Episode 174 - Great Van Fleet - From the Fires - Part 1

[00:00:04] Speaker A: This is our musical reaction breakdown and commentary analysis of this song. Under Fair use, we intend no copyright infringement and this is not a replacement for listening to the artist's music. The content made available on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only, notwithstanding a copyright owner's rights under the Copyright Act. Section 107 of the Copyright act allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders for purposes such as education, criticism, comment, news, reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. These so called fair uses are permitted even if the use of the work would otherwise be infringing. Now onto the Roc Roulette Podcast. [00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign. [00:01:14] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1,700 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. Every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast. And every everyone who takes this trip with us every week of discovery and Rediscovery, we really want to thank you. The numbers have been consistent. Hopefully we're doing something right. And if we are, drop a line. We've been getting some more feedback. Take one from Brazil, which is so awesome I already mentioned his name. We are a duo. Tonight we have Mark. Oh hi Mark. [00:01:51] Speaker C: What's up guys? [00:01:52] Speaker A: And I'm Seb. [00:01:53] Speaker C: Ciao Buena Sira. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Last week we wrapped up Sound of White Noise by Anthrax. Overall, a pretty decent album. I think we kind of criticized the melodies a little bit, but there were a lot of changes in the music and I thought some really good riffs throughout the songs. Pretty well. Well produced, coincidentally by the same producer who produced Dirt, which is the one we did the week before. That was unintentional completely, but it happens. So Mark, as a non Anthrax person, you dug it. [00:02:18] Speaker C: I thought it was a good album for me to step into. It wasn't just thrash, had a little grunge, a little alternative. It was a 90s album, which I really liked. I thought that some melodies were a little tough and some of the parts were a little jammed together a little bit. I thought it was pretty good. I think it got decent score. Me and Frank kind of liked it. Frank and I think we were surprised that we liked it as much as we did. [00:02:37] Speaker A: You go in hearing Anthrax and you know what to expect. I knew because I did have it. I know there were at least two or three songs that they played pretty commonly on rock radio. I'm glad we got it. And we never had anthrax, so this was a good stepping point, I think, for you guys. This is actually the first show for the new year, which is great. We get to spin the wheel for the new year. Before we do that, we have the New Bets, but we're pulling an audible in a world where new music is. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Not easy to find. Welcome to New Bets. [00:03:16] Speaker C: So what we're gonna do is Stanley Simmons Body Down. That's Evan Stanley and Nick Simmons, the children of Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons have a band together now, which really makes a lot of sense if you think about it. I just think that it's a smart move if you're those kids. Kisses decided to retire technically from touring. Kiss Landlocked in vases notwithstand. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Do you know who plays what, who sings, who does what in the group? [00:03:42] Speaker C: Well, I know Evan Stanley plays guitar. I don't think Nick Simmons plays anything that I know of. I don't know. They both sing. The question is what it's going to be like. I have no clue. I haven't heard it yet. This is going to be really cold for us and really fresh. [00:03:55] Speaker A: Curious. [00:03:56] Speaker C: I'm curious, too. This is Stanley Simmons. Body down. [00:04:17] Speaker B: I don't know where. [00:04:26] Speaker A: We go. [00:04:30] Speaker B: When my body feeds the ground you know I'll still be around on the other side of every me. Down. Shadow fall voices go echoing into the night Hear the whisper in the pines Follow through the eye of every storm. End of days in your grave that can hold my body down no more faith that can hold my grounding down Handle grace and no grace that can hold my body down no more faith and no grave that can hold my body down. It's sam. Body down and taste. Ain't no grave that can hold my body down Come faith ain't no brave that can hold my body down. Hold my body down. [00:07:38] Speaker A: Hold my body down that wasn't what I was expecting. That was kind of interesting. My only real criticism is maybe had they said the chorus a little less. I found that actually pretty interesting. The drums, whenever they were in, they actually sounded pretty good. The toms and the fills that were going on, it was mixed pretty well. Not too bad. What'd you think? [00:07:58] Speaker C: It wasn't what I was expecting. It's very 70s Simon Garfunkel. [00:08:03] Speaker A: I was gonna say America. The vocals reminded me a lot of America. [00:08:07] Speaker C: Well, that too. I don't know if I Like them always singing together. I hope that's not going to always be what happens. It wasn't bad. It was pretty good, actually. [00:08:15] Speaker A: It was pretty interesting. I was geared up for some 80s sounding metal, I think. But who knows what the rest of it sounds like? I don't know. There was a tinge of Paul Stanley too there. I almost heard him in the background. I don't know if his son sounds like him, but some of the phrasing of it pretty. Pretty interesting. I give them credit. [00:08:34] Speaker C: Sounds like you were surprised. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Were you expecting that? No, I didn't even know it was out, honestly. [00:08:39] Speaker C: Just came across my feed. Oh, we have to do this. I think the song is good. His guitar playing is good. I thought it was really good. And I did like the drum sound. It didn't sound fake or very processed. It sounded fairly natural, which I like. I was expecting more of a hard rock thing, I guess that would be too easy to do that. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Who knows what the rest of it sounds like? Maybe they're like, hey, let's just put something out. Weird. I'm interested now. Do you know when it comes out, the full record? [00:09:02] Speaker C: No, I don't, not offhand. [00:09:03] Speaker A: It'll go on the wheel. I know that. [00:09:04] Speaker C: Oh yeah, definitely will go on the wheel. Let us know if you like it or if you don't like it and let's rubber stamp it. Here we go. [00:09:10] Speaker A: In a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to New Bets. That's a way to start off the show. And speaking of shows and first shows, we get to spin the mambo wheel. Now, do you want to make any prediction or request of her? [00:09:36] Speaker C: I'm going to go back to my 70s thing. I'd like to have some 70s of some sort. I don't really know what 70s is. What I'm picking. [00:09:43] Speaker A: I have an odd request because I was watching some videos recently. I was thinking of a band that we know, but an album where they change their style. It'd be something like that where they try to do something different to see whether or not we like that new direction. I know it's odd request, but you never know. [00:09:58] Speaker C: The wheel does its own thing, so who knows? So you're ready? [00:10:01] Speaker A: I'm ready. [00:10:02] Speaker C: Okay, here we go. Here is the whee. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Well, she kind of listened to you. Greta Van Fleet from the Fires. [00:10:29] Speaker C: Oh, boy. [00:10:30] Speaker A: Man, I've heard a lot of one thing about this band. [00:10:33] Speaker C: I think it's true. I've heard a bunch of songs from them. I think it's well deserved the reasoning why people say the stuff that they say. I don't know where they stand as far as their influence. Do they really say that's the major influence or is just a little bit. I'm curious to see if all the songs sound the same way. I always thought when I listened to them that they picked a very specific time of Led Zeppelin to copy. It's not as broad as Led Zeppelin is. One is different than two, different than three. At least that's what I always thought. [00:11:04] Speaker A: I think I may have heard one or two songs. I never went down this rabbit hole. Definitely what I've heard. Very Zeppelin esque. I never listened to the rest of it. So maybe there's some hidden gems on here. [00:11:14] Speaker C: It is possible. This is 2017. It actually did fairly good as far as an album goes. At that time frame. I think it was fairly high in the ratings. If I remember correctly. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Well, their name was out and about for a while. They were pretty big by word of mouth. From what I remember. Everybody was talking about these guys and not only for the comparison. People really liking them. [00:11:36] Speaker C: I think whatever criticism they got, they deserve the criticism. If you're writing songs and you know those bands. If we write a song and it sounds like you too, we're going to go, we can't do this. This sounds too much like you too. I can almost be okay with influence sounding. But when it almost sounds exactly like the artist, that's a problem. [00:11:53] Speaker A: I am curious. And if they do sound a lot like it, we have to be able to separate and say, okay, yes, this sounds. But is it a good song? We'll see if we can do that. [00:12:04] Speaker C: I don't know if I can do that. It's not that easy. Why would you want to copy someone so exactly? I just don't understand that. Like I said, this did pretty good. It sold gold in 2017, which I think is really good for these days. Number 12 on the rock and alternative airplay. Hot rock and alternative songs 25 hot rock. There's so many of these things. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Holy moly. [00:12:26] Speaker C: This is a compilation of their first EP and they added another four songs. A couple of covers on here. It's gonna be an interesting thing. I think. I'm curious to see if some of the songs I haven't listened to still follow the same pattern as the ones I know. [00:12:37] Speaker A: I don't remember the songs. I don't know them because I heard them because someone else was listening to them. Them. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Let's do it. You ready? Okay. I know this one. This is Safari Song. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Oh, lady when you come on down Would you come on down? I said, my child oh, mama when you come on down Won't you come on down? Oh, lady won't you move my way? Can't you move my way? I'm getting. Oh, mama, when you give your love and when you give your love you drive me crazy oh, mama, what you gotta do with all that love in your. Love in your heart oh, mama, when you walk this way why don't you give some love, yeah oh, mama, what you gonna do with all that love in your heart? [00:14:17] Speaker A: I think you put on the wrong album. I think this is that point. [00:14:22] Speaker B: What the hell is even that? [00:14:25] Speaker A: Well, so far the comparisons are justified. That is straight up. What's up, you think? Drums, the vocals, the production, the phrasing, the voice, it all there. [00:14:39] Speaker C: It's too much. He sounds too much like him. His phrasing is too much. He goes into the lower register the same way. I never like that. The timing in that middle part always threw me. I was. It's bad Led Zeppelin. It wants to be Led Zeppelin, but it's not. Is it a bad song? I don't think it's a bad song. I think, unfortunately, since it sounds so much like that, you can't help it be like, fuck this. Why is this even here? [00:15:03] Speaker A: My first go around, I couldn't separate it. I will try, as they say, to listen without prejudice for the rest of it and say, okay, clearly it sounds like something. Let's hit the. No Led Zeppelin. What? I think it was a good song. So that's how I have to try and listen to it. I haven't decided yet. It didn't hook me in because, like, holy cow. I will try to listen and say, okay, well, would I like it as a song if I didn't know who this band was? [00:15:26] Speaker C: I have a question. Yes? Is this more Led Zeppelin than the Kingdom Come song that sounds like Cashmere, or is it just as bad or is it the same? I don't think his vocals were exactly as bad as this, even though they were very similar and the music was almost exactly like Cashmere. [00:15:41] Speaker A: They didn't get away with it then. And some people say, oh, my Kingdom, Common, Zeppelin. I said, well, I don't really know them a lot. I know they're pretty popular. A lot of people praise Kingdom Come. I think it was that one song. It wasn't all their catalog, but they kind of like, oh, this one song sounds like Zeppelin. Just like, you know, Dynasty is a disco album. [00:15:57] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I Have a feeling that there's a lot more of this on here. I doubt this is going to be the only one. [00:16:01] Speaker A: Hey, we have to separate. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know if I can do that. [00:16:05] Speaker A: Telling you, the white and the yolk, you gotta separate it. [00:16:10] Speaker C: Verse 1 oh lady when you come on down Once you come on down I said to my town oh mama, when you come on down Once you come on down I said to my home oh lady, won't you move my way can't you move my way? I'm getting hazy oh mama, when you give your loving when you give your love you drive me crazy Chorus Ah mama, what are you gonna do with all that love in your heart? Ah mama, what you gotta say about that love in your heart? Oh mama when you walk this way you give some loving oh mama, what you're going to do with all that loving in your heart? Generally, I would say if they use Mama in there, I'd be like, oh, that's like a throwback 70s thing. But since it's so Led Zeppelin, I don't like it. It's too much. I'm going to try to be open minded, but I don't know how open minded I can be. Because, you know, if you're writing the song right, and he's singing it that way, if you're in this band and you have any idea that Led Zeppelin exists, you had to go and say, we can't do this. This sounds too much like Led Zeppelin. Maybe we could do the voice. Okay, but can we do the music? Can we get the drums to sound like it too? If they don't admit that this is their biggest influence, they're lying. Because there's no way you're saying, oh, it's only a little bit of my influence. Well, then, what's the rest of it? The drums sound awesome. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Drums sound like John Bonham. [00:17:17] Speaker C: Well, the sound sounds like John Bonham. He's not John Bonham. It's not bad. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Oh, fine. [00:17:21] Speaker C: This is three brothers and a friend or a cousin. What is that? [00:17:24] Speaker A: Yes, the two twin brothers, I think. Another brother and a friend, I believe. I think the drummer could be the friend, but I'm not sure. [00:17:31] Speaker C: Let's continue. Here we go. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Oh, see mama when you shine your shining bright Give your giving rise really wanna, wanna go See mama When your heart is in its place See that smiling face is all I wanna do See mama Every time that you want here is when you've gone off do you never wanna come back Home Mama, what you gotta do with all that love in your Ah. Mama, what you gotta say about that Love me when you go this way why don't you give some love. [00:18:43] Speaker A: What'd you think of the solo? [00:18:46] Speaker C: Did you hear the vocal when it came back out? [00:18:48] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:18:49] Speaker C: Holy. I don't hate the music. That's the worst part about this. [00:18:53] Speaker A: I don't. It's a silly, infectious song. It's not a song that you're gonna listen to for the words. Crank it in the car and pound on the wheel a little bit. Who am I pounding to to? I think that's the question, right? [00:19:05] Speaker C: Uhhuh. If you didn't know a lot of Led Zeppelin, let's just say you a very casual Led Zeppelin fan. You don't own any records. You know one or two songs by then. If this comes on, you think this is Led Zeppelin. The songwriting is not as good. I don't think he's as good a songwriter as Jimmy Page is. It's not bad. And I'd like the production. There's things I want to like about this. The vocal and the delivery just throws me totally right off. [00:19:28] Speaker A: If this had an older style production and it came on the radio, I'd be like, wait a second, is it. I don't know that I would necessarily say, oh, yeah, this is Zeppelin. You kind of know it's not them. It sounds like them. And that thing at the end of the solo to that. If they cop to it, cool. If you cop to it and say, listen, we're fucking massive Zeppelin fans. We want to sound like Zeppelin. Here's what we have. People ate it up. I heard this band name mentioned many times. They were definitely popular. And it wasn't only because of this comparison. People really dig them. [00:19:59] Speaker C: I think people were just starved for a little bit of rock music and this came out. You don't need this. Just throw Led Zeppelin on because it's better than this. I don't see the reasoning. And from what I gather, they don't really cop that much to this. He says that he wasn't really going for a Robert Plant sound. Come on, man. Really? Are you going to really say that? [00:20:16] Speaker A: Well, if he says, I wasn't really going for it, but that's what came out. If you say, oh, you know, if I'm singing, it's like, oh, well, I didn't really try to sound like Bono, but that's what came out. I understand that. [00:20:27] Speaker C: In March 2018 interview, Plant said of Greta Van Fleet, they are Led Zeppelin. 1 and described Josh as a beautiful little singer. Yeah, because he sounds like you when you could sing. He wants to be you. He may not cop to this. We've written songs and went, no, can't do that. I can't write this song. And this is how I know. Because I was watching an interview with Zach Wilde and he was saying that when he went to go play with Ozzy, he had to determine what guitar stuff he was going to do because Jakey Lee did stuff like that. So I can't do this. And Randy Rose did stuff like that. And I can't do that because Randy did that. If he had foresight to know that he couldn't do those things. And he had to make his own style in Ozzy because he had no choice. You're telling me these guys didn't put this on and go, this is too much Led Zeppelin? If you took his voice and maybe took different music, maybe it wouldn't be as bad. But you throw the music and the drum sound and the voice and how I'm going to play coming out of that solo again into the next thing. I have to play it again just because. But I'm going to read words and then I'll play it. Verse 2. See mama got to feel your everything I feel you everything I really want to know. See mama when you shine you're shining bright Give your given right I want our love to grow. See mama when your heart's in its place See that smiling face it's all I want to do See mama every time that you are near it's when you're going to fear you're never going to want to come back home. Then the chorus and the solo, which wasn't horrible. And then this. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Don't make me bleed. I gave you all a man could give and you still walked out on me. [00:22:10] Speaker C: I had to stop it. Did you hear the hi hat thing? [00:22:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker C: Other part that came out of it. Holy. We might as well just said AI, write me a Led Zeppelin song. [00:22:19] Speaker A: This would be a pretty damn good AI version of a Zeppelin song. [00:22:23] Speaker C: I almost wish it was an AI version. It may make me feel better. [00:22:26] Speaker B: How are like to suck my balls? [00:22:30] Speaker A: I do like the vibe of the chorus. That's where it grabs me. I bought my head to it and then stopped thinking. We are going to have to separate this or else you're going to give this whole threes every song. [00:22:42] Speaker C: Threes. Holy I. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Or give it fours for Zeppelin 4 or Zeppelin 3. [00:22:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Or Zeppelin 2. [00:22:49] Speaker C: Oh, boy. Okay, let's continue I'm going to back this up again so we can hear that Holy. All right. [00:22:55] Speaker B: All I need don't make me big now, baby, don't make me bleed I gave you all a man could give and you still walk out on me what you going to do with all that love in your mama? What you got to say about that loving? Your heart Mama, when you walk this way why don't you give some love? What you gonna do with all that love in your heart? Your heart, Your heart, Your heart, Your heart. [00:24:02] Speaker A: The Leaf guitar, I know it has that effect going on. It. It's very low in the mix too, right? I mean, I know it's on the left side there. I don't pay attention if it was only on the left side during the actual solo. But there at the end it was. Was. I wish that too was a little bit louder. I actually like what he played better there than in the middle. You're speechless. [00:24:21] Speaker C: I really don't know what to say. [00:24:22] Speaker A: Are there any more words or no? [00:24:24] Speaker C: Yeah, there's just one more bridge part. Do I have to go first? I'm going to read the words and I'm going to go. I have to get this off my chest. That bridge part is. Do you remember what I said When I get down on my knees? Got to get your loving, baby Loving's all I need, need don't make me beg now, baby don't make me bleed I gave you all a man could give and you still walked out on me. I don't even think the words are horrible. [00:24:49] Speaker A: The words are very Zeppelin esque too. [00:24:52] Speaker C: Yes. Well, maybe that's why. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Hey mama. [00:24:54] Speaker C: All right. Lyrics to melody zero. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Wow. [00:24:59] Speaker C: Musicianship. I'm gonna throw him a bone and say five Arrangement two Production seven. I have to ding it in the places where they're just copying something else. When your vocalist basically just takes all the good parts of Robert Plant and just stick in the song and then you come out of the solo with that piece and go, oh, yeah, this is fine. We could just do this. No one's going to give a. This is plagiarism. Not that they copied the song exactly and just put their name on it. It's just they basically took the whole style and just said it. We're going to be Led Zeppelin Z. [00:25:29] Speaker A: But it could be like you said when people were starving for it. Do you remember, like when Jet came out and they had those two songs we actually. We used to play are you going to be my girl? And that other big hit they had all Right. They're not bad songs. This isn't something new. People were just, like, all over it. Okay. And I remember, I think somebody I knew said, oh, man. But just rock and roll, like, that's it. There's nothing to it. I see that Point of it. [00:25:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Lyrics. 3. I mean, the lyrics are just scats. I don't think. Oh, God. Music. I'll say a five on the music, a five on the melody. I like the chorus production. I'll say a seven as well. I would say a five on the arrangement. And I'm giving it better scores than you. I can. I can bop to the chorus. Hound my hand on the wheel. If I'm blasting this in the car. [00:26:13] Speaker C: You know why that is? Because it's Led Zeppelin. That's. I don't think you can give them a free pass here. I gave a little bit on the musicianship because I don't think it was horrible. Why don't we say, okay, we're going to take all the Led Zeppelin things that we know how to do and we're going to stick them in this song. We're going to use the same kind of inflection in our voice and the melody. And they can say whatever they want about. We didn't want this to sound that way. I wasn't looking to sound that way. But there's no way you didn't know this sounded like this. You did this freaking. You'll get away with it. And people are so starved for rock music. They would take this and be, okay, they were right. [00:26:44] Speaker A: We're going to sound like Zeppelin. Other people are going to eat it up or they're going to spit us out. They ate it up. I don't really hear their name mentioned a lot now, but I would say for a good, what, five, six years? [00:26:54] Speaker C: Yeah, they haven't done a record since 2023. [00:26:56] Speaker A: They were definitely the suit du jour. [00:26:58] Speaker C: Okay, here we go. This is Edge of Darkness. [00:27:28] Speaker B: Every day, Every way. On the edge of darkness Finding out what it means to love and to think we found the time all my brothers we stand for the beast of the meaning Caring my front army of what I am reading all my brothers we stand for the beast of the land is their meaning. [00:28:38] Speaker A: I don't think this one sounds like that one. I like the music. It's reminiscent. It's got a little bit of Kiss in there, too. I feel little Neil Young. I do not like the way he sings this, though, honestly. It sounds like he's joking around. I miss Robert Plant in this his inflection and the weirdness, it doesn't fit. That one part he did, which is. And to think we found the time on that was really Robert Plant. I say to myself, you can sing in that register. Why not give it some soul? I think this song with a little bit of soul would be a really good song. I think the music is pretty good. I'm not taking the way he's using his voice. [00:29:11] Speaker C: I had a little hope at the beginning because I didn't think it sounded as much like Led Zeppelin. But then that last line. I think we found the time. And even there's some parts of the chorus. The way he phrases it, it's just too reminiscent. I think it's more him. The first song, there's parts of music that are Led Zeppelin. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Oh, yes. But listen to the drums. The drums don't sound the same way in this song. [00:29:31] Speaker C: No. The bass playing is pretty good on here. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Thanks for reminding me in the first one, too. Whatever he was doing, I want to say the bass player right now is my guy. I'm really digging what he's playing in Bolt Song. I like this. He can sing. He's got the range. I'm just wondering why he's doing this weird stuff. [00:29:50] Speaker C: From what I read, he said he was doing this kind of singing because he was trying to get above the band. To me, I think this is just a cop. Because there's still places in the chorus where that's still too much. Even if the music doesn't sound like it. He drags it down into the Led Zeppelin thing more than anybody, especially here. He's forcing that in there. [00:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah, but it doesn't fit. This song shouldn't have that kind of singing. But listen to it. If he does it again, don't even think about Robert Plant. Just think about the way he's phrasing things, and it's almost funny. [00:30:18] Speaker C: I find zero funniness in this. [00:30:21] Speaker A: There's no humor in that. [00:30:23] Speaker C: There's no humor. It's bad because he's still trying to do the same thing. It just ruins a song that possibly could be better if they would just stop doing this. And maybe this is the only way he can sing. I don't fucking know. But if it was me and I was a singer and I started to sing like this, someone would have to tell me, dude, change it up. [00:30:39] Speaker A: If we were in a band, we wrote this song and we knew especially the guy could sing. You are not singing this like this. You're not doing this vocal to me, it sounds like you're joking around. [00:30:48] Speaker C: I'm doing the Robert Plant vocal. [00:30:50] Speaker A: It's almost like Robert Plant meets Dylan. I'm kind of ruining it because I really think it's a cool riff. It's simple, very rock, very classic. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:59] Speaker C: Let me read lyrics. Verse 1 Every day is a new day Every way is a new way on the edge of darkness Finding out what it means to love and to think we found the time Chorus. All my brothers we stand for the peace of the land is their meaning I've got love in my heart for an empty part I am bleeding all my brothers we stand for the peace of the land is their meaning I've got love in my heart for an army apart I am bleeding let's see what he does second time around. I don't think it's gonna be any different. Here we go. [00:31:26] Speaker B: Always searching for love. Always set it alive. What the world is made of. When I'm thinking it's right. And to think we found that in time all my brothers we stand for the beast of the land is their meeting. All my brothers we stay for the peace of the land is their meaning. It. That. Sam. [00:34:13] Speaker A: I figured out who he sounds like in the chorus. Earth the kid is Catwoman. When it went out of that, he was doing the screaming at the end. I was okay with that because I thought it fit better. And yeah, again, it's Robert Plant scream. Fine. That one line that he repeated, the to think we found the time. Yeah, that may as well have been Robert Plant scene. That. That register would have been good for the whole song. I wish he did it in that and then maybe built it up to some of the screaming that he did. Because I think the music is actually. [00:34:40] Speaker C: Pretty good with A Piece of the Land. [00:34:44] Speaker A: It sounds like you're seeing these lyrics. Okay, I'm gonna sing it like this at the Piece of the Land. What am I singing here? [00:34:51] Speaker C: Every time he sings that, I just start laughing to myself. [00:34:53] Speaker A: The piece of land Big little Stonehenge to come out. [00:34:56] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I'm gonna read lyrics. I like the solo at the end. I thought he did a pretty good job on that. He is a younger guitar player, just like every guitar player, me included. We may not know where the space should be. And I think he has a problem because he's younger. He doesn't know where not to play. Does that make sense? He's just throwing a lot of stuff on the wall and hoping something sticks. He probably needed to give it a little bit of space and that's where a guitar player like Jimmy Page would know a little bit better what to do because he'd be playing for longer. I think for me, it's becoming readily apparent that it's the vocals, especially in this song, when it doesn't have Zeppelin music. Music that he keeps trying to pull it into. [00:35:34] Speaker A: The Zeppelin pulling it into something in this one. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Verse 2. Always searching for love Always searching for light what the world is made of what I'm thinking It's right to think we found the time. Back to the chorus. The bridge is, I've got my love in my heart for an army apart I am bleeding Chorus is out. I think you can go first because I don't know what to do here. I'm trying to separate this from everything, but I don't know. [00:35:53] Speaker A: I don't know where to ding. I don't think the lyrics are terrible. I'll give the lyrics a sick. I think the music is pretty good. I'll give the music A7. This is a song musically I would like to go back to. I think the arrangement is good too. Think arrangement is seven. I'll give it seven on the production. It's funny because it isn't even as much the melody. It's the way he's singing it, I guess. Melody. I'll ding it. I'll say four when he's singing. It ruins it for me. I really separated him with the music because I thought what the musicians were doing really good. The bass, the drums are good. Guitar. Musically, it's a pretty good song. Now it's your turn. [00:36:24] Speaker C: For the beasts of Laund. I'm gonna do everything the same as you, except I'm gonna do melody as three. That's the only place I can ding it for him is on the melody side. And realistically, it is a melody thing. Technically. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:37] Speaker C: I don't care what he says. I don't care. Oh, I didn't want to try to sound like Zeppelin. You are. Anytime you get a chance to do it, you do it. Then someone in your band should have slapped you in the head. One of your brothers should have said, dude, can't do this. You sound like Robert Plant. You got to change this up. Obviously, no one could do that. So here we are. Okay, here we go. This is Flower Power. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Is a lady Comes from all around many places But. But she's homework bound and now she walks kind of funny I think she knows day by day by day I love Ro. She's a lantern in the night she's out of sight. Makes me feel like I'm alive She's out of sight yeah she's all right she's all right she's all right she's out of sight out of sight. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Still on the fence about this. I'm laughing. When he started singing, I was laughing. I'm like. Marcus would be like, oh, come on. [00:38:41] Speaker B: It's not. [00:38:42] Speaker A: The music isn't bad. And I know you're going to say it's not bad because it sounds like Zeppelin has a more general feel of the 70s acoustic. I don't like that. That I don't understand. If they would have gone straight from the verse of the chorus. I do like the melody better. I think in this, Led Zeppelin 4. [00:38:59] Speaker C: Wants their track back. That's what it sounds like. Supposedly they said it has a little ashberry sound in it. I don't know what kind of crack they're smoking. They're trying to deflect as much as they can. This is not just Zeppelin. It has hate ashberry sounds in it. No, it does not. It does not. And even if it did, your singer, is it for you? Because even here, he's trying to do the same thing. [00:39:22] Speaker A: But you would agree he's singing better here. At least he's not doing anything weird. [00:39:26] Speaker C: No, he's not doing weird now. He's just doing straight rubber plant. That's all he's doing. Even the mama, mama things are Robert Plant. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Oh, God, that was her. I don't like them. [00:39:34] Speaker C: I don't understand how anyone does this and goes, this is okay to do. We're gonna make it sound just like Led Zeppelin. We're gonna come out and that's what we're gonna do. Listen, they're not the first people. I hear things online all the time. Guitar players who play too much like Eddie Van Halen, just too much. I'm not gon many names. I was watching this one guy, he did the little Eddie Van Halen run thing when he was walking back to the mic, and I'm like, seriously, dude, you're a great guitar player. How about you figure out what you're going to do? I'm not saying that I always sound totally original because I know there are things in my playing that I do, but I'm not consciously trying to be somebody. Eyepieces come out just because I've learned songs. There are guitar players that are my influences and they come out. That's okay. This kind of stuff, though, oh, boy. It's too much. The beginning part is so Led Zeppelin 4. [00:40:17] Speaker A: Are you liking this at all. [00:40:18] Speaker C: I don't think it's bad. I think it's a decent song. Song. It's trying to be too much like Led Zeppelin again. I thought we were going to change a little bit and turn a corner on the second song. When it got into this and he started singing, I was like, oh, boy, why have to do this to me? I want to like your band. I really do want to like you. There are elements in here that I would like if it wasn't so much of a blatant ripoff. Verse 1. She's a lady Comes from all around she's many places but she's homeward bound and now she walks kind of funny I think she knows Day by day by day Our love grows rose She's a lantern in the night she's out of sight A mama, mama mama mamas all through there. Chorus turned to night Fire light Star shines in her eye Makes me feel like I'm alive She's out of sight, yeah oh, yeah she's all right she's all right she's all right she's out of sight out of sight and I don't even think the lyrics are horribly bad. They kind of fit the music. It's just gonna be a fest of me bitching about his singing, tearing down the whole rest of the band again. Bass player doing great. Great stuff. [00:41:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:15] Speaker C: Drummer doing great stuff. Guitar players okay. He's adequate for what they're doing. [00:41:18] Speaker A: You gotta separate it. If you don't separate it, I can't do it. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Yeah, can't do it. I know. Zeppelin. I can't do it. All right, let's continue. Here we go. Led Zeppelin Jr. Is continuing. [00:41:28] Speaker B: Electric Gold. I love it. [00:41:32] Speaker C: I need to stop it right there. Did you hear that? Come on. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, of course. [00:41:36] Speaker C: Jesus Christ. Does he have to sing it that way? Does he have to? [00:41:41] Speaker A: Here's what I'm not understanding. So he has that registry. Why wasn't he using this register in the song before? Why was he doing that Earth, the plant thing where it didn't fit? [00:41:49] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know why he's doing this. He doesn't have to use the inflection. He doesn't have to use the exact singing. [00:41:55] Speaker A: But maybe that's all he knows. [00:41:57] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:41:57] Speaker A: Do you know what is from the first EP and what they added? [00:42:00] Speaker C: I'll look it up. I'll let you know. Let's continue. I just wanted to stop that right there. To point out to all the people that that Sucks. Let's continue. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Electric Cold. I love it. Hills of saddened grass and maidens fair now she rides through the night on her silver stone. Sorden. And our fates torn. She's a sparrow of the dawn Our love is born. Hey tonight why I like hot shines in her eyes. Makes me feel like I'm alive. She's outside. Oh yeah. She's all right. She's all right she's all all right. She's out of sight out of sight. Sam. Are the wrong the right. You warm our sunshine and as the night begins to die we are the morning birds that sing against the sky. [00:44:12] Speaker A: Oh, what you think of the. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [00:44:15] Speaker A: You must love that. What do you think of the solo? [00:44:18] Speaker C: Solo wasn't bad. I don't think he's bad. [00:44:21] Speaker A: No, he plays for the song. [00:44:22] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean that part of it's fine. I just think it's a singer, not just the singer. Obviously there's pieces here that they're not exactly total rip off. It's just too close. [00:44:31] Speaker A: But I mean lyrically. [00:44:32] Speaker C: Well, lyrically and then the arrangement, very similar. Whatever's happening right now, it's just going to be more Led Zeppelin. That's in my mind what's going to happen right now. I can hear where it's going. The answer to your question is Highway Tune, Safari Song, Flower Power and Black Smoke Rising were on the first ep. Highway Tune and Black Smoke Rising are on side to first side. [00:44:50] Speaker A: Very Zeppelin. [00:44:51] Speaker C: And second sides can be very Zeppelin. And then there's two covers. I'm assuming those are going to sound like the songs. Three more songs that are going to sound like Zeppelin. His vocals are not going to change and they seem to follow the pattern. Besides Edge of Darkness, which was a little different. This one too. It's a Led Zeppelin 4 kind of song. Verse 2. Electric Gold, our love with tender care Hills of satin grass and maidens fair now she rides through the night On a silver storm Sword in hand, our fates torn. She's a sparrow of the dawn Our love is born. Born that Mama Ma thing again. Chorus and the bridges. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Even the lyrics in that verse are so Led Zeppelin. [00:45:26] Speaker A: I mean the lyrics overall. [00:45:28] Speaker C: Yeah. Electric gold, Our love with tender care Hills of satin grass and a maiden's hair. Come on again. I don't really mind that part of it. If it wasn't sang like Robert Plan, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I'm just curious to see what happens next. I think it has to do more Zeppelin stuff. Let's go. Here we go. [00:47:08] Speaker A: Not that the organ wasn't reminiscent of kind of a few things in. In the classic. But I was waiting for the drums to come in and then him start saying, your time is gonna come. [00:47:21] Speaker C: I think that thing would have been better in the middle. I don't know why it was at the end. [00:47:24] Speaker A: I guess it's a little coda because. [00:47:27] Speaker C: They don't write as good as stuck it in the middle. And then they would have came back out of that into something probably your time. The outro is as the my mind are the wrong. The right. You are my sunshine and as the night begins to die we are the morning birds that sing against the sky Again. Lyrics. Not horrible. I have to go first, don't I? [00:47:46] Speaker A: Little torn on this one because I don't think it's terrible. No, you go first. [00:47:51] Speaker C: I don't think the lyrics are horrible. I'm gonna say five melody again. 2. You cannot continually cop Robert Plant over and over and over and over and over. It's too much musicianship. I'm gonna say seven. I think everything was played very well. Arrangement. I wish that end part was in the middle. I'm gonna say for arrangement. I'm gonna say say five. Because I think I would have changed that around production. I still think is good. 7. It's really the vocal that's really killing me. What do you think? [00:48:15] Speaker A: I will say five on the lyrics, six on the music. I don't like it as much as the one before, but I don't think it's bad. Five on the melody, six on arrangement, and seven on production. It's fine. [00:48:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:25] Speaker A: That point at Dorgan in the middle. I think about this. If it was in the middle and they came back out with the drums, right, that would have been even more Zeppelin like. So maybe putting it at the end kind of distance it a little bit from that. [00:48:35] Speaker C: At this point, what does it matter? You might as well just do it, right? The next one is a Sam Cook song. A Change Is Going To Come. It's a good song. I don't know how they're going to do it. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Tell you what. Sam Cook. Steve Perry sounded a lot like Sam Cook. [00:48:49] Speaker C: Well, we're going to see what he does with the vocal, aren't we? Here we go. A change is going to come. [00:49:09] Speaker B: I was born by the river In a little tent and just like the river Baby, I've been running ever since it's been a long time Long time coming and I know change is gonna come. It's been too hard leaving But I'm afraid to die? Cause I don't know what's up there, baby beyond the the sky it's been a long, long time coming and I know change is going to come. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Would you say slightly different here? Like, you can still hear it, but maybe not as much. Or you're like, you're fucking crazy. That's exactly. [00:50:18] Speaker C: No, it's there. But because it's not their song, they didn't fuck around with it too much. [00:50:23] Speaker A: I mean, Sam Cooke just had one of those voices. [00:50:25] Speaker C: He has weird inflections. The way he sings things and way he pronounces things. Like it's a cartoon character of something. [00:50:31] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. I was trying to think of who. I don't know, man. [00:50:34] Speaker C: They're from Michigan, aren't they? [00:50:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:50:36] Speaker C: I just don't know where that accent comes from. [00:50:38] Speaker A: I just think he's doing it, but. [00:50:39] Speaker C: He'S still trying to pull the Robert plan. [00:50:41] Speaker A: And he's trying, but not as much. If this was the first song you heard by them, I think you could say, oh, yeah. He kind of sounds like Robert Plant. He does some things, but yes. Some of that weird inflection like you said, cartoony. Like I'm thinking of a kewpie doll. Their hands on their cheeks and squeezing their lips when they sing. Or like Roscoe. It's just weird because the guy can sit. He's got chops. Maybe this is what the thing that he thought would. Could separate it a little bit. I don't know what their other stuff sounds like. [00:51:13] Speaker C: Okay, let's continue. Here we go. [00:51:22] Speaker B: And I say rather let me breath. But winds up knocking me back down. On my knees yeah. There been times that I thought I couldn't last for long Now I think I'm able to carry on it's been a long, long time coming and I know change is good to come oh, yes, it will it's been a long, long time coming and I know sh gonna come oh, yes, it will well, it's been a long, long time coming and I never I change my call change I know it I know, I know, I know, I know Change going to come. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Once he got into the will I go down to my brother part to me, my favorite vocal performance so far. He channeled Janis Japlin there. It wasn't really Rubber Plant. He showed that he can sing. I like the second part of the song. After you stopped and we came back in, I thought was actually very, very strong. The bass player is awesome. He's doing really cool stuff. I really liked his voice. I like the background vocals. Other than the music for that Edge of Darkness song, that part is my favorite part of this record so far. That's where the soul came in and I think they were good at that. [00:53:40] Speaker C: Like I said, not their song. He still does some weird Robert Plant esque vocals. [00:53:46] Speaker A: To me it was more Janis Chaplin that, ah, that raspy dude. This sounds good. [00:53:51] Speaker C: If they stopped the Led Zeppelin thing, I think it would be better. I want to like them. They're a younger rock band. Not younger anymore, but when they came out, when they came out, they were young and you wanted to like them. You wanted to be on their side. But that other stuff, I can't be on their side for. This is probably the best vocal performance on the record because it's not trying to be a Led Zeppelin song. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Yeah, and he stopped that little, you know, the thing we were making fun of before, that wasn't really there. There's a little slight, I think at one point, but most of it wasn't. [00:54:16] Speaker C: Well, we're not going to vote on this because this is not their song. We don't vote on covers. This is the end of the first side. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Oh, that was quick. [00:54:21] Speaker C: 2026 is started out really funny. 2026 is throwing us a curveball. The wheel's like, oh, here you go. We're not even going to give you good Led Zeppelin. We give you a weird Led Zeppelin record and now we're going to give you this fake Led Zeppelin. [00:54:36] Speaker A: What did we do? Was it presents? [00:54:37] Speaker C: Yeah, it was presents. It wasn't horrible. There was some things on there I liked. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Yeah, there was some good things. [00:54:42] Speaker C: It's just not a level Led Zeppelin, that's all. [00:54:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just all over the place, I think, more than anything, if I remember correctly. [00:54:47] Speaker C: All right, next week you get to do part two. Why don't you do your thing? [00:54:50] Speaker A: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast network and the Boneless Podcast Network. [00:54:55] Speaker C: Boneless, you don't like those chicken wings without the bone. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Great bunch of guys both took us in right away. We really appreciate that. A shout out to them. If you want to hear individual podcasts about bands like Rush, Zeppelin, Real Zeppelin, Tom Petty, Uriah Heap, you name it, they're probably on there. So check them out and mark, where can they find this on the Interweb. [00:55:14] Speaker C: Rock with Lit pod on all the social media, you can go to rockfordlightpodcast.com do the polls, buy some merch, put a new bets in. You know what to do. Put us on your auto download so you get us every week and rate us 5 stars wherever you rate your podcast, because that really, really helps us. And we enjoy seeing everyone's comments and we just like to interact. Hit us up on social media. We're always around. And next week, we get to finish off this travesty of a Led Zeppelin cover band. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Oh, travesty. [00:55:41] Speaker C: It's just rough for me. [00:55:42] Speaker A: But there's some good moments there. There's some good stuff there. [00:55:45] Speaker C: There could be. Yes. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:47] Speaker C: But it just gets drowned out. [00:55:49] Speaker A: Musically, though, I think they're pretty talented. [00:55:51] Speaker C: Yeah. And whatever criticism they've gotten, they deserve. You can't do this and then expect just everyone to go, oh, it's okay now. Sorry, dude. This not works. Alrighty, we'll see you next week. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Ciao. Ciao, mama. [00:56:03] Speaker C: Later.