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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1, 500 albums. Stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. Typically over the week we spin the wheel and she picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. There's a bunch of friends who love music. Want to do a podcast. Anyone who takes this journey with us on discovery and rediscovery. As we say, sometimes we discover new stuff, sometimes we rediscover stuff that we forgot about or just never really, really paid attention to. We want to thank all the listeners. Past few weeks has been a big uptick in listen, so if you're spreading the word, thank you so much and again, drop us a word, tell us what you like, what you don't like. Maybe something we can do differently, something we can add. We're here to listen. We really appreciate it and and tonight we are a frickin foursome, which is awesome. We got Frank.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: My name is Frank and I'm sexy.
[00:02:19] Speaker C: Hello everybody.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: We've got Steve. Steven.
[00:02:23] Speaker D: Behave yourself, Steven.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Behave yourself.
[00:02:28] Speaker A: What up Mark? Oh, hi Mark.
[00:02:31] Speaker D: What's up guys?
[00:02:31] Speaker A: And I'm Sav. Ciao buena sira. Last week Mark and I wrapped up Ace of Spades by Motorhead. Overall, definitely some good stuff. Some punky attitude mixed with some Nuambum as they call it. It got a little repetitive with that thing going. And obviously what's his name writes a lot of lyrics Mark discovered compared to the Oasis Brothers.
So he had a lot more to read last week. Not bad. Overall, not too bad. I'm really happy that we they're a metal legend, we've never had them before. I'm glad that the Wheel actually picked a pretty big record from them. Mark, what do you think?
[00:03:04] Speaker D: Yeah, it was great. I don't know if they would call themselves metal, though. I think they would call themselves rock and roll. I think you're right. They are metal. It's got a little bit of punk. He writes lyrics different for every verse, every chorus, maybe to the detriment of the chorus's repeatability. Other than that, though, I thought it was great. Guitars were great, bass was great, drums were great. Yeah, I liked it.
[00:03:23] Speaker A: Yep. I liked the musicianship. I really like the guitar playing on it. Without a doubt. Steve, do you have any experience with Ace of Spades? My Motorhead, the album?
[00:03:31] Speaker E: Past that song? Probably not. Never really got into Motorhead.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: We were talking about that. We knew of them, but within our circle, there really wasn't anybody who really listened to them. We kind of go by that. Frank, anything. Ace of Spades or Motorhead in general like you guys.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Just that one hit song. That's all I know.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Well, I would check it out. I think you guys might like it, being fans of that style of music. And maybe you can talk about it next week. Tonight we get to spin the wheel again, which is always incredibly exciting. Before we do the Mama Wheel, we do the Baby wheel with the new Vet section.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: In a world where new music is.
[00:04:05] Speaker E: Not easy to find.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Welcome to New Bets.
[00:04:20] Speaker D: Alrighty. Here is the new Bets wheel.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Fozzie Fall In Line. Chris Jericho's band.
[00:04:39] Speaker E: Yeah. Fozzie. Holy. Okay.
[00:04:41] Speaker A: You like Fozzies, Steve?
[00:04:42] Speaker E: No, I've never actually heard them, so I'm curious.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: I've heard some stuff in passing that actually didn't sound terrible. So I am curious. Frank, any experience with Fozzie? No idea, Mark.
[00:04:52] Speaker D: I know of him. I've not really listened to very much. Fozzie. He's on Pot of Thunder all the time. I know him. As far as the Fozzie music itself, not much. All right, this is Fozzie Fall In Line.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: They want me to act like them they want me to look like them they want me to think like them Better than just blending But I won't fall in disconnected I tried to play along but they don't care at all I'm just a number with a name who's cracking and so I face one Comes of that I know there might be violence I think we all know how this ends and this ends they want me to act like them they want me to look like them they want me to think like them Better just blending my eyes I won't fall in love this time where everything's black and white Everyone wins our eyes no matter how Much you shine all in time but I I won't fall I won't fall in line this time you can feel the pressure as they measure everything that you do and if they catch you being different then you probably do Go all night the field spill their eyes on you watching every move they want me to act like them they want me to look like them they want me to think like them Better just wa in my I won't fall in love this time where everything's black and white and everyone rather.
No matter how much you shine keep it all inside but I I won't fall I won't fall in line this time all you wanted was a way out they push and pull until you break down they want your loyalty to take you take the day you think your mind is right we'll meet the enemy Once you give me to them they'll cut you w Follow your heart be who you are I won't fall your time where everything's black and white and everyone be surprised no matter of us you shine keep it all inside but I I won't fall I won't fall in light this.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: That was interesting.
[00:08:45] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: I think, me personally, the production undermines the whole song. There's a heaviness there that is not fleshed out whatsoever. And it's everything.
At first I know there's a vocal thing going, like, okay, it's such the beginning. But throughout the whole thing, there's this production that undermines the song. I think it could be better. I think it's. It's his band and obviously they can do whatever they want. And this is what. What he wanted to do. I would have just liked it just to be more raw. I think it could have been really fleshed out and heavy. There's. There's a heavy riff there. Steve, I'll let you. What do you think?
[00:09:17] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm kind of with you. I mean, it wasn't bad. I think the fact that it was a little too produced took away from the song itself. I found parts of it when he was singing that one part, I guess in the chorus. Very Ozzy, like.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. I heard a lot of Ozz Adams family too. Think what they won if they fit.
That part was kind of Little Adam's family. Mark, the lover of all modern rock. What? What did you think?
[00:09:42] Speaker D: I didn't like the effect on his voice. I don't know if it was just auto tune. There was other stuff going on. It was definitely some kind of melodyne autotune happening. I don't know for effect or because it has to be. I don't know. I don't know enough about their music to know if this is what they do. I don't think this is what they do. I had an idea in my head that they were different than this.
[00:10:02] Speaker A: I did as well. Thought it was more straightforward hard rock. I think the elements are there of that, but the production undermines it, in my opinion.
[00:10:09] Speaker C: Frank, I'm not familiar with the band at all. I liked it. That opening vocal sounded a little bit more like. Like the lead singer from Volfi, a little bit Michael Paulson. That's what it sounded like in the beginning. Sounded like bulky in the beginning. But I can see what you're saying, Seb, that I think if you would have made the song raw, it would make the whole thing if it was produced more raw. So I could hear that.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: The one in the book?
[00:10:28] Speaker D: Yeah. If you like it, let us know. If you don't like it, let us know on social media. Let's rubber stamp this in a world.
[00:10:36] Speaker E: Where new music is not easy to find.
[00:10:41] Speaker B: Welcome to New Bets.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: And now, the return of the Mamowheel. Let's go around the horn. Mark, what do you think?
[00:10:58] Speaker D: I don't know. I keep asking for grunge, but never gives it to me. I'm going to change it up. I'm going to say 80s glam, sleazy rock of some sort. That's what I'm going to do.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: Steve, what do you want and what do you think?
[00:11:10] Speaker E: What do I want? You know, Mark said grunge and I could go for some good grunge right now. So. Yeah, both grunge, Frank, I'm hoping for.
[00:11:19] Speaker C: Some 70s arena rock.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Oh. I always ask for something heavier and doesn't really seem to come. I would say either something heavy, maybe 80s. Whatever the phone cares. Just spin.
[00:11:32] Speaker D: All right, here we go.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Cool. Finally, Megadeth debut album. Killing is my business and business is good.
Wow.
Mark, have you ever heard this one?
[00:12:03] Speaker D: No, I have never heard this.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: I had a shitty secondhand tape of this.
Got it used. Probably two or three bucks. I still have it somewhere. It is just a little thing in the cassette and the back of it is white. There's nothing else. I think this was on Combat Records. It's pretty raw. They definitely, I think kind of hone. Started honing this down a little bit more, but I don't remember. It's actually been a while since I listened to this. I'm actually pretty excited. Steve, my fellow Megadeth, what do you think? Of this.
[00:12:31] Speaker E: This is cool, because. Yeah, I have not actually heard this album. Super curious to hear.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: Oh, you've never heard this one?
[00:12:37] Speaker E: Nope, I haven't, no.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Did I say fellow Megadeth fan that I.
[00:12:41] Speaker E: You did.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: I don't think that's what I meant to say, but, hey, that's proven me wrong. Do you like Megadeth at all?
[00:12:48] Speaker E: No, I do, actually. Found myself. What was it like last week watching them. They did a couple of shows with Marty Friedman, so it was three of them doing guitars did. The energy they brought on stage is just insane.
So much more than, let's say, even Metallica right now. So, yeah, they're still kicking it.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: I saw them at the Roseland on the Euthanasia tour and they were ridiculous. So I got to see the lineup. Marty Friedman, Nick Menza. I mean, I was looking up Dave Mustaine's nose at one point. It was really, really cool. Yeah, they were awesome. So good. Can't find my shirt, but I know it was there. Frank, you anything with Megadeth? No.
[00:13:27] Speaker C: This is gonna be my first listen outside of a couple here and there that you heard A Headbanger's Ball, but that's it.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: They had a couple of whatevers, but I started kind of digging backwards through the catalog and I listened to a couple. I want to say Endgame, and I forget what the other one is with Vic. Rattle Head is the mascot. There's one with, like, the Near Bridge. Both of them were actually really good records. Like, solid, heavy. Really, really good stuff. I'm going to go back to that. I'm excited.
[00:13:51] Speaker D: We did Euthanasia Prior, correct?
[00:13:54] Speaker A: This is a completely different record, Mark.
[00:13:55] Speaker D: Oh, I'm sure.
[00:13:56] Speaker A: That's for sure. Yeah.
[00:13:57] Speaker D: This is 85. This is not far after he left Metallica, right?
[00:14:01] Speaker A: No. And the last song would sound familia to any Metallica fan.
[00:14:05] Speaker D: All right, so the band. This is Dave Mustaine on lead vocals, guitar, piano. Dave Ellison on bass, guitar, backing vocals. Chris Poland on guitar, and Gar Samuelson on drums and timpani. Co produced by Megadeth. Produced and mixed by Dave Mustaine and Carrie Fay. I obviously know of Megadeth. We did one prior. I know some songs. Maybe the songs I know are more with Marty Freeb than this incarnation of Megadeth. I've never heard this album before, so three of us haven't heard the album. But Savino knows the album.
[00:14:31] Speaker A: I know it, but it has been a while. This will be rediscovery. As mentioned in the beginning, the first.
[00:14:36] Speaker D: Song is Last Rights Love to death.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: What is ending now Was I told you now you got an issue But I told you I remember bad times more than good yes, I'm coming back better than we could oh, I loved you today oh, I love you to death.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: Coolio. I love the riff. Not too, too crazy about the melody in the verse, but I like the chorus. I like it.
That kind of goes on longer than most people would hold it. It's definitely early maggots.
[00:17:01] Speaker D: I like the intro. I like the guitar riff. Beginning verses. It's really unsettling. The drum patterns a little wacky, so it kind of throws me off. And I' a big fan of the melody in the verse, but I don't think this really has very much to do with melody. I have to say he writes good riffs. I always wonder how much Metallica he had to do with, especially on the early stuff.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: He has a few writing credits.
[00:17:22] Speaker E: Sinking Kill Them All. That's what I'm kind of feeling right now.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: You think so?
[00:17:26] Speaker E: I don't know if it's the production or riff or whatever, but I'm kind.
[00:17:29] Speaker D: Of getting to kill them all.
[00:17:30] Speaker E: Viper.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: I think it's. It's a little bit more raw. I would think the production.
That's how I see it. I don't think it's as well produced. And I remember that too. Listening to the cassette, like I said it was. It was an old one. This is basically what it reminds me of.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Looks like I'm going to be in for a long night.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: I mean, not your cup of tea.
[00:17:49] Speaker C: Not my cup of tea, for sure. Or a cup of whiskey.
I'm looking forward to the guitar play. I'm liking the guitar play so far. You hear some of that Metallica sound in there. So. Really looking forward to the guitar playing this album.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: Steve. Lyrics Bricks.
[00:18:03] Speaker E: All right, so we got. Your body's empty now As I hold you now you're gone I miss you But I told you I remember bad times more than good there's no coming back Even if we could love you to death I love you to death.
[00:18:18] Speaker A: Death I assume D E T H.
[00:18:22] Speaker D: Is he killing his girlfriend? Is that what this is about?
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Sounds like he already did.
[00:18:26] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: Frank, did you ever make out to this song like the Motley Cruel?
Oh, geez, a note has been made.
[00:18:36] Speaker D: It does have a little bit of early Metallica going on. I don't think early Metallica's first record is much better produced than this slightly.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: He went back and redid some of these things that probably sound better. I Think I've heard updated versions of this, but I do remember that verse always being a little bit jarring, the melody of it. So in that regard, yes. But I do really like the rest of it.
[00:18:55] Speaker D: Okay, well, let's continue. Here we go. Sorry, Frank.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: If I have you then do it well and such a Won't I have to kill it? My only love Something I never felt now you gotta hide Nobody else I am due to dance why I do the dance I love you today why love you today wow.
[00:19:51] Speaker D: More of the same. Same kind of thing.
I'm trying to get used to his vocal stylings in the last record we did was much different. He had got into his vocals, I think here it's kind of new.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Him. He's very young here too. Tell by the voice.
[00:20:05] Speaker D: He had to be like 21ish, I would think.
[00:20:08] Speaker A: I do like the rest. I like the chorus. It's repetitive. Obviously he's not saying anything different. But I like the melody in the chorus. I like that main riff. I think that's really cool. The drums are good. I did wanted to bring up, which I did forget the cool bass thing that was going on in the intro with the piano. It's really piano and bass, which is pretty cool. Steve, as far as him as bass player, are you familiar with him? You consider him one of the good ones out there?
[00:20:28] Speaker E: Yeah, I definitely consider him one of the good ones. He's definitely got some very recognizable bass rifts that he's written over the years. Definitely a good one.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: One of the most famous in metal. On the next album for sure.
Frank, anything you'd add or you're still kind of.
[00:20:44] Speaker C: Nothing new to add.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Do you want to read the next set of lyrics?
[00:20:48] Speaker E: If I can't have you then no one will and since no one will I will have to kill my only love Something I've never felt now you've gone to heaven But I'll burn in hell of course, just the fact that.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: He kicks off the record speaking about love as demented it is is obviously different than on the original Kill Them All. I remember that striking me too. When I first heard. I was like, wait, what? Right away he's talking about somebody. A girl.
[00:21:14] Speaker D: Yeah. But he's killing her.
[00:21:15] Speaker E: So. Yeah, it's a little different though.
[00:21:17] Speaker D: All right, here is guitar solo. Here we go.
[00:21:38] Speaker B: Sam.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: Mark, what did you think of the soul? I can tell you I didn't like that melody part. That was the same as the verse I like. I was going on top of it. Me personally, and I Liked when they kind of kicked back into the double bass pattern. But what did you think of the actual soloing?
[00:22:24] Speaker D: I'm not sure who it is. Is it Dave Mustaine? I assume. I have a feeling that both of them solo at some point. My assumption is that's him. He was a little sloppy. That's all I can say. It was very fast. It kind of reminded me of early Metallica guitar playing. At least the stuff I've heard that he did with them wasn't bad. It was just not my thing. It was. Well, except for the little bit of sloppiness that was here or there. And he didn't bother fixing it, whether he could or not. Maybe he didn't have money to fix it and he had to just leave it. I think the stuff that he did on the other record I like better.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: I think this album was recorded very cheaply. I think it's about $12,000. I think it was like eight initially and four added on, something like that.
[00:22:58] Speaker D: I was reading that's crazy.
[00:22:59] Speaker A: Steve, what'd you think of the solo?
[00:23:01] Speaker E: Yeah, it was all right. Again, you don't know who it is. You don't know if it's a Mustaine thing or a phone thing, but I don't think it's clicking yet. It's kind of still feeling it out.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Frank, do you have any comments on solo part?
[00:23:11] Speaker C: Like I said at the beginning, I'm going to like the guitar play, and I love that solo right there.
[00:23:14] Speaker D: All right, let's finish it up. Here we go.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: What do I see?
You're down here with me and now you're coming back. May take me please I really think I want b You such a sleaze I love you much before you get me on a string I'd rather go without to take you with me.
I left you the day.
[00:23:59] Speaker D: They both.
[00:23:59] Speaker A: W up in hell. She want to get back together and he said no.
[00:24:04] Speaker D: I heard that. Oh, boy.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: Steve, do you want to finish off the lyrics and then we can do score?
[00:24:09] Speaker E: All right. Oh, and now I'm down below what do I see? You don't go to heaven, you're down in hell with me and now you're coming back. Baby, take me, please I really think I would if you were in such a sleeves. I loved you once before you kept me on a string I'd rather go without than take you. You would bring I love you to death.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Whoa.
[00:24:31] Speaker D: I like the screams. His screams were pretty good, I have to say.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Say, he's a good screamer and I Like the way that last part about the. Oh, and now I'm down below and what do I see? They adjusted it. That rhythm part, it wasn't as jarring that time. It was kind of happening. But maybe the beat or whatever, something else was different there. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Like, I kind of wish they had done that during the verse.
[00:24:51] Speaker D: I think I'm gonna go first. I don't really know what to do with this yet. I don't want to give it great scores or bad scores yet. I think I'm just gonna say fives across cross. It wasn't my most favorite thing. I like his screams. Guitar playing was okay. I like the riff. Bass playing was good. Drums in general are good too. It's just. I'm not too sure where I'm landing yet. So I'm going to be a little conservative and say five across.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: Frank, I gotta say I do like the lyrics. I think they're kind of hysterical. Hey, listen, given the genre, who they are, the guitar play is great. I like the production. For me, I'm going sixes all the way across.
[00:25:22] Speaker E: Steve. No, I'm trying to think of.
I'll probably go six on the lyrics because they were.
They were kind of interesting. I liked them. They were different melody.
I don't know, we'll probably give that one a 5.
Production will go.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: Well.
[00:25:49] Speaker E: It is kind of raw, but it is.
[00:25:54] Speaker D: I don't know.
[00:25:55] Speaker E: I think we'll see six on it.
Music.
It was pretty good. I mean, riffs were solid.
You can definitely hear that early Metallica influence. So I'll give that a.
A six and I'll go six with the arrangement too. Chad.
[00:26:16] Speaker A: I will say six in the lyrics. I kind of like that end part.
I will say six on the music, six on production, five on the arrangement. Only because I didn't like the verses. I liked them at the end. I didn't think it was terrible. Didn't ruin the whole song for me. But I am being lowly conservative at this point. I would go back to this song though and I would say a six on the melody. Because it wasn't his melody. It was just kind of what was going on underneath. That to me was just a little bit jarring. It's a pretty kick ass start in a way. It's like, hey, shit, this is pretty heavy.
[00:26:48] Speaker D: This is what I think Megadeth sounds like to me. Although I have heard some of this stuff later with Marty Friedman. I think that stuff's better in general. It's very Raw. So, you know, you got to kind of give it a little bit of leeway just because it's the first record. And like Steve said, they're trying to feel their way out here. They haven't figured out what they're going to do yet. The next track is Killing Is My Business and Business is Good. Here's the title track.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: Sam Head coming back for you.
Oh, back for you what?
[00:28:40] Speaker A: Inspired by Marvel, the Punisher character. The bass in this song is awesome. I really like the main rift. This is good. I think this is pretty good.
I wish the production was a bit better.
It's cool in a sense, because it's raw, this song. I think the two riffs are very cool. I like the melody. This is what I remember when I listened to it. I was like, oh, wow, this sounds like it was recorded.
No, I know this tape is old. Maybe that's what it is, but I guess not.
[00:29:06] Speaker E: Definitely the bases. Kicking some matrix right now. The thing I'm having an issue with in production is there's certain points where Mustaine's vocals are overpowering everything. It's throwing it off a little bit for me. Other than that, I like the verse.
[00:29:22] Speaker D: I think that riff is probably really hard to play for just listening to that. That's got to be a pain in the balls.
The bass playing is really good. I like the way his melody is in the verse, the bridge or chorus, whatever the fuck that is. I didn't like the way that went through. I liked his vocals on the first part.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: Part.
[00:29:37] Speaker D: And sometimes I think he's trying to rush through it, trying to fit all these words in the little space he has and sometimes he just loses it. I think it's definitely mid-80s thrash metal. Definitely a la Metallica of the time. It's of that time. I don't think he's as good as Hetfield in writing his melodies, and that's really what the problem could be with him. But again, some of them are okay. His voice for this music and his music is not that bad.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: I don't specifically think this really reminds me of Metallica. It reminds me of Megadeth, especially knowing what's on the next record. Record. I definitely hear tones of that. I think the production is better on the next record and that stuff is fleshed out. And obviously the next one is already when they started considering making classic records. He does definitely jam things. Without a doubt. Even on the first one, you kind of hear it. This one is all that heavy and all of a sudden it does like this Fast part, and then it goes back. Some of the arrangement, I think, is a bit wonky. Although I do like the two parts. Do they mesh perfectly together? No, that's where it falls apart for me. Frank, any. What do you think of this one? Any difference on this one?
[00:30:37] Speaker E: No.
[00:30:39] Speaker C: I do like the speed of. I like the thrash sound. Classic 80s thrash.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: So you want to do some lyrics?
[00:30:43] Speaker E: I am a sniper always hit the mark Paid assassin working after dark Looking through the night Using infrared targets on you Aimed at your head 10,000 up front 10,000 when I'm through and I know just what to do and I know I'll do it too I'll come back for you oh, back for you.
[00:31:02] Speaker D: There'S just too many words jammed into that little area right there.
He couldn't get them all out or get them all together. Like Savino said before, those two parts don't exactly fit the way you'd like them as smoothly. I don't think that's just my two cents. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: It brings me great pleasure. I say my next shot is you.
Business is going.
Calai is my business.
Win Business is good.
Calais is my. Business is good.
You better believe it.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Short and sweet I will defer first to Steve. Would you say that the musicianship is better here than on the first Metallica?
[00:32:54] Speaker E: You know what I actually heard in this last part right here where he was saying, killing is my business? I heard Escape off Ride the Lightning. I don't know if you knows that song. That's exactly what I heard.
[00:33:05] Speaker A: And you know what I meant to mention before? I don't know if anyone heard this. At one part, there was some kind of backing. I'm assuming it's him backing himself up. It sounded like Chris Cornell. If you go back and listen to it, it sounded like Cornell. The speed, the. The accuracy of the fills and the bass and the drums that are going on. That's some pretty cool shit.
[00:33:25] Speaker D: I do like his verses in the song a lot. And that last part was good. The guitar playing was a little cleaner. You can definitely tell they pushed the speed a little bit more than Metallica, even at this time. And probably on purpose. He's trying a point here. He's still pissed. All right, Steve, go ahead.
[00:33:36] Speaker E: I do the getting rid of don't tell me why don't need to hear the truth don't hear the lies now pay me quickly and now we're through Brings me great pleasure to say My next job is you don't you know that Killing is my business. Oh, and business is good then. We said that a bunch of times, and then you better believe it.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Frank, you want to go first?
[00:33:59] Speaker C: I mean, the lyrics are okay. I'm going to give the lyrics A5. Everything else, the musicianship, the production, the arrangement, everything. I'm going to give those sixes across again. Really is classic thrash metal. I was never a fan of it, but I did listen to it from time to time, and this captures that and brings back those memories. Sixes for me.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: I'll go next. I will say a six on the lyrics because he's kind of telling a story. I like the Punisher tie in. I'm going to say seven on the musicianship because there's some really cool going on in the drums and the bass. I mean, even the guitar. I like the melody. I'll say a six on the melody. I'll say six on the production and a six on the arrangement. He does fix some of the jarring stuff, I feel, where it doesn't sound as. As jarring the second time around as it does the first time. But, yeah, this is a pretty decent one, two punch, I think.
[00:34:46] Speaker D: Mark, I'm gonna say six on the lyrics. Lyrics aren't bad. The melody, I like it in the verse. I don't like it in the other part as much. I'm gonna say sticks on that. The music is technically good, so I'm gonna say seven there. I thought the guitar playing was a little cleaner on this one too. Again, I don't know who's playing the solos. My is Mustang. I don't know if it's Poland or not. I can't tell the difference. So I don't know. Arrangement, six and production, six.
[00:35:10] Speaker E: Steve, lyrics. I'm going to say six like I kind of like them. They do tell a story. And melody. We'll probably say a6.2 production.
It was a little cleaner than the last song, but like I said, with Stain's vocals, they kind of meshed a little bit and kind of drown things out at times. Music Definitely seven great riffs, great bass playing, great overall music.
So seven solid. Say six on the arrangement.
[00:35:41] Speaker D: Next one up is the skull beneath the skin.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Sam. It sat best fight.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: I read here that the solos that are going on are Mustaine. I don't know how accurate that is. Whatever I'm looking at. Didn't mention any other ones. I like the verses. I like that riff. Again, some of the arrangement is what I have issues with. There are definitely parts that are kind of jammed together.
Again, this Is something I think he fixes, obviously coming into the next record. Mark, what do you think?
[00:38:30] Speaker D: I think this might be my favorite so far. I like the riff. His guitar playing is actually really good here. I think it is. Dave Mustaine. There's some things when I remember hearing him play that that sound like this. More likely. I think this is probably him. This is kind of like a versy song. There's very little chorus going on. At least right at this point. I don't think it's bad, but I understand where you hear the jamming together apart.
[00:38:51] Speaker E: Yeah, everything is sounding cool. This is starting to sound like classic Megadeth sound now. Pieces of it starting to come together and sounds like in this one maybe the intro is a little weird. Maybe drawn out a little much.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: You could definitely hear the next album here. You can hear the formulation of that sound. Sound.
[00:39:07] Speaker E: Sure.
[00:39:08] Speaker C: A little bit more the same for me, to be honest.
[00:39:11] Speaker E: BT dubs mean and infectious the evil prophet rise Dance of the macabre as witches streak the sky Decent worship of black magic Sorcery in the womb of the devil's dungeon Trapped without a plea Seething in agony Necrosis isn't the fate pin Sticking through the skin the venom now sedates Locking in a pillory Nowhere to be found Screaming for your life no one hears a sound Found Help me.
[00:39:40] Speaker D: I was just reading that he was pissed and he wanted to make songs faster and heavier than Metallica, so this is what he did. And then they spent half of the eight thousand dollar budget on drugs and alcohol. They fired their producer so they had to produce it themselves.
[00:39:54] Speaker E: Amazing.
[00:39:56] Speaker D: Here's 8,000 bucks. Make a record. Have a good time. Even in 85, no one was making records for $8,000. I mean, not anything in any kind of major label. I think this was on. This was on what? Combat. Right. This was an independent release.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: Kind of bad. Yeah, I know. The next one for sure was on Combat. I'm pretty sure the one after that as well.
[00:40:13] Speaker D: Well, he's definitely making it faster and definitely making it heavier. I think comparatively he was pissed off for so many years, man. I get it. How drunk do you have to get to get kicked out of Metallica? Didn't they call Metallica Alcoholica?
[00:40:25] Speaker A: I think it was his attitude too, though. I think it was only that.
[00:40:28] Speaker D: Well, supposedly when he drank, I think it was worse. He said he was very violent when he drank. He wasn't a happy drunk anyway. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Let's go.
Knee skin.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: Mark. What do you think about that little.
[00:42:00] Speaker D: Outro solo thing I forgot to mention before. But even the intro thing, it's basically so like chromatic. Going up one fret. He did that at the end there, too, that chromatic guitar part. Interesting. It is my favorite song, though, so far. I think the riff is very good.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Steve, you want to finish up the lyrics and we'll give scores.
[00:42:14] Speaker E: Prepare the patient's scalp to peel away Metal caps his ears he'll hear not what we say Solid steel visor riveted across his eyes Iron sapie will close his jaw so no one hears his cries the skull beneath the skin the skull beneath now you're drawn and quartered your bones will make an X Sambal stands for poison and it's chained to your head and as we fold your arms to make the holy cross we cross the crucifix Religion has been lost the skull beneath the skin Interesting lyrics.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: Steve, have you gone from first yet?
[00:42:52] Speaker E: Nope, I have not.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: Well, here you go.
[00:42:55] Speaker E: Go first. I don't know. I like the lyrics. This fun little story of, like, you said, their mascot. I guess we'll give it a seven. Music.
I'll say a seven. Like I said, it gets starting to get that mega death formula. And then sound. The arrangement was a little, I don't know, weird maybe. So we'll say six on that one. Production. I'll probably say six. Two.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: Two.
[00:43:19] Speaker E: Really? Six on melody. Mark.
[00:43:20] Speaker D: I think the lyrics are bad. I like that they were writing about their mascot, so I'm gonna give it a six.
Melody. I do like the verses. I'll give it a five. Musicianship was interesting. Chromatic guitar playing. I give him credit for trying things a little bit outside the box. So I'm gonna do that 7. I thought the bass playing was great too. You could hear him all the way through it, which I thought was awesome production. It's still a six. When you spend half your budget on drugs and alcohol, the production is not going to be great. Great arrangement. It is a weird arrangement. A lot of verses in a row. I'm going to give that a 7 just because it's a very weird production. SAP.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: So you get it higher for the odity. I like that you went in the opposite direction. It's like I was going to give it a five. You gave it a seven. I will say seven of the lyrics. I like the creation, you know, appeals to my knowing what it's about. And skeleton dude and like the horror element of it. So seven on that. I'll say seven on the music. Musicianship has been really solid. I will say six on the melody, six in production. I'm a little bit confused on the arrangement, though. I just feel it's a little bit sloppy. I'm gonna say five in the arrangement. I do like it. I think I would go back to these three. I always remember saying this wasn't always my favorite Megadeth record. No matter what, musician wise, I'm really picking up on how good they were and what they were doing. I do appreciate that. Without a doubt. And yeah, I mean, the songs definitely were bad. Frank for me.
[00:44:41] Speaker C: Lyrics and melody. I'm going to give those fives. Not that crazy about it. The musicianship I do like now I'm going to go seven production. Six to mark's point. Hey, what do you expect for. What was it, 8,000?
[00:44:53] Speaker D: Yeah, 8,000 bucks? Well, technically 4,000 after they spent half of it on drugs and alcohol.
So 4,000.
[00:44:59] Speaker C: They did a good job here. So I do like it for that arrangement. I'm going to give that a six.
[00:45:04] Speaker D: Okay, here comes a controversial thing. This is. These boots are made for walking. I don't know why Mega Death would do this.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: This.
[00:45:11] Speaker D: I'm trying to think in my head how this could sound. Savino's probably heard this, but I haven't. I don't know what this is going to be. So here we go. These boots.
[00:45:37] Speaker B: It.
Are you just saying you got something for me?
Something about lack of confess.
You've been missing where you should be missing.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: Do you guys know the original by Nancy Sinatra?
[00:47:02] Speaker D: Yeah, I do.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: I do. Taken Apart as not a parody, obviously the musicianship is very good. It's kind of funny. I think it was meant to be a parody and they actually got in trouble for it. By Lee Hazelwood, the writer. I was reading.
These are not the lyrics they originally did. I think these are his lyrics. Lyrics. This is not what he did the first time.
[00:47:23] Speaker D: I'm confused.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: Mustaine altered the lyrics to make them more aggressive than the original version. The original writer, Lee Hazelwood, even though he had received royalties from 85 to 95, suddenly had issues with the adjustments made and got Mustaine in legal trouble, causing the song to be absent in The Prince from 95 to 2002. That year, a censored version was released on the album. Later on, another version of these Boots released onto a remastered version of Killing Is My Business. This new iteration of the song featured Hazel woods original lyrics. Originally, he says, you keep saying you got something for me. Something you call love, but I call sex. You've been kissing when you ought to be a screw in and now someone else can kiss your ass.
[00:48:01] Speaker D: So since this is the 2002 one, it's the original lyrics.
[00:48:04] Speaker A: We're saying right now this is what Hazelwood had written.
[00:48:08] Speaker D: Okay, I'm confused now.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: So this is not what Mustaine changed him to.
[00:48:12] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: When he does anarchy in the uk, they mention like acronyms of groups that are in the uk. But he mentions like he says, is this the nr?
[00:48:20] Speaker D: I was just confused. The lyrics are hearing right now are the original lyrics for the Nancy Sinatra version.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Think about it. You didn't hear anything about sex and screwing and kiss your ass, right?
[00:48:29] Speaker D: You know what? I wasn't even paying attention to the lyrics. I was just wondering why this thing is even here. That's my question. This is like when Anthrax does funny metal. That's what it feels like to me. I'm not a fan.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: I think the musicianship is good. Does it really need to be here as opposed to something else? Probably not. I think it's a goof. It probably rests along the same lines, Martin, as fans listening to Kiss do. And then she kissed Me.
[00:48:50] Speaker D: I guess so. The music is different, obviously, and it's played well. It's just. I don't understand why it's here. He could have put a different song here, I think.
[00:48:57] Speaker A: I guess you could just keep on playing it to really probably don't have to go through the lyrics. I mean, it's a cover anyway.
[00:49:02] Speaker E: The lyrics are the non Sinatra version that I have pulled up.
[00:49:06] Speaker D: All right, we're going to continue then. All right, here we go.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: Too thin you keep losing when you are in a bed you keep singing when you want to be a changing no, it's right as rain when you ain't play right yet.
[00:49:27] Speaker E: So I'm going to walk all by.
[00:49:29] Speaker B: You.
[00:50:01] Speaker E: Are going to walk all by you.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
Are you ready, boots?
Are you ready, boots?
Are you ready, boots?
Start working.
Sam.
[00:51:04] Speaker A: I think it's a goof of musician wise. It's still good if you don't think about what it is and just hear what they're playing and how they're playing it. I think that part is good, especially once they get away from that little.
Even though that part is very well produced, I have to say. What more can you say? I don't even think we're going to do scores on this one. Right, Mark?
[00:51:20] Speaker D: I mean, if you just want to give him music scores, we could do that.
[00:51:23] Speaker A: I would give the music a7. I think it's Played really well. I actually like that solo at the end. The fills are really good. The bass is good. I mean, obviously the drums, musician wise, they're good. Arrangement is where so far for me, this side kind of falls a bit.
[00:51:35] Speaker D: I'd have to give it a seven. I just don't understand why it's there. That's my question. What do you think, Frank?
[00:51:40] Speaker C: I'm going to give the musicianship on this 1 an 8. The production on this one I like. I'm going to give production on this one an 8. It's actually really good. And what else are we ranking? All right, the musicianship, production, what else?
[00:51:51] Speaker A: I think that's good. Yeah, I agree. I think the production is really, really good too.
[00:51:54] Speaker C: Yeah, this came out really good. I like it.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: I like the production too, actually. What I wanted to say, before I forget, he reminds me a lot of Lemmy on this song. The way he's singing that really do. He definitely evokes Lemmy on this one, I think. Mark, how about you on production? What would you do for production on this one?
[00:52:09] Speaker D: I mean, I don't think it's bad. I'll give it a seven, I guess.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Steve, Music Production.
[00:52:12] Speaker E: I'm probably gonna go with Frankenstein.
Besides it being a parody, you know, the rest of that, everything was pretty good music. Basically. That intro and that other little break remind me like a Van Halen kind of thing. The rest of it was good stuff.
[00:52:28] Speaker D: Solid, interesting record so far. I'm very surprised that we got this. I've never heard this. You were thinking somewhere in some form. I think maybe I've heard Killing Is My Business somewhere along the line, but I definitely haven't heard this record straight through. So I'm glad we got it.
[00:52:42] Speaker A: It's been a while for me. I do remember hearing it and saying their Best was definitely, definitely coming. Without a doubt. I used to say that I felt that the first three Metallica records are better than the first three Megadeth records. But then the next set of Megadeth records were better than the next set of Metallica records.
[00:52:58] Speaker E: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: At the same time, going back, Peace Sells is a really good record. And even so far, so good. Going back on re Listens. It grows on you. This one, it sounds a bit rushed. Musician wise, though, I do think it's better. And the parts that are good are very good. It's a favorite among fans. I always watch rankings and things, and this one always ranks toward the top. See. What are your overall thoughts so far on the first side so far it's.
[00:53:23] Speaker E: Kind of mixed for me only because it's not like that true Megadeth formula, but you can hear parts of it coming through. So that's kind of cool. Like seeing how things are starting to progress with them. I kind of look forward to the next songs to see you know, where it goes.
[00:53:38] Speaker A: Frank, what are your overall so far?
[00:53:40] Speaker C: It's not my cup of whiskey.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: It is Megadeth.
[00:53:42] Speaker C: A lot of classic 80 thrash music in there. I think that parody song really it for me.
I'm liking it. It's starting to grow.
[00:53:49] Speaker D: All right, so I want you to do your thing.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: We are part of the deep dive podcast network. Like I always say, great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, check them out. They got Megadeth, they got Zeppelin, Rush, Judas Priest, Uriah, He Petty, you name it, it's probably on there. So check them out. And mark, where can they find this? On the Interwebs rock roulette pod on.
[00:54:09] Speaker D: All the social media rock rouletpodcast.com put a new bets in. Go look at the merch. Do the polls. You know what to do. Put us on your auto do download so you get us every week and rate us 5 stars wherever you do your podcast because that helps move us up and get to more people. Next week we'll finish this out. There's another only four songs, so it'll be a quick episode, I'm guessing. Let's see what they do on the second side. Let's see if it changes up or if we get a little more mega death that people would know. Or the classic kind of sound. Who knows? Or is it going to be a little more thrashy and a little more raw like this side is? I don't know. I'm curious to see. All right, we'll see you next week.
[00:54:41] Speaker E: Later, Cho.
[00:54:42] Speaker A: Cho.
[00:54:42] Speaker C: Later, guys.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: Later.
