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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:15] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of rock roulette podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast. It took over 1, 800 albums. Stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through a track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast. An everyone who takes this trip of discovery rediscovery with us. We really want to thank you. Spread the word and reach out to us. Tell us what you like, what you don't like. Maybe recommend an album. Recommend the song for the Baby Wheel. We're always listening. We're a duo again. Tonight we got Mark. Oh hi Mark.
[00:01:50] Speaker D: What's up guys?
[00:01:51] Speaker C: And I'm sad. Ciao Buena said last week we got Mamet's debut album, which I was actually pretty happy for. Something that I've wanted to listen to. I've heard things here and there that I've liked. Mark, I know that you were more familiar with it. Scores have been in the Sixes. I think where he shines is arrangement. Obviously he's very talented. He's a good musician. I'm waiting for those sevens, though. I think that's really what I'm looking forward to on this side. None of the songs have been bad at all. I know that we gave sevens to some of the arrangements. I think he's very good at putting different pieces together. Nothing sounds smushed together. We've never made that comment as far as I remember. Mark, what's your overall take so far?
[00:02:32] Speaker D: I thought there were more guitar solos on here than there actually are. There were two on the whole side.
[00:02:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I was waiting for them.
[00:02:40] Speaker D: He does do good bridges. I think he's very talented. I think he sings well. He makes good lyrics. I like it. But I do think I Don't like it as much as I did when it first came out. I think I gave it more props then. I probably would have given it higher scores if we were doing this when that came out. But again, sixes are fine. I don't think sixes are a problem.
[00:02:58] Speaker C: It's middle of the road. We haven't given anything lower than a six. I'm not crazy about the production because mostly the drums, but it sounds big, which is cool. I think it works for. For this stuff that he's writing. I'm looking forward to it. It wasn't a short side.
Seven songs. So another six or seven tonight.
[00:03:16] Speaker D: Seven more.
[00:03:17] Speaker C: Nice. This is one of those big 14 ones. Before we get back to him, we have the Baby Wheel and the New Vets.
In a world where new music is
[00:03:28] Speaker D: not easy to find, welcome to New Bets.
Okay, here is the new Bets Wheel.
[00:03:55] Speaker C: Cool. Michael Schenko Group. Don't sell your soul. I wanted to check this out. I've heard of them constantly and I've never ever listened to them. I mean, I've heard them with Scorpions, I've heard them with ufo, but never on a own.
[00:04:08] Speaker D: Me too. I'm not a huge Scorpion, nor UFO guy. I know more Scorpions. Probably msg. Michael Schenker Group. Or the Macaulay Shanker Group. Whichever one it was, I don't think I know anything from them. I know who they are. I briefly know him. That's about it.
[00:04:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm very curious. Someone was talking about this on something I watched on YouTube. And they liked it. They said it was actually pretty good.
[00:04:29] Speaker D: Cool. All right, so here we go. This is the Michael Shanker group. Don't sell your soul.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: He had a vision he followed through on a mission he knew what to do.
All he wanted was to be and stay away from misery to enjoy his heart and his life.
Don't tell your soul.
Can't have it all.
He walks all throughout his life Protecting his spirit, heart and soul.
We're sometimes tempted by surprise Protected by the light we did not fall.
All he wanted was to be Stay away from misery to enjoy his God and his life.
Don't sell your soul.
Can't have it all.
Sam.
That.
All we wanted was to be Stay away from misery to enjoy Saturday's life.
Don't sell your soul Came alive Can't have it all.
He saw.
Sam.
[00:09:30] Speaker C: I like the way the drums sound.
[00:09:33] Speaker D: They're real drums.
[00:09:34] Speaker C: Yeah. That's not bad. I thought that the chorus was a little bit boring. It didn't really go anywhere. The last chorus was better. I feel it was fuller. But the rest of it isn't bad. And I think it's a song if we heard it back in the 80s, we'd probably be rocking out to it. I want to ask you about the guitar, so. Because I felt he let loose a little bit at the end. But that middle solo was kind of boring.
[00:09:56] Speaker D: Maybe he can't play the same way as he used to play before. There were a couple of oopsies on there. Not horrible oopsies, but I'm almost happy that they're there. I'm so used to hearing perfection these days. Everything's perfect. So to hear someone like a take and not have to go back and fix that because he liked pretty much the actual solo that he did, I thought it was fine. I don't think it was bad. It wasn't spectacular. It was good, though. And the singer is Eric Gronwall, the singer that used to be in skid row that left.
But there's also special vocal appearances by Robert McCauley's on here.
I don't think he's on this song. All I can find is that this is Eric Groundwell, which I assume that's who it is. I thought it was good. It's very 83, 84ish.
[00:10:37] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely very 80s, but yeah, not bad. Decent melody throughout the course. Didn't really go anywhere. The rest of it was cool. And it's definitely like the production. I don't know what his other stuff sounds like. I don't know what this album sounds like, but they're another band. I've always wanted to get on here too. Just to say, hey, let's. Let's listen.
[00:10:53] Speaker D: I think I'll add this album to the list anyway. Way just because you never know.
[00:10:57] Speaker C: It's not on the list. Is this going to push us over to 19? I'm not yet 1,900.
[00:11:02] Speaker D: Soon. We're getting close.
[00:11:04] Speaker C: I'm going to have to change it.
[00:11:05] Speaker D: If you like this, let us know on social media. Let's rubber stamp this.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: In a world where new music is not easy to find.
[00:11:17] Speaker D: Welcome to New Vents.
Okay, let's continue. The next song is Circles.
[00:11:55] Speaker E: Just tell me when Loss of a friend We've gone in circles Wondering Just tell me when.
It's almost over.
Was there any more I could feel Did I go too far?
Work back to the.
[00:12:55] Speaker C: It's almost collective soul meets you too, in a sense. It's not bad. I think it has to grow on me because I Like the chorus, if he starts throwing in some funky stuff, like he kind of does, it could elevate a little bit more for me.
[00:13:09] Speaker D: I think it's at least different than the stuff that's on the first side that we listen to. Even though this is technically the first side, this would have been the end of the second piece of vinyl if you were listening to it on record. It's different. I like it. I like his background vocals. To me, it's very early 2000s.
[00:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say, like, I couldn't think of. It was a collect, like I said. Collective soul came to mind. This last part was util. I could hear that early 2000s as well.
[00:13:36] Speaker D: I forgot this song was even on here, tell you the truth.
[00:13:38] Speaker C: I mean, when's the last time you really listened to this record?
[00:13:40] Speaker D: Probably 2021, when it first came out.
[00:13:43] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:13:43] Speaker D: I've heard songs that are on this record in different places since, but I forgot that the song was even here. I like it. I like it to.
Like we said last week, there can be a little bit of samey same. At least a little bit of change up is good for me. I think I'm gonna like the second part of the song, the second half songs, maybe a little bit more.
[00:13:58] Speaker C: Do you remember that from listening it from the first time?
[00:14:01] Speaker D: No. I always thought that it did sound a little similar, the songs. But besides that, I also. I also thought there was a lot more guitar solos in here, and obviously there's not.
[00:14:10] Speaker C: I know. Yeah. I was waiting for. I was waiting for that last week. And we got two of them.
[00:14:15] Speaker D: Yeah. Two out of seven.
Verse one. Just tell me when Loss of a friend We've gone in circles Wondering Just tell me when Chorus. It's almost over Was there any more I could do? Did I go too far? We're back to the start. Not a lot of words, but he stretched them out again. Lyrics are good.
[00:14:33] Speaker C: Yeah, they're very introspective.
[00:14:35] Speaker D: Is that surprising to you, that his lyrics are that way?
[00:14:37] Speaker B: No.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: You're saying compared to where, let's say, his background came from or what could have been.
[00:14:43] Speaker D: Yeah. Would you think that his lyrics would be this way, is my question.
[00:14:46] Speaker C: I think so. I've seen him in interviews and things, and he seems like a nice, fun guy lyrically. I don't know if this carries throughout, if they're always like this, introspective. But I also know, and we spoke about this a little bit, too, some of the stuff that he may have been going through, let alone his father being Sick. But just being in the band and probably catching flack not only from maybe the outside, but the inside as well. We know some of that has been going on maybe not recently, but a certain someone who. Who may have poked him a bit.
[00:15:17] Speaker D: I don't know how much that happened during when he was in Van Halen, but I know that David Lee Roth really didn't, you know, hang out with them. He was separate. Yeah. I think it has to be that way because his ego, I think, is just way too big. I don't think you could put David Laroque with people. Just doesn't work.
[00:15:31] Speaker C: I mean, even from David Lee Roth's perspective, Michael Anthony wasn't a family member. Now it's him and the family. There's nothing else. Right. It's the three Van Halen's.
[00:15:39] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:15:40] Speaker C: How old was he on the tour? 17, 18, 16.
[00:15:43] Speaker D: I think when he first started. 16, 15 or 16.
[00:15:45] Speaker C: He's still a Van Halen.
[00:15:47] Speaker D: Yeah. Three on one now. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:16:06] Speaker E: In circles Wondering Lost in my head.
It's almost over.
Was there any more I could do?
Did I go too far?
We're back to the start I'll take it back Whatever the that means I'll wait for you Bend to your will Whatever it takes I'll wait for you.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Sa.
Did it go too far?
Back to the star.
Don't take this from me.
Don't do this to me.
There's too much to lose.
[00:18:24] Speaker C: Yeah. The melody is really good in this one. And he has bridges in every song. I've noticed the bridge are really good and they intend to elevate the song. I wish the production was better, though. I just. Oh.
Not that it ruins a song for me because this could be actually one of my favorites overall. If it had a little bit of that warmth, I think it would have elevated it even more.
[00:18:45] Speaker D: I think this may be my favorite song so far. Believe it or not, I thought the other two. Two Epiphany and Don't Back down with my favorite, but I don't know. I'm starting to think that I'd like this one. Even though there's no guitar solo again, there's that little bit of a break, but not very much. I think his lyrics are really good. I like the vocals. I'm getting over the drum thing. I know that's just the way it's gonna be. I don't think the other part of the production is that bad, though. It's just drums. No killer.
[00:19:08] Speaker C: They don't Ruin songs for me, it's more of a wishful, oh, it could have been better kind of deal. Because if you don't get over it, then it's very hard to listen to a lot of music now. A lot of rock music music. You have to get over it.
[00:19:21] Speaker D: Yeah. There's no way around it. Let me finish up the lyrics. Verse 2. Lost in My head Plague of regret We've gone in circles Wandering Lost in my head Chorus is the same bridge. I'll take it back. Whatever that means. I'll wait for you Bend to your will Whatever it takes I'll wait for you the last chorus is. It's almost over. Was there any more I could do? Did I go too far? We're back to the start don't take this from me don't do this to me there's too much to lose I don't know if this is a relationship or someone that passed away. I'm not too sure where this lies. Whatever it lies in, I do like it.
[00:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:19:54] Speaker D: Do you want to go first?
[00:19:55] Speaker C: Yeah. I'll say seven on melody, seven on arrangement, and then six on everything else. This could be my favorite one so far. I feel like it's made the most impact you.
[00:20:04] Speaker D: I think I'm going to do seven on lyrics, seven on melody, six on music, seven on arrangement, and six on production. I think this is the highest rated score so far.
[00:20:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:17] Speaker D: For a reason. I just think we. I think now that we have a change up, I think that was a good change. Blends the palette of all the other songs. I think that's what happened.
[00:20:26] Speaker C: Yeah, that was good.
[00:20:27] Speaker D: Okay. The next song is the big picture.
[00:20:39] Speaker E: That's how the hustle goes. The world of animals really wanted you to know Now I know it's rational you think it's criminal Just shut your mouth and show you're able oh, another
[00:20:57] Speaker B: mother Just watch the.
You just my son a day that's enough don't go and throw it away don't go, throw it away.
[00:21:26] Speaker C: That mean riff sounds like something, doesn't it?
[00:21:28] Speaker D: But man, Led Zeppelin somewhere.
[00:21:33] Speaker C: Something for sure. That's not bad. I feel like I say the same thing at the beginning of all the songs. Let me listen to a little bit more and see how it goes.
[00:21:42] Speaker D: This one. This one has a pre chorus, which. The other ones don't really have a pre chorus, so that's different. The chorus, I don't think is strong here.
[00:21:48] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:21:48] Speaker C: Like I said, just into it and see how it goes.
[00:21:50] Speaker D: Yeah. First one. That's how the Hustle goes a world of animals Just really wanted you to know Now I know it's rational you think it's criminal Just shut your mouth ensure you're able Pre chorus Another mile to go just watch your step Chorus that's enough you just might start a war today that's enough don't go and throw it all away don't go and throw it all away I'm not too sure about this song yet. I want to listen to it a little bit more. I don't remember this, but I do think the riff is cool.
[00:22:16] Speaker C: Yeah, it does sound familiar. See if I remember.
[00:22:19] Speaker D: Here we go.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: Ready to throw no time to tell it so it's written right here on the label.
Another mother cold just what you said that's enough you just might start a day that's enough don't go and throw it away don't go and throw it away
[00:23:03] Speaker E: Throw it away Throw it away
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Throw it away Throw it away.
Breaking your breath of darkness Shameless.
That's enough you're just my so all day that's enough to go and throw it away.
You just mess on a wall today that's enough to go and throw it away.
And throw it away Throw it.
[00:24:38] Speaker C: Not bad. I don't know why I was picturing STP doing this song. I was thinking to myself, I'd like to hear this through an STP filter. For some reason, I'm not saying it necessarily reminded me of them, but I would like to see what they would bring to it if that makes any sense.
[00:24:52] Speaker D: I think the bridge might sound like that. The bridge something too. After the throw it aways it was that little bridge. I don't know what it was but it sounded familiar.
[00:25:02] Speaker C: It's not bad. It's another one that like better the more it went along.
[00:25:05] Speaker D: And I think it's a little bit different too than stuff on the first side.
[00:25:08] Speaker C: Again, he's very at arranging. He's very good at unifying different pieces that fit really well together.
[00:25:15] Speaker D: Although I have to say I'm not a big fan of the pre chorus into the chorus. I think that's the only part that sounded a little bit forced otherwise. So I liked it. Let me read the rest of the lyrics and we can vote. Verse 2. You want to say you know a life of where and woe but really you don't want to even know how. Towel ready to throw no time to tell and show it's written right here on the label. Pre chorus is the same. Course is the same. The post chorus is throw it away for times the bridge is blameless hold on to your one and only claimless Everything you've ever done is shameless and the chorus is pretty much the same thing. He has problems with lots of people.
Not in a mean way, though. Just like there's lots of things. I don't know if this doesn't feel like a relationship thing, this feels like a person thing.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: Yeah. But it could be angst, right? I mean, yeah, he's young. I mean, I remember definitely at that age writing lyrics about that, that some of them maybe sounded angry or whatever. Whatever. And they weren't necessarily directed at someone specific, but just maybe the way you feel and who knows, maybe too, the way you feel about yourself. Almost speaking to yourself in third person.
[00:26:21] Speaker D: It's possible. I guess I'll go first. I like the lyrics a lot. I'm gonna give them a seven and I'm gonna give it six on everything else. I could have dinged it a little bit for the weird pre chorus into the chorus, but I still don't think it's a bad song. I think it's fine. Seth.
[00:26:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm gonna go sixes across. I definitely liked it better the more it progressed.
[00:26:38] Speaker D: It was a short song. 315.
[00:26:40] Speaker C: Yeah. And none of the songs that long,
[00:26:42] Speaker D: you know, they go into the fives once in a while. Lots of threes, high threes, fours. The next one is Think it over.
[00:27:24] Speaker B: One by one
[00:27:28] Speaker E: Remembering the brighter sun all you love will fall away Away
[00:27:40] Speaker B: can't go back, back not everything is built to last Give everything if I could ask if it meant anything to you why can't I move on?
[00:28:15] Speaker C: This song is straight out of the early arts for sure.
And very different. Probably the poppiest song. It's good. It's very catchy, but very poppy.
[00:28:26] Speaker D: Super poppy. It's really good. Really, really good. I forgot that this song was on here.
[00:28:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's kind. Very catchy.
[00:28:32] Speaker D: I don't know why they didn't release this as a single. This is single material all over it.
[00:28:36] Speaker C: I feel like I've heard this one before, though, and I don't know, because it just has that vibe. Just that strange straight up, early 2000s vibe. But I'm listening to. It's like. I feel like I know this song, but yeah, it's very catchy.
[00:28:48] Speaker D: Verse 1. One by one remembering a brighter sun and all you love would fall away away I assume this is a pre chorus. I can't go back not everything is built to last Give everything if I could ask if it meant anything to you Chorus. Wait, why can't I move on? Whoa, whoa, whoa hey, why'd you take so long? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa to think Think it over it's super catchy.
First three songs, I think, are way different than the songs in the first half.
[00:29:14] Speaker C: I think so.
[00:29:15] Speaker D: From what I remember, they're a little bit different. Especially this. This is super pop.
[00:29:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:20] Speaker D: But I like it. I like that he can go between those two things. He's first. I felt like it was in the same vein all the way through. I'm wondering what the time frame of writing of these songs are. These the earlier ones, and then he got into a groove. Or these the later ones? I'm not sure.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: I know we always talk about that. You always wonder chronologically how they wrote and recorded everything.
[00:29:38] Speaker D: Yeah. Who knows? Maybe this is our first one. I mean, he also has similar Van Halen thing where they could be very poppy, too.
I just think it's a good song. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:30:03] Speaker E: Away, away
[00:30:07] Speaker B: Just wake up not everything will be this stuff.
Don't ever think it's not enough if it meant anything to you wa why can't I move on?
Hey, why you take. So you don't wake me up don't wake me Rather not be bothered by the truth and you Again,
[00:31:13] Speaker C: A little bit of a solo within pop parameters.
[00:31:19] Speaker D: Yeah. I thought it was pretty good. It fit exactly for the song. He didn't give himself a lot of room.
[00:31:23] Speaker C: How much you're gonna do in a song like this?
[00:31:25] Speaker D: I mean, you can have a little bit. Yeah, but that's not what he did. It's fine. I just think, as far as a song goes and a memorable thing, I think this may be the most memorable. At least one of the most memorable.
[00:31:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Agreed. It's pretty good song. Very. I could picture myself listening to this in 2000. 2001.
[00:31:44] Speaker D: That's the kind of songs he'd listen to. Probably on the time frame.
[00:31:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:31:47] Speaker D: Verse 2 Cold regret remembering the words you said hold your breath and slip away, Away Pre chorus. Just wake up not everything will be this tough don't ever think it's not enough if it meant anything to you and I think the chorus is the same. No, it's different. Don't wake me up don't wake me up I'd rather not be bothered by the truth and you Again, again, again, again and did we get to this part? I think. I don't know if we got to this, but one by one Remembering a brighter son and all your love will fall away I'm surprised I don't remember this song.
It's so catchy and so poppy. I should remember this anyway. All right, let's finish it out. Here we go.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: Will fall.
Why can't I move on?
What? You take so long Wait.
Why can't I move on?
Hey, watch it. Take so long.
To think it over to think it over to think it over.
[00:33:26] Speaker C: A little modern country esque, too.
[00:33:29] Speaker D: I can hear that. Won't you go first?
[00:33:31] Speaker C: Six on production, but seven on everything else. Actually, you know what? Let's throw this kid a bone. I'll go eight on the medley. I really like the melody. Yeah. I mean, I think this one and the first one on this side are my two favorites so far. What about you?
[00:33:45] Speaker D: Six in the lyrics, eight on the melody, six on the music, six on the arrangement, and six on production. I think this is a great song. The melody is so catchy.
[00:33:54] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:54] Speaker D: If it wasn't released as a single, which I don't think it was, that was not a smart move.
[00:33:58] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:59] Speaker D: Maybe he just didn't want to put another song out because he put distance out first. Maybe he just did not want another song that was poppy like that. Regardless, it was a good song.
[00:34:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:34:07] Speaker D: The next song is Feel. This is another song that has the Frankenstrat on it. So let's see if there's a solo in this. Here we go.
[00:34:13] Speaker B: This is Feel Sam was supposed to be but it was not enough it
[00:34:45] Speaker E: was always the way that you thought
[00:34:47] Speaker B: of me Was I not enough?
You feel something I feel nothing I know something's wrong
[00:35:02] Speaker E: It's a long, long
[00:35:03] Speaker B: way and another day Long one way it's another day it's on the way it's on the way It's a long way Another day Long way it's another day it's on the way it's on the way.
[00:35:40] Speaker C: I'll say the same thing I said for everything. It's. It's not bad.
So far, my least favorite on this side.
[00:35:47] Speaker D: I think I kind of like it. It's so different. Every song on this side has been so different than the prior seven. I like the drumming. I think the drumming is very well done. Is it as catchy as the other one? No. I mean, you're coming off a super poppy song to this, but it does have a little bit of poppiness in the chorus, though.
[00:36:03] Speaker C: It does. I agree.
[00:36:05] Speaker D: It's a little bit different of a beat, so maybe that's why it throws it off a little Bit, But I thought you would like that. I thought the Dr. Part would be the part you like.
[00:36:11] Speaker C: No, I do. That's what I'm saying. It's not bad. It might take another go through to grow on.
[00:36:16] Speaker D: I like the riff. I'd like to these playing little single line things in there too, besides the chords. And there's that little bass run right before the verse. I thought that was pretty cool. I'll probably back that up so we can hear that again. It's pretty neat. Verse 1. It was always the way it was supposed to be but it was not enough it was always the way that you thought of me Was I not enough? Pre chorus. You feel something I feel nothing I know something's wrong Chorus. It's a long long way in another day Long long way it's another day It' on the way it's on the way It's a long long way in another day Long long way it's another day it's on the way it's on the way Lots of repeating on that one. But that doesn't mean it's bad.
[00:36:52] Speaker C: No, it's not bad. But maybe that's it too. It's a bit repetitive, that thing. Not that it bothers me, but maybe it'll sink in better on the next go around.
[00:37:00] Speaker D: All right, here we go.
[00:37:04] Speaker E: Never more than a game until we
[00:37:07] Speaker B: agree but it was not enough look
[00:37:11] Speaker E: to me like I was a ma
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Was I not enough to feel something?
I feel nothing I know something's wrong.
Sa.
[00:38:43] Speaker C: He's definitely good in arranging. I like that part. I like the little drumming that's going on, the bass stuff that's going on. I don't think we talked too much about the bass playing on this, but this seems to be a little bit more standout for the bass. It's not bad. It's just not grabbing me though. You know what I mean? I can't really put my finger on it. I don't think it's a bad song. I don't think it's a bad melody. It's just the previous three, I think were just stronger than this.
[00:39:07] Speaker D: I was expecting more of a solo, but I know this will sound really weird. The thing that he did play with that guitar, I can almost tell that was the guitar. Does this sound strange?
[00:39:16] Speaker C: No. I think if anybody would know, you would know.
[00:39:18] Speaker D: Know that guitar has something. And maybe it's because I know that's what it is in my head. I'm making it feel that way. But I really do think that even in the limited amount of notes that was in that solo, I could hear that guitar sound the way it sounded. I could be crazy. I don't really know.
[00:39:34] Speaker C: Well, think about this. What song do you know that Eddie played it in? Do you know where he played it? And you're thinking of that Maybe he
[00:39:41] Speaker D: played that guitar and everything up until.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: There you go.
[00:39:45] Speaker D: Foreign, lawful, carnal knowledge. Really feeling 5150 played some other stuff, but really that guitar in the first six albums was everywhere. This is not anything specific that he was playing. Had nothing to do what he was playing at all. It was something. When he played the note and the way it decayed out, it was just sounded like that guitar sounds. Now, whether that's his part of the way he plays or I think he was using the amp too, which I believe he was using the Marshall and the guitar. I believe. Don't quote me. I'm not 100 positive, but I'm pretty positive that on that part the amp and the guitar were used, the original one, that he was using an all. All those albums. I like it. I like all the parts. I like that it's so different. I like the riff, I like the bass playing. I like the drumming. Is it as strong of a melodic song as the one prior? No, it's not. But I do like all the parts. Again, I don't think this is a five song at all. This is going to be at least a six song again.
[00:40:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think it's a five.
[00:40:37] Speaker D: No.
[00:40:37] Speaker C: I'd have to think about it because I wasn't thinking fives. I just didn't think it was as strong as the stuff before.
[00:40:43] Speaker D: It's a different song too. It has a little bit of hoppiness in it, but it's really not. Not a pop song.
All right, let's finish it out. Here we go.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: Supposed to know.
[00:41:44] Speaker D: One of the heavier songs.
[00:41:46] Speaker C: Yes. And I actually think the production works a little bit better on this one for what it is.
[00:41:51] Speaker D: Well, I have to read words. Let me finish reading the words. Verse 2 is never more than a game. That's what we agreed. But it was not enough. You looked at me like I was a machine. Was I not enough? Pre chorus is the same, then the bridge, which is where all the I Feel song comes from. And I feel like something's wrong. And I feel like something's wrong. He repeats that a bunch of times. How are we supposed to know? And the outro is the same way. And he mixes up the chorus the long, long ways with how are we supposed to know all the way? I thought it was an interesting song. I don't think it's single material. It's an album track, and I think I'll go first. Six is across. And again, seven on the music. Just because the Frankenstrate used there.
But I don't think it's a bad song. I would probably like it more the long. I listen to it so they can do the same.
[00:42:33] Speaker C: I don't think it's a five just because I don't think it's as good as the ones before. I don't think it's a bad song. It isn't something where I'm like. I haven't really said that about anything. Overall, I think I'm finding this side definitely more interesting than. Than the first.
[00:42:47] Speaker D: It's more diverse.
[00:42:48] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:50] Speaker D: It has a lot more different types of songs on it. You wonder where this was written in the process. Were these the earlier songs? And they're just all over the place because they're early. And then he owned in on what he wanted to do, and that became the stuff that we heard at the beginning. Maybe because they started in 2013. Could these be the earlier ones?
[00:43:07] Speaker C: Technically, yeah. Because it's really the first side going into the second side. That's really what we're talking about here, where we started.
[00:43:13] Speaker D: Yes. Circles would have been the end of the first side. Technically, I'm just breaking into two halves, just seven and seven.
[00:43:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:43:22] Speaker D: Yeah. It would have started on the end of the first side and worked its way into this.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: I mean, which makes sense because typically when people ended a side, it was something different than what was going on from before it.
[00:43:33] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay. This is the longest song on the album. It's 6:35. This is Stone.
[00:44:16] Speaker B: What you need.
Everyone's alive while you're asleep
[00:44:29] Speaker E: it's all
[00:44:29] Speaker B: been turn to stone.
You say it's all your own.
[00:44:36] Speaker E: You pretend, you pretend it's all been to stone.
[00:44:49] Speaker B: You'll end up here alone in the end.
[00:45:20] Speaker C: I was wondering for six minutes if it was just gonna be that kind of happy. He threw in something a little bit heavier. It's his style. It's different than some of this stuff. He definitely has a style. Without a doubt. I feel that style coming through. I'm just wondering if this song will go past this, because even the heavy part is just like a heavier version of what's already going on. Kind of curious to see what he does with this, like, the riff.
[00:45:44] Speaker D: His singing is good. I like that it got a Little harder. That was cool too. I think it can't go this way for six minutes, though. first of all, it's not words. I don't think there's a little refrain, so maybe it does go that way. I just don't know if it's going to continue this way all the way through. I guess we'll see. I don't remember verse one. You came to be all from everything I lacked in honesty not what you need. Everyone's alive while you're asleep. Chorus. It's all been turned to stone. You say it's all your own. You pretend, you pretend it's all been turned to stone. You'll end up here alone in the end. Yeah, words are still pretty good. Let's continue. Here we go.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Everything was yours. Hypocrisy, True
[00:46:45] Speaker E: disbelief.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: One more thing you couldn't keep.
It's all say it's all
[00:47:06] Speaker E: you.
[00:47:36] Speaker B: Feeling.
You don't believe this because you thought that I was.
Lost to me.
Will never see it and fail to wash.
Sam.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: This is a song that I think you need to listen to without stopping to get the feel of everything. I don't think it's bad. I think the podcast parts are interesting. It isn't a relaxing song. It's one of those songs, got a little bit of a psychedelic vibe to it. There's, I dare say, some beetle esque to it too. That reminds me. It's almost like a heavy beetle thing. It reminds me of. It's not bad.
[00:49:52] Speaker D: Yeah. Again, no solo. Just a break in music. A little Black Sabbathy in that middle part. And then it went back to that very muted guitar through like the telephone radio thing. He uses that a lot here. It's a long song, man. Six something. And it's. We're only 4:41. We have to go almost another two minutes.
I don't think it's bad. Again, not a bad song. I think you're right. This is a song that needs to be listened to straight through. You break it up like this and I just think you lose the whole vibe.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:19] Speaker D: Truth, make believe everything was yours. Hypocrisy, true disbelief One more fucking thing you couldn't keep course is the same. And then the post chorus is, how are you feeling? So you don't believe it because you thought that I would stay. You've lost your meaning you'll never see it. And fail to wash it all away. Way away. And the bridge after the solo is all the way, all the way down. I believe the refrain which I'll probably read now is the same as the post chorus, pretty much. And then there's all the Way down in the outro, so I'll just let it play out. Here we go.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
Lost your be, Sam.
[00:52:34] Speaker C: It doesn't feel like six minutes, maybe, because we broke it up. It's not massively different in terms of the parts. Not a bad song.
[00:52:42] Speaker D: No. I thought it was good. I'd like to groove at the end. I like to add a little bit of keyboard in there. Just like, the one note that's pretty interesting. And there was that weird harmonized guitar thing happening. It was a tad bit off putting.
It was a little weird. Why don't you go first?
[00:52:55] Speaker C: I'm gonna go sixes again. It's definitely a song to listen straight through to really get the full vibe of it. The more I went along, the more I enjoyed it. What about you?
[00:53:04] Speaker D: I'm gonna do the same thing, except I'm gonna do seven on the music because I think there's some interesting parts there I like. If nothing, he's very consistent. It's hard to find an album that's very consistent all the way through. Regardless of what you think about him or what he does, he can write a song. He knows how to write lyrics. He knows how to write melody. It's just a very good album overall. Now we get to the end. So this is Distance. This is a song I think a lot of people heard first. It was nominated for a Grammy, believe it or not.
[00:53:31] Speaker C: Oh, wow.
[00:53:32] Speaker D: He didn't win, but he was nominated. Have you seen the video for this?
[00:53:35] Speaker C: Yes. You sent it to me with all
[00:53:37] Speaker D: the home video stuff. It's a very emotional thing. I believe it was written before he passed away. And Eddie Van Halen did hear this song, and he said Distance was supposed to be a standalone single and not included on the album. But obviously they put it on the album. But he didn't really want this song to be the. A song that everyone heard from him. Just because of the thing about loss in here. Yeah, it's rough. He's working this stuff out, man. The only way he can work it out, and that's what he's doing.
[00:54:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, when you're a musician and a songwriter, it's a good avenue to release emotion and pain and happiness. Definitely a great venue for it.
[00:54:12] Speaker D: Yep. This is Distance.
[00:54:26] Speaker E: I'm so happy you found a place that's better for you than this rock we're living on.
I'm so nervous don't know my place A life without you I'm not ready to move on no matter what the distance is, I will be be with you no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay.
[00:55:31] Speaker C: Is this knowing that he's dying?
[00:55:35] Speaker D: I would assume so. Or just trying to figure out how he was going to feel when it happened?
[00:55:40] Speaker E: Maybe.
[00:55:40] Speaker C: Yeah. Someplace other than this rock we're living in on, it doesn't feel hopeful.
This is a dedication.
[00:55:47] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:55:48] Speaker C: Already. Even if he wasn't dead yet.
[00:55:50] Speaker D: Yeah, well, he heard it. Yeah. He knew the song. He was trying to figure out what he was going to feel, maybe when it happened. Or he's trying to project that out.
Verse 1 I'm so happy you found a place that's better for you than this rock we're living on I'm so nervous don't know my place Life without you I'm not ready to move on Chorus no matter what the distance is, I will be with you no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay. It's a tough thing to hear because I think everyone feels that same way.
[00:56:18] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:56:19] Speaker D: And it's very 90s. Oh, my God, how 90s this is.
This might be the most 90s song.
[00:56:25] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely, definitely 90s.
[00:56:27] Speaker D: Yep. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:56:31] Speaker E: I'm so tired can see your face A memory of you slowly fades when I go on.
I'm still crying don't want this place a world without you I don't think I'll ever move on on
[00:57:12] Speaker B: no matter
[00:57:13] Speaker E: what the distance is, I will be with you no matter what the distance is I will be with you no matter what the distance is I will be with you no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay no matter
[00:57:34] Speaker B: what the distance is I will be with you no matter what the distance is I will be with you no matter what the distance is we'll be with you no matter what the distances will be okay.
No matter what the distance is, I will be with you no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay no matter what the distance is, I will be with you no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay.
No matter what the distances, you'll be okay.
No matter what the distance is, you'll be okay.
[00:59:14] Speaker E: I'm so happy Found a place
[00:59:23] Speaker C: My only complaint about the song is he just says that line. Like if the chorus was half or if he changed the melody at the end when he says the distance and then you'll be okay, he trades those off. It's a little bit better that's my only real complaint about the song. I feel like that part it just said too, too many times with the same melody. I mean, overall, it's definitely a good song.
[00:59:45] Speaker D: You can see that. It doesn't bother me that much, that chorus with the same lines over and over and over. I did like it when it was the outro Better.
[00:59:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Because it changed it up a bit.
[00:59:53] Speaker D: I like the ending. I thought the ending was cool. I like how we ended it. It is a good song. Yeah, it's an emotional good song. Know what it's about. Makes it even a little bit more. Because some of the other songs, you don't really know what they're about or who they're about, but this. You know exactly what this is about. It's a tough song to listen to. And lost. Anybody can 100% understand these lyrics and probably have thought these things sometimes.
[01:00:13] Speaker C: Especially when. When you know it's coming. Even though you think you have time to prepare, you don't.
[01:00:18] Speaker D: Yeah, of course. First two. I'm so tired can't see your face My memory of you Slowly fades When I go on I'm still crying don't want this place A world without you I don't think I'll ever move on. The chorus is, no matter what the distance is I will be with you Three times the. Then, no matter what the distance is, you'll be okay. And he doubles that up. And the chorus, it was just alternate lines on the way out. And then the last line is, I'm so happy you found the place. So he wanted to get past sort of a pain he was in. It was much worse than I think anyone really knew at the time. We found out more now than it was back five years ago, but they had a stroke and all these other things that were going on that a lot of people didn't really know. Yeah, he had to make peace with the whole situation and trying to figure out how he was going to do what he was going to do. Because realistically, he was under his dad's shadow, basically, for his whole life. That's a hard place to be, especially if you want to be a musician. It's hard to be the son of Edward Van Halen. Yeah, it's tough.
No one does good with that. Very few people have been able to get out of the shadow of their parents when they're that popular. It's even hard to think of anyone who's really done it very well.
[01:01:20] Speaker C: Video was good, too, because you always kind of assume that celebrities are not the Best of parents. It's not right to think that way. Especially somebody who, you know, may have addictive problems. Assumption is always, well, they're probably not good parents.
Seeing the video and just assuming that that wasn't the case, he could have just as easily made an angry song.
[01:01:43] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
[01:01:44] Speaker C: It feels as if the relationship was good and probably especially toward the end, if his father had sobered up and they were touring together. I mean, the mom, too, she's in there too. And I've seen the two of them together and it definitely seems like they have that kind of mama's boy relationship, which is good. I don't mean that in a bad way at all.
[01:02:00] Speaker D: She has the Italian mother thing going on, though, because she's Italian, so she has the Italian mother thing going on. I'm going to go first. I'm going to throw him a bone. I'm going to give him sevens on this. I think that just for the subject matter and stuff, just to put this out and put yourself out there like that, this close to the way it was, I'm going to do sevens. It's groovy, man. It's Quintuple seven Nikki Titty Baby.
[01:02:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll probably do the same. I was going to ding a little bit on the melody, but you know what? Like you said, he's putting his heart out there. He's showing us aside to. Of Eddie Van Halen that don't know. You just know him as. As the fabulous guitar player. You don't know him as the father. I'm going to go sevens across nikki
[01:02:39] Speaker D: titty baby quintuple 7 zippity bippity bop.
[01:02:44] Speaker C: I guess it's very apropos to have him do the seven.
[01:02:48] Speaker D: It is.
[01:02:48] Speaker C: I don't think he would give sevens,
[01:02:50] Speaker B: but
[01:02:53] Speaker D: probably not overall. What do you think this is the first time you've ever listened to this? What do you think about it as a total record?
[01:03:00] Speaker C: Want to go back and listen to Straight Through? The thing that impressed me the most about it was the arrangement. He always had bridges, different pieces of things going on. Hearing stuff like that, Straight through, it sinks in better. Definitely the first set of songs we listened to felt more in the same vein than the second set of songs we listened to. Even the tracking of the record is almost odd in the sense of how similar you said it. I was thinking it, but you said it when you were saying, yeah, it's starting to sound a little the same. Not that anything is bad. But then once we started today, there was definitely some Stuff from the first side on there, but it felt a little bit more unique. What's your overall take now, especially if you can remember how you felt when you first listened to it?
[01:03:48] Speaker D: I think that I like the second side this time more than I thought I did. I think it's more diverse. I do still like Epiphany and don't back down from the first side, but I do think the second side has a lot more unique things to it. The. The first side, like I said, get samey same. And I think you may like the next two records a little bit more because I think there's a little more growth in his songwriting.
They still can be a little samey same, but I think there's more of a focus because they're done at the same time, as opposed to this, which is done over a big five year period where that's done over a six month period.
[01:04:20] Speaker C: All things considered, he's playing everything. You definitely give credit for that as well. It doesn't sound like something where it's one person playing. It sounds like a band.
[01:04:30] Speaker D: Yeah, well, that's a big compliment if you think about it. It sounds like it's a band, not. Not one person doing all the individual parts.
[01:04:36] Speaker C: Yeah, because I've heard albums where one person plays everything and you can hear that one person play everything. You don't necessarily hear it here.
[01:04:44] Speaker D: Yeah, I totally get it. All right, Seth, why don't you do your thing?
[01:04:47] Speaker C: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast Network and the Boneless Podcast Network.
[01:04:52] Speaker D: Boneless, you don't like those chicken wings without the bone.
[01:04:55] Speaker C: Like I always say. Great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about Banch, check it out. Van Halen's on there. You got Judas Priest, Rush, Uriah Heap, Tom Petty, you name it, it's probably on there. So go check them out. And Mark, where can they find us
[01:05:09] Speaker D: on the Interweb Rock with that pod on the social media. Rockwoodlabpodcast.com do the polls, do the merch. You know what to do. Put us on your auto download and rate us 5 stars. Wherever you rate your podcasts helps us out. Next week, hopefully Frank will be back and we get to spin the Wheel again. Let's see what the Wheel does. This was an unexpected choice. Maybe we'll have another unexpected choice.
[01:05:29] Speaker C: Yeah, Van Halen's been pretty well represented on this podcast.
[01:05:35] Speaker D: He's got me doing it. If anyone thinks this is me doing it, it's not me doing it. The Wheel does whatever the it wants.
[01:05:40] Speaker C: It was only one time where we decided to do it.
[01:05:42] Speaker D: Yes, other than that.
[01:05:44] Speaker C: It's in the wheel. She likes her Van Halen.
[01:05:46] Speaker D: She does? She has 1800 albums on there. More than that. And she does like it. Okay, we will see you next week.
[01:05:53] Speaker C: Ciao. Ciao.
[01:05:54] Speaker D: Later.
