Episode 140 - XYZ - XYZ - Part 1

[00:00:04] Speaker A: This is our musical reaction breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. Notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching, scholarship and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now onto the Roc Roulette Podcast. [00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign. [00:01:14] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1,400 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And typically every other week we spin the wheel and she picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores out of 10. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast together. Nothing fancy. And first and foremost, which I forgot to do last time, we want to thank all of our listeners again. The numbers always seem to be going up one way or another, so we really, really appreciate it. Whoever you are, spread the word and tell us what you like, what you don't like. You know, I always put Mark on the spot, but he loves interacting with, with you guys and he loves showing us his stuffs. Typically it's pretty good. Every once in a while we'll get something negative. But that's cool, I mean we, we work on it. You know, we'll take suggestions for the baby wheel and the mama wheel. You never know. Tonight we are a trio. We have Frank. My name is Frank and I'm sexy. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Hello everybody. [00:02:25] Speaker A: So I know you guys can't see us, but every time Mark plays Frank's music, I do the night at the Roxbury thing with my head. I just, I just can't help it. [00:02:32] Speaker C: I do the Running Man. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Oh, do you? Yeah, yeah. I do the little side to side kind of thing. We have Mark. Oh, hi Mark. [00:02:42] Speaker D: What's up guys? [00:02:43] Speaker A: And I'm Seth. Ciao Buena. [00:02:45] Speaker C: Sierra. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Last week we wrapped up the album for Sonic Youth, their first full length LP, which came out in 1983. I didn't realize how long they'd been around. I didn't really listen to them a lot in the 90s. Always a band that I kind of want to listen to and obviously, this thing was a little bit different than the stuff they'd done in the 90s. But overall, I appreciated this stuff and I think gave it some pretty decent scores. Frank, I know that you definitely liked it. You gave it the best scores out of all of us. So you. You really dug it. [00:03:12] Speaker C: 100%. It's one of those bands that whenever. Whenever I hear about Sonic Thieves, like, I shared the last time, I always. I always put them right there with, like, Dinosaur Jr. Or the mud Honeys, you know, the really early on groups, the Meat Puppets, those groups that are really, really grassroots of alternative rock and grunge. So I really dug it. Definitely not what we were listening to during that time. Way ahead that they were in their time in terms of music. Other bands that they also influenced. Jonestown Massacre. Right? That was the name of the group I'm thinking about. Sev. [00:03:41] Speaker A: I believe so. Yeah. [00:03:42] Speaker C: Yeah. That's the other one that you hear. You hear a lot of that in this group, you know, Influences there, too. [00:03:47] Speaker A: I dug the second side more than the first. I do want to go back to this record again. I hate when people say, well, it's not for everybody. Nothing is for everybody. Right? Not everybody's gonna like everything. There definitely was some decent songwriting, I thought, especially on the second side. It did remind me of some of the stuff that was kind of going around, like some of the pil stuff that was going on at the time, some of the goth stuff. I found that interesting. I found that an interesting. Listen, Mark, I know that you had a little bit of a rough time with it. [00:04:13] Speaker D: I like two songs. Maybe it's not for me, but like you said, not everyone has to like everything. I appreciate what they did and how ahead of a time they were and what they were doing that influenced bands I like later. But sometimes you go back to things that bands that you liked, and you may not like the stuff that they like, but for me, it just wasn't a big hit. But that's fine. [00:04:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, hey, that's why we do this, right? Discovery and rediscovery. Speaking of which, we have the new BET segment where we have the stuff from that's been released recently. Within the last year, year and a half. Mark, if you want to kick that. [00:04:41] Speaker C: Off in a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to New Bets. [00:05:01] Speaker D: Can you see the Wheel? [00:05:02] Speaker A: I see the wheel. [00:05:03] Speaker D: Okay. New Bets. Wheel is on the way. Here we go. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Culture Wars. It hurts. I'm not familiar with this. [00:05:22] Speaker D: Another one. I have no idea what it is. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Frank, do you know? [00:05:25] Speaker C: No clue. [00:05:27] Speaker D: All right, so I don't know what this is, what we're gonna hear. It's culture wars. It hurts. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Money that you probably had to borrow save for a little while we both know you'll be back here. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Tomorrow. [00:06:08] Speaker B: And it hurts a good swallow I know I know you're not there when I see crying don't see even though smiling barely keeping up with times telling jokes you probably should a battle love to see you with a smile but don't you know that every word is hello Even when I'm sorry feel like a friend when it hurts you now it's never good I'm sorry I didn't care. Every night Every night it hurts Good swallow. I know, I know Smiling feel like a friend when it hurts you know it's never good but it hurts to good swallow and I know and I know you're not there but I hate to see crying I see it's smiling. [00:08:43] Speaker A: It was very 90s with a modern production. Sound a little bit like Jon Bon Jovi, too, in some parts. It was catchy. [00:08:49] Speaker D: Thought it was good. It does sound very 90s pop, alternative. I liked it. Thought it was good. I know some people say and it sounds like Imagine Dragons, but I don't think it really sounds like that. [00:08:59] Speaker A: I don't really hear that. But then again, I only know the hits by Imagine Dragons. Doesn't remind me of the hits. [00:09:05] Speaker D: Yeah, me too. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Frank, what'd you think? [00:09:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm with Mark. I like the. The whole entire throwback to the 90s kind of sound on this one. I like it. I don't hear that imagination Dragons influenced there, but definitely could hear. It's a band that is going back in time to replicate a sound. I like it. [00:09:26] Speaker D: I thought it was really good. I thought the drum sounded good. [00:09:29] Speaker A: See, I thought they did. I. I absolutely thought. I thought they did. Yeah. Like I said, I thought it was 90s, kind of through the modern production. It was okay. [00:09:38] Speaker D: I didn't hear that at all. [00:09:39] Speaker A: I mean, it was catchy. [00:09:41] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm super catchy. I liked it. Another one down the books. Here we go. [00:09:45] Speaker C: In a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to new bets. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Now we get to go to the Big wheel. Mark, I'm only going to ask you this week because Frank and I kind of hit it on the nose these past couple of weeks. You must ask of the Wheel or ask the opposite and you may receive. [00:10:16] Speaker D: No, I'm going to ask of the Wheel because we got a nice 90s song is kind of song. I'm going to pick 90s. I want something real 90s though. Not 2000s band that was in the 90s or earlier band in the 80s that went into the 90s. I want a 90s band of some sort. I don't know if I'm going to get it, but that's what I want. [00:10:34] Speaker A: Let's see. There's a whole bunch of albums on there and. And the list is growing. We're pretty close to 1,500 albums. I'm going to have to change the intro soon. [00:10:42] Speaker D: I think we're at 1480 or something like that. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Nice. [00:10:45] Speaker D: Well, am I the only one going to be trying to ask about this? Are you guys going to do it too? We're just going to leave it at me and then watch it. Give me the big middle finger. Is that what we're going to do? [00:10:52] Speaker A: Frank really called it with Rage against the Machine. And you know, my request last week was what I say something. Maybe a band we know, but maybe something we wouldn't were unfamiliar with. Frank, are you wanting anything? [00:11:03] Speaker C: I'm kind of debating. We got no wave. I'm kind of wishing maybe a new wave band. Like a psychedelic fur maybe or something from the early 2000s. A Blink 182 or, you know, it'd be really great if we got the White Stripes. Oh, my goodness. I would love that White stripe or Foo Fighters or Gorillas or something like the Creed, even. Those would be great. Audio Slave would be awesome too. [00:11:28] Speaker D: Now you have to do it because he did it. So pick something. [00:11:31] Speaker A: I said this a few weeks ago where I said something really, really new. Full length from the last couple of years, let's say, even if it's a little bit heavier. I don't know that we've really gotten something really, really new. That would be something maybe cool. But whatever, it's all good. [00:11:46] Speaker D: All right, here we go. Let's do. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Wow. See that? The other part of me said maybe something hair metal. XYZ by xyz, which is the debut album, I assume. [00:12:16] Speaker C: Wow. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Do you guys know this one? [00:12:18] Speaker D: Do I know this? I have no clue. [00:12:21] Speaker A: This is one of the ones. I said, oh, I'm gonna buy this. There's almost a handful of good songs on this album. Frank, do you know this one at all? [00:12:27] Speaker C: Yeah, Nick had it. [00:12:28] Speaker A: Yeah. The singer is French, I believe. He went on to sing with another band. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember this because Nick had it in his collection. [00:12:35] Speaker A: I had this as well. [00:12:36] Speaker D: Did you, Mark, when did this come out 1989. So this is going to be all I hate in hair metal all wrapped into one little fine fucking thing. [00:12:45] Speaker A: I'm sure there's some good stuff on here. This was the tail end of my hair metal stuff. This is right before it kind of abandoned it completely and just really went into alternative. [00:12:54] Speaker C: Is this like one of the bands like American angel, they just missed the whole hair metal age. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah. They had at least one MTV hit and the hit was a song that I did didn't like. It's songs that I kind of discovered. I would say at least three songs that I thought were pretty good on this. [00:13:11] Speaker C: Yeah, no, American angel was right there. 89. And that was a good album. They were a good group. [00:13:16] Speaker A: These guys are slicker than that. [00:13:18] Speaker C: Really? Okay. [00:13:19] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a little bit slicker. Yeah. [00:13:20] Speaker C: I remember Nick had it in his collection. And that's where. That's where I remember hearing it. [00:13:24] Speaker A: It takes a good two or three tracks to get into the stuff that I started kind of liking, I think from what I remember. Like I said, I don't have it up in front of me. I'll bring it up once Mark kind of starts going into it. [00:13:32] Speaker D: This was produced by Don Dawkin. [00:13:34] Speaker C: I already gave it a 10. I love Don. Don love. [00:13:36] Speaker D: It's not Don Doc. And he produced it. Big deal. What is that supposed to mean? [00:13:39] Speaker C: I mean, you know, anything. Don D is going to be awesome. [00:13:43] Speaker D: I hope this is what I think it's going to be. [00:13:45] Speaker A: I think if you kind of go in like that, you may not. But this was probably the last thing I bought where I said half of this isn't bad. Two of the songs are actually, I think, really good. The songs that are very hair metal, I don't like. They're just too much of that. But the songs that are a little bit different, they kind of have a little bit of groove to them, a little blues to them are decent. The ones that are metal, just straight up hair metal. And those, you're probably like, yeah, this is. This is this stuff blues, huh? [00:14:10] Speaker D: Is this how hair metal does blues? Because I kind of know what that's about already. [00:14:14] Speaker A: It's not the doom to doom stuff like that. It's got soul to it. Like definitely the third song, Without a Doubt. And then six. [00:14:21] Speaker D: Oh, Savino's only one who knows about this. I have no idea about this. I had already given up on whatever this is supposed to be. All right, squeeze in this band. This is Mark, Richard Diglio, guitar, backing vocals. Pat Fontaine, bass Terry Illus Ilus Vocals, Paul Monroe. Drum. I don't know. Yes. Maybe. Let's do this. It's not what I wanted, but. See, I told you it wasn't going to give me what I wanted. Although maybe in some weird way, it did give me what I wanted. [00:14:50] Speaker A: You had been asking stuff like this before. Likely at 80s metal. Hair metal. [00:14:54] Speaker D: Yeah, I guess so. Okay, here we go. So this is Maggie. [00:15:04] Speaker B: 1, 2, danger empty flame if you step out of line Stranger I, I barely know your name but you already mine St of overdose Butter up your nose now you ready to fly what the hell? Who's got a tail on your rock and roll high? Queen of the light Love the cry My day Stars in your mind My day D in the night. [00:16:30] Speaker A: I remember this song. Like I said, I have this. So I don't think the song is bad at all. And it. And it's funny, I don't think I realized or remember that Don D can have produced it. But it does sound like the production on his first solo album, now that I think about it. What do you think, Mark? [00:16:45] Speaker D: I don't know. This is everything I hate about this. It's so stock of what this turned out to be. And everything started to sound like this. I mean, I can hear the little bit of docket influence in there. I heard a little Klaus line when he goes high. I mean, the riff is sort of kind of interesting, I guess. Does nothing for me. This is where all this started to jump to. Shark. Every band got signed because they're pretty and they did poppy songs. I don't know. It's just kind of what it is. I don't think it's played badly. And I'll probably say that for most stuff in that time. Almost all these guys could play their instruments. It's just. There's nothing here that does anything for me. Yeah. [00:17:18] Speaker A: He went on to sing for Great White. That's what it was. [00:17:21] Speaker D: I could hear that. [00:17:22] Speaker A: I know it's somebody pretty famous. Frank, what do you think? [00:17:25] Speaker C: I'm digging it. I really do. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Right. It's not bad. [00:17:27] Speaker C: It's not bad. I mean, you know. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Hey, listen, it's all right. [00:17:34] Speaker C: Is it stock sound? Yeah, but they did it really well. They captured it really well so far. I really do like balance here. The guitars, the bass and the drums. Everything is very well produced. I have a friendly feeling this is going to be again. And I always refer back to American angel. Because that was like one of those bands that just missed the party. This is one of those bands that probably missed a party so far, but I love it. One of the things that always blew my mind about these foreign bands is how they lose their accent when they sing. I never understood that. They sound perfectly. [00:18:02] Speaker A: You can hear his. But I think he's the only one. [00:18:05] Speaker C: Not that bad. I don't hear it really. [00:18:08] Speaker A: No, no. It's. It isn't something. No, But I think he's the actually the only. I think the other people are from the U.S. i think he's the only one who's actually foreign. The singer. Yeah. [00:18:17] Speaker C: But you don't hear his accent really that bad. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Oh, no, yeah. [00:18:21] Speaker C: It sounds great. [00:18:21] Speaker A: You know, you could definitely. A little bit. [00:18:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. But the other. The rest of the band are Americans. [00:18:25] Speaker A: I believe so. Yeah. [00:18:27] Speaker C: We got to look that up as we continue through this album. But so far, liking it. Let's go. [00:18:31] Speaker D: One, two. Danger empty fame if you step out of line Stranger I barely know your name but you're already mine Stardom overdose Powder up your nose now you're ready to fly what the hell? Who's gonna tell on your rock and roll high pre Chorus oh, oh, oh Queen of a lie oh, oh, oh Lover to cry Chorus Maggie stars in your eyes Maggie tears in the night Besides it being stock music, the lyrics are super stock, too. While we're at it. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, they're fine. There was definitely worse going on in that time, but. Yeah, I mean, every once in a while you kind of find that nugget. Gold nugget. [00:19:12] Speaker C: The only issue I have so far is the title of the song. Maggie. There's only one Maggie. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Bonus Maggie May Rodstone. [00:19:19] Speaker D: Are you expecting any more from this? Production is pretty good. I'm not saying production is bad. Don Dawkin did a good job at that. It's. Everything's balanced. It all sounds good. It feels like vanilla or pudding. It's not bad. It's not as good as chocolate pudding. [00:19:32] Speaker C: I don't know. I think it's more like Madagascar vanilla. A little bit better. Nice. [00:19:37] Speaker A: A little bit of the bean in there. [00:19:38] Speaker D: Got a lot more credit than it deserves. Continue. Here we go. [00:20:03] Speaker B: We are the light rocking. [00:20:48] Speaker A: More of the same again. I'm not saying this is. Whoa. What is this? I thought as a lead off track, it was his tease. I don't even remember how I discovered these guys. I really don't. Because I had this before Nick had it. Because I actually had my own copy. It wasn't even something I borrowed from Nick. Like, I have this on cassette somewhere. I have no idea if it's just one of those things, like, who the hell are these guys? I'm just buying this. And I was like, oh, good stuff here. I was like, you probably heard it. [00:21:12] Speaker C: At Rock and Rex. [00:21:15] Speaker A: No, no, not in 89. I was still in the Bronx. [00:21:18] Speaker C: You were making trips up to the suburbs to Rock and Rex. [00:21:20] Speaker A: No, I don't know. I honestly, this is probably either believe it or not, either a Casadill disco thing. [00:21:27] Speaker C: Oh, maybe. [00:21:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Or a Pelham Parkway thing. [00:21:30] Speaker C: Oh, wow. Okay. Well, Rock and Rex was more like indie, the bootleg mixtapes kind of thing. [00:21:37] Speaker A: He didn't have a lot of like brand new hair metal like this over there. [00:21:42] Speaker C: You would have discovered Metallica at Rockin Rex. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah, you. I mean you could have found some of the heavier stuff and like you said, some of the indie stuff, some of the. Yeah, no wave stuff. [00:21:50] Speaker C: Lo fi stuff for those listening in. Rock and Rex was like this really hole in the wall music record shop that you would just walk in and they had the most obscure music that you could find. They did have some of the Metallica early days bootleg mixtapes where people actually show up and have a hand recorder record their shows. Before Metallica was a thing, they were just an opening act for other bands. [00:22:15] Speaker A: Well, the guy would trade a lot if you had something you would trade for like store credit. I did a lot of store credit there. And I may have told the story before, but right before they closed, he has these bins of vinyl. I'm like, oh, cool. And they, they were marked the dollar. I was like, awesome. And that. He says to me, if you can find 20 of them, I'll give them to you for a dime a piece. I wound up buying 120. Not garbage. I'm talking about Doors, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, Kiss, Pearl Jam. You know what I mean? Stuff that. A lot of 80s metal. Yeah, like quite a few things. I'm like, oh, I don't. Who cares? Even if there's one good song of this, it's 10 cents. I'm like, dude, you. You know who you're talking to. [00:23:00] Speaker C: He was really big into punk too. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Oh yeah, they had a lot of punk. [00:23:04] Speaker C: Massive punk collection that I think that outside of England may be the biggest collection of punk. [00:23:11] Speaker A: Yeah, he had a nice collection of stuff. [00:23:14] Speaker D: Okay, so. Lyrics. Sunrise I won't mind if you kiss me goodbye. You gotta let go honey. Don't you know angels meet the sky and pre chorus again. Then Maggie stars in your eyes Maggie Tears in the night Maggie Rock and roll high Maggie kiss me Goodbye. So I assume we're going to have the obligatory solo now. And it's kind of funny, I complained about the last record, that that's not my thing. And you would think this would be my thing, but it's really not my thing. This is where to me, it all started to fall apart. I have to say, though, there were one or two bands in the late 80s that were okay with me. Like, I wasn't horribly against warrant. I kind of liked Warren. I thought they were okay. At least the songwriting was better. I thought this time this stuff is. You know, he can sing and they can play. It's just the songwriting is just very. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, Warren had their stinkers. Oh, yeah. [00:24:03] Speaker D: No, of course. I just think overall he was a better songwriter. And these guys are. It's just. [00:24:08] Speaker A: You got one song in, man. Give these guys a chance. You might be. Listen, they may. They may win you over later on. [00:24:14] Speaker D: They haven't won me over in 40 years. [00:24:17] Speaker A: Well, you never heard this before, though. [00:24:19] Speaker D: There'S probably a reason why, like I. [00:24:21] Speaker A: Said, my last hurrah over the Fence, where I just completely switched over to alternative. I can pretty much tell you this was the last thing I bought. And it wasn't even because I. This and I saw it and like I said, oh, some good songs on here. This was. I'm pretty sure, because I never got. I never did Firehouse or whatever I'm forgetting from that era. So this was it. [00:24:42] Speaker D: Yeah, Firehouse, whole nother situation. Okay, here we go. Solo time. [00:25:42] Speaker A: I'm sure you love that, Mark. [00:25:44] Speaker D: I mean, it's technically not bad. It's not like it's out of tune or anything. Like you can play. What are you hearing here that you couldn't hear in any other late 80s hair metal band? [00:25:53] Speaker A: Well, I think it started before the late 80s. [00:25:56] Speaker C: The end. The end. I hear the end. [00:26:03] Speaker A: I mean, I know we say late 80s. This is. It wasn't only late 80s that you were hearing this. I mean, you were hearing some of this even in the mid. [00:26:11] Speaker D: No, I know. You could take this guy out of this band and stick him in another band and no one would know and no one would care. This is all cl. This is all clone stuff. This is a clone of. It's so cloned. And listen, it happened in the grunge era. It happened in the late 90s too. It probably happened in the 60s. Happened in the 70s. You get bands that are just the copycats of everything that's priority and it's just not as good there's nothing that sets this apart. Like when you hear Daken, you hear Guitar player there and you know it's him. [00:26:37] Speaker C: Like when I hear Pretty Boy Floyd, you know it's them. [00:26:41] Speaker A: We have to get that album for Frank. I'm telling you, one of these days, not next time. Because this is obviously. I mean, Pretty Boy Floyd kind of falls and then the late 80s hair metal stuff. We have to just get this thing. Because, I mean, anybody who listens, imagine if people haven't heard it. They're like, oh, my God. Pretty Boy Floyd, according to Frank, influenced every single artist ever. [00:27:07] Speaker C: They were so good. It's so cheesy. It's so good. [00:27:11] Speaker A: They were cheesy as hell, but they had some good songs. [00:27:14] Speaker C: Their initial release was so good. Electric Boys Were Electric Toys was so good. It was so good. [00:27:20] Speaker D: Probably better than this, because if they're cheesy, that means they had some kind of thing going on. What they were trying to do, as opposed to this is just like, ah, we're. We're. That's what we're doing. We want to sound like this. I want to sound like that guy. And this is what we're doing. Because otherwise we won't get signed. Otherwise we won't get a deal if we don't sound like this. That doesn't work. Because what happens, that is. How many records have these guys released? They have a record after this? [00:27:38] Speaker C: I think two in total. Three? [00:27:40] Speaker A: No, they had. I think. I thought they had more than that. [00:27:42] Speaker C: Really? Okay. I thought three total, at least. [00:27:46] Speaker A: Three? [00:27:46] Speaker D: Yeah. Three total. [00:27:48] Speaker A: Is it three total? [00:27:49] Speaker C: Yeah, three total. For sure. [00:27:51] Speaker D: I thought the next one didn't even chart. One after that didn't even chart because this is it. [00:27:55] Speaker C: This was the tail end right behind. I think the next biggest thing behind this was Dr. Feelgood. [00:27:59] Speaker A: That's it. No, no, Firehouse, Man. Firehous was pretty big. And, you know, Bon Jovi was still carrying the torch. [00:28:05] Speaker C: Yeah, but what was Firehouse? [00:28:06] Speaker A: They were. They were signed in 89. [00:28:08] Speaker C: Firehouse came out, what, 90? I always associated Firehouse as the absolute end. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Well, yeah, they were probably the end of the new bands that made a name for themselves. Yeah, some of the bands stuck around. Poison stuck around. Motley Crue stuck around a bit. [00:28:22] Speaker C: Poison is so good live. If you guys ever have a chance to watch them live, they're still so good. [00:28:27] Speaker D: They weren't good when they were in their big prime. [00:28:30] Speaker A: I know they weren't that great before, man. [00:28:33] Speaker D: They're better now than they were then. [00:28:34] Speaker C: Hey, listen, whatever it was during that stadium tour that they had with Motley Crue, Joan Jett, Def Leppard. They were really good. I mean, cece came out with his long hair. He looked like cousin it. I don't know where the hair came from. They were so good. [00:28:48] Speaker D: Everything I've seen from that tour, Poison, I think, was the best band on. [00:28:52] Speaker C: That bill by far. [00:28:53] Speaker D: Okay, so now that we've gone through the solo, we're gonna go into obligatory slowdown part. [00:29:27] Speaker B: My day dealing the night. My day rocking behind my. Kiss me, kiss me. The. [00:30:08] Speaker A: See mark. You got your fade right off the bat. [00:30:11] Speaker D: I do like the fade. I'm a sucker with the fade. Oh, can I go first? Me, me, me. Please? [00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah, you got to go first, man. [00:30:17] Speaker C: All right, go ahead. Here comes the ship parade. [00:30:21] Speaker D: It's not as bad as what I'm gonna say. It's fives. It's fives. It's mid. It's everything that a hair metal band should have and the song should have, except it's so stock and so predictable and so taking from before and doing exactly what everyone thinks should be in a hair metal thing or whatever you want to call metal back in the day. Not just hair metal, but metal, glam metal, whatever you want to call it back in the 80s. That's why it didn't do anything, because you could wide listen to this when you can listen to anything else not played badly. It's not sung badly, it's not produced badly. It's just. We're going to call it mid, right? It's mid. It's just right there. Could you put it on and go? Okay, yeah, it's fine. What do you get out of this as far as wanting to hear more stuff? I don't know. I mean, unless this is, like, the music. You love, this kind of thing, then I guess you'd probably make this. Give this nines and sevens and whatever. But for me, and again, I say I do like Warrant. They are from the late 80s. This is not even on the level of Firehouse. Really? Because Firehouse had some big, gigantic songs. I might not like all the stuff, but they had a couple of big songs right at the end of what, 1991. Right before everything went to shit. Yeah. [00:31:24] Speaker C: Be careful what you say about Firehouse. We may. We may have it. We may have to knuckle fight. [00:31:30] Speaker D: Oh, no, I'm not a big fan of Firehouse. I'm just saying that they did have big songs. [00:31:33] Speaker C: They did. They really did. They were so good. [00:31:35] Speaker A: They did. [00:31:36] Speaker D: So I'm gonna Give it fives across. Because I kind of think that it's not done badly. It's just. [00:31:39] Speaker C: Just. [00:31:40] Speaker D: Yeah, frack. [00:31:41] Speaker C: I'm giving it seven all the way across. To your point, Mark. Yeah. This is a boiler template kind of song so far, but it's so well produced. The lyrics are great. They're really good. They fit the time, they fit the timepiece. Everything about it, the production, the melody, every. I love everything about this song. So seven across. For me. [00:31:57] Speaker A: You can't start a fire without a spark. But there's something that I guarantee it's quintuple. [00:32:01] Speaker D: 7. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Nikki Titty baby. [00:32:05] Speaker C: How about you, Seth? [00:32:06] Speaker A: I'm gonna say sixes across. I think there's better stuff coming up. From what I remember, stuff that has a little bit more feel. Not the next song, because I don't like the next song. And I definitely didn't like the album after this. I feel like whatever personality I liked in this album wasn't in the next one. And I think, Mark, if we got the next one, you'd be ripping that. From what I remember, you'd really be ripping that to. Because I think this still has this. There's. There's some feel on this album, like, I think this song has some feel to it that in my opinion, there's a little something different here. Not majorly different. A little bit. And that, Ben. And that is exactly something else. And I can't figure it out. So, I mean, sixes, I. It again, I'm not going, oh, Mark, you gave it fives. I'm giving it whatever. No sixes. I thought as a lead off track for something where I didn't know what to expect because I didn't know who the hell they were. I was like, oh, not bad. [00:32:56] Speaker D: I think the riff's okay. That little beginning riff thing's not horrible. [00:32:59] Speaker A: I do want to change the production score. I don't want to give production A6. I want to give production A7. It's actually produced a little bit better than I remember. I thought it was a little bit tinier, but it's not as tinny. [00:33:08] Speaker C: I mean, he's done talking. Come on, bro. [00:33:11] Speaker A: It sounds like his solo album. [00:33:13] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, his solo album was so good. Oh, my gosh. [00:33:17] Speaker D: Next song. This is Inside out. Here we go. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Between the two hours Fire, I will come on and let it go inside out. [00:34:36] Speaker A: This, to me, and I don't think it's only a late 80s thing. I'm having heard a lot of this stuff back then. This, to me, is that generic. The thing like this song. Never. I don't think it's horrible. And the production is still pretty good. And some of the. Musically, some of the stuff that's going on is decent. But Mark, when you talk about to me, Stock. This is stock. [00:34:58] Speaker D: This is bad. Winger is bad. Winger. [00:35:03] Speaker C: I don't think it's bad. You know what? This could very easily be a rat song. [00:35:06] Speaker A: I can hear them doing that kind of thing. [00:35:10] Speaker C: I can hear Steven Percy singing this out. [00:35:12] Speaker D: I'm not even a big rat fan, and I take rat over this. No, this is that beginning riff thing. I was like, what the does that sound like? It sounds like 17, just not as good. If there was such a thing as cut and paste back in 89, this is what happened. They cut and paste. This is what they did. [00:35:31] Speaker A: Well, it makes sense because I don't like that song either. So when I got to this, I'm. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Like, how did that song did not get canceled out during the culture cancel period? [00:35:43] Speaker A: Listen, as a band, they were already done before any. Anything like that happened. [00:35:47] Speaker C: Well, let me just tell you that Kit Winger still shows up. He's like, just like a bad penny. Shows up everywhere, you hear? Everywhere. [00:35:53] Speaker D: Yeah, but he's super talented. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah, they attract crowds, man. They're still doing their thing. Like them or not. Like them or not, you got to give them credit for that. [00:36:02] Speaker C: You gotta give them their roses. They still attract crowds and people are very devoted. [00:36:08] Speaker A: It. [00:36:08] Speaker D: I'll take Winger over this any fucking time. Production is okay. It's a little flat for me. I gotta agree. Word. I feel love between the two of us so take it off and get your point across Pre chorus fire up and let me know Come on, honey, let it go Chorus inside out oh, do it again Inside out oh, do it again that chorus reminds me of something. I can't put my finger on what it reminds me of. [00:36:33] Speaker A: But that's the thing. It's reminiscent of a lot of things, I think. I mean, it could be something specific that you're thinking of. To me, this is the. You know that. The doom da da and the dun dun dun dun dun dun dun da thing that was on so many records back then. When I listened to this, I remember saying whatever personality I liked in the first one, it's lost in this one. And it's either this or one of the songs on the second side. I think there was a decent MTV hit. [00:36:56] Speaker D: I have no clue about that. I have no idea. Here we go. [00:37:03] Speaker B: I guess. What else you got in mind? When no men yes. We got to draw we got to draw the line Come on, I'm. And let it go Inside out Inside out. [00:38:07] Speaker A: I mean, that buildup was slightly different. When I listened to this cassette, I would always skip this song. I think the production's decent. It's pretty slick, but it's not too trebly slick, I think. [00:38:19] Speaker D: No, it's pretty good. He's doing a good job, Don Doking. Although I forgot to mention, it's the worst band name in the face of creation. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Xyz. [00:38:26] Speaker D: Let's just take the last three letters of the Alphabet. That's our name. [00:38:29] Speaker A: I don't know, man. There's some worst stuff. [00:38:30] Speaker C: That used to be the name of nightclub I used to hang out with. Xyz. [00:38:33] Speaker D: Still. It's a bad name for a nightclub, too. [00:38:36] Speaker A: Sucks. [00:38:38] Speaker D: Again. Production's okay. Don Dawkins doing a good job at that. Everything that's wrong with late 80s hair metal. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Yeah. But you know, Mark, this isn't only having heard a lot of this stuff, especially from one person that was really into this stuff. I heard a lot of this. [00:38:52] Speaker D: Oh, no, it's not the only one. I'm not saying, oh, this is the. The shredded book. The Camel's Back. [00:38:56] Speaker A: No, no. I'm saying, though, this style was prevalent, I think, even before kind of this wave came in. [00:39:02] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I mean, this started probably. This probably started 87. Things started to happen after Slippery went. Well, sort of kind of after that. Then everything started to sound like this. [00:39:12] Speaker C: 87. 88,788 around there. They all started to be like a cookie cutter. [00:39:17] Speaker D: All right, so here are words. There's a couple of cringe areas in here, too, where you look back and go, ooh, yeah, this probably wouldn't work today. Should I guess what else you got on your mind? When no means yes, We've got to draw. We've got to draw the line. And then back to the pre chorus. And back to the chorus. [00:39:35] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:39:36] Speaker D: And then I guess. Come on, honey. That's what's happening right before the solo. He can sing, and obviously they can play their instruments. It's just. It's so manufactured, and it feels manufactured. Whether it is. I don't know. It sounds like someone said, all right, this is what we're going to do. We're going to take all this stuff that everyone's doing. We're just going to make our versions of this because we want to get on the radio, and that works for a little bit. Sooner or later, that's the Reason why grunge came flowing around because people got sick of this, I think a little bit, that it just became super predictable. And people thought more of themselves than they really. They should have. And it got so big and it was around for a while. I mean, think about a new wave of British heavy metal was early 80s. This lasted into the early 90s, 10 years, a long time. [00:40:16] Speaker A: I mean, just so you know, these guys were. At least since 1984. I don't know what they sounded like back then. And if they kind of started going more towards this. They actually formed in France in 1980. So they've been kicking around, I'm pretty sure the stuff that early 80s probably didn't sound like this. They kicked around for a while, man. [00:40:33] Speaker D: I'll give them a positive. They're not as bad as the bands that were on that movie. What was that? Decline of Western Civilization, Part 2. Odin. Odin. Odin. You want to talk about really bad hair metal? Oh, my God. Some really horribly bad stuff that makes this thing sound like Bon Jovi. So these are the guys that came out of all the. That was put. When Was that done? 86, 87, right? Or 88. I forget when that movie came out. [00:40:56] Speaker A: I don't remember. [00:40:57] Speaker D: It was late 80s, though. [00:40:58] Speaker C: What, the original or the second part? [00:41:00] Speaker A: Part two. [00:41:01] Speaker C: Part two came out much later. I think it was like 88. I think it's right about now. 80, 89. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Probably something like that. Because, I mean, Poison's in it. I don't know if it's. I mean, they definitely didn't get to the third album yet when they were in it. I don't even know if they were on the second one, so I'm not sure. I mean, we could look it up. [00:41:16] Speaker D: Obviously, that could have been recorded in 86. [00:41:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It could have been done a while before. [00:41:21] Speaker D: Okay, solo. Here we go. [00:41:59] Speaker B: Come on. [00:42:01] Speaker A: I don't know. What'd you think, Mark? It's the formula, right? [00:42:04] Speaker D: Every cliched guitar. 80s thing into one tapping dive bar. Super fast legato run things in a way that no one knows who you are and you sound like everybody else. Because George lynch could play fast legato things and do things, but it sounds like him. This is just such cookie cutter. I mean, even Winger, really. Red Beast, you know, when he's playing guitar, he doesn't sound like this. I don't know what it was about that time where everyone was just a cookie cutter of everything else. It drove me crazy back then. It drives me crazy now. It's technically good, so that's what I can say. Technically, it's very good. He can play. They all can play, song wise. And what they're doing is just trying to copy everything that's there and hoping that they get on the radio. And I'm surprised. They actually had three records and they had one in 2003. But that's probably just because they wanted to do something. I couldn't really think any record companies putting anything out like this in 2003. [00:42:55] Speaker C: You said 2003? [00:42:57] Speaker D: I think so. [00:42:58] Speaker C: That's late. [00:42:58] Speaker D: I know. I'm almost positive it was 2003. Let me just double check so I don't sound like an asshole. Not 89, 91, 2003. They have compilation albums, though, and live albums. They have two live albums, three compilation albums. [00:43:12] Speaker A: Maybe it has some of that original stuff I was reading. The drummer and the guitar player came in later, like kind of right before this album was recorded. They were saying that they kind of gave it a little bit of. So I'm thinking that it probably sounded slightly different than what we're hearing here. They were decently received, though. I mean, reviews for this record were pretty good. [00:43:30] Speaker D: Oh, he also said that his accent was so heavy that he had a hard time harmonizing. So Don Dawkins sang backing vocals on the album. [00:43:38] Speaker A: Makes sense. I can hear him. [00:43:39] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay, let's back it up. Let's continue. Here we go. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Between the two of us. Inside out. Whoa. Inside, inside. [00:44:56] Speaker A: Gotta love the scream at the end when he screams. [00:44:59] Speaker D: He sounds like Klaus mine. I don't know why I hear that every time. [00:45:02] Speaker C: I love it. Very Steel Dragon Life. [00:45:05] Speaker D: Very Marky Mark. Like, okay. [00:45:07] Speaker C: One of my favorite movies when it comes to music. [00:45:10] Speaker D: It is a good movie, though. I do kind of enjoy that thing. [00:45:13] Speaker C: It is. It's so great. And it does such a good job of capturing the whole transition from hair metal to the whole grunge 90s sappy coffee music. I love it. [00:45:24] Speaker D: Well, why don't you go first, Frank? [00:45:25] Speaker C: I don't like this as much as the previous song. Lyrics and melody. I'm going to give those a six. Everything else I do like the production, so I'm going to give that a seven. Arrangement music. A six. Six. How about you, Seth? [00:45:39] Speaker A: Like I said, I've just never been a fan of this one. I'm going to say a three on the lyrics, a four on the music. I mean, melody isn't terrible. You can kind of sing along to it. So I'll say five on the melody arrangement is fine. I mean, they do Kind of do that little interesting thing before the solo and that little Van Halen, he sounded kind of thing after the solo. So I'll say a five on that and I'll say a six on the production. I don't think it's as good as the first one, but it's not bad. [00:46:05] Speaker D: Mark, I'm gonna agree lyric wise, three, it's not great melody wise, it's not horrible. I'm gonna say five music. I mean the music. As far as playing wise, they're fine. I'm gonna save six, arrangement, five, production, six. I think it's more of a singly kind of thing, so maybe that's why it's a little easier to digest. And was probably a single, I guess, right? Inside out was a single. [00:46:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a single. [00:46:29] Speaker D: Yeah, it sounds like it's a single. It was written like it should be a single, but, you know, I mean, nothing spectacular here. It's just what it is. [00:46:35] Speaker C: Sav. Just really quick, was this the single that you're referring to that was not your favorite? [00:46:40] Speaker A: Yes. Which I didn't know. Like I said, I didn't know anything about this band when I bought it. I don't know why I bought it. I just bought it. [00:46:46] Speaker C: You just bought it? Yeah. Okay. [00:46:47] Speaker A: And then I saw this video on mtv, but I already knew the song after I. Before I saw the video. [00:46:53] Speaker C: Basically. This was your least favorite song. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a couple of other ones that aren't as great. This is definitely one of my least. The next one could be my. My favorite. [00:47:03] Speaker C: Okay. [00:47:03] Speaker A: I like the next one that has feel. And Frank, you may hear a little tinge because you're always talking about American angel too. Here we go. You may hear a little tinge of how can I miss you? Okay, so I think the next song has a. Has good feel to it. [00:47:22] Speaker D: So can I ask, is this the ballad? [00:47:24] Speaker A: It's mid tempo. The ballad. Ballad is on the second side, which I don't really. Yeah, this is a mid tempo. There's a little bit of White snake in this too. I think you're gonna hear it. It's a little reminiscent of. Is this love? It's. It's got that vibe to it. [00:47:38] Speaker D: Oh, you shouldn't have said that. They're trying to do Is this love? Is never gonna sound any good because. [00:47:42] Speaker A: No, but it's like. It's that. No, but it's that vibe. [00:47:45] Speaker C: Trying to say this a makeout song. This is a makeout song. You know how I feel about makeout songs. [00:47:49] Speaker A: I just Think this has a really good vibe to it, honestly. And I frank necessarily picked you making altogether. But you know what? If you came to me said hey, give me an xyz, here we go, make our song. [00:48:00] Speaker C: Okay, here we go. Yeah, make our song alert. [00:48:04] Speaker A: You'd be like, hey, give me an XYZ song. I'd be like, do this one. [00:48:07] Speaker C: Okay. For all those who looking for tape of make out songs. Here we go, an alert coming out right now. [00:48:13] Speaker D: Okay, so here we go. This is what keeps me loving you. [00:48:46] Speaker B: Tell me why I never stay where I belong Take me home I dream of the town in blue of your eyes what keeps me loving you it's easy to know I touch what keeps me loving you it feels it to know when it's love. [00:49:41] Speaker A: I've always liked this song from the first moment. I love the vibe of it. Again, am I saying this is original? No, but I just think there's a lot of feel to this song. Way more than the first two. It does remind me of Is this Love, which is probably one of my, if not my favorite mid tempo ballad of the 80s. I just. I just think it has such a great vibe to it. And even now I'm kind of like singing along and all the words and everything. But I don't know what you guys think. What do you think, Mark? [00:50:07] Speaker D: It's so horrible. It's horrible. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Oh man. [00:50:12] Speaker D: It wants to be that song. It can't be that song. Guitar playing is not very good. The tone of the guitar is not very good. It's not really produced very well. I don't know what the going on here. You're right. What it wants to be, it's about 25 rungs underneath that. It's just not a good. I mean, I can understand why you might like it, but for me this is like. Oh my God. This is. This is worse than the first two because it wants to be that song. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Save me here. [00:50:42] Speaker D: But it can't be anything good here. Oh my God. [00:50:45] Speaker C: You know, for me, this is gonna be Skinny Mac. That first. The first movie you see on Skinmax. You hear this song on that first run. It's not. It's the warm up to the real skin of Max. [00:50:58] Speaker D: This is like Skin and Max. When you couldn't get it and all this. The wavy lines you were trying to get through, that's what this is. It's not even Skin and Max. This is a scrambled version of Skin and Max. [00:51:08] Speaker A: I will be honest with you. Back in the day, I don't think I really Put. Obviously I said it before the song even came on. When I thought about it, I was like, oh, yeah, it's reminiscent. I. Listen, you guys don't have to like it. I think it's a really good. I love the feel of this song. I like the production. I like the guitar. [00:51:23] Speaker C: I don't hate it. I just like, like, you know. Yeah, I'm a big fan of skin. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, listen, you guys have your skin. I just like the song. There's a lot of feel to this song. And I think something like this separated them a little bit from some of the other stuff. [00:51:38] Speaker C: Is it White Snake? Is this love? No, that's passionate making out. Like you're passionate about this. You know, this song is. You had a couple of fireballs shots and you're making all sloppy in the bathroom. [00:51:49] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, these are not fireballs, man. [00:51:53] Speaker C: This is sloppy make out in the bathroom after a couple of fireball shots. [00:52:00] Speaker D: So this is Love is first guru's day off. And this thing is when it was scrambled and you couldn't see it. That's what this is. It's just. Oh, my God. [00:52:10] Speaker C: I'm not on it. I'm just saying, you know, Is this love? That's a high bar. Very high bar. There's some passionate making out right there. This. [00:52:17] Speaker A: You know, I'm just saying, I. I. [00:52:18] Speaker C: Hear shots in the fireballs. Ghost Flyer, Goldschlager. [00:52:26] Speaker A: I recently discovered that I actually like Jagermeister. I thought I didn't like it back in the day, then had it recently. I was like, oh, it's not bad. [00:52:35] Speaker C: Colo and I, we used to do the shot. It used to be Jagermeister, Rumpelman, Gold, Schlager, and 151. How are you still standing today? Is incomprehensible. We still do those shots all the time. [00:52:49] Speaker D: I have no idea. [00:52:50] Speaker A: That's because you're under 21. [00:52:52] Speaker C: And for those who are listening, you know, Nick used to be part of the show many moons ago. [00:52:57] Speaker A: So. [00:52:58] Speaker C: So Nick and I used to go out a lot. Yeah, that shot. Yeah, yeah. Look at us, like, cross eyed, like. Are you serious right now? Oh, yeah. Pour that up. Let's go. [00:53:08] Speaker D: All right, well, I have to read some lyrics. Unfortunately, every time I walk away it feels so wrong Tell me why I'll never stay where I belong Ooh, take me home I dream of the dawn in the blue of your eyes Ooh, take me home what keeps me loving you Is easy to know when we touch what keeps me loving you is easy to Know when it's love when it's love. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Oh, oh, Come on, Mark. When it's love. Yeah, but when it's love is that that phrase has been used more than you don't have to like. I just. I always like this one. [00:53:39] Speaker C: I like the lyrics because clearly it's a bad woman you should stay away from. So there's that. [00:53:47] Speaker A: I never heard that one before. [00:53:49] Speaker D: Here we go. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Every time I say goodbye I can be free so tell me why I never try to let it feel Tomorrow will come if you hold me tonight what keeps me loving you? It's easy to know when we much what keeps me loving you? It's easy. [00:54:53] Speaker A: Boom. Solo. [00:54:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I'm conflicted as well. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Not me. I love that song. [00:55:01] Speaker D: There's no conflicting for me. This is so, so bad. [00:55:05] Speaker A: I've always liked this song. [00:55:08] Speaker D: Even though it's so bad. [00:55:09] Speaker C: It's so good. [00:55:10] Speaker A: No, I'm so glad that this is so divisive because this is the one where I'm hoping that somebody chimes in and says, you know what, Sam? Yes, you're right on this one. [00:55:23] Speaker C: Listen, I'm gonna say relax with the whole is this love? Level. No, but it's so cheesy. So good. [00:55:30] Speaker A: I just love the vibe of it and. Yeah. Does it remind me of that? Absolutely. But I love the vibe of that song too. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Dude. I like the vibe of the song. Yes, 100%. The vibe is awesome. [00:55:39] Speaker A: I think that's just what it is. [00:55:41] Speaker D: Okay. Hear more lyrics. Every time I say goodbye I can't be free so tell me why I'll never try to let it be Ooh, take my hand Tomorrow will come if you hold me tonight Ooh, take my hand. And back to the chorus again. I don't know. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Yeah, listen, these people are not winning any poetry contests. I mean. [00:56:00] Speaker C: But I appreciate the lyrics. Lyrics. I appreciate it. I like it. [00:56:04] Speaker A: It goes with the song. Believe me, the lyrics are going to be the. My lowest score on this. [00:56:08] Speaker C: Wow. Really? [00:56:09] Speaker A: Me? Yeah. They're not going to be terrible. It's very typical, right? I mean, it's exactly the words that you would expect this band to write to this type of music. But it's still, you know, it's a sentiment. [00:56:18] Speaker D: Okay, solo here we. [00:57:12] Speaker A: That's exactly the soul the song needed. I will tell you that the solo and Is this Love could be one of my favorite all time solos. I mean, when John Sykes does in that song is ridiculous. I just think he does kind of that vibe. Yeah, absolutely. I just think he did what he needed to do for this song. And I'm a little. I'm kind of okay a little bit with the shredding because I still think it's kind of within that realm. I just think it has feel. And some of the song before this, to me, had no feel. This. I was like, oh, this is cool. Like, I just. I wasn't expecting it. After the first two songs. I'm still digging it. [00:57:41] Speaker D: Technically, it played very well. Again, you can't tell who this is. And that's really my problem with all this stuff. When you think of John Sykes playing something like this, you know it's him. Well, he's a better guitar player, I think, overall, maybe not technically. I don't know. I mean, this guy's technically very, very good guitar player. I'm not going to take that away from him. He can play. It's just a lot of the stuff just was forced into this thing. I just think people did this because they thought that's what they should be doing. I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm wrong about that. I have no idea. It just started to go down this rabbit hole so fast. And this song does want to be that other song. And I'm sure they went, oh, wow, this kind of sounds like that. Well, maybe it's going to be as big as that. No, it's not. Whereas, like, all the playing and stuff, I can't give that bad marks because, you know, they're good guitar player and drummers. He can sing too. It's not like everything's bad here. It's the sum of the parts put together just makes it. Whatever. Let's continue. Here we go. [00:58:41] Speaker B: When we touch what keeps me loving you what keeps me loving you? It's easy to love what keeps me loving Love and you it's easy to know. [00:59:59] Speaker A: You know what, 89. This still could have been a hit. I'm looking at some of the stuff that was out. This could have been a hit. Something like this would sell no.89, man. I'm looking at some stuff in 89. It could have. It could have still been a hit. There was still enough of whatever going around that I think it could have captured in an audience. I mean, it was a single, so who knows? I don't know what push it got. Maybe didn't make it. I said, I don't know. Just because I like it doesn't mean other people have to like it. [01:00:23] Speaker C: Oh, it was a single. [01:00:24] Speaker A: Yeah. This is the song before it, I think, were the only two singles on the album. Okay. If I read correctly. All right. [01:00:28] Speaker D: You go for a sav, because this is your favorite song. [01:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm gonna say a six on the lyrics and eight everything else. I love the song then and I love it now. It just has that vibe to me. I love the vibe of this song. I like the melody. You know, the lyrics are what they are. I think the production is perfect for it. Did I say back then that it sounded like. I guess as you age a little bit and you hear stuff over and over, you kind of realize where. And yeah, it definitely sounds like that. But I love that song too, by Whitesnake. That's always been one of my favorites on that album, and the solo and everything. So it would make sense that I would like this. I'm not sitting here going, oh, this is whatever. I just. Just really like the vibe of it. Go ahead, Mark. You can trash it now. [01:01:06] Speaker D: I mean, I think I've done enough of trashing what it is. Lyrics. 5. Melody. Melody's not bad. 6. Musicianship, I mean, 6. It's fine. They can play well. Arrangement. It's stock as stock can be. 4. And production. I'm going to say 5. I don't really like the production. There's something with it that I don't really like. I don't know why. It's not the way it's recorded. It just feels like there's a weird overall kind of tone on top of it that I don't like that much, frankly. [01:01:31] Speaker C: Seven is across for me. I really, really love the lyrics. I do. Very cheesy 80s lyrics. Melody, production, everything across. I really do like this song a lot. It's seven all the way across. Keep one eye open. [01:01:43] Speaker A: It's Nikki titty baby quinniple. [01:01:45] Speaker C: 7. Is it white snake? Is this love good? No, but it really great song. Sloppy make out after some Goldschlager socks. [01:01:56] Speaker D: So the next song is Take what you can. [01:01:58] Speaker B: That's. Is it Dust for the sky. Survival of a dream. The best. If you make it. L. You walk in. Yeah. If you make it alive. Take what you can. Long as the night. Not in the rain. Take what you can. Cause you might never, never, never see. [01:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So this one's. Okay. Not necessarily one of my favorites either. This is definitely kind of that riff that you've heard before. I like the melody of the. The verse. I like the. The heaviness of the riff. I think it's heavy. I think it's produced well, but then kind of like when the drums come in, it weakens what the drums are playing. I think they should be playing something heavier and they should sound heavier because it kind of flattens out once the other stuff comes in. I like the verse. I can do without some of the screaming in this as well. [01:04:11] Speaker D: That riff's a bad Children of the Night riff from the 1987 Whitesnake album. [01:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's not only that thing. I mean, even the Kiss, right? Even the. The Kiss. It's like. It's a stockier riff. Without a doubt. It's even kind of reminiscent of. What is it? Fifth Angel? I appreciated more this stuff. Like Maggie, I thought, had a little bit of personality. The song before, stuff like this again, I think the verse has a pretty good melody. I think what they do is different than what you would expect. There's no. You would expect kind of more of that screaming going on through the. But they doesn't do it. So I appreciate that. [01:04:42] Speaker C: You know what I appreciate the aggressive guitar opening is very reminiscent of Zach Wilde in Miracle man up front. Guitar, you know, here it is in your face. Followed by the bass, followed by the drums. I really like it. [01:04:56] Speaker A: I wish it came in to me hearing it now again. I mean, I do remember, like I said, I remember all this whole album, so I must have listened to every song. I think the guitar has a really great sound in the beginning. [01:05:05] Speaker C: It really does. Does very reminiscent of Zack Wild. Right in your face. Zach Wild play. Yeah, it really does for me. In the beginning, when I heard it, I was like, oh, my God, this is Miracle Man. Very upfront guitar. Here we are. We're going to put the music in your face. First lyric. Second. [01:05:19] Speaker D: You're putting something in your face first. I'm not sure exactly what it is, though. [01:05:23] Speaker A: Mark is on a roll. [01:05:24] Speaker C: I said music. I will put it in music in the face. [01:05:27] Speaker A: But that's not what he's saying. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what he's saying. [01:05:31] Speaker C: I don't know about that. Okay. You know what? I'm just saying. Okay, everybody, again. That's Mark. That was. [01:05:37] Speaker A: Mark is on fire tonight. [01:05:39] Speaker C: He's on fuego. We're gonna call Fuego Mark tonight. Fuego. [01:05:43] Speaker D: Let's not compare this guy to Zach Wilde, please. I understand what you're saying, though. I understand what you're hearing there. I hear more of the Children of the night from the 87 Whitesnake album. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I hear that as well. [01:05:54] Speaker C: I definitely hear that. All I'm saying is, like, the guitar forwardness in your face to me, is Zach Wilde's very in your face guitar player play. [01:06:02] Speaker D: Yeah, he's better than this guy, you know. [01:06:06] Speaker C: I'm not comparing the two. I'm just saying it reminds me of that. [01:06:11] Speaker D: Yeah, you know why it reminds you of that? Because they're copying every thing you can copy. That's what this does. [01:06:16] Speaker C: All I'm saying is it reminds me of that. I'm not comparing it to Zach. Zach is a different class of guitar player. [01:06:22] Speaker D: No, I know, I know. I got you. Okay, words. Here's the first verse. The greyhound pulls away as the night takes on the day Exhaust and desert dust for a sky survivor of a dream Teenage versus movie scene the victim has no right but to die if you make it alive soon you won't give it a damn if you make it alive then. Choruses Take what you can Long as a night out in the rain Take what you can because you might never, never, never never see it again. You know? You might never see it again ever. Never ever. [01:06:53] Speaker A: I mean that pre course isn't bad. I mean clearly they're doing that whole kind of. Of Fallen angel sounds like kind of story. The young person teenage versus movie scene. [01:07:02] Speaker D: Yeah. The sentiment in this is a little bit better, I think, than some of the others. So. I mean, I appreciate that all. What's bad of any genre that gets oversaturated and it's maybe not even their fault. Maybe this is what Enygma wanted them to do. This is maybe what they signed. I don't know what they sounded like before. I can't tell you. Whatever. All I can say is what this is and this is what was going on. Then when you're signing every band that looked the same. I mean, didn't we have that problem? They told us that our stuff didn't sound like the stuff that was there. We can't do anything with this. We were caught in the opposite side. [01:07:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:31] Speaker D: And little did they know, a year later, it all blew up to nothing. [01:07:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean that's the funny thing. [01:07:35] Speaker D: Yes. Fortunate what happens in every genre to get super popular. The end of that genre. There's just so many copycat sounding bands that you can't. And it's not only their fault. They're not the only ones either. [01:07:47] Speaker A: No. Because I mean, like I said, I didn't know the. I listen, I didn't know enough to look into their history until now and know that they were. Were around since 84. So I was like, damn. Because if you don't know, right, you kind of think like, oh, These guys just put out a record you don't always think about. You mean think even we were talking about Rat. How long their history was. What's crazy, when you think about the album that we were listening to and how long they'd been around. But even Sonic Youth, mainstream wise, right, they became big in the 90s. You don't realize how long. [01:08:19] Speaker C: Yeah, I always. I. I always thought they were 90s band. I thought they were 90s band. I Thought they came out 90, 1990. But I was shocked to hear those much earlier than that. [01:08:30] Speaker A: Been around. [01:08:31] Speaker D: As much as I didn't like the Sonic Youth record for its myriad of things that I don't like, I give it more props than this because this is just copycat stock stuff. [01:08:41] Speaker A: If you can find something at this point again too, it could have been the mood I was into. Oh, this kind of stuck out slightly more than some of the other stuff that I was borrowing, let's say again, I reiterate, this was. This was it. This was my threshold. I specifically remember buying this and then completely switching over and never really listening to this stuff again other than borrowing some songs here or there. As much as I definitely like some of this stuff, I think it could have been the one that actually then put me over the edge and saying, okay, this is it. [01:09:11] Speaker D: Pushed him over the edge. That's it. I can't do this anymore. All right, here we go. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Fix on the day Exhausted as it does oh, it's gone. If you make it alive soon you won't give a damn if you make it alive Take what you get Long is the night I never just watch again. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I was thinking about. Oh, do I like that part better? I do think that the verse has a good melody to it and I do like the pre chorus. I think it's pretty decent. I'm. I don't like the chorus, though. He loses the melody and it's a lot of screaming. I think that's. That's where the song loses me, but I think. I don't think the rest of it is. Is terrible. Is it revolutionary? No, absolutely not. You're not to get revolutionary at this point from something like this. But to me, it stuck out a little bit more than some of the other stuff of this that I was listening to. [01:10:45] Speaker D: The riff isn't horrible at all. It's not horrible. The lyrics are. I like the pre chorus, I think, the most out of this whole thing. [01:10:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I like the pre chorus. If we pull this up first. Like this is the first time we Ever listened to it? Of course, my reaction could be different. I mean, obviously you guys are hearing it for the first time, but you know its place in history. I mean, you can put yourself back down. [01:11:04] Speaker C: Correction. My second time, 30 years later. [01:11:07] Speaker A: But it's just so weird that this album would come up. I was like, holy, I remember this. [01:11:14] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [01:11:17] Speaker D: I'm glad I don't remember this. How about that? I'm happy that I don't know what this is. [01:11:21] Speaker C: Oh, wow. That's a bold statement, Mark. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I never push this on anybody. [01:11:28] Speaker C: You need to be a fan, for sure. You need to be a fan. 100%. [01:11:31] Speaker D: All right, here we go. So here's the verse. Get off the bus to fame Nobody knows your name the free Ray dumps a fool Failure Blind greyhound pulls away as the night takes on the day Exhaust and desert dust for a sky and then back to the pre chorus. Back to the chorus. [01:11:47] Speaker A: I did have to look it up because I was like, when was Danger Danger? Danger danger was also 89. My gateway was Danger Danger. Because I like that album too. And this. These were the last two because again, because I kind of liked these two records. And their next ones both came out in 91, I think. And Nick had both, right? I actually had these, and Nick didn't have these. He had the follow up to these and I listened to them and I'm like, what the hell is this? I was like, everything I liked about these first two records was completely gone. Done. And I'm pretty sure, Mark, if we get their second album, I may give them even lower scores than you do. [01:12:30] Speaker D: I think Danger Danger is better than this. [01:12:32] Speaker A: I mean, I think these guys, at least on record, are probably better musicians. I think they show better musicianship. But I mean, Danger Danger wrote some catchy effing songs, man. I mean, holy. [01:12:43] Speaker D: I think songwriting wise are better. I don't know if their playing is better, but songwriting wise is better, I think. Think. [01:12:48] Speaker C: All right. Ho, ho. Hey, hey. Pause, pause, pause, pause. Did Sav just say effing songs? Did you just say use the word effing after cursing so many times on this podcast? He used effing. Really? [01:12:59] Speaker A: That's what came out. [01:13:00] Speaker D: Really, bro? [01:13:01] Speaker A: That's what came out. [01:13:02] Speaker C: Really? Really, bro? [01:13:04] Speaker A: That's what came out. Listen fr. Shut the up. No, I'm just kidding. [01:13:08] Speaker C: There you. [01:14:04] Speaker A: I think that when he does these little things within the context of the song, he does it pretty well. When he kind of goes outside of the song, then I don't like what he plays. That's me personally, because even in the song before, he did this little bit of shredding, but it fit with the song, and there's parts here that fit. Then he kind of steps out of it a little bit, and I'm like, ooh, I didn't like the way that sounded. [01:14:24] Speaker D: What I wanted to hear, which I didn't hear, was it sounded like there were two different kinds of solos going on. So I wish he would have, like, played something and then held a note and then had the other part come. That's what I was hearing when I heard it. It wasn't bad. I like some of the things he was trying to do. I think as far as this song goes, I think the riff and the solo part, they're pretty decent. I mean, again, he can play guitar. No one's taking that away from him whatsoever. Again, as much as I should on this for it being stock and generic. All right, let's finish this up. Here we go. [01:15:02] Speaker B: Can cuz you might never never never Take what you can Long as it's not out in the rain Take what you can Cuz you might never never never see it again. [01:15:51] Speaker A: I would have wanted an outro solo, I think. Think instead of kind of just going back to the main riff for that long. I think had he come in with a solo at the end, me personally, I think it would have made it more interesting. Listen, it's a strong riff. Is it something that we've heard before? Yeah. Not bad. [01:16:06] Speaker D: I think the chorus is the weakest part of that song. [01:16:08] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yep. I don't like the chorus because he just kind of. He goes into this screaming thing and the melody that he kind of developed before going into it with the verse and the pre chorus and just kind of dies. [01:16:19] Speaker D: Has an impressive voice twice. He can hit high notes and stuff, so he's definitely a singer of the time. Hopefully he never has to, like, do this now because that would not be fun at all. [01:16:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:16:29] Speaker D: I'm gonna go first. Lyrics a little bit better in this one. I'm gonna give it a 5. Most of the melody's good. I don't like the chorus as much, so I'm gonna six. I think the music is fine. I'm gonna give that a seven. It's the first seven I've given. So I think just the riff and the solo, if it was done a little bit different, I would like it more arrangement. It's stock arrangement. 5. And production. I liked on this one. I'm giving it a seven. [01:16:49] Speaker C: Frank, the lyric. I'M giving those a six. The music, I need to give that a five. Everything else, I'm gonna give that a seven. Seth. [01:16:58] Speaker A: It's weird because there's a couple things I want to ding, and I'm thinking of where to ding them and where to highlight the things that I like. [01:17:04] Speaker C: The guitar play. The guitar play is very Zach Wild. Guitar play. [01:17:07] Speaker A: Listen. It's good. It's. Again, you've heard that riff a few times, but it's a powerful kind of riff. Lyrics. I guess I'll say six. I'm thinking six. I could go five, but I'll say six. Music. I'll say six. I think the arrangement's fine. I'll say six. On arrangement. Melody. I'll say five because of the chorus. Because I gave sixes to other things, I'll say six. On production, I would give it a seven. There's parts of it that I like, but like I said, when you have that kind of strong guitar, which I think sounds strong, it's kind of got a little bit of the bass thing going too. And then the drums come in and they're kind of weak. Then it kind of fades away. Once it goes into the verse, I don't notice it as much. Not a bad song, but definitely without a doubt of. Of its time. [01:17:48] Speaker D: Okay, so this is the end of the first side. This is Follow the Night. [01:18:17] Speaker B: There's a strip by the corner It's a dirty part of town where the streets are getting hotter as the sun is going down Big alone Now slow down and follow the night for a while I'm gonna slow down, slow down Follow the night for. [01:19:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, once it hit the chorus, I'm like, I remember that song. It's okay. [01:19:35] Speaker D: Everybody wanted to be a cowboy. [01:19:38] Speaker A: Is that what you get out of this? [01:19:39] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, this is. Oh, look. Look at the hit the Bon Jovi had with that. Let's do something that sounds like that. Yeah, we're gonna do a cowboy sounding song. That's what it sounds like to me. I don't know. I don't like the guitar tone at the beginning. I don't like that clean guitar tone. Whatever the is going on there, I don't like that at all. Melody's okay. [01:19:54] Speaker A: I like the electric when it comes in. I like that part of it. I like that tone. But yeah, that one in the beginning is a little. It's a little. [01:20:01] Speaker D: A little tinny. All right, so here are the words. There's a strip bar at the corner It's a dirty part of town where the streets are getting hotter and the sun is going down it's been a long day Long day There's a moonlight in the gutter and a guitar on my mind for the city blues chorus. I'm going to slow down, slow down and follow the night for a while I'm going to slow down, slow down and follow the night for a while Just a little while it's okay. It is trying to copy other stuff, though, just not as good, though. That's the problem. [01:20:32] Speaker C: All I need to say is that when you are visiting those types of places, it's typically the moon is going down, not the sun. [01:20:40] Speaker D: Well, what do you want out of this, Frank? It's funny, I can hear his accent in this song more than any song. Song. I don't know why. [01:20:47] Speaker A: Maybe because he's singing slower. I don't know. But yeah, I picked up on that too. You could definitely hear it a lot here. [01:20:51] Speaker D: You're like, oh, yeah, he's not an English speaker, is he? Just the way things are kind of being put together, like, oh, it just doesn't work. Some of the lyrics just like, eh, what. What are you saying? I don't. I don't get it. Maybe he's trying to translate it and the translation doesn't work. Maybe it sounds better in French. Let's see what it does. Let's continue. Here we. [01:21:11] Speaker B: God. [01:21:49] Speaker A: I didn't realize I was going to go into the solo. Got a vibe to it again, something I felt they had a vibe. When I listened to it, it's not just all cold to me. It felt there was a little bit of eel. I like the second part better going into the verse full, as opposed to having it just him and the guitar. It makes it sound better. So I like the verse better. Horse is all right. It's fine. It's. It's one of the. Like. It's a harmless song that makes any sense. [01:22:15] Speaker D: So here's the verse. I got no plan whatsoever. I'm gonna play it all by ear maybe walk a little further get some cigarettes and beer. Another long night the longest, the longest night There's a moonlight in the gutter and a guitar in my mind for the city, the city blues Every time I hear City Blues I'm thinking Motley Crue. For some strange reason. City Boy Blues. I think what they're trying to do is happen to that thing that's going on at this point where Cowboy thing is. Whatever. After Bon Jovi's Big Gigantic song off Slippery, I think that's something everyone Tried to do a little bit. Everyone wanted to be a cowboy rock guy. This is their attempt at doing that. I think not exactly copying at all, but the vibe of the whole thing. [01:22:54] Speaker A: Thing kind of stranger to strange sound. Little vibe. [01:22:56] Speaker D: I just think that it's just not done as well. And it almost makes me feel the same way I feel when hair metal bands do blues. Maybe not as bad, but in that wheelhouse for me, which usually very cringy. [01:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I think they. For what it's worth, they do a decent job of, like I said, providing some kind of feel to the songs was kind of. Again, this. I'm not going to sit and be like, hey, listen, xyz. What do you guys hear that? It's going to blow your mind lines. [01:23:20] Speaker D: Yeah, it wasn't bad. [01:23:22] Speaker A: You know, I do the. You know, Robert De Niro when he's. He does that face. That's. That's what I'm like. Xa, xyz, not that bad. It's all right. It's one of those. Right? To me. Other than that third song, which I will always love, thinking that's all right. [01:23:36] Speaker C: They're trying to get that Southern rock Bon Jovi blazer glory sound. Not bad. Not my favorite, but. Eh. Eh. That's what I have to say. [01:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah, you got to do the De Niro face. [01:23:46] Speaker D: Okay. [01:23:48] Speaker C: Exactly. He's like, eh. The. The. Ne. [01:23:52] Speaker A: Not bad. [01:23:53] Speaker C: Not great. [01:23:54] Speaker D: Okay, here we go. Sol. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Reminiscent, I would say, but good. Listen, he played it with feel. He played it for the song, I think there wasn't any fancy whatever and wanted. [01:24:35] Speaker D: The guitar solo is just a little more composed. And there's a beginning, middle, and end. And here I don't feel there's that kind of delineation in the playing. It feels like it's all over the place. Not that it's bad. It's just. I feel if it was a little more worked out, it would have been better. Especially for a song like this. There was some feeling there. He's a good guitar player. [01:24:52] Speaker A: I felt it was the most composed. That's so funny. He kind of felt like he goes off and all the other ones. One way or another. He didn't do it here. It's kind of safe. And it did remind me a little bit actually of the solo and wanted some of the parts. Maybe just the general vibe of it, you know, whether or not it was better or not, it whatever. But just kind of had that vibe to it. [01:25:13] Speaker D: There were parts that were reminiscent. The beginning part, I think, more than anything. I think Actually, the last solo was more composed than this. This. This felt a little more off the cuff. Maybe not the whole thing. It wasn't as good because it just wasn't worked out. The parts didn't bring you up into whatever, you know, into a crescendo in the right place or whatever. It was just weird. It wasn't bad. It was just. It wasn't. Wasn't what I was expecting for this. I would have liked it a little more worked out. He's not a bad guitar player, and some places, he does have some feel. I have to appreciate that he's not doing as much of the dive, bomby, want to be Eddie Van Halen tapping stuff just because he can or he should, not because it's in your style of playing. Like when you hear Red beach tap, or you hear even Vito Brado, who I didn't like in the 80s, but I have a much bigger appreciation for him now. Those people who are tapping there, it's part of what they do do. It's not just how we're gonna tap. A lot of guitar players in this point, it felt like the dive bombs and the whammy things and the tappy things were just, this is what we do in solos. Not that it's part of your playing. Where in some of those people, I felt that it was more part of their style than just, all right, we're just gonna put this tap thing in here because that's what we do. So I appreciate that. He's not really doing a lot of that here. [01:26:23] Speaker A: That's not bad. That's what I'm saying. It's. It's not. It's not bad. Like I said, when I listen to this, again, other than the third song, which I absolutely love of, okay, like, it's not bad. Like, I can. I can listen to this. And the fact that I actually remember all these songs makes me think that I. I must have listened to it more than once. [01:26:40] Speaker D: Let's finish it out. Here we go. [01:27:21] Speaker A: I actually do kind of like the fact that they went into the riff again, but they didn't. They. They didn't let it go on too long. It was very quick because, again, I don't like that tone either. It was kind of weird. And maybe they said if we do this on acoustic, it'll be too much, like, wanted. I think it would have been better served on an acoustic guitar, personally. [01:27:43] Speaker D: Yeah, I think if there was acoustic in here would have been better. I mean, you're already in this already. You've already committed to this, this. So if you're going to commit to it, commit to it. We're going to do this and we're going to put acoustic in it. And to just do that is just doing it half assed. Why, why even bother then if you're going to do that? I don't know. All right, you go first. [01:27:59] Speaker A: I mean, I didn't really like the beginning. Once it kicked in, I thought. I thought it was okay. I'm going to say, I mean, I like some of the lyrics. I would say a five on the lyrics, maybe a six on everything else. And I'm trying to think the production, If I give it a six or a seven, I'll give a seven on the production. Everything sounds fine. Overall, I think the album, it's definitely produced pretty well. It's clean. Gets a point across. Yeah, not. Not bad, Frank. [01:28:23] Speaker C: For me, it's six across. It's not bad. It's not great. It's not amazing. Not terrible. It's right there, Mark. [01:28:29] Speaker D: It's going to be easy. Five on lyrics, six on everything else. One I don't horribly hate. It's not great. I can't smash everything again. Everything I hate about this time frame. It's everything I hate. It's not cheesy enough to be like a guilty pleasure. Cheesy, you know, if Something super cheesy. You know what I mean? Like a super cheesy thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. [01:28:50] Speaker C: I hate you both. I hate you both for that. [01:28:53] Speaker A: Come on, Frank. There's at least half of that album that I like. Cheese is cheese. There's good cheese. [01:28:57] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:28:57] Speaker A: There's cheesy movies, right, that are good. There's nothing wrong with good cheese. [01:29:01] Speaker C: My favorite album all time. [01:29:03] Speaker A: Nice. [01:29:03] Speaker D: This is just maybe too, meh. Not cheesy enough where you can like. Okay, I'd like this thing and it's cheesy. It's. It's bad because it's not cheesy enough. I mean, does that make any sense? [01:29:13] Speaker C: I get it, what you're saying. [01:29:14] Speaker A: I completely understand. If it were cheesier, you think you can enjoy it more. Do I hear the White Snake and the Dawkin? Yeah, absolutely. Did I hear the Wanted on the last one? Yeah. I can't. I'm not saying these guys reinvented the wheel. Absolutely not. It just stuck with me back then, I guess, because at that point I was hearing a lot of stuff that I wasn't liking. And when I heard this by accident, I was like, oh, okay, there's a little bit of Soul here. [01:29:37] Speaker D: As much as I don't like this, I'm not going to take anything away from the musicianship of the people doing it. I have to give credit where credit is due. They can play in the context of. [01:29:46] Speaker C: This, they can jam. [01:29:47] Speaker D: So go that far, you can't jam. They can play, but in the context of this, it's not great. It's super duper predictable. It's super duper stock. It is what it is. This is what was getting signed. This is what they wanted. They wanted the next whatever pick name your big band right there. We want the next that and we'll sign anything. I mean, imagine how many bands we don't even know of that got signed and you don't even know. They put maybe one record out and no one even heard of it. [01:30:12] Speaker C: But here's the thing. There are. People can replicate the sound. They sound great. Replicate the sound. It sounds horrible. These guys, the. They do it great. [01:30:21] Speaker A: I think they do a decent job. Obviously, they're, you know, they're good musicians. He's got a good voice. You know, the lyrics are what they are. I'm telling you, Mark, if their second album ever comes up, I think it's going to be fun because you may enjoy it more. Because that cheese factor might be there. Because when I heard the second one, whatever I liked about this record and I. I heard it once and that was it, none of it was there for me. Maybe that's the ultimate cheese factor, where you're like, hey, I like this better. You know, this is real cheesy possible. [01:30:49] Speaker D: I don't really know. [01:30:49] Speaker A: Yeah, but we go from the. There you go. From Sonic Youth 83 to XYZ 89. Two albums that could not be more different. [01:30:59] Speaker D: Again, this is 89. So if I had the chance to listen to this or Dr. Feelgood, I'm listening to Dr. Feelgood. Regardless of what you think about Motley Crue is way better of a record than this by leaps and gigantic bounds. [01:31:14] Speaker A: I'm not gonna say that I don't think. Dr. Field, it is. Let me say this. Hold on, hold on. The songs that are better on Dr. Feelgood, I think are much better. I'm not saying that this is a better record. I think that there are a lot of throwaway tracks on Dr. Feel Good. Just like I told you guys, when we get to Girls, Girls, Girls, I don't think it's as good as we remember. And you agreed when we actually went through it, there's no song here that's better than Dr. Feel Good. This song. I don't think there's any song here that's better than without you. Do I think that some of the other songs are worse on Dr. Feelgood? Yes, I do. I'm just. And this is not retaliatory. I just listen. There's stuff that there that's. That's better overall. Maybe it is better. And listen, I haven't listened to in a while either. [01:31:57] Speaker C: Oh my God. Really, bro? Oh, my God. Here we go. [01:32:11] Speaker A: I didn't say it was better. I think the songs that are better on Dr. Feelgood are way better. But I think that there are songs that are decidedly worse than some of the stuff on here. I'm. I'm just. I'm giving you my opinion. [01:32:24] Speaker C: Oh, my God. All I know is that there's gonna be a boxing match in the Walmart parking lot in Poughkeepsie coming up. If you are gonna say that this album is better than Dr. Feelgood. [01:32:38] Speaker D: Even the songs that I don't like on Dr. Feelgood, I still think are better than any song on here. [01:32:44] Speaker A: I don't think so. Me personally. [01:32:47] Speaker C: Okay, All I'm saying, there's gonna be a bare knuckle fist fight in the Walmart parking lot soon. [01:32:52] Speaker A: I'm sure people like. What the fuck are you talking. I'm just saying that there are some real stinkers on Dr. Field. Good, good. That. I think there's songs on here that are better than those stinkers. The songs that are good are better than any song on here. [01:33:04] Speaker D: I appreciate your opinion. Me, I don't think there's any song here that's better than even the worst song on Dr. Feelgood. It's not that. Dr. Feelgood's original. You know what band that is? You know a guitar player that is. You know what drummer that is. You know what singer that is? Again, it's. It's. Is it unfair to compare this band to Motley Crue? Probably. That's what we're doing. They came out the same year. They were competing in the same area of music. Music when it came out. It's impossible not to compare albums that came out in the same time. [01:33:30] Speaker A: No, absolutely. [01:33:31] Speaker D: It's. It's a different. It's a different beast. [01:33:33] Speaker A: From a personal standpoint, I think there's songs that are better here that are not. Girls, Girls, Girls. I think there's some stinkers on Girls, Girls, Girls. [01:33:42] Speaker C: I hope we get doctor Feel good next time. [01:33:46] Speaker A: I'll give you my honest opinion. Listen, without you is one of my favorite hair metal battles. Dr. Feel good, I think is one of the best lead off tracks of all time. Time in the genre. But once you start getting to like Rattlesnake Shake and anybody could have written that song. Oh, that's. [01:34:01] Speaker C: That was a good song. That was a great song. Oh, my God, that was a great song. [01:34:06] Speaker A: But that's why we do this podcast, because everybody has their own opinion, you. [01:34:14] Speaker D: Know, do your thing. [01:34:15] Speaker A: We're part of the Deep Dive podcast network. Again, like I always say, great bunch of guys took us right in. If you want individual podcasts about bands, check them out. You got Uriah Heap, Tom Petty, Rush, you name it, it's probably on there. So. And Mark, where can they find us. [01:34:29] Speaker D: On the Interwebs Rockwoodlet pod on all the social media, rockwoodlightpodcast.com go buy some merch, check the polls out, Shoot us an email about a new bets or an album we can do. Put us on your auto download so you get us when we release and do a nice review for us. Five stars would be awesome on wherever you rate your podcasts because that moves us up the algorithm and next week we get to finish this out and hopefully side two will be a little bit better for me than side one. I doubt very highly. [01:34:59] Speaker A: I doubt it, Mark. I don't. I don't know. I don't know that you're gonna like it any better. [01:35:04] Speaker D: Hey, listen, I give credit where I think that they're good, right? I don't say that everything's horribly bad. I say suckiness just to be funny and all. It's what. What this album is and what this time frame is and what these bands are. You're not gonna have great albums out of this. This is not gonna happen. Now you're talking D, E, F level bands now you're past the B's and the C's. You're down into the end of this whole thing where they're signing anybody. So you're not gonna have a great album out of here. Could it happen? I guess, possibly. The odds of that happen, very few and far between. All right, well, we'll see you guys next week. [01:35:37] Speaker A: Ciao, ciao. [01:35:38] Speaker C: Have a great night, everybody. [01:35:40] Speaker D: Later. [01:35:41] Speaker A: It.