think, unfortunately, it was mixed crappy. Don Dawkin up could have been better. [00:56:04] Speaker A: We got to get a shout out to the bases. He showed up here on this one. [00:56:06] Speaker D: Yeah, that too. [00:56:07] Speaker C: Yeah. You hear him in the beginning, too. The very beginning. He's doing some things too. [00:56:12] Speaker D: I noticed he's like, oh, this is the second last song. Let me show up over here and go show him that I'm actually still here. [00:56:17] Speaker C: The drummer too, though, he's doing some cool fills. [00:56:19] Speaker D: To me, this is my favorite song on the record so far. [00:56:21] Speaker C: This has always been one of the tops. [00:56:23] Speaker D: I wish that it would done more of this and less of the other stuff. All right, let's continue. [00:56:47] Speaker F: To go. Strength in the sky Way down below it's enough to die Nothing to go Strength in the sky we down below It's a. [00:58:00] Speaker C: So don't laugh. I like that better. I like that solo better. I know it was more of whatever, but I. I think he did a good job. I mean, I think overall he is a pretty decent guitar player. I don't think I ever really necessarily specifically paid attention to what he was doing. I think he's. He's pretty good. Like I said, this overall was always one of my. My top songs. [00:58:21] Speaker D: Yeah, the end part was good. I thought he did good stuff there, too. Again, a little bit too low. Other than that, I thought it was good. Usually the outro stuff and when it fades, usually there's good stuff on the end of that, generally because it tends to be a little more off the cuff as opposed to more worked out. I thought his guitar playing in was the best on the whole record. And I wish, unfortunately, it was mixed a little bit better. I'll go first. Seven on the lyrics, seven on the melody, eight on the musicianship. Because I think his guitar playing was great. I think the drumming was great. I think the Bass player showed up finally, so that was awesome. Seven on the arrangement. And I'm gonna ding the production because the guitar playing is too low and it should have been more. I'm gonna give it a five, Frank. [00:58:57] Speaker A: You know, like I said before, this song is so cheesy. It's so good. The guitar play, by far the best in this song. Definitely. I mean, every. Everyone showed up, right down to the bass. As you could hear in this. The lyrics, I'm gonna give those a five. Everything else, I'm gonna go seven across on all of these. [00:59:13] Speaker C: I'll say a six on the lyrics, eight on the music, six on production. I'm gonna ding that a little bit, too. I totally hear what Mark is saying, and I do, in general, which was produced a little bit heavier. I like the melody. I'll say seven on the melody. I'll say seven on arrangement. Yeah. I mean, definitely. To me, one of. One of this. It's always been one of the standout songs. I always listen to this one. [00:59:34] Speaker D: All right, so this is after the rain. [01:00:04] Speaker F: It's the glitz of the sun I realize life goes on oh, my, oh my love Only a cloud tell me no after the rain after the rain Never again After of the rain. [01:00:59] Speaker C: I've always kind of liked this one. I like the melody. I. I like it better than. More than words. Maybe not as much as Be with you by Mr. Big. I feel like it's kind of in that vein, the acoustic and voice. I will tell you that my cousin also had this record, and I remember him specifically telling me this was his favorite song. [01:01:14] Speaker D: I think there's a better song here. I don't know if I like the chorus too much. I think it's better than the other ballad. [01:01:20] Speaker C: Agreed. [01:01:21] Speaker D: I question its place on the record, though, where I think you could have swapped the two songs and put Nice day to die at the end and after the rain there. I think it's in the wrong place. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Agreed. [01:01:30] Speaker D: I don't think I'd want to end on this. I think I'd want to end on something a little heavier or a little rockier. I think there's a better song here. I just think it's handcuffed by the chorus a little bit. And some of the words. I'll read them now, But I have questions. I tear in your eyes is an eclipse of the sun that's not bad. But I realized life goes on oh, my love it's only a cloud to go oh, my love it's only a cloud Tell me you know so are they saying the cloud's going away because after the rain? Is that what that means? [01:01:57] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. [01:01:59] Speaker D: I don't like that line. I don't like those two lines. [01:02:01] Speaker C: I like it once. I think it works once. I don't think they needed to repeat it. I think they could have just tell me, you know, after the Rain. But I. I think for what it is, a quickie little acoustic thing, I don't think it's bad. And I definitely like it better than. Than Souvenirs. [01:02:14] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:02:14] Speaker A: You know, I wish they would have picked a different song to answer on. Cookie Cutter, right down to the title. I mean, wasn't that a Nelson song? After the Ring? [01:02:22] Speaker C: Yes, That's a great song. That's a rocking song, though. [01:02:26] Speaker A: It's kind of the same vein as you said, as Mr. Big, but it just. It just fell short of that. Mark, you're right. There's a better song to be had. [01:02:33] Speaker D: Here we shall continue Here we. [01:02:42] Speaker F: But I'm feeling so strong We've been on this road for so long oh, my love Only a cloud to go all my love Love only Tell me, you know after the rain After. It'll never, never be the. [01:03:34] Speaker C: After the. [01:03:35] Speaker F: Rain after the rain. [01:03:57] Speaker C: So, Mark, let me ask you this. If there was an electric solar solo there, would you have been pissed? [01:04:03] Speaker D: I don't know if I would have been pissed. I would have felt that an acoustic solo would have been more apropos for that. Maybe an electric solo would have been very cliche to do. Not that that's a bad thing. I think there's a better song here. I like the second chorus better than the first chorus. I wish they would have done that chorus the first time. So I thought it was better. I don't like It's Only a Cloud to Go. I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean. Maybe it's a translation issue from French to English. It's a weird thing to say. [01:04:27] Speaker C: Well, I mean, like I said, I think it's a range rain cloud. Like, once this rain cloud goes. [01:04:32] Speaker D: Yeah, it's just said weird, though. I understand what he's trying to do. It just does. It's not said right. You know, it sounds like something Google translated it and it just sounds wrong. I'll go first again. I don't think it's bad. I think there's a better song here. If they would have worked it out a little bit, gave a little solo in the middle where maybe a half minute longer, 45 seconds longer. I'm gonna throw it sixes across. I don't think it's bad. I just think it could be better. What do you think? Sad. [01:04:54] Speaker C: Honestly, that's what I was thinking too, so I'll go along along with that. Sixes. I do like it though. I mean, it's so short that it's. It's kind of harmless. You either don't listen to it, you listen to it, and it's kind of gone. So at least in that vein, I think they did a good job with that part. Six is across. I also agree. I think the one before this should have been the closer. It would have made more of an impact. Frank, what do you think the best. [01:05:14] Speaker A: Part that is short comes? It goes. It's kind of more like a quick sun shower. Here it is. And Barry gone. It's. It's done. Not terrible. Well, not as bad as that other one. Souvenirs for me. I'm just going to give these fives on the lyrics, the musicianship 6 and the production 6. [01:05:31] Speaker D: I don't think it's a bad song. I think it's a better song there. If they would have worked it out again better than the other ballad, they would have had better chance of releasing this than they would that. [01:05:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:40] Speaker D: My opinion. [01:05:41] Speaker C: Another one in the books. And I mean, like I said, I like the vibe of the album. I think that the guitar players is pretty stand out. I think that there's some decent stuff here. Obviously one song that I like more than you guys did, without a doubt on the first side. Maybe if some of these more typical things had been weeded out or done differently, it could have been overall even better. And it said too, right. When whoever was joined the band later on and they said that it contributed more to the way they wound up sounding. So who knows what really went beyond. I can tell you one thing from what I remember though, and I mentioned it before, the second album is I was very disappointed from the second. Second one. So if that ever comes up, who knows? I mean, I think I listened to it once and that was it. That might be the ultimate cheese Factor. [01:06:26] Speaker D: It's a late 80s hair metal record. I don't like most of it. I like two songs at the end. Everything else is stock hair metal or whatever it was back in the day. Glam metal guitar players are very good. The singer can sing. His accent sometimes throws you off a little bit. In general. I would never go back to this just because it's not something I really like. And those last two songs. If they would have done another rest of the album where the heavier songs are similar to that kind of style, I thought I'd like it better. But I'm not taking anything away from their musicianship. [01:06:53] Speaker A: Some of their songs will make my throwback playlist. I don't know if I'll give this album a second listen. To me, the two shining spots have been the guitar playing and Duncan's production. Really great overall, to your point, Mark? Yeah, Cookie cutter sound. Although I think they did it better than most bands towards the end of this era. Nothing here that is ground changing or moving or anything like that. It is what it is. They're not terrible. They're not amazing. They're not. They're just right there. [01:07:19] Speaker C: Mark. I think there's going to be other stuff in this list. It ever comes up in this era where you may have more fun with. That's what I'm thinking. [01:07:26] Speaker A: Like, Enough's Enough. That would be great. [01:07:28] Speaker C: Hey, come on. There's some good songs in there. [01:07:30] Speaker A: Enough's Enough. [01:07:32] Speaker D: I like Enough's Enough. Seriously. They better be. [01:07:34] Speaker C: Yeah, no, but I'm talking about, like what you mentioned today. I won't mention anything or where you heard it. Mark. [01:07:40] Speaker D: The bottom line is there's also stuff that's super bad that's so cheesy. It's good. That's a possibility too. [01:07:44] Speaker A: It is, it is. [01:07:47] Speaker C: There's one that Frank keeps telling pouting. [01:07:50] Speaker D: Electric boys with electric toys. [01:07:54] Speaker A: Favorite band of all time. [01:07:55] Speaker D: All right, so I want you to do your thing. [01:07:57] Speaker C: So we are part of the Deep Dive Podcast network. Like I always say, great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, check it out. I don't think XYZ is on there, I'm pretty sure, but you can find Rush, Judas Priest, Tom Petty, you name it, it's probably on there. If it's classic and it rocks. And Mark, where can they find us on the Interwebs webs? [01:08:16] Speaker D: Rock with that pod on all the social media. Rockwithlpodcast.com check out the polls, send us new bets, buy some merch, put us on your auto, download from wherever. You listen to podcasts so you get our episodes every week and give us a five star rating wherever you do that because that helps us move up and gets more people to listen to us. Next week we get the spin again, which is cool. Wonder what we're going to get. I'm not choosing because I choose something and it chooses the opposite. Going to go along with whatever you do? [01:08:40] Speaker C: Well, Mark, you did pick this, but, like, 50, 18 choices ago. [01:08:44] Speaker D: Did I though really? [01:08:45] Speaker C: Well, you said you wanted some late 80s, and after we did the Van Halen, you said, I don't want 80s again. And we got red. [01:08:51] Speaker D: That's what I'm saying. [01:08:53] Speaker C: But you've been wanting some late 80s hair metal, and you finally got it. [01:08:56] Speaker A: Maybe that's the trademark. You have to say, I don't want 60 psychedelic, and we'll get it. [01:09:01] Speaker D: I tried to use reverse psychology on it, but it didn't work. It knows me too well. I put all the things on the list, and I was like, yeah, you. You're not getting that. Anyway. All right, guys, we'll see you next week. [01:09:10] Speaker C: Show. [01:09:11] Speaker A: Have a good night, everybody. [01:09:12] Speaker D: Later.