Episode 107 - Journey - Next

[00:00:05] Speaker A: This is our musical reaction, breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now onto the Rock Roulette podcast. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette podcast. That's right, the Crazy Ass podcast that took over 1300 albums, stuck it in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And typically every other week we spend the wheel, she picks a record for us and we go through it side by side, track by track, and we talk about the music, the production, the lyrics, the arrangement and the melody. So, yeah, we've expanded our categories recently. Obviously, anybody who's been listening, who we thank immensely, we had a little bit of an uptick recently in listen, so that's cool. So again, we thank you so, so much. Just again, a bunch of friends who wanted to do a podcast about music. Nothing professional here, just having some fun. And whoever takes the ride with us, we really appreciate it. Tonight we are a duo. It's Mark. Oh, hi, Mark. [00:02:01] Speaker C: What's up, guys? [00:02:02] Speaker B: And I'm sad. Ciao, buenasira. So last week she picked Cactus Mark. What was the name of the album? I forgot. Restrictions. [00:02:13] Speaker C: Yeah, restrictions. Yes, sir. [00:02:15] Speaker B: Nice. I thought I was gonna completely forget it, but I mean, you wanna talk about Lafayette, but a band that had a couple famous, very famous people in Ithemenhe, obviously karma in a piece on the drums, Tim Bogart on bass. And I forget who the other two guys were. Honestly. Who are the other two guys in the band? [00:02:39] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't remember. [00:02:41] Speaker B: But in any case, I mean, not bad. Some amazing musicianship, without a doubt. Especially the bass. I mean, that shit was great. The recording was pretty good. The songs were all pretty good. They had some pretty good, I would say a good way of handling the blues. We were talking about that, a couple of songs. One was the COVID by howling Wolf. And then that last song was pretty much straight up blues. But it didn't come across as fake. It sounded like people who kind of knew what they were doing. It wasn't that kind of like eighties hair metal stuff. We kind of talk about. We're like, well, you gotta have a song that's like the doom to duh duh doom da da kind of thing. So I mean, yeah, not bad. I know a couple songs made into my. At least a couple songs made into my playlist. So what about you? What do you think, Mark? [00:03:28] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, like I said, it was a band I've always heard about. I never listened to any of their music, but yeah, it was some good stuff. I'd be curious to see if anything else ever comes up from them. I was surprised we even got that. So that's why I try to pick out what the wheel is going to do. Because it does whatever it wants. [00:03:46] Speaker B: Exactly. That's what she wants to. So before we. Well, we do get to spin the wheel again tonight for our main record. But obviously before we do that, why don't we go into our new bed segment if you want to do the little intro, Mark. [00:04:04] Speaker C: Okay, here we go. [00:04:05] Speaker B: In a world where new music is not easy to find. [00:04:12] Speaker C: Welcome to new bets. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah. So what do we got? Is it my turn or. It's the wheel. [00:04:27] Speaker C: It's the wheel. Yeah. Well, I'm picking the wheel, so I'm the only other person here, so it's wheel time. [00:04:32] Speaker B: All right. [00:04:32] Speaker C: You do wheel because I think you picked the last one, right? [00:04:36] Speaker B: I don't remember. Whatever. [00:04:39] Speaker C: Well, I know what I'm going to. [00:04:40] Speaker B: Pick when it's my turn, so. Okay. [00:04:42] Speaker C: Unless it comes up this time. [00:04:44] Speaker B: It may come up. Yeah, we'll see. [00:04:46] Speaker C: It's possible. All right, so do you see the new bets wheel? [00:04:50] Speaker B: I do see it. It's so small compared to the other one. I can read everything. Crazy. [00:04:55] Speaker C: I know it's crazy. Well, the other one has like 1300 albums on. It's crazy. Alrighty, here we go. Here's the wheel. Let's see what new bets picks us out. [00:05:17] Speaker B: The warning. [00:05:17] Speaker C: Oh, look at that. [00:05:19] Speaker B: 6Ft deep. I know you're always telling me about this band. So. [00:05:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I think this is fairly new. Um, yeah, 2024. This is a newer. This is a newer song. So you haven't really heard anything by them, right? [00:05:32] Speaker B: No, I never kind of listened to. [00:05:35] Speaker C: All right, so let me pull this up and then we'll, uh, give you your first taste and see if you like it. [00:05:42] Speaker B: So they are the three young girls from Mexico, right? [00:05:45] Speaker C: Yep. The three sisters. I mean, they're all young. Like 22 and 20 and like 17 or something like that. 1819. I don't know what she is. The youngest, I think is 19. I think the oldest is, like, 22. They've been. They've been around for, like, ten years. They started with, like, a motley. Not a motley Metallica cover on YouTube. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Like a YouTube thing. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Yeah. So, I mean, they were real young, so. [00:06:10] Speaker B: Been together longer than a lot of bands we've done on this thing. Pretty much. [00:06:16] Speaker C: Well, let's see if you like it. I don't know if you will or not. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm open. See? [00:06:20] Speaker C: All right, so here we go. This is the warning. 6ft deep. It's obviously down tuned a little bit. Obviously. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the riff with the drums. It's not there. It's not. Listen. It is what it is. I mean, listen, there's a lot of heavier music that I've been listening to lately, and the drums are the drums. I mean, I'm not gonna just go by that. I mean, I do like that main riff, so. [00:07:07] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I think. I think they. And they've gotten better as they were. They went along, so. So we'll see. See what the vocals and stuff do. Here we go. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:17] Speaker D: What if I'm selfish? Everyone else is. [00:07:20] Speaker B: You're not a product. [00:08:13] Speaker C: So, what do you think so far? [00:08:15] Speaker B: That's cool. Yeah. [00:08:18] Speaker C: It's very modern. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Who's the lead singer? [00:08:23] Speaker C: Well, most of the time it's the. It's the guitar player. She sings most because they're a trio. [00:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:28] Speaker C: So it's. Most of the time. Sometimes the drummer sings too, so it depends on the song. But I think on this, I think this is the, um. The guitar player. And we should get their names right, because. Pull it up. I should know this, but I don't. Off the top of my head. Let's see. Here we go. So it is Daniella Villarreal. I believe that's how you said Villarreal. Two L's. Right. Y. Villa real. Polina. Villa real Velez is less so. And then Alejandra Villi real Velez. So. 19, 22, 24. Yeah. And they. And their first. Their first, like, Ep thing was in 2017, so they've been around for a while. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:15] Speaker C: Actually, 2015, technically. So they were young. Yeah. Like ten years ago. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker C: We just. [00:09:23] Speaker B: We didn't do anything, but we were about the same age. We started. [00:09:28] Speaker C: Well, no, she started. The bass player is nine years old. [00:09:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, no, that's nuts. [00:09:33] Speaker C: Ten years ago. Nine years ago, she was ten. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. [00:09:36] Speaker C: And the other. Yeah, so. Oh, no. Yeah, she was 1415. Yeah. Makes sense. All right, let's continue. [00:09:53] Speaker D: You pushed me over again, but it's too late. [00:10:46] Speaker B: So what you gonna say when you're talking on my name? [00:10:52] Speaker D: Cause it's over 6ft deep I'll be seeing you underground got to figure it. [00:11:00] Speaker C: Out. [00:11:04] Speaker D: Cause it's over 6ft deep I seen you underground. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Short. [00:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah. What is it? 257 short. But it's not bad. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Not bad. I can dig it. [00:11:28] Speaker C: This is kind of their new style. They have stuff that's a little different than this before, but this is the brand new album, so they've gotten a little slicker as they went on. So they didn't write this song. This was written for them. [00:11:40] Speaker B: What is their other stuff like? Is it having just like. Same kind of level heavy? [00:11:45] Speaker C: Yeah, it's sort of, kind of like that. Yeah. I mean, this. This is more. This is more polished. Some of the early stuff is not as polished as this, but it's good, though. I actually think I prefer the earlier stuff, I think. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I assume they're on the list somewhere, right? [00:12:01] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's definitely. [00:12:03] Speaker B: And then they get the name, the warning from the Queensreck album. [00:12:06] Speaker C: Um. I do not know. That's a very good question. I don't know if it says where they've got. Where they got their name. [00:12:13] Speaker B: I mean, the warning could be a common thing, but being a metalhead, that's where I. That's where I drift to. [00:12:22] Speaker C: It doesn't really say. I don't and I don't know offhand, so. Yeah, so I don't really know. But I think they're big fans of the muse, you know, then they end up, you know, becoming a pretty decent band now. I know at certain point, you know, I've seen some live stuff and I think there is some tracks and stuff happening which I don't particularly like, but, you know, that's just par for the course these days. I think everybody kind of is going to kind of do that these days. I mean, I don't like it, but, you know, I sort of kind of understand why it's happening. [00:13:00] Speaker B: There's no standing keyboard player. Right. [00:13:02] Speaker C: No. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's probably. That's got to be tracked. End. [00:13:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:06] Speaker B: So now we transition to the big wheel. [00:13:08] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. But first we have to do this first. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Oh, that's right. The outro. Sorry. [00:13:12] Speaker C: Intro. Outro. [00:13:14] Speaker B: In a world where new music is not easy to find. Welcome to new bats. [00:13:29] Speaker C: I love the cowbell. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:31] Speaker C: Well, now it's time for the real wheel. I'm glad you liked it, though. I'm glad you liked it because I didn't know I didn't know how you were gonna do that, so. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Hey listen man, if I like it, I like it. I like a lot of different. I've been trying to get into some of them more. Yeah, the production is just. [00:13:45] Speaker C: I know. [00:13:47] Speaker B: I think that at this point though, I'm just trying to kind of overlook that because it's just amazing how the drums in this song sound like the drums and about 1015 other songs that I have my playlist from different, like, you know what I mean? Heavier bands. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Yeah, so. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Well that's the problem because everyone's using the same plugins, everyone's getting the same triggers. It's all the same. [00:14:06] Speaker B: It's funny and it's like, I had discussion with my son, he's like, oh, the drums sound great. I was like, no, they don't sound good. He's like, what do you mean? They're so powerful. I said no. And then we like listen to ride the lightning together, he and I. And I was like, see, this sounds better. This is fucking 84. Oh yeah, that all came out. Yeah, whatever. [00:14:25] Speaker C: Well, I think at a certain point there were people that made drums sound a certain way. Like John Bonham has a sound. You know what I mean? Everyone has their sound nowadays. There's really not that there's one sound generally. So unless people are doing it old school then, then you get a drum sound. But other than. Other than that, that doesn't happen very much so. All right, are we ready? I'm ready. [00:14:44] Speaker B: I'm ready. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Do you want to try to guess what it's going to do? What do you think? [00:14:47] Speaker B: So I was thinking about it today. So we had cactus and obviously we picked Jimi Hendrix. And then before that we had bush. So you know we've kind of got the sixties, seventies and nineties covered. So I was wondering, you know, some good old fashioned eighties metal would be nice. Or maybe something from the aughts, you know, maybe something like newer. [00:15:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I would like something new. Or I'd like something in the eighties, I think. Yeah, that's my choice. I know it's not gonna do that. It's gonna do whatever it wants. Fucking wheel. [00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:18] Speaker C: All right, we're ready. Here we go. Let's wheel spin. Here we go. And we're up. [00:15:43] Speaker B: Next by journey. Is that the one before? What do you call it? This is like pre Steve Perry, right? [00:15:49] Speaker C: This is, this is pre Steve Perry like number two. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Is this their second album? [00:15:54] Speaker C: Um, 3rd 1977. I know nothing about this, this era of journey at all. [00:16:00] Speaker B: So what year is this? [00:16:01] Speaker C: 1977. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Wow. We are still going classic. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Greg Riley is the primary lead singer. Now, a funny thing here. It says that. And obviously this. This didn't do anything like any other journey album, you know, done, because it only got to number 85 in the Billboard 200. But although he did not contribute to next, lead vocalist Robert Fleischmann joined Journey shortly after the album's release as a songwriter and the group's first dedicated frontman, sharing lead vocal duties with Raleigh during the subsequent live shows. I didn't even know that. Did you know he was in the. It was in journey. [00:16:32] Speaker B: I want to say yes only because you and I been speaking about Vinnie Vincent. And I heard a story, too. I don't know if that's true, that he didn't want Fleischmann. He really wanted slaughter. But then they said he wanted Fleischman, like after slaughter. So I don't. I don't know. I don't know exactly. You know what I mean? But I want to say that I did note that only because of that. But he was never on a record with them, though, right? That he was just Fleischmann. [00:16:59] Speaker C: Oh, a journey. [00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah. They actually do record with them record wise. [00:17:05] Speaker C: Well, here's the question. Let's look at their bot. Discography. Hold on. I'll tell you because it'll tell us. So this is 77. So no infinity was 78. So that has to be. They did record a few tracks, but I don't think it was. He was replaced with Steve Perry, so it's kind of funny. And then the next time he came up was with Vinnie Vincent, so. But Ansley Dunsbor is on this, so that should be good for you. Yeah, he's a great. He's a great drummer. [00:17:31] Speaker B: Great drummer. [00:17:32] Speaker C: I'm sure you're gonna have a good drum sound. [00:17:34] Speaker B: So it's Raleigh Duns bar, right? [00:17:37] Speaker C: It is Greg Raleigh. Neil, Sean Ross, Valerie, Ansley Dunsbar. [00:17:42] Speaker B: So just four. I mean, these are great musicians. [00:17:44] Speaker C: So this is gonna be interesting because, you know, I was thinking about this. I said, I know if we get journey, we're gonna get early journey. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Yeah. But weren't they. Isn't this kind of transitional for them? Isn't. Isn't this where they kind of started heading into a little bit more. I think. Yeah, yeah. I think I'd read that. That wasn't just on Steve Perry. They were already kind of heading in that more song. And again, I don't. I've never heard their early stuff, honestly. So I don't know. If it's really far off progressive, what? It is or isn't. [00:18:15] Speaker C: Well, it's. It's supposed to have some of the progressive stuff still in here. Lyrics here. Hopefully these lyrics are better than the lyrics for cactus because that was horrible. Those things are all fucking funny stuff, so. Oh, this is funny. Their first. Their first song is called Space man. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Nice. Was it written by what's his name? Tommy there? [00:18:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Right. Isn't Tommy there? Doesn't he have a song called Spaceman or am I wrong? Isn't that. Is that what it was called? No. He surely does. Yeah. I'm sorry. I. [00:18:46] Speaker C: For. [00:18:47] Speaker B: It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't as bad. It's like lightning or something. [00:18:51] Speaker C: Lightning strikes. I don't even want to talk about lightning strikes. All right, cool. So this is Spaceman by journey, 1977. Wow. That is so, like seventies yacht rock, isn't it? [00:19:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. Are they. Are they one of the yacht rock bands? [00:19:26] Speaker C: No, I. No, I don't think so. [00:19:29] Speaker B: I know they're aor, but. [00:19:30] Speaker C: Yeah, they aor, but, yeah. This. This sound. This is definitely different. They got the little talk box thing going on and. I don't know, it sounds very, very seventies yacht rock. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's just different. [00:19:44] Speaker B: It's funny because I almost got a little bit of an Elton Johnny vibe out of it, too. [00:19:47] Speaker C: I can see that. Yeah. Well, this is where everyone had their big Afro, so, you know. Lots of love. Yeah. [00:19:53] Speaker B: Nice. [00:19:55] Speaker C: Neil. Sean had gigantic afro. Here we go. [00:20:14] Speaker D: Don't be surprised I was born to fly not without a place in the wind then I close my eyes I'm not a spaceman no, I'm not a spaceman. [00:21:00] Speaker C: That is very Elton John. Oh, my God. You're 100% right. [00:21:04] Speaker B: I mean, let alone the material, obviously, but. [00:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's okay. [00:21:08] Speaker B: It's a little boring. Okay. [00:21:12] Speaker C: It's like bad Elton John. [00:21:16] Speaker B: It's okay. I mean, I'm assuming sacrifice is gonna stay here. They'll probably take it elsewhere. It's a short album, actually. Right. [00:21:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Four minutes, so. All right, so I'm gonna read lyrics. Don't be so wise. I was born to fly not without a place in the wind walked off a cliff then I closed my eyes oh, I'm not a spaceman no, no oh, I'm not a spaceman so the lyrics aren't bad. He has a good voice, too. Greg Rowley. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, he and Ross, Valerie, I think, together did a band called the storm after after journey. It's kind of in that same vein, but, you know, some really good, like, catchy songs. But I mean, wails on vocals. I father him or Ross Valerie Greg. Yeah, Ross Valerie. I think so. [00:22:01] Speaker C: Yeah, it's good. I like it. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:03] Speaker C: All right, let's, let's continue on. [00:22:14] Speaker D: To my mind not supernatural just a human combine I'm not a safe man no I'm not a safe mandeh I. [00:23:13] Speaker B: What'd you think? Simple. [00:23:15] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like Neil. Sean always comes up with good stuff. This is definitely not what journey solos are going to be later. There's a little more bluesiness, I think, in this than with some of the stuff he does later. But the sound is good. I mean, it's good solo. I like it. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds really. Yeah, I was just going to say it's such a crisp sound for guitar. [00:23:37] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I mean, listen, it's not really going very, very many places, but, you know, this is definitely a transition. You can hear where they want to go, but they can't really get there with his voice, unfortunately. [00:23:48] Speaker B: I think they have another album after this, too. I was reading and actually the lead singer for the storm, I mean, the other guy does some lead with the main. He wasn't the main lead on post, so I just want to throw that out there for. It wasn't him. [00:24:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Get all the nasty comments. All right, so verse two is don't need no feathers I don't need no twine I'm all together in my body and my mind not supernatural just a human combine and then the chorus. So the lyrics aren't horrible. I like some of the things. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Like, I hear lyrics like this, I'm flying. I'm always like, that's about drugs. Yeah, I don't know that it is. I'm just like, yeah, it's drugs. He's flying. It's drugs. [00:24:25] Speaker C: I'm not saying it is 77, you know, so. All right, let's continue. Here we go. [00:24:44] Speaker D: But not today I'm a cosmopolitan right handed winglers Mandy. No, no, I'm not a space I know. No, I'm not a spaceman I'm not afraid I'm out of space. [00:26:06] Speaker B: It'S like Janis Chaplin laughing there at the end. [00:26:08] Speaker C: Where's that last? [00:26:12] Speaker B: That was more talkbox at the end, too, right? That was. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it's not a bad song. [00:26:18] Speaker B: No, it's fine. [00:26:19] Speaker C: It is a very, very leaning toward the Elton John ish kind of thing, which I guess Greg Riley is more of that kind of a guitar, piano and keyboard player than Jonathan Cain, I think is. So that's why it kind of sounds that way, maybe. Yeah. [00:26:34] Speaker B: It's just got that seventies vibe. [00:26:37] Speaker C: Well, they know. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Yes. It's kind of a weird opener. I though. I mean, like, it doesn't. It's. [00:26:43] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not a grabber, per se. [00:26:46] Speaker C: I didn't hear very much progressive in that. [00:26:48] Speaker B: No, that was. That was very simple. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Yeah, well, not even simple. It's just. It's very. It's very yacht rocky, for lack of a better adult contemporary, as they would call it back in the day. But guitar playing was good. Drumming. Drumming is really good. Bass is really good. I mean, it's all good. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah, no, they're good. Yeah, they're good music, for sure. [00:27:06] Speaker C: Did I finish reading the lyrics? I did. Right. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Thanks very much. [00:27:11] Speaker C: Let's see. Let's make sure. Oh, no, I didn't read the last one, so. Can't see a castle I don't need a sleigh I brought my wings no, not today I'm a cosmopolitan right handed, wingless man. This could be a drug song. I don't know what the hell he's talking about here. I mean. I mean, you can take a lot out of this. I guess. I was born to fly walked off a cliff and I closed my eyes. You jumping off a cliff, like. I don't know. It doesn't need feathers. I don't know. Anyway, once you go first, um. [00:27:38] Speaker B: I mean, honestly, I'm thinking six is straight across. That's kind of like what jumped into my head. So maybe just not to over complicate things. I'll help you with that. I mean, again, it's. It's not a. It's not a bad song. And the, um. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's not, you know, it's one of those middle. It's mid songs, you know, as a. My son would say. And my daughter tells me not to because I'm not cool enough or young enough. It's mid. [00:28:02] Speaker C: It's mid. It is kind of mid. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah. It's. I mean, it's kind of a weird. I mean, especially when you think journey. Right? You think probably big opener. And it's very calm. Yeah. I mean, again, it's not. It's not terrible. [00:28:15] Speaker C: No, it's not terrible. I think I'm going to do sixes, too. I think. I think that's a good starting thing here because I don't know what's coming up. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Keep it conservative for now, I think. [00:28:23] Speaker C: Yeah. All right, I'm so the next one is people. Well, they like the one word names. Space people. Next. This is people. See if people. Yeah. Journey. Let's see if. Let's see if people can kind of pull us out of this. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Yeah, let's see. [00:28:39] Speaker C: Here we go. Yeah, it's kind of weird. Like, I know they want to really go into this, like, poppy kind of area, but I don't know. [00:29:32] Speaker B: It's lingering. [00:29:33] Speaker C: Yeah. It's not what I think journey is. So that's why it's kind of like. I don't know. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Well, I mean, it could be what journey was. Right. Because we both said we don't really know. [00:29:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker B: What it was. [00:29:43] Speaker C: I'm so used to the Steve Perry slick, very pop sensible, with a really strong vocal, you know what I mean? And getting right into it. And this is a little more. It meanders a little more. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:54] Speaker C: But, you know, it could get better. I don't know. I mean, right now I feel like I'm on. I turned the yacht rock station on. That's what I'm getting. [00:30:00] Speaker B: I mean, I like the riff just like I said. It's kind of just lingering right there. So I'm like, is this going to kind of blow up into something? Is it just going to. Are at the melody line over there? So I'm kind of curious to see what they're going to do with it. [00:30:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. [00:30:13] Speaker B: And were these guys all from Santana, by the way? [00:30:16] Speaker C: Um. I'll look it up. I'm not sure. I think. I think Rick Riley was. I don't know if everybody was. I have to look. All right, let's. Let's run this a little bit. I'll look while we're listening. [00:31:26] Speaker D: Who says I'm not going to hell and stay away? To you nowhere I'm so happy I has to talk about somebody else. [00:32:14] Speaker C: Now. I can hear the progressiveness. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Even in the kind of melody line. [00:32:21] Speaker C: Yeah. This is definitely maybe what they were doing prior. So, Russ, Valerie wasn't in Santana. Greg Raleigh was in Santana. Ansley Dunsboard wasn't in Santa Ansley. Duns bar has been everywhere. [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:31] Speaker C: Jeff Beck, Frank Zappa, John Mayo, Jefferson, Starship, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Mcronson, Sammy Hagar, UFO. Like, he's been every place, but he wasn't in Santana. [00:32:41] Speaker B: And was Neil, Sean? He was. Yeah. Okay. I couldn't refer to all of them, a couple of them, but I remember the connection with that, so. [00:32:50] Speaker C: All right. So here's the lyrics so far. I mean, I don't think there's a lot of lyrics in this. Who are the ones that slip and slide through life moving like the waves in a sink people always need a minute or two to think who says they're not going to hell climb the stairway to you nowhere people oh so happy until they scare who always has to talk about somebody else born as a guy they think that's got to be people simply just another you and me but I do think. Yeah, the progressive stuff is starting to happen now. Yeah. Which I like where it's starting to go. So hopefully I'll continue in this thing. It's a decently long song. 519 for something that doesn't have a lot of lyrics. So, yeah, I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of instrumental stuff happening. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is cool, because, I mean, I like the music part of it. I mean, just wasn't that whole singing part melody, whatever was into. It's kind of. [00:33:37] Speaker C: No, it's in the progressive stuff. It's usually secondary anyway. The vocals, aren't they generally. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it depends. [00:33:45] Speaker C: All right, let's continue. Here we go. What other band does this sound like? [00:34:20] Speaker B: I mean, it rhymes with a little bit of genesis. Like the early Genesis. [00:34:23] Speaker C: What about, like, Elo and stuff like that? Yes. No, it could be. [00:34:27] Speaker B: I don't really know Elo. [00:34:28] Speaker C: That's another band that I probably sticks, too. [00:34:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of these bands kind of had that little progressive. I mean. Well, obviously genesis was way progressive. I mean, I think they were. Yeah. At this point, they were probably more peers than not. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I like the music part of it, so I'm digging what they're doing here. [00:34:48] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it's good. It's good. It's just, you know, again, you think. I think almost everybody thinks journey is a certain thing. Right. And not realizing that this was journey, or probably even more progressive prior than this, is, because this is like the transition album. So. [00:35:01] Speaker B: Yeah, this is number three. So, yeah. [00:35:04] Speaker C: Now, I wonder if, like, if you were the fan of journey, of this journey, and then the next record comes out and they're like super pop rock. [00:35:11] Speaker B: Well, I think there's one. There's one more in between, I think, before Perry comes in. [00:35:15] Speaker C: No, doesn't he come to the next one? That's what it says, right? [00:35:17] Speaker B: I thought there was a. I thought there was another one in between. [00:35:21] Speaker C: It's a very good question. I'll look it up. Let's start this and I'll look it up. Here we go. Yeah, I like it as pure, like, musician side. It's really good. Neil. Sean. I mean, that's definitely not stuff he played in journey, like, after this. So I looked up the album, though. The next album is infinity as lights, wheel in the sky. [00:36:37] Speaker B: Oh, it is so. [00:36:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. [00:36:40] Speaker B: What the hell I read. Then I said that they're like, oh, the next hour was, like, jazzy, progressive, and I was like, oh, there was another one in between, but I'm like, damn, that's quick, because this is, like, 77. And infinity was, what? 78? 79. [00:36:52] Speaker C: 78, yeah. But it was recorded in 77, so. [00:36:57] Speaker B: Don'T always trust what you read, supposedly. [00:37:00] Speaker C: I don't know. That's what it says, but, yeah. Cool. So, I mean, I'm liking this a lot. I mean, like I said, for the sheer musicianship of it all, that. Yeah, there's one, like, drum break there. He's really good. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we. We all with Ansi Dunbar. I mean, I think this is before, when we first kind of started getting into knowing who was and wasn't musicians and was a white snake album when he played drums. And it's funny because it isn't easy if he's doing anything overly complicated, but it just. It's. Listen to it and you're like, oh, man, I like the drumming. [00:37:32] Speaker C: Well, yeah, he plays on the 1987 Weissnick album. The drum is great on that. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, the one before, it's cozy Powell, so it's not. You know what I mean? It's nothing to scuff at either, slightly. [00:37:43] Speaker C: No, of course not. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Yeah, but it still was different. [00:37:48] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. But I'm liking this. I mean, musician wise, I think I'm gonna rate this fairly high. I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna do on as far as lyrics and stuff and melody, because there's not very much to say on that. [00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah, there really isn't much. Anyway, this is if it's, like a big part of the song. [00:38:01] Speaker C: Yep. All right, here we go. You know, that sounds a little rushed to me. [00:38:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:38:29] Speaker C: I don't know. That's what it just came in my mind. I don't know. Yes or no, but that's what it feels like. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Yeah, a little bit like a tar thing. Sounds like something you would do. [00:38:36] Speaker C: It's cool. All right, we only got, like, how long we got to go? About a minute. So let's try that. Here we go. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Is that going into the next one. [00:39:30] Speaker C: No, I think there's one little piece left. I thought that was the end, but. No, I'm gonna back that up. I don't wanna hear that again. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Yeah, here we go. [00:39:36] Speaker C: I thought it was done. Here we go. [00:39:59] Speaker B: That was it. [00:40:00] Speaker C: That's it. It messed me up. [00:40:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:05] Speaker C: I guess I'll go first. I mean, there's really not a lot here for. I mean, not that the words are bad that are there, but there's not a lot there. So I'm gonna give it a five and melody. A five. I mean, you know, not horrible, but it's not allowed to judge musicianship. And eight. It's interesting to hear Neil Sean stretch out like that because you don't really hear that in the later journey stuff, so it's really interesting to hear that. And obviously, he can obviously play guitar because he played with Santana, so you can't be in Batman and not on that play arrangement. I mean, it's interesting arrangement. So I'm going to give it a seven and in production, you give it eight. I thought it was produced very well. Like the drum sound, like the bass sound, guitars, everything was good. Keyboard. What do you think? [00:40:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we're gonna say five on lyrics and melody as well, and probably sevens for everything else. And I'm being a little conservative, but I still think there's some bigger stuff coming around the corner. But, I mean, musically, it's definitely more interesting than the first one, so. I mean, the first one was more of, like a song song, let's say. And this one was a little bit more of an instrumental show, so. Yeah, I mean, not bad. [00:41:04] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's. It's definitely not what I consider a journey, because I know nothing about this older stuff, so. But I do, you know, I can appreciate the musicianship in that. You know, it's definitely more toward the progressive side of stuff, so. All right, so the next song is I would find you. So I wonder if this is, like a ballady kind of thing. That's what it sounds like. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Yeah, by the time. [00:41:26] Speaker C: It's just a weird two opening songs. Like, that's a weird two. One, two. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:30] Speaker C: Like, you would think people would be somewhere in the middle, like. Or toward the end of the first side. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that could be a good album. A good side. Closer. Yeah, that would have been cycles. Or actually. [00:41:38] Speaker C: Here we go. I would find you. Hey, know what that sounds like? [00:41:45] Speaker B: Peter Gabriel. [00:41:47] Speaker C: Nah, that's what I was thinking. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, he wasn't jealous. [00:41:51] Speaker C: Yeah, it's pretty funny. All right, here we go. I'm gonna back it up again. [00:42:50] Speaker D: Many days have fade away and a time has passed those were memories. [00:43:04] Speaker B: That. [00:43:05] Speaker D: Have been by so fast I can't see you I can't tell you I will find you I will find you. [00:44:06] Speaker C: So, what do you think? [00:44:07] Speaker B: That's cool, my little buddy. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah. I didn't know where it was gonna go when that keyboard thing came on, so. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Yeah, not bad, though. [00:44:15] Speaker C: It reminds me of something else, though. I don't know what it reminds me of. It's definitely still more toward the progressive side, I think. [00:44:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:24] Speaker C: Closer to the pop stuff, sort of, kinda. But his voice is not. His voice is not what you need for that, though. His voice is good, but it's good for this kind of stuff, I think. All right, so here's lyrics. Many days have faded away and the time has passed those were memories that have been by so fast I can't see you I can't hear you but I feel you and then the chorus is. I would find you I would find you well, I would find you I would find you not a lot of lyrics. [00:44:53] Speaker B: No. I mean, I think that the whole. It's more about the music in cases like this than it is what they're singing. [00:45:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I don't hate the verse lyrics, though. Not bad. [00:45:08] Speaker B: No, I mean, honestly, this could be the best melody so far. Yeah, I mean, he's got a good voice. You know, it says a lot of feeling in his voice, so we got emotion in it. [00:45:19] Speaker C: Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I mean, and they're obviously all good, great musicians, so, you know, pull us off. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:45:27] Speaker C: Like, I'm really interested in hearing more, like Neil. Sean, like, being able to stretch out. [00:45:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he definitely did some really cool shit in the song before, so he. [00:45:36] Speaker C: Doesn'T get a chance to do that in journey now or journey after this, so. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Which is funny. Right? Because, I mean, I'm not saying. I mean, obviously there were five people in that band, but still. Right. He's one of the starters. I mean, you would think that. I think it's more. I would say his. His choice. [00:45:51] Speaker C: 100%. Yeah, he's playing for the song. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:45:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Here he has a little more. He's playing for the song here, too, but there's a little more place to stretch out. [00:46:01] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:46:02] Speaker C: And then they made that conscious decision to change their sound. Right. And to pretty much ditch the progressive side, where here they're kind of in the middle. Or in the middle. All right, here we go. [00:46:23] Speaker D: Out. That message was from the Lord without a doubt? I can't see you? Whoa, I can't hear you, but I feel you? Oh, could it be that I feel so all alone? It's you that's traveling at your moment? [00:47:31] Speaker C: It looks like this lyric thing is gonna suffer from the last thing, like, the last album at the end. Like, there's really no more lyrics, so I'll read this to you before we go to solo. But now that we know that we've been there and the time is running out? That message was from the Lord without a doubt? I can't see you, I can't hear you, but I feel you? Could it be that I feel so alone? So all alone? It's you that's driving me mad? You won't leave me alone? You have touched? I forget what excited what he said for the rest of it, but you kind of get to gist. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:04] Speaker C: I'm assuming someone he misses, I guess. Is it about someone who passed away, or is it some. Is it about a woman? I'm not sure. I can't see you, I can't hear you, but I feel you? [00:48:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be. And then I'm always thinking, like, is it some kind of journey? You know, like, on a journey? Kind of. Is it specifically about something, or. [00:48:24] Speaker C: Yeah, it's, um. It's actually very. A very cool song. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not bad. I mean, honestly, could be my, like, stem to stern could be my favorite so far. [00:48:33] Speaker C: Yeah. I have a feeling that guitar wise is gonna be good. Coming up. [00:48:38] Speaker B: So, how much time is left in the song? [00:48:40] Speaker C: 235. [00:48:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:48:43] Speaker C: This is a five minute 52 song, so. All right, here we go. [00:50:15] Speaker D: You madly alone? Oh, yes, I. [00:51:13] Speaker B: So, it's funny, that poll he does at the end, those couple of pulls. I'm like. I was like, man, that sounds like journey. You know what I mean? I feel like it's something he would have done in the ballads with Steve Perry, you know what I mean? If these people had nothing to do with it. Nothing to do. Journey, this was some other band, and I heard that part that kind of reminds me, like, something Neil Sean would do in a journey ballad. [00:51:39] Speaker C: Yeah. The guitar playing is really good. [00:51:41] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he is. I mean, he is the focus, right. All things considered. There's no real keyboard solo going on. You know what I mean? I mean, the bass is great, too. The bass is obviously big. I love that little bass things. [00:51:58] Speaker C: I do like this song a lot. I don't know what I'm gonna give it, but I do like the song, I think, you know, it's. Again, it's still straddling that line between new journey, old journey, so, you know, you can hear still a little bit more of where they could stretch out a little bit more than the stuff that's coming later, which is, you know, very tight and, you know, focused. But here it's a little more, you know, bluesy and, like, experimental and proggy, I guess. Um, what do you think? [00:52:27] Speaker B: I mean, and then more interesting, too, though, right? In some cases with some of the other stuff that gets a little too polished and almost bubblegummy at times. [00:52:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, of course. [00:52:39] Speaker B: You know, not to offend anybody, but. [00:52:42] Speaker C: This is a different band. What are you going to rate this thing? [00:52:45] Speaker B: So I'm going to say seven on music. Trying to think lyrics, there's not much. I'll say six on the lyrics. I mean, I could go five. I can go six. I mean, again, this is. I don't think there's really. But, I mean, if it is kind of that sentiment that I can, then it's kind of cool. Melody was good, too. I'll say, um. I like the melody. I'll say seven on the melody. I'll say an eight on arrangement because I like the way they did it. I'm gonna say eight on production because I think this one runs very crisp. And, I mean, the production has been pretty, you know, pretty solid overall, but this one had a little bit more going on, I feel so. Yeah, I mean, I think overall, again, stem to stern, this one's my favorite so far. So what do you think? [00:53:29] Speaker C: Um, yeah, I'm gonna say six on the lyrics, seven on the melody. I like the melody. Musicianship is seven, rangeman is seven. And production, eight. I think the production has been good all the way through. It's. This is more of a showcase for, again, musicianship again. But, you know, it is trying to go into the other direction a little bit. It's just, you know, his voice is not suited for the stuff that's going to come later. Right. I assume that's why Steve Perry got in here, because that's kind of like what had to happen. But I do like this a lot, actually. It's definitely different, but different in a good way, though. Not in a bad way. [00:54:06] Speaker B: No. [00:54:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I like it. All right, so ending the first side is a song called here we are. This is all Greg Raleigh. Lyrics, music and lead vocal. Curious to see how this. What this does. And this is four minutes and 16 seconds. Here we go. Here we are. [00:55:33] Speaker D: When you give your own and you'll feel? Don't you cry. If you're crying now? You won't hear somehow? Don't you cry? There's a place to be, won't you say? With me, you can help us see, here we are. Let yourself go by? You can touch the sky if you try. [00:56:14] Speaker C: So what do you think of that? [00:56:15] Speaker B: It's not bad. [00:56:16] Speaker C: It's a little beetle. [00:56:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say that. Definitely has a beetle cinch to it. I can hear that. [00:56:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:22] Speaker B: I guess I'll say elo, too, at this point. [00:56:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Even though I don't know enough about them. But I kind of hear that in there. I'm gonna do again here a little bit of the Genesis going on as well. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Now, Genesis was contemporary to this or prior? [00:56:38] Speaker B: Oh, Genesis actually started in 1969, I think was their first album. [00:56:43] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:43] Speaker B: So, yeah, at this point, I mean, I'm pretty sure Peter. Yeah, Peter Gabriel had gone already, so, I mean, they were. Yeah, they were. They were pretty deep in there. I would say a good six, seven albums deep into this discography. Give it a shake. [00:56:57] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. They did some damage already, so I. [00:57:03] Speaker C: Think I know where we ended. When you give your all? And you're feeling small? Don't you cry. If you're crying aloud? You won't feel so proud? Don't you cry. There's a place to be. Once you stay with me? You can help us see, here we are, let yourself go? You can touch the sky if you try. Is that what we're up to? I think so. Right? [00:57:21] Speaker B: I believe so. [00:57:22] Speaker C: Yeah. I like it. [00:57:24] Speaker B: The lyrics are also very ambient, right? Like esoteric kind of lyrics? [00:57:29] Speaker C: Yeah. You can't really. You can't really figure out what he's trying to say. [00:57:33] Speaker B: I mean, if you take it for face value, it's like, hey, come on, you know what I mean? You're just wondering if this is it. Just about that? Is it kind of like this universal? There's a hippiesqueness to it, too, I think, 100%. [00:57:46] Speaker C: Yeah. You feel like you're in the late sixties. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. It's kind of like a strawberry fields kind of thing. A little bit. Some of the vocal things remind me of that, I think. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, I agree. I definitely heard some of the. Some Beatles in there. I think it's even the way he kind of sings it, though. I kind of like that. You know what I mean? [00:58:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I think he's trying to get that vibe. [00:58:08] Speaker B: I think it sounds like it. [00:58:09] Speaker C: Let's continue. [00:58:23] Speaker D: If you ever try can you tell me why you are only you will know I show can you tell me you can feel like me. You can help my. [00:59:18] Speaker C: Wow, that's really Beatles. Holy shit. Yeah, his voice, too. He's. He's singing. Is he trying to sing like Paul McCartney? That's what it sounds like, right? [00:59:26] Speaker B: Like a mixed. And that's what it feels like. You know, it's kind of. It's got a little bit of the draw, you know what I mean? Kind of the Liverpool draw that John Lennon had. But then that megaphone voice in the back, it's like, straight up, it's. It's kind of almost like Pink Floyd. E tuna in some regards, too. I hear a little bit. A little bit of that going on, like, there in the back, but, yeah, I mean, this is very beatlesque, I think. [00:59:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I like it, though. It's good. Let's continue it. [00:59:54] Speaker D: You ain't know I. Tell me you can ever see. [01:01:09] Speaker B: Was quick. It was weird. I felt like it was. I don't know, I felt like it was gonna go into different places, but it kind of didn't, other than that kind of sped up disco beat. [01:01:21] Speaker C: Yeah. I'd like to change, though. I'd like to change. [01:01:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I kind of. I liked where it went. I thought maybe they were kind of linger a little bit more on that part, but they didn't. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, let me read the lyrics. Here we go. Oh, you've got to show you may never know what you are if you ever try can you tell me why why you are? Only you will know and you pick your show can you tell me, though? Will you know if you feel like me? You can't help but please who? You know, weird lyrics. [01:01:50] Speaker B: You go first on this one. [01:01:52] Speaker C: Great. I don't hate the lyrics. I'm gonna give him a six. I like the melody, actually, a lot. Maybe because it reminds me of the Beatles, so I'm gonna give it a seven. Musicianship, obviously, is good. Gonna give it a seven. I like the arrangement. I like the double time thing, so I might bump that up to eight. Just because I kind of like the change in drumming and production. I'm gonna give an eight. I mean, I think it's been well produced through this whole thing. Who is doing the production here? [01:02:17] Speaker B: We didn't talk. We didn't say that. Right. [01:02:18] Speaker C: Who produced this journey? Oh, just themselves. Yeah. All right. What do you think? [01:02:26] Speaker B: As much as the last one, but there's bits that I like, like. So, yeah, Melody's fine. I'm gonna say six on the melody. I say five of the lyrics. I don't know. I thought they were a little. Production is good. I. Seven production. I'm gonna say six on the music. I mean, it wasn't bad, but I was kind of. And I just kind of felt like it stayed there. What am I missing? Did I miss anything? I feel like I missed arrangement. [01:02:54] Speaker C: Arrangement. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Oh, Ranger's fine. I'll say six. I mean, it was. It was okay. I mean, it was all right. [01:03:01] Speaker C: Well, it was definitely the highest rated. So. Of every track, I think here. Oh, was it this one? This one and the last one both the same? [01:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, again, none of the songs have been bad. And I believe you. I am not. I'm not sitting here saying, oh, this isn't Steve Perry stuff. I mean, I am not listening to it like that at all. Out of doubt. Because I don't. You know what I mean? I don't never. I don't want to draw any comparison there because, I mean, I said before, too, though, there's some songs from there that are almost too simplistic. And, you know, this is a little bit more of a musician's journey. [01:03:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. 100%. [01:03:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And I don't mean journey the band. I mean, journey did a journey, so. [01:03:39] Speaker C: All right, well, I think we should get to the next song. What do you think? [01:03:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a short record. I mean, it's less than. [01:03:47] Speaker C: So the next one's hustler. And Hustler is Ansley Dunsboard lyrics, which is weird. Greg Riley music. Greg Riley vocals. So here we go. [01:03:58] Speaker D: Hustlere. I am crazy with passion never be tired mama's not good to me? Cause lovin's my game don't need no trouble shouting no pain. [01:04:51] Speaker C: Hey, a little bit untempered. We haven't had any upsempo at all. [01:04:54] Speaker B: Yeah, this is good. [01:04:55] Speaker C: Yeah. I like this. [01:04:56] Speaker B: My new favorite. Now. [01:04:57] Speaker C: Is it cool? [01:04:59] Speaker B: I'm liking it. Kind of got that little bit white sneaky deep purple. [01:05:05] Speaker C: Mm hmm. Oh, yeah, I was thinking that. Yeah, it is deep purple, isn't it? [01:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That in there. I mean, it goes to show, right? Hey, if we want to rock, we can fucking rock. So. Because I think like Hustler, what are you gonna do with a name like Hustler? [01:05:17] Speaker C: Yeah, this is true. [01:05:19] Speaker B: Unless it's like, I see h u s t l e r, hustle. [01:05:24] Speaker C: So the verse is, I get beside my woman. All men desire crazy with passion I'll never be tired money's no good to me because loving's my game I don't need no trouble and I'll show you no pain hustler and then, you know, crazy music stuff, which I like. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Cool. [01:05:41] Speaker C: All right. [01:06:00] Speaker D: Lock up your women like you know you should. [01:06:24] Speaker C: All right, I'm going to read lyrics before the solo happens. I have a feeling this little is going to be long. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:29] Speaker C: All right. I move like a lover so silent and swift screaming women love me just can't resist I can't be bought your payoffs, no good. So lock up your women like you know you should. This is like the first song that's like this. Yeah, but I mean, it's not bad, though. I kind of like. Yeah, I like all the music. Yeah, it's like a deep purple kind of white snake kind of mashup. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I. Cool. I hear subtlety. I'm just gonna back it up a little bit. Here we go. [01:08:49] Speaker B: I gotta tell you, like, it's songs like this where growing up, listening to rock and metal, you say, like, I should know this song. You know what I mean? Like, people should have been talking about, hey, if you ever heard Hustler by journey before. Steve Perry. No, check it out. Oh, fuck. That shit's awesome, man. Right? [01:09:08] Speaker C: That's like crazy horse by the Osmonds. [01:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:12] Speaker C: Same kind of thing. [01:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that came up on like. All right, let me check this out. Yeah, that shit is awesome. But I'm saying, like, even last week, too, we were talking about, like, even that howling wolf kind of the COVID that they did from cactus. Right. You have just. Just some songs that you feel like when you hear them, you're like, how have I never heard this song before? [01:09:32] Speaker C: That's what I feel with this right now. [01:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah, this is just straight up power, man. [01:09:35] Speaker C: The solo never ended. See, I told you it was gonna be long. It just continued to go. And that's definitely nothing you would ever hear him do now. Never. [01:09:42] Speaker B: But it was good, though. [01:09:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it was really good. Like cool, interesting stuff. Yeah, and the drums were awesome, too. Oh, my God, he's so good. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I liked the rhythm that they were doing. [01:09:52] Speaker C: And we're not talking a lot about Ross, Valerie. But he's really good on this, too. He's holding that whole thing down for him to be able to do all this stuff. And the keyboard's obviously good, too. And it's an interesting thing. But about, you know, he's the hustler. Yeah, lock your women up. All right, why don't you go first? [01:10:07] Speaker B: I mean, the lyrics. Oh, my God. I'll say a four on the lyrics. I mean, this isn't about the lyrics, but I think I'm gonna say eight on everything else. I mean, I did, like, the melody, the music was awesome. The production, it was loud, but it was just right at the line where it wasn't distorted, which is perfect. And, I mean, the arrangement was simple. I mean, there really wasn't. It's not a complicated song per se, but it's just. It's just straight up. I mean, it's short, too, right? How long was that song? [01:10:36] Speaker C: 316. [01:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's a short song, but it's just straight power. You know what I mean? It just never lets up. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm gonna go, like I said, the lyrics, whatever. But, yeah, I'm gonna go eight across the board for everything else. What do you think? [01:10:50] Speaker C: I'm gonna give him a little bit more on the lyrics. I'm gonna give him five and eight on everything else. Yeah. No, I mean, this is my favorite song. [01:10:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. This is awesome. [01:10:59] Speaker C: And, you know, it's like you said, it's like, how did we not hear this? And you know what? We didn't even rate this as high as the other stuff, which is kind of funny. Unless my thing is off. I'll have to double check it. But. But, yeah, it's just. It's. It's a. It's just a good. It's the song they needed. But this is a good way to start the second side off because the first side is kind of little sketchy about we where. Who sequenced this thing? Because probably should have started the whole record off with this. [01:11:27] Speaker B: You think so? I don't know. Because then you would have been like, hmm. [01:11:31] Speaker C: Well, I don't know what the rest of it's like. [01:11:33] Speaker B: And again, not that the other stuff is bad, but that's. I mean, as an opening track. Yeah, it's pretty damn true. [01:11:41] Speaker C: So next is Dunbar, Raleigh, Heidi Cogdell. Music by Raleigh and Sean. And Raleigh is singing again. So here we go. So another one word thing next. So it's the title track. All right, here we go. That was a very great intro. [01:13:09] Speaker B: Oh, my God. You know what that reminds me of? That riff. Remember Sesame Street? 1234-5678 910 eleven next time they play it, sing that in your hand. [01:13:20] Speaker C: Don't want you do that to me for. [01:13:21] Speaker B: I'm telling you. I mean, it's awesome. It's really good. Really strong. [01:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know what's gonna be happening here at the verse, though, because it sounds like it's gonna get a little mellow. I know. [01:13:31] Speaker B: Quieted down. I was like, oh, don't quiet down. But who knows? [01:13:34] Speaker C: Well, maybe they'll kick it back up into the chorus again. Maybe that's why they're doing it, probably. [01:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I just hope the melody is strong, you know what I mean? [01:13:40] Speaker C: Again, super drumming, man. Holy fuck. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah, they. Yeah, it's nice that he got a lot of good space in this. So. Yeah, this is like. [01:13:50] Speaker C: Damn, again, like, we don't know this stuff. So it's just so funny. Like, you're like, how did that. How did this skip us for like 40, 50 years? You know what I mean? That's so crazy. All right, here we go. [01:14:10] Speaker D: Thinking of you, wondering what you're doing now we're alive. No use crying she just have reaching out memories go fill in dreams. You used to be here, so good to be. I can't live without you. I love you in your fantasy face. And part of you. [01:15:15] Speaker C: Is that double bass? [01:15:16] Speaker B: I think so. Wow. I'm not crazy about the melody, but, I mean, the music is really good. [01:15:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I really like the music. [01:15:24] Speaker B: I was expecting, though. You know what, though? For nothing else, I was expecting musicianship to be good on this record. [01:15:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I wasn't. I didn't know what the songs are gonna be like, but I figured music wise, it had to be good. [01:15:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:15:39] Speaker C: All right, so. Sitting in the corner of a room thinking of you wondering what you're doing now we're apart no use crying. Tears can't reach you now. Memories, fulfilling dreams. You used to be so good to me I can't live without you. I'd like to be in your fantasy, baby part of you is me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. [01:15:59] Speaker B: I love when they tweet the. Whoa. [01:16:02] Speaker C: No, I know. I don't hate the lyrics in here. I think the lyrics a little bit better than some of the other stuff, too. Yeah, it's bad melodies, huh? But the lyrics, not bad. [01:16:12] Speaker B: I know, it's like, what are we talking about, too? Where it was last week, right? Cactus was like, the melodies weren't always the greatest. But then, like, when some music kicked in, it's like, man, if these guys just played some instrumentals, it would be fucking awesome. [01:16:25] Speaker C: Yeah. All right, so here we go. Let's continue. [01:16:44] Speaker D: Walking across the clouds. Hope I see you there. [01:16:51] Speaker B: Be a. [01:16:51] Speaker D: Day on nighttime, do the weekend. I hope you see me too before I make my sometimes go your life away I know I can pretend you used to be a world so good to be baby, I can't live without you I'd like to be in your fantasy baby, how could you? [01:17:50] Speaker C: I'm just gonna pause here before we get to the next break, whatever it's gonna be. So the verse is walking across the clouds. Hope I see you there be a day or night time I don't really care hope you see me, too before I meet my end someone stole my life away I can't pretend so I'm not too sure exactly. Is this another thing about someone dying, maybe? I don't know. [01:18:13] Speaker B: I mean, it definitely sounds like losing somebody one way or another, right? Either breaking up or. [01:18:19] Speaker C: Yeah. And the drums are so good on this. Holy crap. They're giving him a lot of room. [01:18:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's definitely a good drummer. [01:18:26] Speaker C: And you almost could. You almost could hear Steve Perry singing this, really? Especially on the chorus part. Like, it needs a stronger vocal, I think. And that's where I think maybe it's missing. Like, they're trying to get into this area. I mean, this still has a little bit of Prague into it, though. [01:18:40] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. [01:18:42] Speaker C: Yeah. But you can hear what they're trying to do. [01:18:44] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:18:45] Speaker C: All right, let's continue it. [01:19:21] Speaker D: Sadeena. Sadeena. [01:20:35] Speaker B: That's it. [01:20:37] Speaker C: I like that secondary riff they came up with at the end, too. And I did hear the fucking Sesame street fucking thing. [01:20:44] Speaker B: You heard it, right? [01:20:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Putting that in my head now. [01:20:51] Speaker B: Still a good riff, though. It was a good riff back then, too. I don't know which came first. [01:20:59] Speaker C: This is very. This is very good. [01:21:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:02] Speaker C: All right, so why don't you, once you go first. [01:21:06] Speaker B: Lyrics. I'll say six on the lyrics. I mean, they're kind of. See, it's hard. So I didn't like it as much as the one before, but there were elements that I thought were just as good. So. All right. I mean, musicianship. I have to give it an eight again. I mean, it's really good. So Melody. Melody was. Okay. Let's say he's fixing the melody. Oh, you know what? I'm gonna say an eight on the arrangement again. I mean, there were two, three really different parts of the song, at least, that they really melded together well. So, I mean, I have to give it to. For that production. And. 08:00 a.m. i missing anything or. [01:21:46] Speaker C: No. You were good. You got everything. You got. [01:21:49] Speaker B: I think I got it all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a really. I mean, you know, again, sometimes you talk about these one two punches, and these songs are completely, completely different from each other, but they're still so strong. What do you think? [01:22:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I think we're putting the exactly the same place. 6688. So six on melody, six on lyrics, eight on musicianship, and then eight on arrangement and eight on production. Production has been great throughout the whole thing. They did a great job producing themselves. [01:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You want to talk about band? [01:22:22] Speaker C: You know, a lot of times they can't do that. [01:22:25] Speaker B: We've. We've known bands that don't produce themselves as well, but these guys did it well. [01:22:32] Speaker C: No, yeah, it's awesome. Like, I can't really even come. I can't really complain. It's so good. And to hear. Again, to hear him stretch out, they hear him do, like, those fast triplet like things on the guitar is, like, great. [01:22:44] Speaker B: I'm surprised there's no keyboard solos, though, right? There's no. [01:22:48] Speaker C: A little bit, but not much. [01:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm saying it's really his show when it comes to the soloing, I would expect something. Some organ solos or something, but it's really. Or even some combo, maybe. [01:22:59] Speaker C: I mean, there's some of that stuff, but not a lot. Well, next track is instrumental. It's called nickel and dime. So let's see what they do with this now. Let's see. Let's see if they prog themselves out on this. Gotta be curious to know. All right, here we go. So what Christmas on was that that just came on? [01:24:11] Speaker B: Oh, is it? I was. [01:24:13] Speaker C: You didn't hear that? [01:24:14] Speaker B: Oh, see? No, I didn't. Are you thinking these are the. [01:24:17] Speaker C: These are a few of my favorite things. Oh. [01:24:24] Speaker B: What do you call it? The sound of music. [01:24:27] Speaker C: See, there you go. [01:24:29] Speaker B: I thought you were going to say, like, kind of stretched out, but, I. [01:24:33] Speaker C: Mean, this is definitely just gonna be, like, a progress. [01:24:37] Speaker B: It's cool. It's got the jazzy stuff in there, you know, like, at this point, like. [01:24:41] Speaker C: The fusion y, I should say a little fusion. Cool. All right, let's continue it. [01:25:49] Speaker D: Radhe. Sadeena. [01:27:04] Speaker C: Well, you got a little bit of your keyboard guitar solo things. [01:27:06] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, this reminds me a lot. [01:27:08] Speaker C: Of rush, I was gonna say, you know, that's what. Yeah, 100%. [01:27:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, you know, this is like chicken and egg stuff, but. [01:27:14] Speaker C: Yeah, but. But was rush doing this stuff at this point, though? [01:27:17] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I'd have to look it up because I was thinking of. I don't remember the timeline exactly, but I would say. Yeah, I want to say yes, but again, I mean, you know, once. Once you get into a genre, right, then you're going to hear things that sound similar anyway. I mean, that's like saying almost in a jazz, this guy kind of sounds like this guy. And, I mean. Okay, well, it's still jazz, so, I mean, obviously rush had the progressive element to it, just like when I was mentioning genesis before. I mean, kind of once you're in that genre. [01:27:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:45] Speaker B: Plus, I mean, obviously two of these guys were in Santana, so it was. [01:27:49] Speaker C: A little jam aspect in that, too, so. [01:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. This is cool, though. I mean, I'm digging it. [01:27:54] Speaker C: It's real cool. All right, we got a little, like 1 minute or so left. Let's finish it out. Here we go. I liked it. They've been killing it on this side. [01:28:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. It's a really strong side. Yeah. I mean, again, the first one wasn't bad either. [01:29:04] Speaker C: No, but it's different stuff, though. [01:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah. First I was pretty mellow, and this is just. Hey. [01:29:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I wish someone would have sequenced this a little bit different, I think. [01:29:15] Speaker B: You know? I mean. Yeah, we always say that. Right. But, I mean, I guess sometimes maybe it's just listening wise, it's when you got these songs straight through, you're always like, yeah, you know what? This is cool. I'm kind of glad. This is good. This is good. This is good. [01:29:28] Speaker C: Mm hmm. Well, I'm gonna give musicianship, arrangement, production at eight, because I think it's really. It's super strong, especially for what the genre it is and what it was, you know, I mean, and that progressive genre of this timeframe, I think it's a super strong, super strong instrumental. He's going crazy. I mean, drums, too. It's just ridiculously high musicianship in this. [01:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah. My God. Hates on. Yeah. Make it easy. Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. I was never bored. I was. You know, I could have kept going. [01:29:57] Speaker C: I could have kept this good. All right, so we're at the end. This is the last song called karma. Lyrics by Ansley duns bar. Music by raleigh and sean and Neil. Sean is singing this. [01:30:10] Speaker B: Nice. [01:30:10] Speaker C: So I don't know if I've ever heard him sing before. So I don't even know. Guess we're gonna see. This is like five minutes. So let's see. Let's see what he does. I'm curious how they're going to end it up. Are they going to end it up strong I hope so. Here we go. Oh, by the way, he already sang a song on this. I didn't realize it. I would find you as Neil. Sean. Now makes sense because it sounded a little different, and now it's. That's why. I mean, he sounds pretty good. [01:31:22] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, listen, this had a kind. This had to be consciously done. I mean, every song on this side is, like, powerful. [01:31:28] Speaker C: Mm hmm. Yeah, the riffs go on this. [01:31:30] Speaker B: This isn't one of those. And, I mean, this had to be like. Listen, one side like this and one side like that. Let's do it like that. [01:31:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it seems like it. [01:31:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:38] Speaker C: All right, here we go. [01:31:58] Speaker D: A child. Well, how long will it last? You know my moment hard for you. Baby, baby, baby. I wanna tell ya what you. I can. You always have a way. Won't you find a place to say. Would you find a place to stay? You all with a mind of. [01:33:58] Speaker C: I gotta read some lyrics here because I think I'm way behind, but I'm gonna read both things together. I think some of this is incorrect, but I'll read what. It's here anyway. Oh, baby. Your face is dark and your eyes are wild. Oh, baby. You look to me as if you're still a child. Your innocence to me is so hard to believe. Just a spell in my past. Tell me how long will you last. Oh, baby. You stole my lonely heart for you. Oh, baby. I want to tell you what you can do. I no longer care about the things we share. You always had your way. Once you find a place to stay. Once you find a place to stay. Why don't you find a place to stay? Continues through that. He doesn't sound bad. No, jerita, I've never really listened to how he sings. You know what I mean? I've never really. I never paid attention. [01:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess once you get, like, a Steve Perry in your band. Yeah, I'm gonna sit back and shut up and play guitar. [01:34:49] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty much. What do you think so far? Do you like it? [01:34:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's pretty strong. [01:34:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. It's just so weird. The side is so much different. [01:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, again, this is like. This is something we've. We should have listened to and probably could have listened to, but someone would. [01:35:09] Speaker C: Have to have shown this to us, though. We would never have known to find this ourselves. [01:35:13] Speaker B: You probably would have thought about it, right? Because even when you knew journey, sometimes if you didn't go digging, you probably wouldn't even know that they had this going on. Just because the journey with Steve Perry was just so massive, right? Yeah, so big. [01:35:27] Speaker C: So that's crazy. Alrighty, here we go. Let's see. We haven't had a soul or anything yet in the song. I'm surprised. [01:35:33] Speaker B: No, no, it's probably coming. [01:35:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. All right, here we go. [01:37:30] Speaker B: That was funny. I was like. That was a quick ending. Oh, wait, wait, wait. No. Oh. [01:37:36] Speaker C: Oh, that's weird. [01:37:38] Speaker B: What a tease. [01:37:39] Speaker C: I don't know if that was necessary. [01:37:41] Speaker B: I know. That was just a tease. I think a little fun for the band. [01:37:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that was pretty good, too. [01:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [01:37:48] Speaker C: I mean, again, this is an album like we wouldn't know to listen to unless someone showed us. It's just. And who knows if anyone we listened to who knew us were older listened to this either. We don't know. [01:38:00] Speaker B: I mean, listen, I know my cousin had. If nothing else, I want to say he had. That was old, the one before this one, but, yeah, listen, I mean, this is why we do this stuff and we always talk about discovery, rediscovery. This is definitely. I mean, again, we knew these albums were out there, right? You know, this stuff was out there before Steve Harry Jordan band. You knew kind of what it was supposed to sound like, but it's. Again, sometimes it's just like, you either do it or you don't do it. You always say to yourself, I've always said to myself, oh, I'm always curious to see what. What the other stuff sounded like. But I never went down that rabbit hole. And now it's like, cool. So now. Now I say to myself, if journey ever comes up again, I hope it's one of these. [01:38:51] Speaker C: Yeah. I always thought we were going to get one of these albums, though. [01:38:55] Speaker B: I figured that, too. We're going to get journey, we're going to get this where we're going to get something sand Steve Perry, which is fine because we know that stuff already, right? Even if you don't know every song, you know a lot of it. And not that it's bad, but, yeah, I mean, this is the stuff where it's like, oh, shit, you know, I'm fucking, you know, half a century and I finally heard some journey and I'm like, shit, I've. Where was this? [01:39:27] Speaker C: I know. [01:39:28] Speaker B: I mean, it was there, right? It was there. [01:39:30] Speaker C: But, yeah, again, you would have to have someone to tell us. Unfortunately. It's just the way it is. All right, so why don't you go first? [01:39:38] Speaker B: I mean, lyrics, they're okay. They form the lyrics or a little whatever. I like the melody, though. I'm trying to think if I'm gonna go. I think I'm gonna go sevens across the board. Maybe eight on production. Actually, I'm gonna give an eight on arrangement. No, I'll say seven. I'm gonna. I'm gonna keep this one a little bit lower. I mean, saying that it's my least favorite on the side is like saying, I don't know, but again, it's a great song. So, I mean, this is a really, really strong side. So what do you think? [01:40:17] Speaker C: Yeah, it's weird. The. Usually the second side is not the strong side, but. But in this case, yes, 100%. I think I'm going to do the same exact thing for all the sevens and then eight on production. I just think it, instead of making the metal side and the hard side, they would have mixed it up a little bit. I think it would have been better off. [01:40:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, it's. Again, it's had to be consciously done. It's. It has to be because, I mean, these songs are so just in your face. And again, the first time isn't bad either. I mean, I. You know what I mean? This is another one I'd like to revisit at some point. Just kind of. [01:40:50] Speaker C: It's a little mellower. [01:40:50] Speaker B: Let it play. [01:40:54] Speaker C: Well, I'm glad we got this. That's two albums in a row that is short. We get to spin again. Wow. [01:41:02] Speaker B: I don't think we've ever had two in a row, right? Yeah, I don't think we've ever had two in a row like this. [01:41:06] Speaker C: The wheels giving us. Thrown us a bone. [01:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah, they were both pretty good. [01:41:11] Speaker C: It's the time to seventies, you know what I mean? And everything is kind of short because of the. Because of the medium of vinyl, you know, I mean, you don't have long albums, so you can get albums like this. So we had two likes. This is 77, the other was 71. Like, it's all the same kind of stuff, so. But, yeah, two albums that we never would have listened to on our offensive probably are on our own. And we got cactus and journey. And the journey we get is this journey, which is great because, like you said, it's a read, it's a discovery, not even a rediscovery. [01:41:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:39] Speaker C: All right, why don't you do your thing? [01:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So we are part of the Deep Dive podcast network again. Great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want more individualized podcasts, I don't think journey's on there, but pretty much everything else. You name it, Rush, Judas Priest. We always mentioned them. Everybody's there. And what do you call it? You got Zeppelin, you got Van Halen, you got Tom Petty. You name it, it's there. So check them out, Mark. Where can they find us on the interweb? [01:42:05] Speaker C: And also, by the way, I think pot of Thunder is now on the Deep Dive podcast network. [01:42:10] Speaker B: Oh, nice. That's a pretty popular podcast. [01:42:13] Speaker C: Yeah, that's good. So, yes, rock roulette pod on all the platforms. Rockletpodcast.com put in. Go to rockrullettepodcast.com and put in a new bets song for us to do and set us for auto download and so you can get the latest episodes when we put them out. And. Yeah, it's a great album. I'm glad we got this. It's awesome. Hopefully everyone else enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed it and you discovered something that you didn't know existed either. [01:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, like I said, we knew these albums were out there, obviously, but just, it's. Sometimes you sit there like, what am I gonna listen to? [01:42:56] Speaker C: Yeah. And here it is, something that was there, but no one probably listens to as much as the other stuff, so. All right, guys, we will see you next week and we'll get to spin it again. [01:43:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Ciao. Ciao. [01:43:07] Speaker C: Later.