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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:15] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy Ass podcast. It took over 1700 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. And every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through. We track by track, we talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast and everybody who takes this trip with discovery and rediscovery with us every week, we want to thank you. The numbers have been consistent. Like we always say. Thanks so much. Spread the word and tell us what you like, what you don't like. Reach out to us. We'll always reach back out for sure. We are threesome again tonight. We've got Frank.
[00:01:53] Speaker D: My name is Frank.
And I'm sexy.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: We got Mark. Oh hi Mark.
[00:02:11] Speaker D: What's up guys?
[00:02:12] Speaker C: And I'm Seb. Ciao Bon.
Last week we wrapped up Berserk by Tiger Tales, a Welsh, very, very glammy, very glammy sounding band. It was from 1990. So at the tail end of that era, as I mentioned, I bought that record in years ago because I went into a record store in New Pulse and I wanted to buy something. Saw it, I'm like, yeah, what the hell? Bought it like the first song for sure. Wasn't crazy about the rest. And there's a couple of songs this time that I'm okay with. The rest of them were meds and meds. And I know Mark and Frank, especially you guys. The honeymoon was over after the first two songs.
[00:02:50] Speaker D: Pretty much there was one or two things on the second side. But yeah, first two songs, then poof, it was done. I wasn't expecting much, but I was willing to have an open mind that maybe it's something that I missed and I didn't miss anything. So I'm okay that I haven't listened to that in what, 35 years? It's fine.
[00:03:05] Speaker C: I think you had more open of a mind than I expected you to have. That was good.
Frank, what about you? How does this rank on your glam list?
[00:03:17] Speaker E: It's okay. It doesn't rank very high for me. I found that there were a couple of really good, good songs that just needed some good lyrics and vocals to make it great. The music was really, really good on a couple of those tracks that we heard. Production was really good. It's just the vocals and the lyric kind of brought it way down, in my opinion. Overall, I would say probably I enjoyed 50% of the songs that I heard. Not something I'm definitely going to be listening to again anytime soon.
[00:03:46] Speaker D: I agree.
[00:03:47] Speaker C: Some stuff that was pretty decent. I think the production was very good. I think we all gave pretty good scores in the production. I think it was loud but not too loud and pret powerful. Third thing in the book, something very interesting for the wheel to pick. And we get to spin the wheel again tonight, which is always incredibly exciting. But before we spin the mama wheel, we spin the baby wheel for New Bets.
[00:04:07] Speaker E: In a world where new music is not easy to find.
[00:04:14] Speaker D: Welcome to new Bets.
Okay, here is the new bets wheel.
[00:04:41] Speaker C: Scowl Fantasy, I would say, Mark, you have probably introduced me to more band names than my son, and I know.
[00:04:48] Speaker D: Nothing about any of the bands at all.
[00:04:51] Speaker C: No idea.
[00:04:53] Speaker D: Well, let's see what this is like. Hopefully we are pleasantly surprised, but you never know. This is Scowl Fantasy.
[00:05:19] Speaker F: Anybody out there or you talking to me Crying out to anybody out there?
Is anybody out there Craving beauty.
Couldn't really quite explain the face of pain when fantasies out there out there have a finite words to say Replace the thing with fantasy it's out there out there.
Don't let anybody else here Cause everybody else here is afraid Connecting with me I can see it now But I can't let it out Collapsing all my feelings I stay to create.
Couldn't really quite explain a place of pain with fantasies out again out there Never find my words to save Replacement.
Out there.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: Sa.
[00:08:29] Speaker C: Not bad.
Very 90s sounding. I wish the production was 90 sounding.
I'd probably like to listen to it again and see how I feel about it. I like some of the chords they use. I mean, that beginning rift, that banner Bennett. It's one chord away from being another song.
[00:08:44] Speaker E: Don't make me over.
[00:08:46] Speaker D: Darn it.
[00:08:46] Speaker E: Darn it.
[00:08:48] Speaker C: Yeah, right.
[00:08:48] Speaker E: It's a whole song.
[00:08:50] Speaker C: Not bad. What do you guys think?
[00:08:51] Speaker D: It was very 90s. Her voices reminds me of something in the 90s. I can't tell you who it reminds me of. One of the girl groups with a see there. L7 something. I didn't hate it.
[00:09:00] Speaker C: I don't know if it's Belly, maybe.
[00:09:02] Speaker D: Could be. I wasn't expecting a female vocal when it came on.
[00:09:05] Speaker C: Well, I was, because I looked it up as you were playing it. Oh, before she started singing Jump the Gun.
[00:09:11] Speaker D: Yeah. I didn't expect that, but I thought it was good. There was that first part before the chorus with the Nanas. Whatever was going on there. I don't know about that. I didn't think it was bad. Maybe a couple listens. I like it a little bit more. I'd like to hear more from that.
[00:09:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd be curious to hear what the rest of it sounds like. It got very good reviews. I was looking that up too. Got like an 82 out of 100. I think I'm Metacritic.
[00:09:30] Speaker D: Frank, what'd you think?
[00:09:31] Speaker E: Liked it, though. Apparently they are categorized as a hardcore punk band. It didn't sounded to me in that song. Like Sav said, it's just one or two chords away from being another song. But overall I liked it a lot. Definitely gonna give it another listen.
[00:09:44] Speaker D: Production was a little bit not separated enough for me, especially in the bass and the verse. It was really not mixed very well. That's what it feels like.
[00:09:52] Speaker C: This album's supposed to be a departure from those roots, the hardcore punk roots. Oh, that's what it says.
[00:09:58] Speaker D: Well, I like this, so you should continue doing this.
[00:10:01] Speaker E: Did a good job.
[00:10:01] Speaker C: Cool.
[00:10:02] Speaker D: Let us know if you like this or if you don't like this. And let's rubber stamp this.
[00:10:07] Speaker E: In a world where new music is.
[00:10:11] Speaker D: Not easy to find, welcome to New Bets.
[00:10:26] Speaker C: Now we get to do the Mama Wheel. And as usual, we will do a round table. I think I've mentioned this before before, but I was thinking about it again. I would like a band that we know, but an album that we don't know. I think that would be interesting. It's like, oh, we know this band, but we've never heard this. That is where I'm leaning.
[00:10:43] Speaker D: I don't know. I said 80s, but then we got Tiger Tales. Maybe I want a real 80s band from a big name and not something obscure. It could be an album that I don't know. That would be okay. I don't really know. I'm gonna take whatever he gives me. I think at this point I was.
[00:10:57] Speaker E: On the fence between like a big 80s band like a Guns n Roses, Appetite for Destruction, kind of an alb.
Or maybe something a little more lo fi, Sounding like morphine.
[00:11:09] Speaker C: There's only one way to find out.
[00:11:10] Speaker D: This is true. Are we ready for the wheel?
Here we go.
[00:11:34] Speaker C: Oh, this is kind of a biggie. Foreigner by Foreigner, their debut album, 1977. Some hits on this one. Mark. Are you familiar at all?
[00:11:44] Speaker D: I know all the big hits, probably. I've never heard a Foreigner record all the way through. This, for me, is going to be a discovery of some sorts, because I do know the couple of big hits that are on here. I've never listened to this.
[00:11:56] Speaker C: I have the sun cassette. I may have listened to it at one point and then I don't know where it is. I'm curious, Frank. What's your experience with Foreigner? Do you want to know what love is?
[00:12:06] Speaker E: That's about it.
[00:12:08] Speaker C: You'll know stuff on here. Without a doubt. You'll know at least two for sure. Maybe three.
[00:12:11] Speaker E: Looking forward.
[00:12:12] Speaker D: And they finally got into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. It took forever. Didn't they just get in in 24?
[00:12:16] Speaker C: 24? Yeah. They were one of those big names that people always talked about. Oh, I can't believe they're not in there.
[00:12:21] Speaker D: Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm not a big gigantic Foreigner fan, but you have to understand how big they were.
[00:12:26] Speaker C: Yeah, they were big for a long time.
[00:12:28] Speaker D: 77. And then the next one's Double Vision. That's the next album.
[00:12:31] Speaker C: Yep, big album.
[00:12:32] Speaker D: And I don't know, the third one is before. And the four was Big Games.
[00:12:35] Speaker C: Is the third one.
[00:12:36] Speaker D: Okay. Come on. Seriously?
[00:12:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, they had massive hits.
[00:12:39] Speaker D: This is March 3rd, 1977. Power pop is the genre. 3850 is the length. Recorded at the Hit Factory in Atlanta. Recording in New York, New York. Producer John Sinclair, Gary Lyons in collaboration with Mick Jones and Ian McDonald. The personnel is Lou Graham, lead vocals. Mick Jones lead guitar, vocals, Ian McDonald, guitar, keyboards. Al Greenwood, keyboard synthesizers, Ed Gagliardi bass, vocals, and Dennis Elliott, drum. I'm excited for this. Maybe I'll hear songs here that I don't even know that I might like. That's cool. Okay, let's do this. This is feels like the first time by Foreign.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: I would climb any mountain Sail across the stormy sea if that's what it takes me, baby to show how much you mean to me Then I guess it's just the woman in you that brings out the man in me.
I know I can't help myself.
You're all in the world to me.
It Feels like the first time Feels like the very first time it feels like the first time it feels like the very first time.
[00:14:37] Speaker C: I assume this rings familiar bells, Mark?
[00:14:40] Speaker D: Yeah, I've heard this song a million times. It's a good song. It's very poppy. I wonder if they were considered sellout or a put together band because it sounds so generic of the time. I don't know how they were perceived back in the 70s.
[00:14:53] Speaker C: I don't know about the 70s, but I know that a lot of people within the rock world hold them at high esteem. And their most famous song, which is I Want to Know what Love is. A lot of people like, do not judge them by this song. If you're a rock guy. Like if you've never heard them, go back through their catalog and list in. I mean, I'm sure this. It'll come up and you've heard like more rock stuff from them. Pretty good start.
[00:15:16] Speaker E: I'm digging it. Do you remember hearing this song once before? I remember 100. I'm pretty sure as we continue playing it, it'll become more familiar. But think of it.
[00:15:24] Speaker D: I'm very surprised that you don't know this song right off the bat. This is such a big, gigantic song.
[00:15:29] Speaker E: It missed me somehow.
[00:15:30] Speaker D: Okay. Verse 1. I would climb any mountain Sail across a stormy sea if that's what it takes me baby to show how much you mean to me Pre Chorus And I guess it's just a woman in you that brings out the man in me I know I can't help myself all in the world to me Chorus it feels like the first time Feels like the very first time it feels like the first time Feels like the very first time not overly complicated, but for a pop song, I don't think the lyrics are horrible.
[00:15:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:56] Speaker D: I mean, they're catchy. Obviously he did something right when they wrote this song.
[00:16:00] Speaker C: He's got a great voice. Very familiar, very recognizable.
[00:16:03] Speaker D: Lou Graham, 100%.
[00:16:05] Speaker C: He's from Rochester.
[00:16:06] Speaker D: Is he? Wow. I didn't know that. Isn't the rest of the band from England?
[00:16:09] Speaker C: I think it's a mix. That's why they're called foreigners.
I don't know if they're all.
That's what I heard. Steve McJones is British. Ian is British. Al was from the U.S. ed us, Dennis British. So it was a mix.
[00:16:24] Speaker D: There you go. I never thought of that. Foreigner being. That's the reason why they call themselves Foreigner. Makes sense. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:16:33] Speaker B: I have waited a lifetime Spend my time so foolishly.
But now that I've found you Together we'll make history.
And I know it must be the woman in you that brings out the man in me.
I know I can't help myself.
You're all my eyes can receive.
It feels like the first time like it never did before.
Feels like the first time like we're opening up the door Feels like the first time like it never will again.
[00:17:51] Speaker F: Feels like the best.
[00:17:53] Speaker B: It feels like the best.
Open up the door won't you open up the door?
Feels like the first time.
It feels like the very first time.
[00:18:35] Speaker F: It feels like the first time.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: It feels like the very first time and it feels like the first time Feels like the very first time.
[00:18:58] Speaker C: I think some of those transitions, especially that little phantasm breakdown, separates them a bit from just the run of the mill pop group. There's definitely, obviously, some talent in arranging and writing and obviously the voice is great. That's pretty good. That's a good way to start off.
[00:19:12] Speaker D: The bridge is very 70s. I like it. I'd like to change. It's definitely not a tip. Typical Pops. Although they probably were. People probably said, oh, look how generically this thing is. But is it really though Normally you wouldn't do that little break thing there. And that whatever guitar solo that was, which was fine. It fit the song. It didn't need to be complicated, didn't need to be fast, didn't need to be flashy. It did exactly what it needed to do. It's a very well crafted song.
[00:19:36] Speaker C: And he was also doing something different in the second verse on the guitar. It's like that.
Like he changed it up.
[00:19:43] Speaker D: They were doing some extra stuff. I think the arrangements are really good. Well, let me read words. Words are a little bit different verse too. I've waited a lifetime Spent my time so foolishly. But now that I've found you Together we'll make history. Bridge. And I know that must be the woman in you that brings out the man in me. I know I can't help myself. You're all that my eyes can see. Then the bridge is. And it feels like the first time like it never did before Feels like the first time like we opened up the door Feels like the first time like it never will again. Never again. And then basically the chorus is just. There's little ad libs and stuff with the chorus. It's just very well done to the point it's almost four minutes, but that was a very fast four minutes.
[00:20:21] Speaker C: Feel like four minutes. I thought it was three.
[00:20:22] Speaker D: Something yeah, 352, but still it's four minutes.
[00:20:25] Speaker C: I mean, I thought it was like three and a half.
[00:20:27] Speaker D: It's a very well done song. Let's have Frank go first.
[00:20:30] Speaker C: Woohoo.
[00:20:30] Speaker E: Classic 70s. I think the two of you hit it right on the head in terms of how different it is in some of those breaks that they did. That just sets it apart for me.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: I'm gonna go.
[00:20:39] Speaker E: This is real simple for me. I'm gonna do eight across because of the uniqueness of the sound and the music, everything about it and the lyrics are great.
[00:20:49] Speaker D: I'll go next. I could do eights across here. I'm gonna do sevens across to do eight on the arrangement. Because I think the arrangement was what sets it apart from everything else. That little break part shows that they have some creativity. They know how to change up the structure. I'd like it a lot. I think it's a great song, Saf.
[00:21:05] Speaker C: I can't go that high on the lyrics.
I'll say five in the lyrics, but sevens on everything else. It's good. This is good as I remember it. And it's a song I've heard a few times, and hearing it now in this way, I enjoy.
[00:21:18] Speaker D: All right, let's continue. The next one is cold as ice.
[00:21:29] Speaker B: You're as cold as ice.
You're willing to sacrifice our love.
You never take advice.
Someday you'll pay the price. I know I've seen it before. It happens all the time. You're closing with the. You leave the world behind?
You're digging for gold? You're throwing away a fortune in feeling. But someday you'll pay.
[00:22:16] Speaker C: I mean. One, two, punch. Everybody knows this song.
Definitely a good rocker.
[00:22:21] Speaker D: Yeah, I like it a lot. I think the words are good. I like the music. I like the background vocals. I didn't say anything about the background vocals in the last song, but they were good and they're good here again.
[00:22:30] Speaker C: Keyboard definitely seems to be taking center stage in these first two songs. Even here, there's two layers going on between the piano and you can hear the organ going, maybe some synths. And it's full. I mean, they're both very full sounding songs, which is cool. Yeah. And his voice is great.
[00:22:44] Speaker E: I remember this one. I like this song a lot. This is going to be a good listen from here.
[00:22:48] Speaker D: Sav, what do you think about the drum sound? Love sounds like drums.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: Yep. I think they actually sound better here than they did in the first song.
[00:22:55] Speaker E: Well, most of these classic albums that we listen to so far, the production has always been great. And the instruments pop off of it because it's so well made.
[00:23:02] Speaker D: I think the thing is that it's not all super loud. I think they know how to volumize everything, if that's a word. And I think because they had to master for vinyl, they couldn't really push everything so much because it would just all blow out. When you played on vinyl, you couldn't really do that. I think that made them make the mixes a certain way. And that's why they're so balanced. I think that's the reason people playing it on their headphones, they're playing from a little phone speaker. Before, everyone had a big home stereo, so it had to sound good on that. I mean, I know when we went to record what the first thing we did, we used to put it on a cd, walk out to the car, put it in the car. If it sounded good in the car, it was good.
[00:23:39] Speaker C: Cassette, cd, cassette.
[00:23:42] Speaker D: Putting on something and bringing it to the car. If it sounded good out there, you knew you were on the right track.
Verse 1. You're as cold as ice. You're willing to sacrifice our love. You never take advice. Someday you'll pay the price. I know I've seen it before. It happens all the time. You're closing the door, you leave the world behind. You're digging for gold. You're throwing away unfortunate feelings but someday you'll pay. All right, let's continue.
[00:24:06] Speaker B: You're as cold as ice you're willing to sacrifice our love.
You are paradise but someday you'll pay the price. I know I've seen it before it happens all the time. You're closing the door, you leave the world behind.
You're digging for gold. You're throwing away a fortune in feelings. But someday you'll pay.
[00:24:45] Speaker F: Sa.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: Eyes.
[00:25:25] Speaker C: The other cool thing is that the cold is ice part is the verse. Even though they had that little bridge. And the chorus is not really where they say cold as ice. So even that is pretty cool. But even this breakdown here, it keeps it interesting. This is like two in a row now, where it isn't just verse, chorus, verse, chorus. There's something going on that's different. Different? The harmonies and everything. I think they keep it more interesting than formula.
[00:25:48] Speaker D: I'm liking everything. So for this song, I've heard a whole bunch of times and always liked it. If it comes on the radio or on satellite or whatever, I don't turn it off, I leave it on. That's how you know it's a good song. Even Though you heard it a bajillion times. Oh, I like this song. I can lead this on.
[00:26:02] Speaker C: Yeah, it's catchy.
[00:26:03] Speaker D: Yeah, the guitar part was cool. I like that little riff thing that he did in between. I thought it was awesome. All right, this is, I guess, verse 2. Even though it is the chorus sort of. You're as cold as ice. You're willing to sacrifice suffice our love. You want paradise but someday you'll pay the price. I know, I've seen it before. It happens all the time. You're closing the door you leave the world behind you're digging for gold you're throwing away a fortune in feelings but someday you'll pay. Is this about a gold digging woman or someone who's a little materialistic? Could be.
[00:26:31] Speaker C: Either that or you're digging for gold. Like I'm not gold, but I'm not nothing.
Yeah, I'm not perfect, but.
[00:26:39] Speaker D: But someday you'll pay.
[00:26:41] Speaker C: Well, I mean, eventually you would throw the good guy away. Maybe pay with the bad one.
[00:26:46] Speaker D: Yeah. And the bridge is cold as ice. You know that you are cold as ice. Cold as ice to me. Cold as ice. And again, vocals are outstanding. He's outstanding singer and he sounds good now.
[00:26:58] Speaker C: Yeah, what I heard recently wasn't too bad. His last name is actually grammatical, by the way. It's not Graham.
[00:27:03] Speaker D: Oh, he's a bite.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: Go.
[00:27:07] Speaker D: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yep. I know.
Cold.
Oh, yes, I know.
[00:28:11] Speaker C: And they gave you your fade, Mark.
[00:28:12] Speaker D: It's the seventies, my friend. The fade is everywhere.
That was cool at the end too. They changed it up. I never noticed the cold ass. Cold as ice. Pay the price. Cold as cold as eyes three blind mice.
[00:28:23] Speaker C: I didn't even catch that.
[00:28:25] Speaker D: And even the end is weird. It's different. I think it's awesome. Go first.
[00:28:29] Speaker C: I'll say 6 on the lyrics, 8 on arrangement, 8 on melody, 7 on music, 8 on percent production. Pretty strong. Good one, two punch, Mark.
[00:28:36] Speaker D: I'll say 6 on the Lyrics, 8 on the melody, 7 on the music, 8 on arrangement, 8 on production. I like it a lot. Right?
[00:28:44] Speaker E: 7 on the lyrics, 7 on melody, 8 across. For the rest, like Seth said, there's a good one two punch. Can't think of a great way to sell the album. And like you said, Mark, this is one of those songs, when you hear it on the radio, you just leave it on.
[00:28:55] Speaker D: Yeah. And now we're going to a song that I don't think I know. This is Star rider.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Sam passing star not knowing where I was going how near or how far.
Through years of light Lands of future and past until the heavenly gates were sighted at last Sam, Show me where you are.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: I'm not 100% sure about the verse, but I love that chorus, the buildup and the vocals. That was really good.
[00:30:49] Speaker D: It's very almost praggy.
And this is McJ singing is not Lug Graham.
[00:30:55] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, I don't think it's Lug Graham.
[00:30:57] Speaker D: I like everything about this. I thought the drums were really good. The bass was good. That flange in the chorus I liked. I thought it was good.
[00:31:04] Speaker E: I don't know how I feel about this one so far. It sounds very to ish.
[00:31:09] Speaker C: Well, you got the flute. I like the flute, but yeah, it's. I mean, like Mark said, it's definitely got some of that Prague element to it.
[00:31:15] Speaker F: I don't know.
[00:31:16] Speaker E: I'll have a better sense as we continue to listen.
[00:31:18] Speaker D: And even the words are a little in the praggy area. Verse 1. I stole a ride on a passing star not knowing where I was going how near or how far through years of light Lands of future and past until the heavenly gates were cited at last Chorus. Star rider, writer, writer take me to the stars Star writer, writer, writer show me where you are A little different than the more poppy lyrics of the first two.
[00:31:42] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:31:43] Speaker D: I'm wondering if this is some of the stuff that they do when they're not doing the super poppy commercial stuff. And it fits 70s because 70s have a little bit of experimentation like this. And a lot of ants. Oh, yeah. I like it. Let's continue. Here we go.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: Then they were gone and those old stars would die so the new ones were born.
Devil on my sail Celestial waves and in the light of my years Shone the rest of my day Speed, speed increasing all control is in the hands of those who know Will they help us grow to one day be spider?
Star rider, Show me where you are.
Star rider, Take me to the star Sam.
[00:33:48] Speaker C: Even here, instead of going right into the chorus, they throw Lou Graham on, like a pre chorus and then go into the chorus, which is cool. I really like the part that he sang in the chorus. Not too crazy about the verse, but everything else I really like.
[00:34:01] Speaker D: Yeah. I was surprised to hear him come in there on that pre chorus. And again, different. I thought the guitar solo was okay. I think it was bad. I like the flange that was on it. I thought it was very good for the song. It's spacey and medieval times together. Mm.
I didn't Think it was bad so far. I don't hate the verse.
[00:34:19] Speaker C: I don't hate it. I just. It's okay. I like his voice. It's just kind of. The melody's okay. It's not bad. It doesn't ruin it for me, but just. I just think that chorus is so powerful.
[00:34:29] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, 100%. I think it's great. Verse. Two northern lights flashed by and then they were gone as the old stars would die so the new ones were born and ever on I sailed celestial ways and in the light of my years Shown the rest of my days Pre chorus speed increasing all controls. Is in the hands of those who know Will they help us grow to one day be star Rider? And then back to chorus and then guitar solo. And now here's our outro. Here we go.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Will they help us grow one day be star.
[00:35:13] Speaker F: Right now.
[00:35:27] Speaker C: I think I wanted another chorus because I like it so much, but I can appreciate what they did there.
[00:35:33] Speaker D: I like to end a lot. I could have used another chorus. Maybe one more and then the outro. Yeah, I did like the way that ended. Thought that was very interesting to come back in with that pre chorus again. I thought it was cool. Why don't you go first?
[00:35:45] Speaker C: I'll say seven on the lyrics, six on the melody, seven on arrangement, say eight on the production.
[00:35:51] Speaker D: I'm doing the exact same thing. I think that it was very well produced. I like the choices that they made. I like how they changed it all around. I like how this is different than the first two songs. It's definitely not pop. It veers into a little bit of Prague for me. And I'm not usually a big Prague guy, but I kind of like this good stuff.
[00:36:08] Speaker E: Frank, I'm going to give production an 8 on this one. It is very well produced. The lyrics, I'm not a big fan. Fan of. They're not terrible. Just not a fan of them. I'm gonna give those a seven. Melody, I'll give a seven. And music, I'll give that an eight. I'm gonna give arrangement a seven. Again. It's not my favorite song, but still pretty good. Gotta give recognition to play in here.
[00:36:30] Speaker D: For someone who didn't like the song, you like this song a lot.
[00:36:32] Speaker C: He's respecting us.
Yeah.
[00:36:35] Speaker E: Yeah. You know what? It is, it is well played. It is well performed. It's just not my cup of tea.
[00:36:40] Speaker D: All right, well, let's see what the next one does. This is Head Knocker.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: He drives a 57 coup, walks with a stool, swears, games, dinners And D Head, he's a dedicated rocker, a real head knocker don't look at his lady again Cuz if he catches you messing he's going to teach you a lesson don't let me say it again Headlock, Head knocker, you're coming on strong A real showstopper A head knocker he might not defy I would murder the love to play.
[00:38:09] Speaker C: I just remember that this past week I heard somebody speaking about foreigner on YouTube, specifically mentioning this song and how much they liked it. So I kind of had high expectations for this. I think this one's okay. It's a bit run of the mill for me. It's not bad, but it's okay.
[00:38:27] Speaker D: I don't like the verses. The way it goes through it feels a little forced. He makes the. The song. His vocal forces the song to be okay. I don't think the song is really good, but his voice is so good that he's forcing you to almost like this. Because he sings so well. It's okay. And that's about it. But his vocal is great.
[00:38:49] Speaker C: Yeah, great voice.
[00:38:50] Speaker E: What I've been amazed about so far in this listen is the wide range of music that they're playing here. The first two were kind of poppy. That other one, that third one, I don't know. Buck, where did you classify? Classify that as?
[00:39:00] Speaker D: It was sort of medieval, Praggy, Froggy.
[00:39:04] Speaker E: And this one here, I don't know what to make this one as of yet, but it's just a wide range. I'm liking him.
[00:39:08] Speaker D: I think the verse is a little. Not as good. I think the melody hurts a little bit because they're trying to jam all these words and it just doesn't flow. I think if it floated a little bit better, I would like the song better. I just don't think it flows as good. I'm gonna read words and here we go. Verse 1. He drives a 57 coupe walks with a stoop Swears James Dean isn't dead He's a dedicated rocker, a real hard knocker don't look at his lady again if he catches you messing he's going to teach you a lesson don't make me say it again Chorus Head knocker, head knocker, you're coming on strong A real showstopper Head knocker, he may like to fight oh, but boy does he love to play oh, head knocker, head knocker, oh head knocker this feels very.
[00:39:48] Speaker C: Generic, 70s to me.
[00:39:50] Speaker D: It's one of the more generic things that they've done. You know who Knows maybe they'll change it up somewhere in the middle.
[00:39:54] Speaker C: And you go, oh, I'm expecting.
[00:39:57] Speaker E: Sounds like a very generic filler song from the 70s.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: 70S.
[00:40:01] Speaker D: Except his voice is so good.
[00:40:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Grateful.
[00:40:04] Speaker D: Yeah. All right, here we go.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: He's a back seat A ballroom brawler I think he's gonna blacken your eye that don't teach you a lesson Might show you his Smith and Wesson but don't let me say it again.
Listen to him.
[00:41:41] Speaker C: Mark, tell me what you think of this theory. If Peter Chris had a song on Unmasked, this would have been it.
[00:41:48] Speaker D: I can almost hear him singing this. The second verse wasn't as bad as the first verse. It flowed a little bit better.
[00:41:53] Speaker C: And it's not like he was doing something different on the guitar as well. Right Underneath, maybe.
[00:41:57] Speaker D: I like the dual guitar thing. That was pretty cool. The harmony thing. That wasn't bad. It was done. That was all right. It's just not as good as the last three, I don't think. Let me read the last verse and then we can vote. He's got an old friend to Strat Plays behind his back when he sings Louie Lui He's a back street mauler A barroom brawler I think he's going to blacken your eye if that don't teach you a lesson Might show you his Smith and Wesson don't let me say it again and then basically chorus and then out. I guess I'll go first. I think this is the weakest so far. I'm gonna say five on the lyrics, five on melody, six on the music, five on the arrangement, and six on production. Not my favorite. I don't know how this would be more popular than the other two songs, but definitely not as good.
[00:42:39] Speaker E: Frank, I'm very close to you there. Lyrics. Melody. I'm gonna give those fives the music. I do like the music. I'm gonna give that a seven. Arrangement. I'll give that a seven. In production, I give a seven. I do like the music part of this. Like the lyrics and the melody are just not for me.
[00:42:56] Speaker C: I'll say five on the lyrics and six on everything else. I was debating on fives, but I'll make it easier and say sixes. Because if I start thinking about what I want to do, fives instead of sixes, we might be here for a while. So I figured, let me just make it easy.
[00:43:10] Speaker D: All right, so this is the end of the first side. This is. The damage is done.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Is there a reason for things that you Say the way you're treating me Other games I won't play well, it's too late we're no longer one I don't want you the damage is done Will you miss me, me When I leave you behind?
Will you tell your friends I treated you unkind?
Well, it's over now and I'm on the run I don't want you, you the damage is done.
[00:45:22] Speaker C: I like the vibe of it. I'm not sure if I like it all. And that little piece of guitar solo he just did there so far is my favorite. I felt like it had a lot of feel. I'm still open in on this one.
[00:45:34] Speaker D: You know when they say someone can sing the phone book? That's Lou Graham. He can sing anything. And even if you may not like it as much you like his way, he sings.
[00:45:43] Speaker C: He has a lot of soul and feel.
[00:45:44] Speaker D: This is a very heavy yacht rock. That's what it feels like. A harder edge yacht rock.
I don't think it's horrible. I like that little guitar solo thing in there. I thought that was the best guitar stuff so far.
[00:45:55] Speaker C: Great.
[00:45:55] Speaker D: I'm still up in the air but I don't hate it. I'd like it better than the last song.
[00:45:59] Speaker C: It's definitely more interesting.
[00:46:00] Speaker E: Yeah, Mark, you nailed it. It is like a heavier yacht rock. I like it.
[00:46:05] Speaker D: Verse 1 Is there a reason for the things that you say? The way you're treating me all the games I won't play well, it's too late no longer one don't want you the damage is done Will you miss me when I leave you behind? Will you tell your friends I treated you unkind? Well, it's over now and I'm on the run I don't want you the damage is done and that cool little 12 string thing. Guitar solo. And now we're back into another verse. Let's see, here we go.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: There have been rul that my sense of humor is lacking in some ways to me that's no reason it's tantamount for treason See what the judge has to say.
You need to find someone half as blind as I under your games and maybe you'll find Find out what it's all about and it can drive you insane.
The damage is done and now I feel it's too late the damage is done it's all.
Now I'm on the run Baby you and I know the damage is done.
[00:48:40] Speaker C: I like almost everything but when that acoustic and little better comes out, all I can think of is the little people Dancing around Stonehenge Bench at.
You know what I mean? This is final tap. It has nothing to do with the song. And I understand what's like, hey, you know, throw this. It's interesting, but I feel like that part ruins the vibe of it because the song has a lot of feel. He has a lot of feel. I thought the guitar. To me, soloing in this song has been the best so far. Even that was good. That would be the only real thing I didn't like about this.
[00:49:10] Speaker D: I didn't hate the 12 string thing. I thought it was okay. I thought it showed that they still had a little tricks up their sleeve, that something comes out that you weren't exactly expecting. But it does sound a little Spinal Tappish again, a little medieval Ren Faire going on, which I typically love.
[00:49:25] Speaker C: It didn't feel as out of place in the other one. But this one, to me personally, it's like, I don't like.
[00:49:31] Speaker D: I can see that, though. The guitar playing was really good here. I really liked it. Let me read some words and then we can vote. First two. They have been rumors that my sense of humor is lacking in some ways to me that's no reason it's tantamount to treason See what the judge has has to say you need to find someone half as blind as I am to your games and maybe you'll find out what it's all about and it can drive you insane Bridge. Oh, the damage is done and now I feel it's too late the damage is done it's over now I'm on the run and maybe you and I know the damage is done and the outro is I feel it's too late the damage is done I wasn't as big on the ending. I didn't like that too much. I think the song is definitely better than the prior one. Sad. Why don't you go first?
[00:50:12] Speaker C: I'll say six in the lyrics and seven on everything else. I'm not gonna dig the arrangement too much because it only happened tw and it was so short. I really thought overall it had a really good vibe. There's a lot of soul to it. I think that this is a song that I would come back to mark.
[00:50:25] Speaker D: I think I'm doing the same six on lyrics, seven and everything else. I like the fact that they got tantamount in the words.
[00:50:31] Speaker C: I like that too.
[00:50:32] Speaker D: Anytime you could get tantamount in words, good for you.
[00:50:35] Speaker C: And make it fit. He did it well.
[00:50:37] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, again, he. Even on songs you may not Particularly like, his voice is so good that he almost wills you to like the song because you like the way he sings it. And that just shows you how good of a vocalist he is. Frank, what do you think?
[00:50:50] Speaker E: Yeah, Mark, what was the scores again that you get?
[00:50:52] Speaker D: 6 on lyrics, 7 everything else.
[00:50:53] Speaker E: I think I'm going to do the same thing. Six on the lyrics.
I'm going to do six on lyrics, six on melody. I'm going to actually do eight on everything else. I do like the music. I do like that breakdown, the break that they had there. It reminds me of something. I just. It just can't come to mind. Part where Steph said that it reminds me of Spinal Tap. It reminds me of another song. And it'll come to me eventually. But better than the other one, the last one that we listened to. Definitely really good. And the vocals are great. You both have hit that on there. I do like the vocals on him.
[00:51:21] Speaker D: Yeah, he's a great, great singer. Can't take that away. Even if you don't like the song, you may end up just liking it because he sings so well. I'm glad we got this because I never would have listened to this. I know the first two songs. I didn't know the next three. I'm wondering what the third side is going to be. Maybe it's going to be some more interesting stuff on there. And probably maybe stuff I don't know. This could be an album where the second side has lots of interesting things.
[00:51:44] Speaker C: You probably know the first song. Song on the second side. I would say, if nothing else. I think so. Maybe even if you don't know it, if you look at the lyrics and you kind of start thinking about it, it's a pretty big song for them.
[00:51:56] Speaker D: I only know Foreigner as very peripheral hit stuff, is all I really know. I didn't know they did stuff like Star Rider or even anything else on the first side. I wouldn't really put them as that kind of a band.
[00:52:08] Speaker C: They're mentioned a lot in the rock world. McJones and obviously Lou Graham is famous people who only know some big hits. And some people don't even know their rock hits. They kind of know ballady hits.
[00:52:19] Speaker D: Yeah, well, it was so big. Overshadows all the other stuff. All right, so I want you to do your thing.
[00:52:24] Speaker C: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast Network and the Boneless Podcast Network.
[00:52:28] Speaker D: Boneless, you know, like those chicken wings without the bone.
[00:52:31] Speaker C: Like I always say, great bunch of guys on both sides took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands. Rush, Judas Priest, Uriah Heap, you name it, it's probably on there. Go check them out. And Mark, where can they find this? On the Interwebs.
[00:52:43] Speaker D: Rock with that Pod. On all the social media, go to Rock with that Pod podcast dot com. Do the polls, do the merch, Put a new bets in. You know what to do. And rate us 5 stars on all your podcast apps and put us on auto download so you get us every week when we release. And next week, we'll get to finish off this album. And I'm excited to hear the second side because I don't know what it's going to be like.
[00:53:03] Speaker C: I'm excited, too.
[00:53:04] Speaker D: All right, we will see you next week. Ciao.
[00:53:06] Speaker C: Ciao.
[00:53:07] Speaker E: Good night.
[00:53:08] Speaker D: Later.
[00:53:18] Speaker B: Sam.
