Episode 194 - Mammoth - Mammoth WVH - Part 1

[00:00:04] Speaker A: This is our musical reaction breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under Fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now onto the Rock Roulette Podcast. [00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign. [00:01:15] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of rock roulette podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast. It took over 1, 800 albums. Stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. Every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast and everyone who takes this trip of discovery and rediscovery every week with us, we really want to thank you again. Keep spreading the word. Tell us what you like, what you don't like. Reach out to us. We always reach back. Tonight we are a duo which has not happened in a while. Unfortunately, Frank could not make it. We have Mark. Oh hi Mark. [00:01:50] Speaker D: What's up guys? [00:01:51] Speaker C: And I'm Sav. Ciao Buena therap. Last week we wrapped up Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys, something very interesting, not the typical rock stuff we do. They definitely have some elements of rock in their music, which everyone knows. Very interesting. We're always pretty good. We acts nostalgic on some of the things that we grew up with. Growing up in the city that was pretty cool. We definitely could relate to some of the things. We're all pretty interesting, especially the last thing, which was a bunch of things thrown together, which was pretty cool. Mark, what'd you think? [00:02:21] Speaker D: Overall, I thought it was cool. I like the samples, I like the nostalgia of the New York City time frame that they grew up in, which is similar to the time frame we grew up in. Maybe a little earlier than us. Overall I thought it was good. I thought the rapping was good. I always like them. They always to me epitomize what rap in New York City sounded like. Obviously, aside from all the other groups that were there, they were one in the beginnings of when it got started to get really popular. I thought it was really good. [00:02:46] Speaker C: Pretty cool. Definitely something different. We do get to spin the Wheel again tonight, which is always exciting. But before we spin the mama wheel, we spin the baby wheel and the New Bets. [00:02:55] Speaker D: In a world where new music is not easy to find. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Welcome to New Bets. [00:03:11] Speaker D: Okay, here's the new Bets Wheel. [00:03:26] Speaker C: Gunshy Butterfly, Dark side. I'm clueless. [00:03:31] Speaker D: I stuck this on the Wheel. It's two women in their 40s. It's kind of grungy, alternative of riot girl, 90s stuff. [00:03:41] Speaker C: Cool. I just started listening to some Riot Girl stuff recently. [00:03:44] Speaker D: There you go. Maybe you like them. [00:03:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:46] Speaker D: Cool. This is Gunshy Butterfly. Dark side. [00:04:10] Speaker E: Changes happen so fast Leaving worlds behind Poetry meant to last but the bright side is blind when all worlds collide we'll see who ends up where in this dark side of mine that keeps us done. Pushing like a treasury Finding that thing [00:04:42] Speaker D: Knowing it's your own fault but the [00:04:43] Speaker E: penny hasn't left yet Wishing it would matter what I did and what I saw Knowing it's tomorrow and you're never gonna call. I know me well Yes, I care way too much but it's so hard to tell what is real these days and what comes from lies it left me with no choice and now we ran out of time. Wishing I could pray for them to find me if they had left Knowing it's your own fault But Patty hasn't left yet Wishing it would matter what I did and what I saw no, it is tomorrow you're never gonna call. Changes happen so fast we made worlds which are meant to last but the bright side is blind When a world's alive we'll see who ends up where it's this dark side of mine that keeps us going. [00:06:52] Speaker C: Yeah. That was cool. I like this. I dug it. Definitely very 90s. Definitely reminded me somebody specifically, but I couldn't think exactly. But, yeah, that was pretty cool. That's a good addition to the Wheel. What do you think? [00:07:02] Speaker D: The vocals are a little bit. See there. Feels like. [00:07:05] Speaker C: Yeah, maybe that's what I was thinking of. [00:07:06] Speaker D: Probably it's that dual singing thing. I find it cool. There are two women in their 40s who are parents, and they're making music no one's giving them because it's a young person's thing. I think it's cool that they do that. They started in 2024. [00:07:20] Speaker C: Yeah. Good for them. That could be impetus for us. We're a little bit older. Listen. Some people still rocking in their 70s, man. The dude from White Snake that I [00:07:27] Speaker D: can't think of Now, Tommy Aldrich, Tommy Aldridge, he still looks the same as he did in 1984. [00:07:32] Speaker C: Yeah, because it was. I was watching it. He was doing Crying in the Rain, I think it was on Drumeo. And my wife goes, how old is he? I said, he's in his 70s. She goes, okay. No, he looks it. I said he looked like this in the 80s. [00:07:46] Speaker D: It's very true. [00:07:47] Speaker C: He's always had the same hair and he's always super thin. Hasn't really aged since then. It seems like he aged then and was there. But drumming wise, he hasn't lost anything. [00:07:56] Speaker D: No, I know. He's very, very good. All right, guys, well, let us know if you like this on social media or if you don't like it or if you want us to find more of this kind of stuff. And let's rubber stamp it. In a world where new music is not easy to find. [00:08:13] Speaker B: Welcome to New bet. [00:08:22] Speaker C: Now we get to spin the mamba wheel. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. What am I thinking? Think of something we haven't had in a while. We had hair metal, now we had rap. I'm trying to think. The last classic rock thing we had, we had the Allman Brothers. And I don't remember how long ago that was. I mean, clearly that's straight up classic rock. I know I keep saying this, but I really would like something from either an era that we knew well would be an album that we just never got to, or band that we know well, and an album that we just never got to. Something like that would be cool. What? What are you thinking? [00:08:57] Speaker D: I agree. I want something from a band I know, but an album? I don't know. It could be something from an 80s band going into the 90s when they tried to transition to grunge and that didn't work very well. Something like that. [00:09:08] Speaker C: That'd be cool. [00:09:09] Speaker D: Yep. Let's spin the wheel. [00:09:34] Speaker C: Mammoth. Wvh Get a lot of Van Halen on this show, man. [00:09:40] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm not even doing this on purpose either. It's the wheel doing what it wants. This is definitely not what we were asking for. [00:09:47] Speaker C: No. How well do you know this one? One? [00:09:48] Speaker D: I listened to it a bunch when it came out. I haven't listened to it in a little bit. This is 2021. This has songs that he put together, I think, starting in, like, 2013. Parts of it. I think he finished it up sometime in 2018. And then his dad got sick and then he held off. [00:10:05] Speaker C: Oh, he Already had intentions of putting out a record. In other words. [00:10:08] Speaker D: Yeah. 100. [00:10:10] Speaker C: That's cool. I want to say I heard at least two songs from here that I liked. The one about his father and there was another one, if I remember correctly. I remember being pretty 90s sound. [00:10:20] Speaker D: He's very 90s, early 2000s sounding. He records everything himself. Guitar, bass, drums, vocals. No one else plays on that. He's the Dave Grohl of this time frame. This was Mammoth, wvh. But he has since gotten the trademark for Mammoth. Now he's dropped the WVH off the end of it. [00:10:37] Speaker C: Who owned that then? [00:10:38] Speaker D: I don't know. It's a very good question. I know he got it back, but I don't know how he got it back. [00:10:44] Speaker C: Is it the Utah NHL? Aren't they Mammoth? [00:10:46] Speaker D: Yes. I don't think it's the same ones, though. So you don't have to say anything about who played because it's only him. Recorded at 5150 Studios by Michael Elvis Basquet. I think he's the guy that does Alter Bridge and Tremonti. I think he's the producer that does that. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Surprise. He didn't produce it himself. Maybe he's. I need something. A filter. [00:11:05] Speaker D: Yeah, he probably needs a filter. It has to be hard now. If you're recording everything yourself and you're playing everything that either can work or really not work. From what I remember, the songs are good on this record. I don't think. I hate anything here. The song about his dad is Distance, and that's the last track on the album. I really haven't listened to this in a while. In probably a good two years. It's going to be a rediscovery again for me because I haven't listened to it at all in a while. I know you haven't really listened to very much besides singles. [00:11:30] Speaker C: Like I said, maybe two songs from this record and you sent them both to me. If you check your messages, you'll see the two songs that I've listened to on this record. [00:11:40] Speaker D: Okay. The first track is Mr. Ed. The interesting thing on here is he used the original Electro Harmonics micro synthesizer his father, Eddie Van halen, used for 1981's Van Halen track Sunday Afternoon in the Park. And he uses the Frankenstrot on a couple of solos on the song. I'll let you know what songs they are when they come up. Okay, here we go. This is Mr. Ed from Mammoth. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Really? Are you happy? You can't see what you're Making. Lost track it all means nothing get back to where you're coming from. Write down a stand for something I feel like I'm the only one. Somehow let you fall out hur now but you'll find out now that you like it here. [00:13:25] Speaker C: So you know what I'm gonna say about the drums? [00:13:27] Speaker D: Yes. You hate them. [00:13:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't like the drum sound. It's okay. I like the mean riff. It has that 90s vibe, but it also has a little bit of that late era hair metal. To me, this is what he grew up in. It's not bad. I think I have to let it progress a little bit to see if I really like it. What do you think of this one? [00:13:45] Speaker D: I think he can sing. I think his drumming is good. I'm not a big fan of his drum sound. And he even says if you like the older style drum sound, you're not gonna like my drum sound sound. He's already told you that. You're not gonna like this. As far as the sound goes, I think his playing is very good. I think his riffs are good. I think he can play all the instruments and his vocals are good. I laughed when he was on tour. Van Halen, they were saying he was using Michael Anthony's background vocal tracks because they couldn't believe he was actually singing. [00:14:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's messed up. I've seen him play as well. Obviously he's got talent. To be able to create an album where you write and play everything thing is always very cool. I have a lot of respect for that. [00:14:23] Speaker D: He's not really using his dad's name. I mean, he can't get away from his name. It's Van Halen. It is what it is. Are some doors maybe opening for him that maybe wouldn't open for us if we had an album out. Of course. But he doesn't lean into it. He doesn't play any Van Halen. He won't do that. He only plays his music. He doesn't want to play his dad's stuff. And that might change when he gets a little bit older. He's 35 now. Maybe in 20 years he'll decide it's not that bad to play my dad's stuff. But right now he's trying to make on his own merit. So you have to give him credit because a lot of people would lean into that Van Halen thing and try to make their life easier. [00:14:54] Speaker C: Yeah, they could. Van Halen had. We've talked about this before, let alone Eddie, his sound, even the drum sound. He could have copied his uncle. It could have made this. Even if the songs don't sound like them, he could have made it sound like them. And he's not doing that. [00:15:09] Speaker D: No. Give him credit. He's really not trying to pull the card. He is, but not as bad as it could be done. He is getting something from his name. You don't just tour with Metallica just because if we had a brand new record out, we wouldn't be torn with Metallica. [00:15:23] Speaker C: I don't think so. [00:15:24] Speaker D: Now, in some ways, yes, there's going to be a little bit of that. The fact that he's not really leaning into it and they're doing it because they want to, or he's getting a little bit of whatever because his name is what it is. He can't change his name. [00:15:35] Speaker C: But you know what you are who you are. And ultimately it doesn't guarantee success. [00:15:41] Speaker D: No. [00:15:41] Speaker C: Been some people that have had success, mild success. I mean, we talk about Julian Lennon. He had mild success. Jacob Dylan had mild success. It's not guaranteed teeth. And I mean, I think that. No, this guy is a guy who works his ass off. Right. I mean, how many albums does he have at this point? Three. [00:15:56] Speaker D: Is it three since 21. Yep. [00:15:58] Speaker C: Yeah. He's always touring. I've seen him do a bunch of interviews and things and I've also seen him guest at certain things. I know he was a big thing at the tribute for the drummer from the Foo Fighters. Hawkins, you are who you are. But listen, if he was doing jazz, it doesn't matter what his name is. He's not touring Metallica. [00:16:17] Speaker D: No. Again, he gets a little bit of a bump from that. But you still have to be good at what you do. Otherwise, eyes. It doesn't matter what your name is. [00:16:25] Speaker C: Nope. [00:16:25] Speaker D: Lyrics verse 1 really, are you happy? Can't see what you're making Lost track It all means nothing get back to where you're coming from Bite down and stand for something I feel like I'm the only one Chorus Somehow we're too far out hurt now but you'll find out now that you'd like it here I'm not too sure what this is about yet and why it's called Mr. Ed. I was always confused about that. [00:16:48] Speaker C: Maybe it's about a talking horse. [00:16:50] Speaker D: It could be. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Maybe Mr. Ed, that's a reference, but maybe it's somebody else. [00:16:54] Speaker D: Well, automatically your brain goes to Eddie Van Halen. [00:16:57] Speaker C: No, no, from him. It went to the talking horse. [00:17:01] Speaker D: Did it? [00:17:03] Speaker C: Absolutely. 1,000%. I didn't do. I didn't even think about Eddie Van Halen until you mentioned it. [00:17:11] Speaker D: Oh, sorry. [00:17:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's actually cool. [00:17:15] Speaker D: And he doesn't use the name of the song in the chorus. [00:17:18] Speaker C: He does. Or doesn't? [00:17:19] Speaker D: Doesn't. [00:17:19] Speaker C: Yeah. I always like that. [00:17:20] Speaker D: I like it if it's not every time. [00:17:22] Speaker C: I always been a big fan of that. Or if it's mentioned it isn't a main part. Kind of gets aligned somewhere. Cuz sometimes that happens. You kind of like a line. You don't want to use it over and over in a chorus. But there's a. That one line in the song where you're like, yeah, I kind of like that. That's where it ties into more than anything else. [00:17:39] Speaker D: Yep. All right, let's continue. Here we go. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Now you're sorry sadly empty to me Waste all the breath you can't do you're there and I'll still be right here. Somehow where you fall out hur now but you'll find out now that you like it Somehow we're too far out hur now but you'll find out now that you're like inher don't mean this is more than just a fair fight Coming closer into the life I want to see what you got now let your right. [00:19:21] Speaker C: Definitely some Van Halen esque reminiscence. I think there when you say in the solo, I actually liked it. The music that was playing underneath. I actually could have gone a couple more bars. What do you think of it? [00:19:32] Speaker D: Well, yes, there's going to be some Eddie Van Halen in him. I give him a pass on the tapping because of his dad, but he's not using it in a. I have to do this because it's my dad's thing. It sounds natural. I'm okay with tapping if it sounds natural. If it sounds like it's part of your playing. And it's not just, oh, I need to do this because it's tapping. I usually can tell for me how I feel. I can tell when it's just part of the playing style. And that's just the way he plays guitar. I thought it was good. [00:19:58] Speaker C: A lot of. At least mainstream, I would say say guitar tapping going on in 2021, I don't think. [00:20:06] Speaker D: No, not even now. Yeah, there is a little bit of 80s rock in here. [00:20:11] Speaker C: You're right. [00:20:11] Speaker D: I never noticed it, but there is a little bit of it. [00:20:13] Speaker C: But One thing said Mr. Ed by Mammoth's primarily a musical nod to his father. But Wolfgang used Mr. Ed as a placeholder Name for the demo because the intro involved harmonic tapping. And then while he acknowledged in his interview with Guitar World that people might ask if it's about his dad, he clarified that the title was just a funny thing to call it. That simply stuck. The lyrics, it says they do not directly address his father or their relationship. [00:20:39] Speaker D: No. It feels like a breakup song, actually, when I'm reading it. At least parts of it anyway. Verse 2 is really now you're sorry. Sadly always empty to me. Waste all the breath you care to. You're there and I'll still be right here. Chorus is the same. It is pretty much what it was before. Just a little bit longer. I'll read it, though. Somehow we're too far out hurt now but you'll find out now that you like it Somehow we're too far out hurt now but you'll find out now that you'd like it here and the bridges all the rules don't mean they're right this is more than just a fair fight Come closer into the light I want to see what you've got now where's your bite? Maybe it's not a relationship. So maybe it's about someone saying to him behind his back. [00:21:19] Speaker C: Maybe it's about Mr. David, Mr. Dave. [00:21:23] Speaker D: No, there's stuff on the record that's about Mr. Dave. [00:21:27] Speaker C: Oh, is that there? [00:21:28] Speaker D: Yes. I think this really has something to do with maybe people on the Internet saying things about him because of his dad and him being, you know, a nepo baby, because he doesn't play his dad's songs. Why can't you play your dad's songs? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just he has to deal with a lot of. [00:21:42] Speaker C: And then if he plays his dad's song, it's like, oh, no, you got to play your dad's songs. Right? [00:21:46] Speaker D: Yeah, of course. Yes. [00:21:48] Speaker C: It's a double edged sword. [00:21:49] Speaker D: I mean, he can't win. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Well, you know what? I think he is, though? I think he's doing what he wants. He's established a career. Career. His name is out there. The mammoth name is out there. It's not just his name that's out there. It's all three albums, I assume, right? He does everything or not anymore? [00:22:03] Speaker D: Yes, he does everything. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Okay, that's what I'm saying. But still the mammoth name is out there. [00:22:07] Speaker D: He's on big tours. Guns N' Roses, Metallica, and he's on big stuff. He was with Creed, I think, just recently and maybe now too as well. He's not playing little things he has his own headlining shows, which are smaller, which makes sense. But he's on some big tours, and that can be good for you because it'll put you right in the middle of people if they may not even know who you are. Because it could be. Some people don't know who he is, I'm sure. [00:22:27] Speaker C: Or like Van who? Yeah, well, Van What? [00:22:30] Speaker D: Van what? Mr. Ed? Who's that? [00:22:32] Speaker C: Yeah, the horse. [00:22:35] Speaker D: All right, let's finish it up. Here we go. [00:22:51] Speaker B: Somehow let you fall out Work now what? You find out now that you like that. [00:23:14] Speaker C: I like that ending. [00:23:15] Speaker D: Why don't you go first? [00:23:17] Speaker C: I'll keep it simple. I'm thinking sixes across right now. It's not bad. It's not wow, but it's not. Yeah, I mean, the production is what it is. I liked the production in the solo for whatever reason. That's why I'm not doing five. Five. But it's not all of the production that bothers me. It's just that drum sound, which sounds like the firehouse. Even though I never specifically mentioned. I didn't mention in those episodes. That's what it reminds me of, that style of production. What about you? [00:23:44] Speaker D: I'm gonna go sixes across two. I think there's stuff I like in here better than this. I don't hate it. I think his voice sounds really good. His guitar playing is good. His riffs are good. He does everything fairly well. I'm surprised you like this as much as you do, given it Sixes. Is this surprising for you? Is this a surprise? [00:24:01] Speaker B: No. [00:24:01] Speaker C: I mean, that's just what' my head. I don't think it's really deserving of anything lower than that. I think, too, that the songs that I've heard, which I'm pretty sure wasn't this one, were better. To me, that's kind of where I am. [00:24:15] Speaker D: All right, let's continue it. Next one is horribly right. [00:24:45] Speaker B: You think you got it all under control Everything is starting to unfold Made your bed but you won't lie in it that little voice that starts inside your head I believe in you, believe in me I'll be everything you thought you bet you don't want it I you don't need it Turn your head, you won't even believe it Send out the light I don't think you'll ever realize say a prayer tonight if you made it this far when probably right. [00:25:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm same. It's not bad. It's not great, but it's not bad. You know what I mean? I don't know what else to say. [00:25:47] Speaker D: It's fine. I don't hate it. [00:25:49] Speaker B: No. [00:25:50] Speaker C: So far they're okay. They're not bad songs. They're okay. The chorus is decent. I like the chorus better than the verse. So far. I'm not getting a 90s vibe. I'm getting that late 80s, early 90s hair metal. Just not as formalaic. [00:26:05] Speaker D: Though maybe the riffs are not 80s hair metal refs. [00:26:08] Speaker C: No, the vibe, more in the choruses kind of remind me of that. [00:26:12] Speaker D: Yeah. I think it's a good song. I don't hate it. I think his vocals, he's doing really well. The drums we automatically know you're not going to like. The sound of his playing is good, though. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:20] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. No, definitely. There's definitely stuff that I listen to now with that drum sound. Especially some heavier stuff that still incorporates that drum sound. I said okay. Either you can't listen to it, which is really not the case. It's more of a high wish. The drums and sound sound like that. [00:26:35] Speaker D: Yeah, me too. I'm not a big fan of that drum sound. His playing is good on everything. It's not a horrible song. I like the chorus. He does stuff similar to what Van Halen does in the way of. The choruses tend to be more major and more upbeat. And the verses tend to be sometimes minor. They did that a lot. He does the same kind of stuff. The choruses are very poppy. There's a poppy thing going on in the choruses. Anyone that says he can't sing or can't play, that would be a lie. You could just listen this. No, he can play. Yeah. [00:27:06] Speaker C: A good voice. [00:27:07] Speaker D: I think he has a really good voice. [00:27:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:09] Speaker D: I think some people just are mad that he's not doing what they want. Yeah. He's not living up to their expectations of what he should be doing. And like you said, if he did do the things that they wanted him to do, then they. He's living off the Van Halen name. [00:27:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:21] Speaker D: He can't really win. [00:27:22] Speaker C: He's winning in his own way. Because if he put out a record and it did nothing and he wasn't touring, and then it'd be one thing putting out his own music. He's writing it all, he's playing it all and. And he's on tours. So clearly he's a person that people want to speak to and he's part of the scene. [00:27:39] Speaker D: Yes, sir. Verse 1. You think you've got it all under control, but everything is starting to unfold. Major Bed but you won't lie in it that little voice that starts inside your head I'll believe in you, believe in me I believe Everything you thought you'd be but you don't want it and I don't need it Turn your head, you won't even believe it Chorus, Turn out the lights I don't think you'll ever realize say a prayer tonight if you made it this far it went horrible Be right. I don't think his lyrics are bad either. There's very little cheese in his lyrics. [00:28:08] Speaker C: Very introspective basis today. I think the song is just okay, though. Probably I'm looking at the same kind of scores. Because it. I don't think it deserves less than that. Let's see. Because maybe it's a progressive, like. Oh, you know what? This kid. A newer high for me. [00:28:21] Speaker D: Okay, let's continue. Here we go. [00:28:32] Speaker B: Can't you see how much there is at stake? It's just another one of your mistakes Slipping down, slipping down so come with me look around, look around what do you see? But you don't want it and I don't need it Turn your head, you won't even believe it Now, Coll. I don't think you'll ever realize say tonight if you made it this far Went poorly, right? Slipping down, slipping down so come with me look around, look around until you see Slipping down, slipping down so come with me, look around, look around what till you see? Slipping down, slipping down so come with me, look around, look around what do you see? Slipping down, slip on down look around, turn out the light I don't think you'll ever be alive say a prayer tonight if we made it this far Went horribly right. Horribly right. Horribly right Slipping down, slipping down so come with me look around, look around what do you say? Slipping down, slip on down, look around. [00:30:40] Speaker C: I was expecting a solo. [00:30:42] Speaker D: Yeah, I forgot. This one doesn't have a solo in it. [00:30:43] Speaker C: I like the arrangement. I actually kind of liked it. And I. I like the chorus. [00:30:48] Speaker D: I like the little harmonic things that went from one side to the right to the left. Move them around. That was pretty cool, too. That was an interesting production choice. All right, verse two. Stumbling and you're not shooting straight. Subtlety is not your finest trait can't you see how much there is at stake? It's just another one of your mistakes Slipping down, slipping down so come with me look around, look around what do you see? But you don't and I don't need it Turn your head, you won't even Believe it. Chorus and then the bridge is the slipping down part. And chorus. And then more horribly right things and slipping down toward the end. I do think he does pretty decent lyrics. This one may be not as good as the last one, but I don't think it was bad. I think I'm going to do what you did. I think I'm going to do sixes again because I don't think it's worse than that. I've heard worse songs. I think he does a good job. I think there's stuff on here I like better. Hopefully, from what I remember is coming up fairly soon. Zap. [00:31:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I'll do the same. I did like it better, but I think it was the chorus that was winning me over. I thought the chorus was pretty good. The verses weren't bad. These are songs where I say, okay, I've only heard them once. I may like them better going back to them. I'm not sitting here going, yeah, yeah, it's all right, whatever. [00:31:58] Speaker D: No, they're decent songs. I think you have to listen to them a little bit more to get the feel and see which ones you really attach onto. But the not bad. You don't go to this and go, this sucks right off the bat. I don't want to listen to this again. [00:32:10] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, exactly. [00:32:11] Speaker D: There's next song is Epiphany. [00:32:38] Speaker B: We tried so hard it's time to let it go. We tried so hard it's time to let you know. What would you do if I already knew? How do you sleep at night? What would you say if I threw this away? Is it really worth being right? Will you wake me? I'm falling down But I never felt so right Will you. [00:33:48] Speaker C: This one has a little bit more of that 90s vibe. Insane. You know, I'm still in that range. There's nothing wrong with it. I think his choruses are definitely the strongest part of the songs. I think he can write a pretty good hook. [00:33:59] Speaker D: I like this one a lot. I like the bass part at the beginning. I like the guitar parts. I think he's doing a great job. I think I might like this a little bit more than the first two. I'm sure it's gonna. For me, it's gonna little bit higher scores just because I do like it a little bit more. But his choruses are catchy. He knows how to write a chorus. [00:34:13] Speaker C: Yep. [00:34:14] Speaker D: Verse one. We tried so hard it's time to let it go we tried so hard it's time to let you know Pre chorus. What would you do if I already knew how do you sleep at night? What would you say if I threw this away? Is it really worth being right? Chorus Will you wake me? I'm falling down But I've never felt so alive Will you hate me when it's all done? Because I have never felt more alive I think it's fine. I do like this song a lot. I think this is one of my favorites on the album. Let's continue. Here we go. [00:34:54] Speaker B: We cry so hard but will it really show? What would you do if I already knew how do you sleep at night? What will you say when I throw this away I've never felt more alive Will you wake me? I've fallen down But I never felt so alive Will you take me when it's all time Cuz I've never felt more alive and I'll be there when you fall down, down, down. Well I be there to watch you crawl. And I was there when there was no one else. But where were you when it went to hell? You. Wake me Cause I've never felt more alive Will you take me when it's so dead? Cause I've never felt more alright, when we arrive. [00:37:33] Speaker C: No solo again, man. Right? [00:37:35] Speaker D: Nope. [00:37:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it's cool. He does that verse, chorus, verse, chorus thing. But he always has these bridges too. I do like that he has those extra bits. I'm pretty sure it's happening in every song. At least some kind of bridge. [00:37:46] Speaker D: I like the bridge on this a lot. [00:37:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Piano. [00:37:49] Speaker D: I liked all the back background voice. Then the guitar comes in at the end. I thought it was good. [00:37:53] Speaker C: Honestly. I like the way the drum sound in that better than they do when they come back in. [00:38:01] Speaker D: Well, you know, it's so weird how that happens but like you said, it's either don't listen to anything at all new because it's all going to sound this way. You don't have to like it, you just wish it sounded different. Yeah. [00:38:12] Speaker C: The song that we did at the new Bets, the drums didn't sound like that. They sounded raw. They just sounded garagey in a way which was cool. [00:38:19] Speaker D: That's really the style what they're going for too. [00:38:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Technically you could put this in there still. [00:38:23] Speaker D: Oh, of course. It wouldn't fit there though. At all. [00:38:26] Speaker C: No. [00:38:26] Speaker D: This is a tad bit more produced than that. Basically verse two is we tried so hard who knows where we'll go we cried so hard but will it really show? Pre course is the same. Course is the same and the bridge is I'll be there when you fall down, down, down we'll all be there to watch you crawl and I was there when there was no one else but where were you when it went to hell? And basically just wake me toward the end. It's all repeating, repeating, repeating. Why don't you go first this time? [00:38:52] Speaker C: I'll say seven on arrangement and six on everything else. I think this one so far is probably my favorite, and I'm not given the same scores. I really like that bridge part in this one. This could graduate to a seven, I think across right now it's not, but it could maybe on an immediate follow up lesson. But yeah, I think this one's my favorite so far. What about you? [00:39:15] Speaker D: So far we're doing the exact same thing. I'm gonna do everything six except for arrangement seven. I do like that bridge a lot. I also like that he brings in the guitar in different places. There's that chuggy going on, and then he has other higher parts and things happen in the second line of the verse. Kind of like that. Sixes across except for arrangement, which is seven. All right, next one is. Don't back down. [00:40:11] Speaker B: Breathing in all the madness around you Feeling like it's the end of days Throw aside Now you know that you want to they don't know better anyway. Everybody's jumping crazy. Come on until we're dead and gone. Love revival Another reprisal Hurry up, better not be late Time to go need to know that you're in this Take a stand, don't hesitate yeah, everybody's going crazy. [00:41:42] Speaker C: I like that opening riff. I like when the drums come in. I don't like that. It undermines the heaviness of that initial riff. I don't think this song is bad, but I think if he just kept it that heaviness. Because I was almost thinking a little Zach Wilde there. I'm Black Label Society. This one's okay. This could be my least favorite so far, which is odd because I'm a sucker for that. [00:42:06] Speaker D: I thought you were gonna like this better than all the rest of them. [00:42:09] Speaker C: Yeah, it could have. It started out with the possibility. I don't know, maybe that pop element that. I'm not digging. I just wanted it to be heavy and it's not. [00:42:19] Speaker D: Everything he does has a pop element into it. [00:42:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:22] Speaker D: I think you have to understand that's just what he does. I like this a lot. I like the riff. The drums sound like something else, and I can't put my finger on which it sounds like. I like the. Yeah, everyone's going crazy Part. The don't back down part is fine. I don't think that's the best part of the song. I do like the verses, and the pre chorus is better than the chorus. I do like the song. It is one of my favorites on the record. I like the riff. [00:42:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that opening riff. And like I said, I like the chug. I'm gonna say the production, but just the way it's used undermines the heaviness a bit. As I keep listening to it, I might say, oh, you know what? I don't notice it as much now. That could be a thing as well. [00:42:59] Speaker D: It's the first time you're hearing it. [00:43:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:01] Speaker D: Lyrics. Breathe it in the madness around you Feeling like it's the end of days thrown aside now you know what you want to they don't know better anyway. Yeah, it's. Everybody's going crazy yeah Won't be long until we're dead and gone first two a revival, another reprisal Hurry up, better not be late, time to go need to know that you're in this Take a stand, don't hesitate and the yeah part's the same. And then don't back down. Just don't back down is the chorus. And I forget if this has a solo in that. I think it does, but I'm not positive. I haven't heard this in a while. Here we go. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Everybody's going crazy don't you look away. Everybody's going crazy Walking long until the day. [00:45:18] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker C: It's just that verse, because I think it's heavy throughout the rest of it. And I do like it, and I like that better. I mean, I like most of the riffs that are going on. It's just that verse, for whatever reason, and it doesn't ruin the song. But I do like the chugging thing. Yeah, it's not bad. [00:45:33] Speaker D: Spew the hate ain't it great? Now that we're through Eyes are open you made your case now you're done I don't think that you need to. They won't know. And then basically, the year everyone's going crazy parts go on to the end of the song. I do like this song a lot. No guitar solo again, which is a little weird. [00:45:51] Speaker C: You remembered every song having one. I thought you. I mentioned. [00:45:54] Speaker D: I really thought so. But, you know, maybe. I'm thinking of the later albums. The last two, I think there were more guitar solos. Maybe on purpose. He did that. It's very possible. I don't think he gives a. He either wants to do A solo. He doesn't. [00:46:06] Speaker C: Yeah. It's how it should be anyway, right? You want to do. When you're doing. If you don't want to do it. I know there's all this discussion about, well, there's no solo solos now or. There was no solo then. This and that. Right. Now when you do. So do solo if you don't want to do and don't do well. [00:46:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I think I'm gonna do the same as the last one. I'm gonna do sixes across an arrangement. 7. I do like the song. I don't like the chorus as much here as I do the rest of the song. I think I like it as much as Epiphany, at least for me right at the moment. Zev. [00:46:34] Speaker C: I'm gonna go straight sixes. When it clicked, it clicked. It was just that thing in the verse that for whatever reason and lightened it up for me. But he didn't do it in the rest of it, so that's what was cool. [00:46:45] Speaker D: Alrighty, here we go. The next one is resolve. [00:47:13] Speaker B: No more power what we know is not the same. Drunk with power only you control this game Take anything, break everything you know you're wrong it won't be long Take anything, break everything you know you're wrong, it won't be long well, what now? Something in the way you found me don't even know how it goes Broken down something in the way you lost me you won't ever know the result. [00:48:43] Speaker C: I like the vibe of this one, but it doesn't really seem to go anywhere. There's not much distinction between, I guess, what would be a verse and a chorus. I'm not sure yet. I do like the vibe of it. [00:48:55] Speaker D: This, to me, is the most 90s sounding so far. [00:48:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I get that. [00:48:59] Speaker D: I don't hate it. I actually do think I like the vibe. There really isn't a differentiation in the chorus part, which I wish. Maybe it got harder there, which would really emphasize the 90s of it a little bit more. But maybe he didn't do that on purpose. [00:49:12] Speaker C: No, it could be. I wish there was a little bit more dynamics to it. That's what I'm waiting for. Who knows? Maybe as it progresses, I'll kind of start noticing the dynamics and picking up on it. [00:49:22] Speaker D: I liked his little solo break. I thought that was really good. [00:49:24] Speaker C: Yep, I like that. Agreed. [00:49:26] Speaker D: He sounds nothing like his dad in that part at all. [00:49:29] Speaker C: No, no, that was no tapping or. [00:49:32] Speaker D: Well, not even that. Even the phrasing is not really like his dad. He can do a good job. The stuff that I saw, he did a lot. The Taylor Hawkins thing, for whatever reason, it's maybe because of the jeans or whatever is going on. When he was playing that stuff to me as being a guitar player, when I listened to him play, it sounds a little more like his dad had other people trying to play those songs. And maybe it's just the jeans thing and he has the thing that he had. And so. So maybe some of the phrasing sounds right. Does that make sense? Because it just comes from whatever's happening here. It was just good. I thought it was a nice little break. [00:50:04] Speaker C: Plus, I mean, he grew up around it. Right? I mean, he absorbed it. [00:50:07] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:08] Speaker C: Which is. Which helps. He absorbed it organically. [00:50:11] Speaker D: Yeah. I agree. Okay. Verse 1 no more flowers what we know is not the same. Drunk with power only you control this game. Pre chorus Take anything, break everything you know you're wrong it won't be long Take anything, break everything you know you're wrong it won't be long Chorus. Well, what now? There's something in the way you found me you don't even know how it goes broken down there's something in the way you lost me you won't ever know the resolve. I think the words are good too. [00:50:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:41] Speaker D: I'm not too sure what he's talking about. I don't know what any of his words are about. All right, let's continue. Here we go. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Countless hours only you can cure this pain. You fucking coward. Brought on more unwanted change. Take anything, break everything you know you're wrong it won't be long Take anything, break everything, know you're wrong it won't be long well, what now? Something in the way you found me you don't even know how it goes Broken down something in the way you lost me you won't ever know the result. Sam. [00:52:44] Speaker C: I like that part. That's also very 90s sounding. He is good at that. The Bridges. Bridges are honestly some of the best parts of the songs. Even it's not a solo. It's just one simple part. But it does break up the song. And it's different. It's cool. [00:52:56] Speaker D: That was very 90s too. The whole vibe of that was super 90s. [00:53:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. [00:53:01] Speaker D: Maybe that's why I like the song so much. It doesn't need to have a solo. Even though. Listen, I'm a guitar player. I like solos, but some things don't need it. This was the anti solo. Solo. Break. Verse 2. Countless hours only you can cure this pain you Coward brought on more unwanted change I don't think this is a relationship thing. This is about people Again. Chorus is the same. Pre. Chorus is the same. I think it's going to be pretty much the same thing. Going toward the outro. Let's finish it up. Here we go. [00:53:32] Speaker B: And the way you found me you don't even know how it go Broke it down Something in the way you lost me you won't ever know the result you're what's wrong Something in the way you love me and don't even know anymore All I love there's something in the way you broke me Won't ever know the result Won't ever know the result. No Won't ever know the result. [00:54:41] Speaker C: I like the end, look. It's very full voice is very good. And I. I like the way he layers himself, too, which is cool. [00:54:47] Speaker D: I like a lot about the song. I'll go first. I'm gonna do seven on the lyrics and six on everything else. Again, I don't know if it's more than that. I like the 90s vibe. I really do wish the chorus went heavy, but then again, maybe I would have said, well, that's a stock thing to do, because the chorus went heavy. [00:55:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:05] Speaker D: I complained about the stockness. [00:55:07] Speaker C: Always the telephone voice. [00:55:09] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, he had a little bit of that one in the other songs, too. Not even. Not really the telephone voice, but the lo fi voice. It wasn't really telephone or microphone, but he used that a little bit too. As long as you don't overuse it, it's fine. [00:55:20] Speaker C: We had it in one of our songs, too. [00:55:22] Speaker D: It was the 90s. [00:55:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:25] Speaker D: What do you think? [00:55:25] Speaker C: I'm going to go sixes across. It grew on me. I mean, not that I was going to do fives on it. It wasn't like, oh, it was fives. And then it jumped to six. I was kind of always in that range. I liked as it went on. We haven't really kind of done the sevens things, but none of these songs have been bad. I'm waiting for that song, though. I'm like, all right, here it is. Sevens or eights. [00:55:44] Speaker D: I think inevitably it's gonna happen. Maybe it's not this album, though. You also have to remember, this thing was started in 2013 and finished in 2018 and wasn't released till 21. Was recording lots of different things and different times. Who knows what his head was at when he was doing all these things. Dad was sick. All these things. And the later albums, I think, had more of a less 2 have had more of a focus because they're done at the same time. As opposed to this, which is all over the place, you know, five years worth of recording. [00:56:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:12] Speaker D: I really thought there were more guitar solos in here. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:16] Speaker D: Again, probably on purpose. [00:56:18] Speaker C: It is riff based. [00:56:19] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. I know. If he does solos, they'll be like, well, you're just trying to be like your dad, but you're not as good as he is. That's gonna happen. Yeah. [00:56:27] Speaker C: We can be dicks. [00:56:28] Speaker D: Yeah. Of course they can be. Okay. This is. You'll be the one. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Another round Another way brought me down now it's too hard to fake all the lies you create if it weren't for you I'd say It goes on and on and on and on and on it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. [00:57:25] Speaker C: I like the opening riff. I'm not sure that I like the drum pattern like that. You think it's gonna go one way, it goes another way, which is cool. I think I wanted something different. I think I wanted a little bit more of a groove to it. Slower groove. One of those. It's not bad. A lot of these songs, when they first started One Way, and then as they progress, like, okay, like, I just think they get better. [00:57:48] Speaker D: The chorus is very Foo Fighters. [00:57:50] Speaker C: Yeah. This definitely has a little bit of that and some of that 80s thing. Again. [00:57:54] Speaker D: I don't think it's bad. I don't think any song here is bad. I think this is an album that you have to put on and then revisit and come back and figure out what songs you really like. I don't think this is a one listen album. [00:58:04] Speaker C: I agree. Because even the one before I was one place, even though my scores have been consistent, I find myself saying, okay, well, yeah, you know, I like this, the way as it progresses and the things that he's doing. And maybe if I go back to it, I like it even more. We've said this before on the podcast. Sometimes it's good breaking things up because the parts are, you know, bigger than the whole. But sometimes, too, when you break it up, there is a vibe when you listen to a song straight through that you may or may not get this way. And this could be one of those records. [00:58:35] Speaker D: I don't have much to complain about on this record. Sixes across is not bad. Even though there's no seven so far. All the Way Across a six record is not a bad record. [00:58:45] Speaker C: None of them have been stinkers, without a doubt. I haven't had that moment where I'm like, yeah, man, here it is. I'm not sitting here going, okay. [00:58:53] Speaker D: I mean, he's talented guy. [00:58:54] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:58:55] Speaker D: Whether you like. Everything he does is a whole nother story. But in general, I think his songs are good. His lyrics are very good. He doesn't put any cheese in his lyrics, really. They all have something to say, whether if you know exactly what he's saying. I don't know. I think that's also good, too, because if it's too obvious, then it doesn't make you think this way. It makes you think a little bit because you're not sure what he's saying saying or what he's talking about or who he's talking about. [00:59:16] Speaker C: Especially if you're writing lyrics for yourself and things that relate to you and you're writing them in a way that's relatable to you. It is what it is. You could just as easily write about some. Anything and say, okay, well, if I write it like this, people won't know what I'm talking about, so I have to write it this way. That's kind of, I think, maybe with some of the cheese comes out when you force it to be something. All seem very personal and maybe have a lot to do with what he was going through. I get that vibe. You're the sun, you're on tour, you shouldn't be there I get a little bit of that anger from him. [00:59:47] Speaker D: Bubbles under the surface of everything that's happening first one, another round, another way brought me down now it's too hard to take now it's too hard to fake all the lies you create if it weren't for you I'd stay Chorus. It goes on and on and on on and on and on it goes on and on and on on and on and on and on and on goes on yeah I didn't realize there was that many on and ons. It didn't sound that. That way when he sang it. [01:00:10] Speaker C: Oh, no, there's a lot. I did notice that. [01:00:13] Speaker D: It just feels more when I read it than when I listen to it. All right, let's continue. Here we go. [01:00:18] Speaker B: Look at you, look at me Tell the truth Is it that hard to see every damn one of you? Go ahead and take a number I'll be waiting it goes on and on on and on and on it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on May you be the ones maybe you be the one to breathe. [01:01:58] Speaker C: I like that Wawa like I Said on the other one, I guess the first song, which had the biggest solo in it. I could have gotten a couple more bars. I liked that it was loud. It was loud, but it wasn't too low. And it didn't overshadow what was going on behind it. What'd you think of it? [01:02:12] Speaker D: I thought it was fine. I liked it. Just like his dad. He doesn't give himself a lot of room. Sometimes he gets very short pieces. He must inherit the way his dad wrote solo sometimes. Because a lot of times he didn't give himself a lot of room. [01:02:24] Speaker C: No. [01:02:24] Speaker D: And on this. You think you want more. [01:02:26] Speaker C: I'd like the way he came in the bridge. Definitely. Very, very good arranging. Yeah, there is a lot of the verse chords. Verse chords. But these bridges and things that happen. He doesn't go straight into a solo or a bridge. I appreciate that as well. [01:02:40] Speaker D: Verse 2. Look at you. Look at me. Tell the truth Is it hard to see every damn one of you? Go ahead and take a number. I'll be waiting. Guess you're right. This is about people busting his chops. Could be the last line right there. Pretty much says everything you need to know. [01:02:54] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what that sounds like. Hey, man, whatever. Take a number, right? That's what people say. You want to complain? Take a number. [01:03:00] Speaker D: Chorus is the same. There's a post chorus. Maybe you'll be for once maybe you'll be the one to bleed. And the bridge is on and on and on and on. And the outro, I think, is the same thing as the post chorus. Or pretty close anyway. Let's play it out. Here we go. [01:03:22] Speaker B: You be the one to Blade. You'll be the one to Blade. [01:03:41] Speaker C: I like his guitar tone as well. I like the sound. The overall. I like the sound of his guitar in every song. [01:03:47] Speaker D: He has a very good tone. I like it. [01:03:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:49] Speaker D: You want to go first? [01:03:49] Speaker C: I'm going to go six across again. I did like it better as it progressed. Not that any of these songs were ever. Fives is a record, I think, to go back to. And maybe some of the scores or at least certain of the things may go up. What do you think for this one? [01:04:03] Speaker D: Yeah, I'll probably do sixes across as well. It's not one of my favorites on this album so far. I think Epiphany and don't back down on my two favorites. I think that's been that way for a little bit. We're going to end it on song seven, which is mammoth. Even though on the album it's double albums and an M on Circles, which is the next song. Because the next episode will be seven songs as well because it's 14 songs. So I'm just going to cut it in half, make it easy. [01:04:27] Speaker C: Yeah, it sounds good. [01:04:28] Speaker D: Yeah. This is mammoth. [01:04:46] Speaker B: Sa. Break. Now I'm home. Right away. How we grow. Not okay to blame yourself Lay down and die like everybody not okay don't just give up and walk away. Hey. Anything is possible. You're not the only one. Let him figure unre wrong. [01:06:25] Speaker C: This is another one where I like the vibe of it more than the actual song, but it's not bad either. And this is also very 90s sounding. [01:06:33] Speaker D: I agree. I do like the vibe and it is 90s sounding. From what I can get gather it's about depression, feels like. Which I know he has a little bit himself from interviews and stuff that I've seen. Seems like all these songs are just very personal. [01:06:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is cool. [01:06:49] Speaker D: Yeah, it is. I'm not too sure about the riff. I mean, I don't know. This is not grabbing me as much as I want it to be. Although I know that the solo in this song is the Frankenstrack guitar. The most famous one is played on here. So that's going to give it props. Maybe just in the music side because that's being used. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Used. [01:07:05] Speaker D: Is it bad? No, it's not a five. I don't think anything here has been a five. [01:07:10] Speaker C: No, I don't think so either. [01:07:11] Speaker D: I don't think for me, most of these songs are better than Epiphany or Don't Back Down. I think sometimes it can get into the samey. Same territory. [01:07:19] Speaker C: I was gonna say that too. There's parts where I'm saying okay, some of this stuff is starting to sound a lot alike. It isn't necessarily the main riff. It's the vibe or the choruses. Maybe the way he layers and listen. I mean, if that's a style, that's the style. That's cool too. [01:07:35] Speaker D: He likes the mid tempo song. Hasn't every song here been pretty much mid tempo? [01:07:40] Speaker C: Yep. I would say so. Yeah. [01:07:41] Speaker D: I haven't heard this in a while. I don't hate the chorus. Verse 1 Wide Awake Now I'm home right away how we've grown not okay to blame yourself Lay down and die like everybody else not okay to just give up and walk away Chorus. Hey you. Anything is possible. You're not the only one. Yeah. Let them think you're unremarkable and prove them wrong. Let's Continue. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Stand up and fight like everybody else. It's okay to get back up and start again. Hey y Anything is possible. You're not the only one. Let them think you're unremarkable and prove them wrong. You found a way A mimic weight right off my shoulders when you escape don't hesitate in starting. [01:09:27] Speaker C: I'd like that. It wasn't as much a solo again, is it more of a. A Bridgie piece? Yeah, I liked it. [01:09:32] Speaker D: Yeah, I thought it was good. I would have liked a little more of an actual solo because he really hasn't had much since the first one. I would like to break it up a little bit and have a solo maybe somewhere in one of these songs someplace. I think he's very talented. I think his drum playing on this song is pretty good too. There was that little fill that just happened that was pretty good. [01:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, very good. Very solid. [01:09:51] Speaker D: If it was a real drum sound, to me, I think it would be much better. Yeah, we complain about it all the time. [01:09:57] Speaker C: There's people who I'm sure love it, the. The way it sounds. And they're big in that regard. It's cool. It really has to do with the snare, which just sounds odd to me. It just sounds so fake to me. I think that's ultimately what it is. It's so common. You say to yourself, everybody who has this sound bought the same exact snare that sounds the exact same way. And you know that's not it. There's no personality to it whatsoever. [01:10:24] Speaker D: Yeah, I think that bothers me too. Well, you hear his uncle has a sound. You hear Stuart Copeland from the Police has a sound. Any drumme that you really like. John Bonham. Pick somebody. They have their sound. And I think what's happening now is that everyone sounds the same. Like you said, everyone bought the same friggin drum pack. Everyone's using it because everyone thinks it sounds great. I'm not saying it sounds horrible, but after a while you're like, can we have a different drum sound? Just something anywhere. [01:10:47] Speaker C: Yeah, because then when you have that, then sometimes the song itself sounds the same to you as well. You may not find that differentiation in the song because you're like, okay, well that drum sound is just so familiar here that I feel that this band sounds like this other band, this other band. But even though it doesn't, it's just that sound that you hear that's so common and so familiar. [01:11:10] Speaker D: Yeah. Unfortunately. Verse two, your mistake. Now we're done. Stand up and fight like everybody else. It's okay to get back up and start again Chorus is the same and the bridges you found a way A mammoth weight right off your shoulders when you escape don't hesitate in starting over I think the chorus is going to pretty much be the same all the way out. Let's play it out. Here we go. [01:11:52] Speaker B: Anything is possible you're not the only one Never think that it's impossible and prove them wrong don't you know, don't you know there's so much more to live for don't you know, don't you know there's so much more to live. [01:12:38] Speaker C: That sounds like a side closer. [01:12:40] Speaker D: I guess I'll go first. I'm gonna give seven on the music. Just because the Frankenstrate is used on the solo, six on everything else, seven on the guitar. I appreciate that he doesn't overuse the equipment. But saying, hey, yeah, I'm gonna use my dad's guitar here. I'm using my dad's guitar here. I think that's great that the guitar is still being used to make music. I think that's the cool part of that. Sav, what do you think? [01:13:00] Speaker C: I'm gonna go sixes across again. Because even if there's parts that I don't like, there are parts that I do like. And he is good at arrangement and doing interesting things and doing things that add to the song without taking away. There hasn't been parts where I say to myself, myself. Well, that didn't sound right. That just came out of nowhere. Overall, he's a good songwriter. I haven't had that high moment yet in any of these songs, but at the same time, it could come later on. Putting it on and just listening to it. Straightforward and really getting the whole feel of it. [01:13:35] Speaker D: And it may not happen till later album for you. It's very possible. [01:13:39] Speaker C: It's possible. [01:13:40] Speaker D: The one thing I do say, and I said it before, is now the listening to this one side again. I think sometimes it does become a little samey same for me. Even though that's not the worst thing in the world. He's not a bad songwriter. That's not making it worse or better. It's just maybe that's just where he was at in those five years. That's the kind of song he's writing. I think some of the newer stuff feels like they're getting a little bit more of a personality, and then maybe that takes a little bit of time. It's his first record. [01:14:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:14:04] Speaker D: And then he had to hold off on releasing it for three years. [01:14:07] Speaker C: And he was in his 20s when he did this. [01:14:10] Speaker D: Well, he was born in 9130 when he released it, but he had started [01:14:14] Speaker C: it in his 20s later. [01:14:15] Speaker D: In his 20s, yeah. After the 2013 tour, he started it and they had a tour in 2015, and that was the last tour. And then obviously he kept doing it, and then his dad got sick. They held on until after everything was done, before he released it. [01:14:27] Speaker C: When did any Van Halen die? [01:14:29] Speaker D: When he was then 2020. [01:14:30] Speaker C: Okay. [01:14:31] Speaker D: And this album was released on June 11, 2021. So overall, since you've never really listened to this, what are you thinking so far? [01:14:38] Speaker C: I mean, I definitely think he's a good songwriter, especially because of the arrangements. And I think every song has at least something to hold on to. Note, song has been without some kind of merit, even though it hasn't been above the Sixes. No song has been really bad. He knows how to piece together things and add things that are interesting and that elevate the songs. I don't know what I was expecting, I'll be honest with you, because I don't remember what other song I heard from this, but I do remember it having a 90s vibe. Could have been one of the ones that we just listened to where we specifically said, yeah, this definitely has a 90s vibe to it. I obviously, the one about his father, which we won't get to until the very end. The kids got talent, without a doubt, even if these aren't whatever. But like you said, maybe to some of it does kind of run on a little bit. I've never sat here saying, oh, boy. Like, this one's really, really not good. And I mean, you now, going back to it, do you think you like it better now as much now, like you getting kind of the same feel? [01:15:40] Speaker D: I don't know. It's a very good question. I'm not sure. Do I like it more now then I would say then I liked it more than I like it now. I don't hate it. I just again, feel that it's very similar on this first side. Maybe on the second side it'll change up a little bit. It's possible. Or maybe not. I still think it's a good album. I still think he's a talented guy. He's doing the right thing, as far as I can tell. I just think he gets a lot of that he doesn't deserve just because of who he replaced in Van Halen at that time. And if you're a Van Halen fan, you know that there would have been no Van Halen for the last 14 years or whatever it was without him there, because his dad never would have done it. I mean, for God's sakes, it was almost a 20 year gap. [01:16:19] Speaker C: You've never had any animosity toward him. [01:16:22] Speaker D: Would I have liked Michael Anthony to have been in the band when I saw them? Of course it would have been the original Van Halen. I would have loved to have seen that. But I never really had any issue. I thought he did an awesome job. His background vocals were great. Anything that got Eddie Van Halen through, whatever he need to get through, I think it was good. You wouldn't have had Van Halen without him in the last bunch of years. So as much as you may not like him or think he's doing whatever, you wouldn't have had any of Van Halen at all. So you should be happy that that's happening. Because his dad wanted to go out with him. I think in a perfect world, Michael Anthony should have been the bass player. But there's a lot of animosity there too, because of, you know, him going with Sammy Hagar for all this time. And even though the band wasn't doing anything, they wanted him to sit around and wait and not do anything. Is that realistic? I don't think so, no. [01:17:03] Speaker C: You never saw them on Sammy Higo, right? [01:17:05] Speaker D: No, no, I did not. [01:17:07] Speaker C: It is funny, though, that you see David Lee Roth with Wolfgang and then we see Sammy Hagen Hagar with Michael Anthony. [01:17:14] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, that's the only time I've seen Sammy Hagar is the one we went to. I should have seen Van halen in the 90s. I don't know why that happened. [01:17:21] Speaker C: I think we can write a book about bands that we didn't see. It doesn't make any sense. [01:17:24] Speaker D: I know. It's not like I didn't have a little bit of money when Foreign Lawful Cardinal Knowledge came out. I could have went and saw that. I just didn't do it. And again, too, we also have to remember that was the time we were trying to push our music. I don't think I was really looking to go and see anybody else. That was around that time, too, 1991. We were trying to do something for ourselves. So you were more focused on that than going to see another band? [01:17:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:46] Speaker D: Focused on your thing. [01:17:46] Speaker C: If anything, we just saw more local bands than anything else. [01:17:50] Speaker D: Pretty much, yeah. You were in a scene that you were trying to do whatever scene. [01:17:54] Speaker C: Exactly. Trying to break into that scene, yeah. [01:17:57] Speaker D: All right, well, this is a cool album to get, at least for me because I haven't heard in a while. And you. Because you've never really heard it. [01:18:03] Speaker C: Yeah. And I've wanted to, so I'm glad we got this. [01:18:05] Speaker D: Yeah. I always talk to you about Mammoth. He's like, I just have never listened to it. [01:18:09] Speaker C: Damn. There's an episode coming down the line maybe where we may shock some people and what I haven't haven't heard. Yeah, I'm sure that'll be the little teaser, let's say. [01:18:20] Speaker D: Huh? People are going to be surprised what he hasn't heard. [01:18:23] Speaker C: Yeah, we may have mentioned it already, but it'll definitely come to the forefront. [01:18:27] Speaker D: Sav, why don't you do your thing? [01:18:28] Speaker C: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast Network and the Boneless Podcast Network. [01:18:33] Speaker D: Boneless, you know, like those chicken wings without the bone. [01:18:35] Speaker C: Like I say, a great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, you write, Heap, Tom Petty, Metallica, you name it, it's probably on there. So check them out. And mark, where can they find us? [01:18:46] Speaker D: On the Interweb Rock Roulette pod. On all the social media. Rock RoulettePodcast.com. do the polls, do the merch, you know what to do. Put us on your auto download and rate us a five stars. Wherever you rate your podcast that helps us out this week, we shall finish out this album. [01:19:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Glad we got this. [01:19:03] Speaker D: Yeah. I know you've been wanting to listen to this for a little bit. [01:19:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:06] Speaker D: Alrighty, guys, we'll see you next week. [01:19:08] Speaker C: Ciao, ciao. [01:19:08] Speaker D: Later. [01:19:17] Speaker B: It.