Episode 77 - King's X - Tape Head (Part 1)

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is our musical reaction, breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. Notwithstanding a Copyright owners Rights under the Copyright act, section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now on to the rock Roulette podcast. [00:00:48] Speaker B: You everybody, welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette podcast. That's right, the Crazy Ass podcast that took over 1100 records, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And typically every week we spin the wheel, she picks a record for us and we go through it side by side. If it's quick, we may be able to do it in one week every once in a while, but typically we yap too much for that. But we go through it track by track and we talk about the lyrics, the music and the production, and we rate it on a scale of ten. And again, we're just a bunch of guys who wanted to do a podcast, love music, and that's pretty much it. Just having some fun with it. So tonight we have mark. [00:01:52] Speaker C: Oh, hi Mark. [00:01:54] Speaker D: What's up, guys? [00:01:55] Speaker B: And I'm Sav. Ciao, bunase. So last week we wrapped up high infidelity by REO Speedwagon, a massive selling album, which was overall pretty good. I mean, first and foremost, we want to give a shout out to Karen for schooling us idiots on some Rem knowledge. We appreciate that. And so hopefully you will like the second episode. I do have to warn you, we didn't like the second side as much as the first. But again, I think overall, we really appreciated them as musicians and songwriters. And obviously the topic of infidelity ran through a lot of the record, and I think the songs that really dealt with it were the better ones. And a lot of that seemed to be on the first side. We did kind of criticize the production. It was a little soft for us. I mean, I think there were some songs that really would have benefited from rocking them up a little bit, but again, not too bad. And we do agree that the fact that audio Speedwagon is not in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame is another, let's say, speaking to how silly some of that stuff is. What do you say, Mark? [00:03:08] Speaker D: Overall, yeah, I agree. I found a bunch of songs I liked, even on the second side. It's not a perfect album by any stretch of the imagination. But how many albums are perfect all the way through? [00:03:20] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:03:22] Speaker D: They had two big songs on that thing, and that propelled that album to 10 million. So you can't say anything when you have a diamond selling album. So regardless, that kind of makes your whole career pretty much. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I've really found a new. But they forgot. [00:03:39] Speaker D: Yeah. And they've had other stuff after that. Right. That's been that. Bigger hits. Yeah. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Keep the fire burning can't fight this so they definitely weren't not a one hit wonder by any stretch. [00:03:53] Speaker D: And Karen from one of the reo groups does know stuff. I don't know. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Exactly. Thank you for listening anyway. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Like I said, we appreciate it, man. And listen to Minsteady. Not waver a little bit here and there, but overall, I think we're catching on a bit. So we really appreciate anybody who's listening. And if we light a fire under you and you want to comment, please school us whatever you want. Just reach out to us. Obviously, Mark replies right away, as you can tell. So thanks again. [00:04:30] Speaker D: We appreciate it by listening to know yapping on things we know nothing about. But again, that's the nature of the beast. We don't always have people we or, or know very, like, obviously we know Ario Speedwagon, but we don't know the intricacies of that. [00:04:46] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:04:46] Speaker D: The band members and whatever news and stuff, we don't really know that. We probably know them from the big hits. And evidenced by this record. We know the big hits, but there was like a song on the first side. What was it called again? I forget the name of it. [00:05:01] Speaker B: The one we bashed, the production. [00:05:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Follow your heart, I think it was. [00:05:07] Speaker D: Yeah, I liked it a lot. [00:05:09] Speaker B: That was really good. [00:05:11] Speaker D: And like you said, as a guitar player, I like him a lot, too. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he impressed me. I never really paid attention. I mean, I knew the solo from keep on loving you, and I've always liked it just because it kind of comes on loud, but again, well balanced. I was like, oh, this is cool. I like the way they did this. [00:05:32] Speaker D: Production was a little rockier. [00:05:35] Speaker B: How many new songs? [00:05:36] Speaker D: That's the AOR style, though. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. That was. [00:05:43] Speaker D: What it is. [00:05:44] Speaker B: How many new we've learned on this. [00:05:46] Speaker D: Broadcast onto new stuff. We get to spin the wheel again today. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Yes, we do. [00:05:53] Speaker D: I don't know if I'm even going to try to guess what the wheel is going to do because it seems to be having a weird mind of its own. It seems to be on a roll, so giving us stuff that we don't know. [00:06:07] Speaker B: I think she's going to pull something really weird out today. [00:06:10] Speaker D: You think so? I think she's going to pull something we know that's going to be. [00:06:15] Speaker B: I was like 50 50. Something big or something really wackadoo. [00:06:21] Speaker D: There are some weird stuff on there, so who knows? [00:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:25] Speaker D: So are you ready to do this? [00:06:27] Speaker B: I'm ready. Let's do this. [00:06:28] Speaker D: Can you see the wheel? [00:06:30] Speaker B: I can see the wheel. [00:06:32] Speaker D: Okay, so here we go. [00:06:55] Speaker B: King's x tape head. [00:06:57] Speaker D: You know what's funny about that, though? I was just listening to King's x just came on, like my shuffle thing out of the blue this week. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:07:06] Speaker D: And I was like, we're never going to get King's x. I mean, I heard a couple of things from. And here's King's x. This is not even like something that, like, we're playing shenanigans. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I've never really been a king sex fan, honestly speaking. [00:07:28] Speaker D: I've heard a couple of things from them and the stuff I've heard, I liked at least the stuff that's. But again, now this is. Again, we're 100% saying that we're hits guys with this, right? Pretty much, yeah. [00:07:42] Speaker B: And by hits, I'm talking like two songs. [00:07:45] Speaker D: That's what I mean. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Pretty much, yeah. Really? But they got a massive following. [00:07:51] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. 7th album, 1998, Ty Tabore. I've always heard about him. As far as guitar players go, I like the stuff that I've heard from him. And Doug Pinick is the bass player, Jerry Gaskill is the drummer. I don't know very much about him. [00:08:14] Speaker B: I don't really know much either. [00:08:17] Speaker D: But I think there's still the same three guys, right? Even I think they're still doing some stuff. [00:08:24] Speaker B: We better look that up because if we post to the groups, people are like, you idiots again to get the shit wrong. [00:08:29] Speaker D: You guys know nothing about nothing. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Honestly, man, have you heard of we. [00:08:33] Speaker D: Really know nothing about King's acts? I remember them being around back in the day and I've always heard their name. And as far as guitar playing circles, Ty Tabor has always come up as a really good guitar player. But I don't even know anything about this record. And this is obviously seven records in. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Prague would say prague rock, I guess. Prague pump. [00:09:03] Speaker D: I don't know. I mean, there's rock in there, so. [00:09:07] Speaker B: I don't know oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:09:10] Speaker D: I don't know. Are they considered Prague? I don't know. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Could be. They're listed as hard rock as far as a Wikipedia genre, so maybe not again. I just remember everybody's always bragging about them, but I just never really latched on to them or really listened to them. So I'm super curious. There's a few songs and they all seem pretty short. [00:09:35] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know where this is in their career of their style and stuff, but I can say that. What was the record that I heard? I think it was the bigger one. [00:09:51] Speaker B: I know Gretchen goes to Nebraska. [00:09:54] Speaker D: Yes. That was 89, so 90 was faith, hope, love. And I think I've heard a couple of things. It's love is the big song from that. And that's the one that just popped up on my thing. And it was just so funny. It's like, we're never going to get King's x. This is never going to happen. It's on the list. I said, but we're never going to get this. [00:10:12] Speaker B: You know what's funny? I don't remember that song. But I do remember the we are finding who we are. I remember that one. Dog man, that was a hit. [00:10:21] Speaker D: Yeah, well, like I said, I remember back in the day, people really liking them. I just know nothing about this record and where this is. As far as their band style or where this is going to be. [00:10:42] Speaker B: Man, I'm curious. Curiosity is peaked. [00:10:47] Speaker D: There was a video made for the song fade, and there was a controversial, unreleased track, quality control. It's included on the album, but has been retitled Happy. The lyrics are different, including the lack of profanity. I'm curious to hear this. I'm so curious. [00:11:07] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. [00:11:09] Speaker D: So it looks like they record this all themselves. There's no producer production. Mixed and mastered at alien beans by Ty Tabor. [00:11:21] Speaker B: There you go. [00:11:22] Speaker D: So there's no producer on this at all. And they were on Metal Blade, which is so funny. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [00:11:31] Speaker D: I just have no idea. And there's a live track at the end of this thing on side, too. [00:11:37] Speaker B: It's a weird cover. Looks like the gimp from Pulp Fiction. [00:11:42] Speaker D: Yeah, supposedly that's Doug Pinnock's head wrapped in recording tape. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Nice. That makes sense. [00:11:49] Speaker D: This makes sense. So side a has six songs. So let's mean the songs don't seem too long, but I don't know if we can do. I doubt we could do this whole thing in one shot. There's not enough short songs for that to happen. I don't think so. I'm super excited about this. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm super curious. It's definitely a band. I'm glad that came up. [00:12:14] Speaker D: Yeah. Because this might not be something I would listen to on my own. [00:12:19] Speaker B: I mean, eventually I may get around to it because I've always been curious about them because, again, everybody speaks about them, and I've never been crazy about the stuff that I've heard. But again, you're talking maybe a handful of songs. [00:12:33] Speaker D: Yeah, me, too. Me, too. But it's kind of like, if I haven't listened to them in, like, 30 years, am I really going to go and do that? You know what I'm trying to say? Everybody say, oh, yeah, eventually I'm going to get to them sooner or later. Okay. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah, eventually. What is that going to be, exactly? [00:12:49] Speaker D: All right, cool. So let me just pull some lyrics up and then we can start. Did you know anyone who listened to them back in the day? [00:13:00] Speaker B: Yeah, my cousin listened to them. A former guitar player that we played with really liked them. So they were on the radar. [00:13:12] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, no, I've always heard of them. Always heard the guitar player and the bass player. The drummer, not so much. It's just one of those things that I hear lots of stuff about. All right, so the first song is called groove machine. [00:13:34] Speaker B: Cool. [00:14:06] Speaker D: I always thought this sneaking feeling and when I would hear their name that it'd be something I would like, but I never really had the time to delve into this. Yeah, so far, I like that a lot. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a really good riff. The drums are a little in the back, I feel. [00:14:23] Speaker D: Yeah, a little bit. Who knows how obviously the guitar plays mixing this. So his guitars are nice up in front. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:32] Speaker D: I don't know if that is the one. What's the reason why? But I like the drumming itself, though. [00:14:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, no, the whole song is good. It's definitely groovy. It's got a nice groove to it. [00:14:43] Speaker D: I like it. All right, well, let's see what they do. [00:14:50] Speaker C: All right, here we go. Lay down your burden by the riverside take a deep breath and go for a ride welcome to the group. Welcome to bedroom. Welcome to the group. My dream. Welcome to the room. [00:15:38] Speaker D: Now, I know, I'm pretty positive that's the bass player, Doug Pinnock, singing. I know Ty tabor sings some stuff, too. I mean, they all sing. They're all listed as vocals. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah, but I remember that, too, though, in hearing them, that double singing. [00:15:58] Speaker D: Yeah, it's very. [00:15:59] Speaker B: I know. [00:15:59] Speaker D: That's Alison chains. Yeah, I'm not saying they're copying them by any. I'm just saying that that's when you have two people singing like that. I like this so far. I would not turn this off if it came on. [00:16:14] Speaker B: No. It's got a really nice groove to it. It's heavy. It's simple, but it's good. You know what I mean? It's just a good riff. [00:16:22] Speaker D: And I have a feeling that his lyrics you're going to like. Because I don't think he writes fluffy lyrics, from what I remember. So the verse. Well, verse, it's very short. Lay down your burdens by the riverside take a deep breath and go for a ride welcome to the groove machine welcome to the groove welcome to the groove machine welcome to the groove there you go. I'm not too sure what the groove machine is. There's not a lot of lyrics in here at all. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:54] Speaker D: But as far as, like. I mean, the melody is not bad. And I like the riff, the sound. It's something I could listen to. I mean, if the rest of record is going to kind of, like, be like this, I'm going to be a happy person, I think. All right, let's continue. [00:17:24] Speaker C: Musical music. Such a fungate thing. You up. The closer you get, the deeper it means. [00:17:42] Speaker D: That was a nifty trump. [00:17:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I liked it better in this verse than in the first one. It was a little. Yeah, he did a little kind of weird thing. But I liked it better here than in the first. [00:18:01] Speaker D: I like. I like the guitar has that univibe, like, swirly thing going on. That kind of, like, too, very Hendricksy thing. Robin Trowery thing to. I like. I don't know if he's doubling his vocals or is it both of them together? It may be both of them mean to me. [00:18:24] Speaker B: It sounds like two different people singing. [00:18:26] Speaker D: Yeah. Which makes sense. Okay. I'm liking it so far. This is a good start for me. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Me, too. [00:18:37] Speaker D: Here we go. [00:18:41] Speaker C: Welcome to the group machine. Welcome to the room. Welcome to the room welcome to the room. [00:19:47] Speaker D: That's pretty damn good. [00:19:48] Speaker B: That was a good solo. I wish it was a little bit higher in the mix, though. Just a little bit. But it never reminded me of Alice in chains, though. If you listen to, like, dirt, sometimes the solo is a little bit lower in the mix. [00:20:03] Speaker D: Yeah, lower in the mix. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Really good. [00:20:08] Speaker D: It's really good. [00:20:12] Speaker B: Was that just wawa at the end of the soul? [00:20:15] Speaker D: See, again, we said this before, good wawa and bad wawa. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it was at the end, and that was really good. [00:20:25] Speaker D: And that little drum break thing was pretty cool, too. [00:20:30] Speaker B: Just gone back in the verse, but they didn't. Or the chorus just went to that little percussion thing. [00:20:37] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, there's really not a lot of lyrics. I'm going to read that second verse, I guess. Second verse. Music or music. Such a funky thing. The closer you get, the deeper it means. I like that too. Yeah. I don't know what the rest of it's going to be like, but I like this a lot. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:54] Speaker D: See, things like this that I would have listened, 100% listened to if I would have been smart enough to maybe listen to them, but obviously not. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, again, like I was saying, how many new songs do you think we've learned doing this podcast? How many songs have we heard that we never heard before? I know from bands that we know. [00:21:17] Speaker D: Yeah, that's even worse. I mean, at least this one. I know a couple of songs from them maybe, and that's about it. But this is 98. I know they were still big in like 94, right? I don't know where they were here. [00:21:36] Speaker B: Like I said, I heard a couple of things. [00:21:38] Speaker D: I think dog man is 94, right? [00:21:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I wasn't crazy about the stuff that I'd heard, so I wasn't really jumping at the bit to listen to them. [00:21:51] Speaker D: What is going to be the single? And maybe the stuff that's not the single is the stuff you like. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I can't say that I ever give him a fair chance, though. [00:22:02] Speaker D: Me neither. Again. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:04] Speaker D: Heard of Ty Tabor, guitar player, magazines, all that. [00:22:07] Speaker B: I've heard of Pinnock for sure. [00:22:09] Speaker D: And Pinnock I've heard of too. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker D: It'S just one of those things like, you know, all these people, you've heard this before, but we haven't listened to any of their music, which is kind of funny because maybe the stuff that was presented on the radio is not something we would have listened to. [00:22:24] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:22:27] Speaker D: All right, let's finish it up. [00:22:31] Speaker C: Jesus, welcome to bedroom. Welcome to the group machine. Welcome to the. Welcome to the jesus. Welcome to. [00:23:18] Speaker D: Groove machine. I like it. [00:23:21] Speaker B: It's a good intro. [00:23:22] Speaker D: Yeah. Why don't you go first? [00:23:27] Speaker B: I mean, lyrically, I don't know. All right, so I'm going to say I'm going to go low on the lyrics because I'm pretty sure there's going to be better coming. And just because they're not really saying much, so I'm going to say five. And again, it's not because of the two, again, literally, there's 41234 lines other than what he's saying. But this, again, is in lieu of expecting better things to come. Music. I'm going to say an eight. I mean, it was really good. Again, it was groovy, which I always really like. And it was interesting. I was never bored. The solo was great. Production. I'm going to say a seven. The reason I say a seven is because, again, the drum started off a little bit and then I think they got a little bit better. And I wanted the solo just a little bit higher in the mix. But I think, again, there's better stuff to come in terms of those ratings. I hope. I hope it doesn't all go downhill from here. What do you think? [00:24:41] Speaker D: Don't jinx it. No, I don't think so. Yeah. I'm going to say six for the lyrics. There wasn't a lot of them, but what was there I liked. It's definitely not fluff to me. And I think you're right. There's going to be better coming. That's my opinion. Yes. Eight on the music. I like the music a lot. Like the guitar sound. I like the guitar playing. I like the drumming. I didn't hear as much bass as I thought I was going to hear, but obviously they're all talented and the song is really. Right. Really groovy. I like it. [00:25:16] Speaker B: Really good start. [00:25:17] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm hoping that the rest of it ends up the same way. Yeah. There's more words in the second one, so you should be much better with that. Okay, so the next song is called fade. Here we go. [00:25:46] Speaker C: One day I'll get older you it will be over I wanna live a long life like there is no next time I heard a million stories next story. I know. Whatever. Make it all just. [00:26:50] Speaker D: You think of that. [00:26:52] Speaker B: That was very stp ish. I mean, I was actually looking to see if what's his name sang in the chorus. [00:27:00] Speaker D: Scott Wiley. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I really. [00:27:06] Speaker D: I like the heaviness of it. I kind of like the melody. And then I like that part. I guess that's pre chorus, I guess. I don't know what you would call it. I guess pre chorus where the vocal was going across and he was singing something over on top of it. I liked a lot. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I really like that part. I think the verse is a little dry. I would like a little bit more infinite, but I really like that. Like you said, I guess pre chorus, before the chorus, which is technically just, what, two words? The same word. It's interesting. [00:27:44] Speaker D: Yeah. I like it. It's heavy, but like you said, it's heavy, but it has, like, that poppy thing going on, too. Besides, I'm always a sucker for melodic stuff within heavier things or rockier things. You know what I mean? I like my rock to have some melody. When it doesn't have melody, it loses me. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah, and it's good when people do interesting stuff with the vocals, too, right? I mean, that's what's going on. That's what really drew me in, because I heard a little of that scp kind of thing that he does because he was always pretty good with doing stuff like that. The production, the verse and that fade, I want a little bit more behind it. That's the only thing that is kind of in me right now. But, I mean, I still like the song, though, so far. [00:28:35] Speaker D: Yeah, well, listen, this is self produced, so sometimes you need that outside person. Sometimes help you out with that a little bit. I mean, it's not horrible. I've heard way worse self produced things than that. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Well, we've heard way worse from outside producers. [00:28:51] Speaker D: This is very true. All right, so lyrics are one day I'll get older then it will be over want to live a long life like there is no next time so then the part that is singing over in the background is who knows how long after today? Then he's singing on top. I've heard a million stories, some self explanatory when the words fade into gray. And then the part in the back is life is too short to fade away. And then he's saying on top, take from the final pages. Whatever is contagious they make it all just fade away fade, fade. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, already better than the first one they replay, right? [00:29:38] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, it's actually birds. [00:29:40] Speaker B: Yeah. There's more than four lines. [00:29:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay, so back it up a little bit so we can go into the second verse. Here we go. [00:29:51] Speaker C: Each day I get older get a little colder I don't need to fit in like I did way back then I feel your stories sometimes they take from the final page. Whatever. [00:31:09] Speaker D: Think about that. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Good. [00:31:11] Speaker D: Yeah, I liked it. [00:31:12] Speaker B: That was a good solo, too. [00:31:14] Speaker D: Yeah, it was the first one. [00:31:17] Speaker B: No, fit the song. I mean, it's. It's. It's good. I mean, I can picture listening to this again as well. I really like that. Call it pre chorus. I mean, that verse has that. The stopping thing that we've heard so many times. But I like the second part of the riff of the verse when it gets. It's like that a little bit heavier. [00:31:42] Speaker D: Yeah. And then they kind of, like, sing together. I kind of like that, too. [00:31:46] Speaker B: It's interesting together. [00:31:48] Speaker D: Well, I like Alison chains, so I would like this because it's very similar stylistic. [00:31:55] Speaker B: I hear tones of them in this, too, even in the music. And when did this come out? 98. [00:32:03] Speaker D: 98? [00:32:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, this is very 90s, which isn't a bad thing. [00:32:09] Speaker D: Which is a good thing, personally. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not a bad thing, but it's definitely of the era. And of course, again, not that there's anything wrong with the era, because there's a lot of good stuff that came out in the 90s. [00:32:22] Speaker D: All right. So the only thing that's going to change is the verse. Everything else is the same each day. I get older, get a little colder. I don't need to fit in like I did way back then. It's basically the same stuff over and over now. Yeah. I'm liking his drumming, too. I never really paid attention, but it's just busy enough. I'm always a little bit of a sucker for a little bit of a busier drummer. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I like the groovy. Again, I like busy and I like groovy. And these are two songs. Both have groove in them. [00:33:01] Speaker D: Yeah. So far, is this radio hit music? I guess it's 90s radio hit music. Radio music. Damn, not today by back then. [00:33:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I guess it could have been played. Yeah. [00:33:20] Speaker D: I don't know if they ever got the push. I think they got the push around 90, 93, 94. One dog man came out and the other one came out. They got a little bit of a hump there. But these guys were never on the level of some of the other bands at the time. [00:33:35] Speaker B: No. By name only, really. [00:33:37] Speaker D: Just kind of by name only. [00:33:39] Speaker B: It was like word of mouth. Yeah. [00:33:41] Speaker D: And it was a lot of musicians that liked it, and you can see why. All right, let's continue. Oh, and by the way, you know what? This just reminds me of a little bit of mammoth WvH. A little bit. He does stuff like this. Oh, yeah, he does stuff like this. Like that pre chorus thing that's just happening right now that just came into my head, like, yeah, he does stuff similar. [00:34:10] Speaker B: And it's funny because. So they've done this twice, right, where they've kind of gone into the chorus. I actually liked how they went into the chorus this time. It made it more interesting than when they went into it when it was supposed to be there, if that makes any sense. I liked it following me. Yeah, I liked it coming out of the solo. I felt like a different part. Even though it's just a chorus, I think it's because it sounds more interesting coming out of the solo than the pre chorus. Just because of pre chorus. There's so much going on. I like it better after the solo. [00:34:49] Speaker D: I like the pre chorus a lot. [00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really good. [00:34:57] Speaker C: I heard a million stories, but then the word fade into take on the final pages. Whatever. [00:35:26] Speaker D: Sauce coming. Yeah, I really like it. [00:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a good song. [00:35:48] Speaker D: See, it's so crappy that I've never listened to this. I missed this all of the time. If it continues as good as this, I'll be pissed off at myself that I didn't listen to this. [00:35:58] Speaker B: Well, that's what this is all about, right? [00:36:00] Speaker D: It has all the stuff that I like. It has melody in it, and I like the riffs. The riffs are good. Guitar playing. His guitar sound is really good. Sometimes. I like guitar sound, but I like his guitar sound. What do you think of the drum sound? [00:36:16] Speaker B: I like it. Like I said, I wish it's a little dry for me, it's a little bit of reverb. [00:36:23] Speaker D: A little bit? [00:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the way the drums sound. It's the production on the drums that I wish was a little bit bigger and not big. It doesn't have to be the loudest thing because even the solo I said was a little bit back in the mix, even this time. But it's a style and it's fine. I mean, you can hear it. Like I said, just a little dry. But the actual drumming and the drum sound I like. [00:36:51] Speaker D: Well, the 90s had a lot of dry stuff, though, too. There's a lot to dry. I mean, after the 80s stuff being so super duper wet, I think people just went so far in the other direction that there could have been a happy medium somewhere in the middle. But no one really went in that medium. They all went really the opposite way. Like, oh, you'd like that stuff. Had all this reverb and gated reverbs and reverse whatever on it. We're not going to do that. We're just going to make dry drums. [00:37:16] Speaker B: Yeah, but to me, it just makes the song heavier again. They don't have to sound manufactured, you know what I mean? But we'll see. Do you want to go first? [00:37:32] Speaker D: Yeah. It's a fairly heavy song music wise, but has such a poppy vocal style. I think these lyrics are better than the last one. I don't know what's coming up, so I'm going to be a little conservative. I'm going to say seven. I like them. I like that pre chorus a lot, a lot, a lot. I probably could go higher on that. I may change it later after I hear what else is going on, but right now I do like it a lot. Musicianship. I'm going to give an eight again, I like everything about that. I like the riff, I like the drums, I like the bass, I like the solo. I like everything. And I'm going to say seven on, stay on, seven on the production. I think it's the same. I don't think it's any different. What about you? [00:38:28] Speaker B: I think I'm going to say the same. Seven on the lyrics. I think they were definitely better than the first one. Yeah. Eight on the music again, I mean, I like the way it's written. I mean, again, a couple of criticisms, but not enough to not like the song. And, yeah, I'll say seven on, on the protection again, because again, I mean, I wish certain things, but it isn't bad. [00:38:53] Speaker D: Oh, no, this is not 100% mainstream, but it's not, like, out of the mainstream for the all. Sometimes you're like, why isn't this thing bigger? Even in the late 90s, this would still be really good. But maybe they just didn't get the push. They're on metal blade. I don't know how much of a push they could give you back then, so who knows? All right, I'm hoping this all continues. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:25] Speaker D: So the next song is called over and over. Here we go. Before we go, did I want to listen to that again? That thing that started weird, right? [00:39:51] Speaker B: It actually reminds me like a danzig ballad. [00:39:54] Speaker D: No, but not. But with the way it started. Like, the bass just came there and then all of a sudden it changed. I want to hear that again because I wasn't messing that up. [00:40:22] Speaker C: I. You. I don't mean to. Please forgive me. God, no excuse. Over again. Over and over and over again. I let you down. [00:41:12] Speaker D: I'm not too sure yet. [00:41:15] Speaker B: I like it. [00:41:17] Speaker D: No, I'm just. I'm. I'm trying to get my head around. I like that chorus a lot. Like, I wasn't expecting that, but it's kind of funny. [00:41:24] Speaker B: It kind of went to catchy because I felt that the verse was pretty, for lack of a better word. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:32] Speaker D: I don't know. Is he really a balance singer, though, is the question. But I can say, though, I've noticed a style, if you listen to the last three things, like, he has a style in the verses, it's always like a four line thing. Except the first one was only two lines, but I think if you broke it up, it's four lines. It's just very similar. But I like the interplay in the vocal on the chorus. [00:42:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Honestly. And I think the production is better on this one. Overall. [00:42:04] Speaker D: Yeah, a little bit. And the drums are a little different, too. Like, I wasn't expecting. So busy. [00:42:09] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. They're not as dry, and I like it. [00:42:14] Speaker D: All right, good. Here we go. I'm going to pack it up. [00:42:24] Speaker C: I will hurt you it what I do. Please forgive me. You don't have to. Over and over again I let you down. [00:43:16] Speaker D: Before the solo goes, I should read lyrics, I guess so. The first verse is, if I hurt you I don't mean to please forgive me got no excuse then over and over again, and then I guess that's Ty tabor over and over again, and then they go over and over together, which, I mean, I'm just being super picky here. In my head, what I hear is that over and over again, happening one more time. That's what I expect. Like, the first part, the way it does it. I expected it again, but it doesn't. I mean, maybe they did that on purpose. They didn't want to do that again. I think I would like it better if it was again. It's not bad. But I think in my head, I'm hearing that, like, if I was writing that and we wrote that first part, I said, no, we got to do that part again before we get to the I let you down part. That makes sense. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I hear it. [00:44:14] Speaker D: That's what I just hear in my head when it comes across. But it's not bad, though. [00:44:18] Speaker B: No. [00:44:19] Speaker D: I guess we call this a ballad, I guess. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty ballady, I would think. [00:44:26] Speaker D: Okay. [00:44:27] Speaker B: I mean, even the materials, the drums. [00:44:29] Speaker D: Are just so not ballady, though. [00:44:32] Speaker B: No, I mean, I don't think it's meant to be, quote unquote, you know what I mean? A ballad. [00:44:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:44:42] Speaker B: But I do like the drums better in this song. I think they're produced better. Yeah, absolutely. [00:44:48] Speaker D: So the second verse is, I will hurt you. It's what I do. Please forgive me. You don't have to. And again, like, in the choruses and stuff, whenever they're doubling their voices, you can definitely tell difference in the voices. So I kind of like that a lot. I think it's similar to stone temple pilots. Right. And that's not. I mean, Alison James, where you know, that vocal style because of the two people singing together. [00:45:14] Speaker B: Yeah. It makes it more interesting. [00:45:16] Speaker D: Oh, it does? [00:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:16] Speaker D: If it was just him by himself, I don't think it would be as interesting. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the way they do it. It's not something formulaic. Right. It's thought. [00:45:26] Speaker D: No, they got their own style. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:28] Speaker D: Well, maybe that's why. Maybe they weren't bigger. Because they wasn't as formulaic as some of the other stuff. But they have a good sense of. Especially the choruses. Like, the choruses are super duper poppy. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I see. But that's what I think to myself now. Right. Because. I don't know, the other stuff. Is it different to the point where maybe this is more simplistic and maybe the other stuff wasn't as. And that's why I kind of was thinking Prague pop. Because obviously there is a pop sensibility here. [00:45:56] Speaker D: Of course. [00:45:57] Speaker B: But I was thinking of maybe they had more complicated music. Again, this is just based on musicians liking it and maybe assuming and just not knowing a lot about them where I didn't think they would have straightforward songs. But even this one kind of has that little off tempo thing, which I like because he follows it with the vocal. [00:46:17] Speaker D: No, it's good. And I'm expecting another good solo from him coming up, so I'm just back it up a little bit. I'm pretty positive so far. He hasn't let me down. [00:46:26] Speaker B: No, definitely not. [00:46:28] Speaker C: I let you download. [00:47:08] Speaker D: Yes. Not disappointed. It's good. [00:47:10] Speaker B: No, he's very smooth. [00:47:14] Speaker D: Yeah, his no choices are very good, too. Yeah, but he doesn't sound like anybody else, though, which is kind of like one of the things I like. I don't think you would misplace him for somebody else. [00:47:30] Speaker B: I just really like, again, how smooth he is. Just his choice of notes. And even when he kind of goes, he does a little like an off time kind of step. But still the transition is just so smooth. Or he'll kind of throw some. A little effect on it or whatever and. Yeah, really good. [00:47:46] Speaker D: That's why guitar plays like Tim for. Yeah, I can see why. Yeah, I like it. Here we go. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Yeah, over and over again, over again, over and over again. Close. Let you download. [00:48:43] Speaker D: The alarm, too. I wish that was a little bit longer, though. I think you can for a little bit longer. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Yeah. They're very quick, though, right? There's not a lot of extra. [00:48:58] Speaker D: They're all like. 342-32-4323 yeah. Only when you get on side two, I guess it lives a little longer, but not much. I mean, it's a couple of five minute song. One five minute song. Four minute song is a four minute song coming up in a couple. Why don't you go first? [00:49:17] Speaker B: I would say save it on the lyrics again. I mean, not overly complex, but I like the sentiment of it. Music. I'm going to say an eight again. I think it was really good. It's very catchy and very ballady. Cool. Like very, I guess, 90s ballady. Kind of noisy, which is cool. And I'm going to say an eight on production on this one. I definitely think it's better produced than the other two. I like it. Three for three so far, for me. So what do you think? [00:49:49] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm going to give it the same seven. Eight. Eight. Yeah. I think the production is a little bit better in this one. I like the drums. The drum beat is just, to me, is what makes this thing a little different. Just because you would expect something different from this. Right. But it's not. You expect more of a stock drum pattern, but it's not really that way. [00:50:12] Speaker B: No. [00:50:13] Speaker D: Which I kind of like and changes it up. They definitely have their style. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Sounded really good in this song. [00:50:23] Speaker D: They 100% have their style. So I'm super happy with this so far. [00:50:28] Speaker B: Yeah, me, too. [00:50:31] Speaker D: I think they can continue this on all through the whole thing. [00:50:35] Speaker B: It'd be great. [00:50:37] Speaker D: Awesome. [00:50:39] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:50:41] Speaker D: So the next one is called ono on o. I don't know if it's pronounced Ono or ono, I guess, until we get into this. I don't know. But, yeah, there's a little more lyrics in this, too. All right, here we go. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Have you ever chosen to ignore the warning sign? Give them a fear doubt just ease your mind have you ever turned your head when someone's doing someone wrong every day is a new surprise oh, no oh, no some things remain the same some people never change oh, no I. [00:52:08] Speaker D: Like that riff at the end of that. Yeah, riff is really good. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. [00:52:13] Speaker D: And so he's doing, oh, no, not oh, no, like Yoko. Yeah, it's oh, no. I mean, I like the little effecty thing at the beginning, and I like that. Then he plays the same thing heavier again. That's something I would do. I hear those things and go, oh, yeah, I can hear me doing that. That'd be something I would do. [00:52:36] Speaker B: And the chorus is super catchy. [00:52:39] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, their choruses are really catchy. They're so poppy. [00:52:42] Speaker B: You can write a hook. [00:52:44] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. No doubt. They're using the 90s, like megaphone or telephone sound, which I don't hate. [00:52:55] Speaker B: No, I always like that. That beginning riff sounds familiar. I don't know if I hear it again. Maybe. [00:53:06] Speaker D: Well, here are lyrics. Have you ever chosen to ignore the warning sign give the benefit of a doubt just to ease your mind? Have you ever turned your head with someone else? Have you ever turned your head when someone's doing someone wrong every day is a new surprise oh, no some things remain the same some people never change oh, no that was pretty decent lyrics. I'm going to back it up a little bit so we can hear the riff again so maybe you could figure out what you're trying to hear there. [00:53:42] Speaker C: Have you ever been a victim lying to protect someone and you positive they done you wrong? Have you ever known someone who controls with bright and tears every day is a new surprise oh, no oh, no something remain the same some people never take oh, no. [00:55:08] Speaker D: Love you I wasn't expecting the solo rhythm to be like that. I expected it to get faster, but it didn't. [00:55:21] Speaker B: At the beginning of the solo, the heavier part sounded a bit off to me. I just felt like the music underneath the beginning was really cool. But then they kind of went into this other thing and I felt the key wasn't following it. I don't know, it was a little dissonant to me, but then I like when it. When it quieted down and then it kind of got on the right path for me. It started out really cool, then they kind of did this thing. I mean, to me personally, it was a little dissonant, and then it kind of got okay. [00:55:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I was expecting it to be different. I expected it would started slow and then was going to come back up to maybe that riff that they were using at the end of the chorus, which I like a lot. I was thought that maybe we'll do that, but they didn't, which kind of threw me off. I was like, wait a second. So they're not going to ramp this up? They're going to leave it like this? Okay. I don't think it's a bad choice. I don't know if I would have done that, but I kind of like it, though. Whatever I expected to happen didn't happen. [00:56:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:25] Speaker D: So the second verse is, have you ever been the victim lying to protect someone and you're positive they've done you wrong? Have you ever known someone who controls with bribes and tears every day is a new surprise there's even more lyrics coming up. There's a lot of lyrics in this link, man. Yeah. I like the solo, though. I think he did a great. [00:56:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:53] Speaker D: And the bass has, like, a little bit of. A little bit of dirt on it too, if I notice. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not prominent, though, right? I was actually trying to listen for it. [00:57:03] Speaker D: Yeah. It's not as up in front as you would think it would be. [00:57:06] Speaker B: No, not at all. [00:57:11] Speaker D: Listen, they're mixing this themselves, so who knows what they're thinking? They do whatever they want again, we've heard way worse. [00:57:19] Speaker B: Yeah, and plus, once you got that kind of bassy distortion on the guitar, too. Right. It almost acts a little bit bassy in of itself, so you don't miss it as much. [00:57:34] Speaker D: Yeah, the frequencies, they're kind of overlapping a little bit. His sounds a little bit bassy too. Yeah, but I like it. Again, I have no issues with any of his playing, his sound, anything. I just think it's really good. [00:57:46] Speaker B: Not at all. [00:57:48] Speaker D: All right, let's continue. [00:57:49] Speaker C: Someone who builds you up to let you down since in holiday sugar coated promises and as you do everybody else and what? No. [00:58:12] Speaker D: So I'll reach you that part before we get to the end of this. Have you ever known someone who builds you up to let you down sincere apologies sugar coated promises as usual it's everyone else's fault oh, no. That riff at the end of that is my favorite part of this whole song. That's very stone double piloted. Maybe that's why I like it. [00:58:35] Speaker B: I like, too that it was a little bit more. He didn't sing it the same way. He did it like the same tone. Right. [00:58:44] Speaker D: It was a little more emotion in that. If that sounded, like, a little more into it. [00:58:48] Speaker B: My only critique of that part was if he was going to do it that way, don't use that megaphone voice. Kind of let it be natural. [00:58:56] Speaker D: Yeah, I could see that. [00:58:57] Speaker B: That would be my only critique because I really like the way he sang that. [00:59:04] Speaker D: Well, again, maybe that somewhere, maybe a producer might have helped him with that a little bit. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:59:11] Speaker D: Who knows? Or maybe it could have made it worse. Spencer, the producer, he's like, listen, let's. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Just leave the zombie effect. It's just easier than switching. [00:59:18] Speaker D: Yeah, probably. Let's continue. [00:59:25] Speaker C: Oh, no. Some things remain that same. Some people never change. All o it. [01:00:17] Speaker B: They gave you a whole bunch of that at the end. [01:00:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know if I'd liked as many. Oh, nose. As they put at the end. I think it could have been less and stop again. [01:00:26] Speaker B: That's what I don't like, the way that ended. I think they should have done like a damn. You know what I mean? Like something like that. [01:00:32] Speaker D: Yeah, but there's a lot of oh, no's. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:38] Speaker D: Okay, I guess I'll go first. I guess. I think the lyrics are good. Are they better than the other ones? I don't know. I don't know if I should give them an eight or not. I mean, there's a lot more of them. [01:00:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:03] Speaker D: I don't know. I'm still going to give them a seven, even though I probably could go eight if I want to. I'm still saying eight on the music because the music's great. Production. I don't know if it's better than the last one. I think I'm going to go back to. I don't know. I like the guitar sound left now. I'm going to go seven. I think I like the production on the other one better, but it's by no means a bad song at all. No, I like it a lot. Go ahead. [01:01:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm going to say an eight on the lyrics. I mean, I like the vibe of it and what he's trying to say and the way he says it. Yeah, I'm going to say an eight on the music. Again. The more it went on, the more and more I liked it. So production, it's a little bit hard. You know what? I had an eight in my head, so I'm going to say an eight. I could give it a seven. Some of it was a little bit dry. And like I said, if he had gone to that non megaphone voice at the end. But when they're self producing, you wonder if you count that as their production choice or just the way they want it to sound, the writing choice of it. But, yeah, I mean, overall, another really good song, though. [01:02:22] Speaker D: Yeah. I think I'm going to change my lyrics to eight. I was thinking about eight. And that riff that they use at the end, that they use at the end of the chorus. That's my favorite part of the song. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that. Burn. [01:02:36] Speaker C: Burn. [01:02:41] Speaker D: All right, they're on a roll here, I got to say. [01:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:47] Speaker D: For this being their 7th record. [01:02:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:52] Speaker D: All right, so the next song is Cupid. They like one word things. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:02:59] Speaker D: Cupid seed. Here we go. Before we get into that, that beginning part, to me, sounded really hendrixy. Did it sound like Hendricksy to you at the beginning? Like stuff that he would do? Yeah, like on some of the. More of the track stuff and not, like, the hit song things. [01:04:20] Speaker B: I can hear again. I feel like I could hear Scott in there, too. [01:04:26] Speaker D: Yeah. It's very possible they could have a little bit of influence of some mean. I think they were around a long time, though, right? [01:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah, they've been around for a while, but again, I don't think all their stuff sounds like this. So, I mean, you and I can be, like, grooving on this. And then some of their friends be like, no, man, this shit sucks. You got to hear the old stuff. [01:04:49] Speaker D: They were formed in 1979. [01:04:52] Speaker B: My God. Nice. [01:04:54] Speaker D: And their current name, they had it in 85, so they've been around a long time. [01:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:08] Speaker D: I'm liking this a lot, too. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm curious to see where it goes at the verse. [01:05:16] Speaker D: After the. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Yay. Yes. [01:05:17] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah, I'm going to back it up just a little bit. [01:05:20] Speaker B: Pretty big intro so far. [01:05:21] Speaker D: Yeah, this is the longest song so far. 415. Here we go. [01:05:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Black validine, pay for grind I supervision. Anyway. [01:06:28] Speaker B: What do you think of the melody? [01:06:30] Speaker D: I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure what I think about the melody yet. [01:06:35] Speaker B: I wanted it to go somewhere, and it didn't go there. It's not terrible. But when he said the way he said black Valentine, I liked, I was like, oh, it's cool. But then he didn't do with pay for a crime what he said. I wish I'd gone there. [01:06:52] Speaker D: Yeah. So it's black Valentine, pay for a crime, I ain't superstitious. Anyway, Cupid shot the wrong guy. So I'm assuming that means that he shouldn't have fell in love with whoever this person is. [01:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds like along those lines. [01:07:09] Speaker D: Yeah. Let's see. I mean, there's not a lot of lyrics in here, so this is the only other. As far as I can tell, the only other lyrics is the next thing coming up. [01:07:26] Speaker C: I ain't over you, but it's gonna change. But love get away you better shot the wrong guy, you bear. Shot the wrong guy, you bear. I got the wrong guy. Yeah. Cannot really a solo, but I kind. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Of like it needed a little bit more. [01:08:50] Speaker D: You think it needed more than that? [01:08:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it was too quick. Me, personally, I would have. I moved, like two bars probably. Yeah, I think that was too quick. I don't know. He didn't really develop anything. And I just think this is one of those songs that kind of. You can kind of go off. [01:09:13] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm still not sure what I think about the melody yet. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I like the music, though. I really like what's going on behind it. [01:09:28] Speaker D: Yeah. Some of the choices are. Yeah, things aren't bad. [01:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it's not terrible. I can't really put my finger on, you know what I mean? What I want to hear. [01:09:43] Speaker D: I think some of the other stuff is so much better. And now you're getting like, okay. [01:09:49] Speaker B: I think just a repetition of it. Like Cupid shot the wrong guy. I don't think that that needs to be said three times. It's almost like one and done. Like, you just did it once or maybe even twice. [01:10:01] Speaker D: Yeah, that could be what it is, too. [01:10:04] Speaker B: You don't have a lot around it. [01:10:06] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, luckily the music is so good. [01:10:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The music is actually really good. I don't hear the bass. [01:10:15] Speaker D: I don't hear the bass as much. [01:10:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:22] Speaker D: One of the two songs before, the bass was obviously there because the guitar. I think maybe the guitar frequencies are covering the bass up maybe a little bit. Maybe his guitar. I think that's what frequencies. And it just can't hear it. [01:10:34] Speaker B: That could be it. [01:10:35] Speaker D: I don't hear it as much. [01:10:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:37] Speaker D: All right, let's continue. [01:10:41] Speaker C: Got the wrong guy. You got the wrong guy. You bear got the wrong guy. Yeah. Ra got it away. [01:11:44] Speaker D: Yeah, it was a little weird. I wish that his vocal at the end that was. He was singing over. It was a little louder. Yeah, he kind of got drowned out. And that's more of a production thing, I think, probably. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:01] Speaker D: That'S what I think. There's not a lot of lyrics for me to go off of on this, so I'm going to probably have to go five. It's a lot of repetition. Musicianship, eight again, really good. I like all the music behind everything, production. I don't know, it's not just like the sound. I think it needed some help to make the song better. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah, I think there's a better song there. [01:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:39] Speaker D: It just needed a little bit of focus, I think, maybe. I don't know. I'm going to say. I don't hate to wait. I'm going to give it a seven. But I think that overall, it could be a better song. I mean, it's not horrible, but I think the melody could use a little bit of work. And I think it could have been a much better song. I think the music helps it. And the guitar solo was a little bit short. They could have given him a couple more bars, maybe. [01:13:10] Speaker B: I don't know why he went that short. [01:13:13] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, short is not always bad, but I think that was just too short. [01:13:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:19] Speaker D: All right. What do you think? [01:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll probably say a five on the lyrics. I mean, again, there's really not much going on. It's repetitive, especially compared to the stuff before it. Music. I'll say a seven, and only because I thought the music was really good. But the melody kind of lost me. It almost felt as if, hey, we got this cool song. You know what I mean? You have to come up with something. I was like, all right, we'll just come up with this. And again, it wasn't bad. So I say to myself, a lot of times when we listen to these records, what are the songs that I'll go back to? Are there songs that going to skip? I mean, so far, I don't think I'd skip any of these songs, including this one, because I still liked it. But I just can't give an eight based on what, even though I thought the music probably was an eight. But the melody, I thought, could have been better. So that's the only reason I'm going to say seven. And I'll say seven on production as well. Not that it sounded bad. I think it is on the better end of the production because the drums aren't as dry. And I like the guitar sound. But like you said, if we kind of throw it in the mix. Okay, well, you put a little blame here, maybe a little blame there. [01:14:32] Speaker D: But again, it could have helped. [01:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, again, if I'm listening to this thing, going back to this, I'm going to listen to the song again. I do like the overall. [01:14:42] Speaker D: Yeah. I wouldn't skip it. No, though. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Not at all. [01:14:47] Speaker D: All right, well, this is the last song on this side. This is song number six. So this is called ocean. I like the name. I'm curious what it's going to be like, a slower thing. I don't know. I feel it would be because of the name. Psychedelic, maybe. It's possible. There's a little bit of that. Them, too. So here we go. [01:15:21] Speaker C: Deep in the ocean I thought of you carries me there moving slow motion I float above you in the air the ocean when I think of the ocean it is there to remind me. [01:15:57] Speaker D: Before it changes up. That's definitely ty Tabor singing. It's much different. [01:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:06] Speaker D: I kind of like the idea that there's nothing there besides the guitar and the vocal. [01:16:10] Speaker B: I like the chords. [01:16:12] Speaker D: Yes. [01:16:15] Speaker B: One thing about the 90s, there were certain chords that I heard in the rock that I feel that I haven't heard in other eras that makes any sense. I mean, stuff that, like, sponge used. One of the reasons I love the first sponge record. There's chords and melodies in there that. I love that chord. It's just so weird sounding like Jane's addiction to some of the stuff that they were. [01:16:39] Speaker C: So. [01:16:40] Speaker B: And this is kind of me in that vibe. He's kind of weird and even the way he follows it. So I'm really curious to see where this is going to go. [01:16:48] Speaker D: Yeah, it's definitely not what I thought it was going to be. [01:16:51] Speaker B: No. [01:16:52] Speaker D: I'm just going to back it up a little bit. I think if it was me, it's going to be changing right now. [01:16:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:58] Speaker D: If I'm going, by the way, I would think I would have written this if we did that. I would think it's going to change now. We'll see. I could be wrong. Here we go. [01:17:13] Speaker C: Close sand upon. But I love hearing the ocean over the place when I look at the ocean, it is there in my face. [01:17:57] Speaker D: That's exactly what I thought was going to happen, which is what happened. Yeah, I kind of like that. Let's read some lyrics before we discuss any more of that. So the first verse is deep in the ocean a thought of you carries me there move in slow motion I float above you in the air and then the chorus is over the ocean across the sea when I think in the ocean it is there to remind me. Then the next verse is high on a mountain I look at the valley below the sun shines upon them but I'm up here in the snow over the ocean over the sea when I look at the ocean, it is there to remind me I kind of like that he uses ocean the first time and then he uses mountains the second time. Yeah, I'm cool that he's changing that up. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:48] Speaker D: And his voice kind of works for this. It's much different than Doug Pink's voice. [01:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it reminds you of somebody. But I can't. [01:18:56] Speaker D: Yeah, I know. [01:18:57] Speaker B: I can't place it. I had it and I'm like, no, never mind. [01:19:02] Speaker D: Maybe it'll come back in your brain in a second. I'm just going to. But I knew that it was going to do that change right there because that's the change I would have done. [01:19:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I was definitely hoping it would go there. [01:19:14] Speaker D: Yeah. Because if it did that again, they would have dragged the song down. [01:19:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so, too. [01:19:21] Speaker D: Yeah, you need a little bit of that. But it sounds really good, though. I like the chord changes and stuff. They're really not, and I like them a lot. [01:19:27] Speaker B: And I'm glad they kind of came in loud with the distortion as opposed to just kind of doing the same. [01:19:34] Speaker D: Yeah. Clean again, like, muted. Yeah, I wouldn't like that. All right, here we go. [01:20:28] Speaker B: It again. You know what's funny? When this solo started, I was like, yes, this is what I wanted in the song before this. And he stopped. [01:20:39] Speaker D: Yeah, no, and then when it came in, it needed a little bit longer. [01:20:45] Speaker B: That's what he did in the last one. It was so funny, because again, I said to myself, okay, good. He's going to do in this song what I wanted him to do in the last song. And then it just stopped. [01:20:56] Speaker D: It's weird because he didn't stop on any of the other stuff, though. [01:20:59] Speaker B: I know. I don't know. [01:21:03] Speaker D: I mean, listen, it's his song. Do what he wants. [01:21:06] Speaker B: Exactly. It's his choice. [01:21:09] Speaker D: But, yeah, I think it would have been. I would have liked a little more solo from him because I like right there that he did those. The bends that he did right there. I like that. I wish he would have done something after that. But. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Like you said, it's his song. [01:21:27] Speaker D: Do whatever he wants. I mean, it's still a good song. Regardless, as far as he's concerned, he's playing for the song. Right. So that's what he thinks the song needs. That's what the song needs. I mean, I might not agree with that, but, yeah. [01:21:40] Speaker B: Hey, listen, it's a compliment to him, right, to want him to go on. [01:21:45] Speaker D: Yes. And it's the thing that he cannot. And he doesn't choose to do that because he could choose to do that. [01:21:55] Speaker B: I wish he did. [01:21:57] Speaker D: Yeah, me, too. All right, here we go. [01:22:03] Speaker C: Deep in the desert one flower standing alive and love carry me back to my. Over the ocean I look at the ocean. Getting there. Everybody close. [01:22:40] Speaker D: Sanny is deep in the desert one flower standing alone faith, hope, love. Which is the name of their album from 1990. Right. And carry me back to my home. I think it's 1990. Yes. So he kind of references his own self, which is kind of funny. [01:23:20] Speaker B: I know that. [01:23:22] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm sure fans are like, oh, look, he said that from the name of the. That's the name of the album, so that's pretty funny. I like that. And there is a faith, hope, love song, too, on that album. Yeah. I'm really enjoying this. [01:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you want to go first? [01:23:45] Speaker D: I don't think there's anything here I would really skip. [01:23:48] Speaker B: No, me neither. I really don't think so. Five songs. [01:23:56] Speaker D: This is six. [01:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll go first. [01:24:01] Speaker D: Yeah, go first. [01:24:02] Speaker B: Lyrics are okay. I say six. On the lyrics, they're okay. Yeah, I guess I'll say an eight on the music. Again, I was thinking seven only because I didn't like it as much as the other ones, but I do like. You know what I mean? It's one of those weird things. But I'll say eight. I mean, it was well done. And I'm going to say I ate on the production. I like the way it was produced. I mean, again, my own really complaint is I just wish he would lengthen the solo. But again, especially at that weird couple. Yeah. Which was cool. That kind of weird thing, which I guess sounded like the ocean. [01:24:48] Speaker D: Yeah, I was going to say that was the ocean sounds. Yeah. And then it was funny. Like, he played it one thing, then he moved it up a whole step. Right. So, yeah, I think I'm going to mirror you. Six. Eight. Eight. I like the music a lot. I wish there was more solo from him, but again, that's a compliment because the first couple of things I liked what he did a lot. He's holding back. I mean, give him credit. He could go crazy here and he hasn't. I guess, as far as he's concerned, he's playing for the song. Right. So this is what the song is saying for him to do. That's what he's doing. Although I would appreciate some more. No, lyrics. Lyrics. I'm not sure what it's about. Is it about the ocean? Technically about the ocean? I'm not sure what it's about, but he definitely writes different than Doug Pinnock writes. [01:25:44] Speaker B: Yes. [01:25:44] Speaker D: Sings different because I didn't hear very much Doug Pinnock background vocal in there, though. It sounded like him all over the. [01:25:51] Speaker C: That's. [01:25:51] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me. And you know what I mean? I don't know if you've. Towards the end, especially maybe through the song, but the bass was more prominent. The bass was actually doing some really cool stuff at the end. [01:26:03] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:26:03] Speaker B: I finally picked up. I was like, oh, there it is. [01:26:07] Speaker D: And the drummer had a really high ride symbol. The bell on it was super duper, like in your face. [01:26:14] Speaker B: But it was good, but it fit in, you know what I mean? Again, I think the production on this. [01:26:19] Speaker D: I know nothing about. [01:26:22] Speaker B: I don't either. I mean, other than this, I would assume he would be a pretty good drummer, assuming that they wrote some complicated melodies. I was going to say the song before this one. The. Yeah, yeah. It also reminded me of Lenny Kravitz a little bit maybe. Was that Cupid? A little bit of the vocal patterns and some Lenny Kravitz in there, too, reminded me. Kravitz and Wyland. [01:26:54] Speaker D: I'm super happy we got this because I never really listened to them, and it's frustrating that. All right, if the rest of the record is kind of like this, it's sucky that we don't listen. [01:27:07] Speaker B: The second side sucks. [01:27:10] Speaker D: I don't think so, though. No, I would hope not. I don't think so. I'm going to have to look up a little bit. [01:27:18] Speaker B: What's the strongest second? I mean, what do you call it, right? Rival sons had a pretty strong second side. Right. Because we were all talking. [01:27:23] Speaker D: Yeah, I think we like that whole thing. [01:27:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I want to say that. We were saying, oh, we hope the second side doesn't suck, because the first one's so good. And I don't remember criticizing it. [01:27:36] Speaker D: No. For God's sake. They've been around for a long time. I didn't realize that they found it in 79. It's a lot longer than I thought. I knew it was the 80s. Right. I mean, obviously they were formed, but I guess the lineup has been intact for four decades. So I don't know what the beginning lineup was, but at least from 85, I think this has always been. [01:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw that there was former members. [01:28:15] Speaker D: That their music combines progressive metal, funk, soul with vocal arrangements influenced by gospel, blues, and british invasion rock groups, which I can hear. [01:28:24] Speaker B: I knew they were going to say that. There's a beatlesque. [01:28:31] Speaker D: Yeah, I can hear that. And they have an underground reputation as the musician musicians, which I hear. I always remember that, too. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I remember. [01:28:42] Speaker D: So the early development. Maybe the early stuff is a little more progressive maybe than this is. Could be, because I don't really count this as progressive. [01:28:50] Speaker B: No, this is straight up just songwriting. I was thinking, like, progressive pop. The pop is there, though. It's good. [01:29:11] Speaker D: And they're saying that their lyrics in their first four albums has often led them to be labeled christian rock, but the bands rejected them being christian rock. [01:29:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I've read that, too. [01:29:30] Speaker D: Yeah, maybe on the early stuff. Not in this. I don't see that here. [01:29:36] Speaker B: No, not here. I don't see any of them. [01:29:41] Speaker D: So this is their first record under metal blade. So this is the first time that they modified their creative methods by writing and recording the album together in the studio, rather than coming together to record songs that the individual members had written separately. This is the first time they didn't have an outside producer. The next two records were the same. [01:30:10] Speaker B: Way, man, I was reading somewhere I forgot which one of these songs, but I don't know if it was Pinneck or the other guy who said that it's their favorite song. Their favorite King's x song. It was one of the first two. Yeah. [01:30:27] Speaker D: Oh, they were on Woodstock 94. I didn't know that. I'm going to have to look that up. Did you know that? [01:30:35] Speaker B: No. I have an inkling that they're probably good live. Yeah, I would think they're pretty good live bands. [01:30:46] Speaker D: Yeah. Well, I'm super happy we got. It's just weird that I was listening to some king x earlier and then it just popped up. [01:30:57] Speaker B: I do have to say that when the podcast started and I said something weird, it was kind of like this, you know what I mean? Where something we didn't really know and we didn't really expect to come up. [01:31:15] Speaker D: Yeah, no, I wouldn't expect this to come up. No. But I'm happy it did because this is, again, this is for me, I think, in you, too. This is like a discovery. [01:31:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:28] Speaker D: Because as far as we're concerned, this never existed. [01:31:32] Speaker B: And again, I've heard some other stuff and I tried, and I don't remember it sounding like this, but again, this is late ninety s. The other stuff is late 80s, early ninety s. And I think they had a different vibe. So there could be people who listen to this and say, well, no, this isn't the sound that we like from them, but who knows? And hey, anybody who listens to the podcast, please chime in and let us know what you think, because we're probably. [01:31:58] Speaker D: Wrong about lots of stuff. Let's put the PSA out now. We know nothing about this, about this band. We're just going about what we can read while we're doing this. We're thrown into this thing, just hell, here's an album. Talk about it. Okay. We know nothing about them. [01:32:13] Speaker B: And I'm sure some of the stuff. [01:32:15] Speaker D: That we pull up, like on Wikipedia and stuff, is not 100% right. But we do like the record, though, so far. [01:32:24] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:32:25] Speaker D: There's no songs. I'm skipping on this. [01:32:28] Speaker B: No, I would definitely go back and listen to this. And I think these are the kinds of songs that you like at first, and they grow on you more. The more you listen to them. [01:32:37] Speaker D: Yeah. Generally, if I'd like it right off the bat, I'm going to like it later. [01:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:43] Speaker D: Whereas some other stuff could take a little time for me to like. But not in this case. [01:32:48] Speaker B: No, it's good stuff. [01:32:50] Speaker D: All right. Do your thing. [01:32:53] Speaker B: Yeah. So we are part of the Deep Dive podcast network again, great bunch of guys who do more individualized podcasts. So if you like bands like Queen Maiden, Van Halen, Uriah Heap, Rush, like our budies at Rush Rash, check them out. Probably more knowledgeable about the individual bands than we, you know, you're definitely being for a good time know, definitely something to check out. So Mark, where can they find us. [01:33:21] Speaker D: On the interwebs Rockwood pod everywhere. Please subscribe, share our episodes, set your podcast play or whatever that may be to auto download so you get every new episode we put out. And yeah, you might like some of the other podcasts because they're not as add as we are. Probably because we have no choice. Pretty much, yeah. [01:33:45] Speaker B: We had a big discussion on the shared texting this week about our add and forgetfulness. [01:33:54] Speaker D: Yeah, it's just one of those things where unfortunately, unless it's a band we know, we just get thrown into the fire. Here you go. Oh yeah. [01:34:08] Speaker B: Maybe if you guys are fans of ours, you discovered the album with us. [01:34:13] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm sure some people turn you on to heard this album. [01:34:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:18] Speaker D: And maybe some you've heard earlier albums. Who knows? [01:34:22] Speaker B: I've been to a non title bands from podcasts that I've liked where I like the guys and they kind of focus on one group and they kind of went off the standard and they started doing other stuff and I was like, oh, you know what? These guys like it. Let me go check it out. So hopefully this will be something for the people who listen to us too. [01:34:43] Speaker D: Yeah, it's super cool when we find something like this, right? [01:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah, totally agree. Very happy with it so far. [01:34:55] Speaker D: It's a. You figure we would have listened to this. But no, I mean, again, they were always in my orbit somewhere. I've heard of King's x for a long, long time, but I didn't have the time or whatever to sit down and say, I'm going to be forced to listen to this record. It's not like you're listening to one song, you listen to a whole side or a whole album in one shot. So it's a little different. [01:35:19] Speaker B: And I mean, rock radio was still a thing back then, right? [01:35:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:35:22] Speaker B: So you were fed other bands and stuff that kind of was more in your face, so more stuff that you would pay attention to. But I mean, I know if I heard this back in 98, I would think I would probably have bought this record if I had heard at least one or two of these songs. This is pretty good. I think I'm going to check this out. I'm going to buy it. [01:35:49] Speaker D: You have to have known that you're going to like this. [01:35:51] Speaker B: Give it a little push. Exactly. I definitely would have had this record had I heard at least one or two of these songs. [01:36:00] Speaker D: Good. I would like them a lot. [01:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:03] Speaker D: All right. So I'm excited for his part two, side two next week. Be awesome. [01:36:08] Speaker B: Me, too. [01:36:09] Speaker D: Hopefully it continues with a good thing. I have a good feeling that it's going to continue. [01:36:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't have that sinking feeling. I don't think we're really going to let us down. [01:36:20] Speaker D: I don't think so. All right, everybody, we will see you next week. [01:36:25] Speaker B: Ciao. Ciao. [01:36:26] Speaker D: Later. [01:36:31] Speaker C: You. It's.