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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1, 800 albums. Stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. Every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through it track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast and everyone who's taking this trip of discovery and rediscovery with us every week. We really want to thank you again. The numbers have been picking up lately. Whatever it is we're doing right, thank you so much for noticing and let us know what we're doing right we're doing wrong. Maybe mention a song for the baby wheel or an album for the mama wheel. We could always pull it audible. We've done that before. As usual, we are a trio. We got Frank.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: My name is Frank.
And I'm sexy.
[00:02:10] Speaker D: Hello everyone.
[00:02:12] Speaker C: We have Mark. Oh hi Mark.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: What's up guys?
[00:02:14] Speaker C: And I'm Seb.
Last week we wrapped up the 1994 self titled Motley Crue album. It's an album we've been talking about doing, so we pulled an audible. I realized that the songs that sounded less like Motley Crue were my favorites, which were the first two, which were the heavier. So maybe I just kind of like heavier. Motley Crue. The first two albums are absolutely my favorite. My fandom fell off after that. There's bits and pieces here, there, but overall I can pretty much listen to most of the first two albums straight through. And I did also notice, I think we mentioned the two. You'll probably talk about it guys, when I come to you, that it wasn't as unmotly Crue as I remember. There are definitely a few bits and pieces there where we said yep, Vincio could sing this and Vince can sing that There definitely was a little bit more to discover. I think, having gone back to it. Mark, what was your big take?
[00:03:04] Speaker A: It's definitely more Motley crude than I thought. I think it suffers from sequencing. I think if they would have taken some of the songs that were a little more bridge song songs and not just hit you with those first three songs right off the bat, I think maybe it would have done better. Unfortunately, I probably heard the first three songs and said this. I don't want to listen to this. But in reality, I think there's a lot of Motley Crue there. And there are some songs I do like. I was surprised that I liked it as much as I did.
[00:03:26] Speaker C: Frank, what was your overall take?
[00:03:27] Speaker D: I had shared that I've always liked the music and I like the production. I had a problem with the writing. The reason I had a problem with the writing is because at the time it was being pegged as the Motley Crue going grunge album. When I think of that, I think about the writing has to be a part of it. And a lot of the run job was that we heard the songs that we've heard so far. They were very dark lyrics. They dealt a lot with addiction and depression and all those things. Whereas metal is more happy. Go lucky. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. Let's live life to the fullest to the Mac. And it just didn't fit. After listening to this. Now I like it more now than I did back then because now I hear more Motley Crue style. I'm saying, all right, this is still Motley Crue. They just went a little bit heavier than they usually do. And I think that's what made me like it more this time around, especially side two.
[00:04:14] Speaker C: I'm glad that did it. We will be doing something else. But before we talk about what else we'll be doing, let's go to the baby wheel in the new bed section.
[00:04:23] Speaker D: In a world where new music is not easy to find.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Welcome to New Bets.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Okay, here's the new Bets wheel.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: Searchlight by Shinedown. I have not heard this one. What do I know? Two or three songs by them that aren't bad. Their cover of the Lynyrd Skynyrd song, I think is amazing. I've always really liked their version of Simple Man. Do you guys know this at all? Either one of you heard this yet?
[00:05:12] Speaker A: I haven't heard it. I'm very light on my shine down from the things I've heard. I think I like most of the stuff I've heard. So I'm curious, Frank.
[00:05:19] Speaker C: You know anything about these guys?
[00:05:20] Speaker D: Not at all. So I'm interested to hear.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: All right, here we go. This is Searchlight by Shinedown.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: I'm a new soul Working my way down an old road I spot churches all around.
Roots break through this deep foundation
[00:05:52] Speaker D: can't
[00:05:53] Speaker B: find my place on solid ground no one taught me how to let go Been hanging by your thread on a tightrope and you can't speak while you don't know that's for sure so don't wait up for me I don't need your searchlight While you're fast asleep I'm running free it's all right I know you had a plan but that's not who I am I don't know where I land But I don't need your no search light to see anymore.
Raindrops fall and they feel like the open ocean Spider webs shimmer in the dark these movies play out in slow motion Cobwebs linger in the heart no one taught me how to let go Been hanging by a thread on a tightrope but you can still learn what you don't know that's for sure so don't wait upon me out on me be your searchlight While you're fast asleep I'm running free it's all right I know you had a plan but that's not who I am I don't know where I land But I don't need your search life to see anymore.
I'm a new soul Working my way down an old road Just looking for a place on solid ground so don't wait off on me I don't need your searchlight While you're fast asleep I'm running free it's all right I know you had a plan but that's not who I am I don't know where I land But I don't need your searchlight to see
[00:08:36] Speaker A: anymore.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: Yeah, not bad. Very country esque. I will not beat a dead snare to the ground, so I won't say anything about that, but not bad.
What'd you think, Mark?
[00:09:04] Speaker A: That's two songs in a row that have a very country ish thing going on. This has even petal steel on it. This is not what I expected. This is so modern country to me. Maybe that's where they're headed because this is very popular right now.
[00:09:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I think technically they've always been southern rock band. I don't know a lot of their stuff, so I can't really say. But yeah, this Is very country esque, but I thought it was good. I think I'd probably listen to that again, Frank.
[00:09:28] Speaker D: Yeah, not what I was expecting at all. I thought they were a lot heavier of a group. Very pleasantly surprised. And I'll definitely gonna be listening to this and putting on my playlist.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: Awesome. If you like this or you don't like this, hit us up on social media and let us know. And let's rubber stamp it. Here we go.
[00:09:44] Speaker D: In a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to new bands.
[00:10:03] Speaker C: And as mentioned before, since last week we did 1994 Motley Crue, we decided to kind of do something special. And we're gonna do a two fur now.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Every once in a while, life presents us with a rare and beautiful thing. Not one opportunity, not one sweet reward, but two. You ever have one of those days where you order fries and suddenly there are onion rings too?
[00:10:28] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:10:29] Speaker A: You don't call it luck, you call it a twofer.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: We were thinking about which album to do originally. We had discussed doing Dr. Feelgood and the 94 album. Then, Mark, I think you may have mentioned, hey, maybe the Vince Neil. And then last week after the podcast, we talked about Generation Twine as usual, which you guys don't know. You think we go on tangents on the podcast? I promise you, we go off on tangents off the podcast as well. And we finally settled on Vince Neil's first solo album, Exposed, because we figured, okay, well, their album without him, his album without them. I actually owned this record. A Time of Expendable Income.
I don't know what made me buy it. I wasn't even into that scene at all at that time and. But I was like, ah, it. There's probably at least three or four songs that I remember liking on here that I think that stick out. We'll probably go into everything, but there's clearly a very famous guitar player on here. There was a known drummer from the glam era, obviously Vince Neal. But we'll go into all that, I think, once we start it. Mark, have you heard this at all from beginning to end, Just some songs?
[00:11:33] Speaker A: No, I've heard singles, I think, and that's about the extent. And I think I like the singles from what I remember.
[00:11:39] Speaker C: Frank, you haven't heard this at all. You said no. 1 songs from movie that we'll go into. One of them was a video on MTV that I remember. I know, Mark, there's a video you had sent to us where he did an interview with Ricky Rackman. That song I'm not a fan of. And the funny thing is it's very motley crude, that song. It's very Dr. Feel. Goody. There's some stuff on here that's a little bit heavier and where he lets Steve let loose a little bit. I think those are the ones that kind of stand out to me.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: This is 1993. Ron Nevison is a producer. The band members are Vince Neil, Steve Stevens on all guitars, bass guitar. Vicky Fox on drums and percussion. On the album, Dave Marshall is on rhythm guitar, but he doesn't play. And Robbie Crane is on bass guitar and he doesn't.
[00:12:22] Speaker D: I think there was somebody else on bass basically.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Steve Stevens played all guitar stuff on here and all by himself. If nothing else, I expect guitar is going to be good.
[00:12:30] Speaker C: Yep. I remember some. Some decent guitar in here. There's some flamenco on here, which I think is probably the best song on the record from what I remember. Ticket ends the first side, so we should catch it tonight, I believe. I'm not sure. I don't remember how it split up.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: I'm curious to see what he sounds like without Motley Crue. I remember one or two songs that were single. Other than that, I haven't heard this record. This is going to be partially rediscovery, but more discover because I don't really know very much from this other than the singles. Are we ready to do this?
[00:12:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: Yep. The first song is Look In Her Eyes.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: There's danger in the darkness there's nothing to say Thunderclouds are rolling in trouble he's on your way.
My truth can feel it Diving in your veins no holding back Twisted by him Surprise disguise Paranormal the thrill the kill and you know that it's over.
[00:14:46] Speaker C: I think a pretty decent way to kick off the album. It's a little heavy. Guitars are cool, Very Daken esque. I think Don Dawkin would shred this song. I think they as a band would shred this song. The production on the drums, it's a little muted. That is one thing I do remember. Remember. It's not bad. I just wish they were a little bit more umphy. So I don't think it's a bad way to kick off this record.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: It's pretty good.
He sounds good. The guitars are ridiculously good. He's playing bass here too. That's good. The drumming is good too.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: Yes, dude. I mean, this is the guy from Enough's Enough. When I first heard this, he never did a single fill. The way he starts this song off doesn't do a single fill on Enough's Enough. And I was like, wow, nice. He did some double bass later on coming up.
Sounds pretty good.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think if you were a Motley Cruise friend, this came on. I don't think you would hate this.
[00:15:33] Speaker C: No.
[00:15:34] Speaker D: Wow. Wow. What a great way to kick it off. As I was listening through the song, this could very easily have been an Aussie song. With his vocals in there, I could
[00:15:42] Speaker C: hear Ozzy as well. I agree. I can hear that.
[00:15:44] Speaker D: Yeah. Wow. He came full force and the guitars are great. And I can't believe that's Enough's enough over there in the drums.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: So, yeah, you can't complain about this. At least right at the moment. It's hitting really hard. It's I don't need you. Look what I have going on. Obvious. Obviously a little bit of that is Steve Stevens too. Having him in the band is probably the best thing that he did. And from what I gather it was a last minute change. He had some other people, I believe. I think he had Adrian Vandenberg, supposedly was supposed to be in the band and some other guy. But then they said, no, you need Steve Stevens. I guess he had just left Billy Idol and he was doing what, Atomic Playboys. I think that's what he did after Billy Idol. They were like, yeah, you need to get him. And you know what? Good choice.
[00:16:25] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: Verse 1 they told him not to wander Told him not to stray Listen to the warnings Never lose the light of day there's danger in the dark that's not what they say Thunderclouds are rolling in Trouble is on the way Pre Chorus but you can feel the excitement in your veins no hold it back till you stake your claim Chorus Surprise disguise better run now you realize the thrill the kill and you know that it's over With a look in her eyes and lyrics aren't bad either. Technically. No.
[00:16:52] Speaker C: Not terrible.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: I don't know if that's going to continue. I'm sure there's going to be some TNA in here because it's Vince Neo. So I divert highly. There's not going to be.
[00:16:59] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm going to say those are probably the worst songs. Yeah.
[00:17:02] Speaker A: But from the start I think it's great so far and it is very dockey Azie the Riff.
[00:17:08] Speaker C: Ron Nevison did also produce Ultimate Sin.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: Oh, well, there you go. It kind of sounds like that. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: One look for the Jezebel Phony Valentine now you see the one Wild oozing in corner time.
But you can feel the stomp in your veins now holding bad taste in your claim Surprise the skies better out of nowhere the chaos of the U.S.
knowing that you can't resist the thrill, the kill and you know that's Sam.
Ram.
Surprise.
[00:19:59] Speaker C: I would say this is. Hey, I have Steve Stevens. Here's a showcase case. So much room to breathe. I think that's awesome. So interesting because in the beginning, like, okay, that keeps doing his thing. He's got little things. And then when it goes into like the solo solo. I think he's very interested because I don't know every single Billy Idol song. But I know he didn't have this much space to breathe there as he does here. Mark, what do you think?
[00:20:23] Speaker A: It was awesome. This is what I'm saying. When you get guitar players that are on a different level. He's on a different levels. Guitar player. You know who he is. He doesn't sound like anyone else. He likes using different sounds.
[00:20:34] Speaker C: He uses.
[00:20:34] Speaker A: Is that little ray gun thing in here too. I mean, I think it's awesome. That was so long. What was that? A minute and a half? It was fucking long.
[00:20:42] Speaker C: Big ass solid. This is clearly. Look who I have. Without a doubt.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: And you know what? He's technical, but he's not so technical that there's no feeling in his playing. He has both of those things. He has the technical part and he has the feeling part.
[00:20:55] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. He definitely has feel. It goes with the song. It doesn't overdo it to the point where you're like, all right. I thought that was a great song alone.
[00:21:04] Speaker D: His first song's got me saying, mly who?
I mean, wow.
In your face. Here it is. All guitars.
Completely unleash Steve Stevens.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:21:16] Speaker D: Wow. I'm not too sure about that futuristic sci fi sound. And a little bit in the middle there that he had going on, but it works. He made it work. And it's. Wow.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: That's his trademark though. He has that thing down. He did that on Billy Idol stuff. It's just his thing. It sounds like you're surprised that this is that guy. Good.
[00:21:33] Speaker D: I expected it to be good, so. Because who's there? Did I expect it to be this good?
[00:21:37] Speaker A: No.
[00:21:39] Speaker D: I really thought it was going to be like Vince saying, this is about me. Don't make it about you. You're going to tone it down. But no, he at least see Stevens here. Wow.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: It's a big middle finger. You to mle crue.
[00:21:50] Speaker C: Yeah. This has to be. I haven't heard this in a while. I do remember always liking this song. I didn't remember the solo being this long or being this good. I'll be honest with you, I probably wasn't paying attention to that as much. Assuming that the other solos aren't as long. This is definite. Say, hey, look, look what I got.
Look what he can do.
It's like Rudolph the red nosed Reindeer when what's his name brings in the bumble he's like, look at what he can do. And he puts the star in the tree that's what this is.
[00:22:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Seriously, it's really good. Verse 2. An ocean of temptation Every drop of wine Shadows meeting face to face Tentacles entwine One look from the Jezebel Phony valentine Now you see the wanderer Frozen in corridors of time Pre chorus. The same chorus is different. Surpr.guise better run now you realize the kiss abyss Knowing that you can't resist the thrill the kill and you know it's over Then the gigantic guitar solo, which is half the song. And now we're coming back to the chorus. Here we go.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Surprise.
Disguise.
The chaos.
The brill the kill and you know that it's over.
Sam.
[00:24:21] Speaker C: I like the way he did that at the end too. The look in her eyes. He held off on it as opposed to doing it the way he did in the other choruses. I always remember this being a pretty strong opening track.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: It's very, very strong. Frank, go first.
[00:24:34] Speaker D: I gotta catch my breath for a moment there. Wow. There's something about this song I don' I don't like. The lyrics are perfect. It aligns with the music. Great. The guitar was awesome. Production arranged. I'm gonna go eights across for this one.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: I never heard this. Or I might have heard this. I don't know. I always heard that this record was good. I think. Do I do eights across? I mean, it's very possible. I don't know. I think I'm gonna have to do eights across. I think it's that good of a song. And the drums are really good. Whatever he did in Enough's Enough, they were holding him him back because I don't know what the happened here, but it's not the same guy. Eights across. For me,
[00:25:15] Speaker C: I was gonna do sevens, but you know what? You guys convince me. I mean, that solo alone elevates it. And lyrically, that's probably the best we're gonna get on this record.
Let's just make it triple eights across the board.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: I don't know how we're gonna top that. That was great. The next one is Sister of Pain, which I believe. This was a single, Correct? Correct.
[00:25:36] Speaker C: This was a video on MTV, I remember.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: Yep. It went to 12, and I didn't mention that. The album did go to 13, but from all accounts, it never went gold nor platinum. 12 is pretty good. Yeah.
[00:25:47] Speaker C: I would have thought I would have at least gone gold, but who knows?
[00:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah, who knows? Supposedly not. It did go 100,000 in Japan, though, which is gold in Japan.
[00:25:54] Speaker C: Oh, I didn't know that.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: Y okay, here we go. This is Sister of Pain.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: There's a little old place down south of La Grange where the whiskey flows and the night goes on for days My home on the range There's a sultry queen Santa sat on me Was the best damn thing that I ever seen oh, yeah She's a victory.
That preacher's daughter she took out whoever
[00:27:01] Speaker D: TR
[00:27:03] Speaker B: she put me into sin and now I was confessed She's a sister.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: Obviously nowhere near as good as the first one, but I don't think it's terrible. Mle Cruey, for sure. I actually like the production better on this one. I think it's a little bit more open. I think the drums sound better in this. And obviously he's given some room, too, on the guitar.
[00:27:39] Speaker A: Guitar work is still great. It's definitely more mly crew, especially in the vocal melody. You're wondering when you're hearing this, how much did Nikki Sixx make Vince Neo sing? Melody from what you thought. He was the one that, you know, wrote the melodies, wrote the music, wrote the lyrics. This is very Motley Crue.
[00:27:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: And the chorus was pretty good. I remember the song now once the chorus came in. I have to say, so far, two choruses in a row, not just repeating the words. So it's a good plus on that.
[00:28:06] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:28:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: The words aren't as good, but they're not horrible. I mean, at least they're not as TNA as they could be from him.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: Yeah. I think it gets worse.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sure I probably does.
[00:28:14] Speaker C: I think he gets worse in this song.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:28:17] Speaker C: I wouldn't expect him to necessarily stray too far from it.
[00:28:21] Speaker A: No, me neither.
[00:28:22] Speaker C: Frank, what do you think about this one?
[00:28:23] Speaker D: Great followup? He's being true to who he is. He's not trying to go out and sound like the Seattle bands. He wants to be who he is. He wants that rock and roll feel so good for him for sticking to that. And that's why we got a great follow up song here.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Verse 1 There's a little place down south of La Grange where the whiskey flows and the night goes on for days My home on the range There's a sultry queen set her sights me was the best damn thing that I've ever seen oh yeah, she's Evangeline. Pre Chorus that preacher's daughter she took off her leather dress she pulled me into sin and now I must confess. Chorus She's a sister, sister of pain She's a knock down, drag out, lick it up, do it again. Yeah, it's catchy too.
[00:29:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: I bet you we're gonna have another good solo from Steve Stevens.
[00:29:06] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:29:07] Speaker C: Maybe 15 minutes or whatever.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: You know what? He can play for as long as he wants to play.
[00:29:11] Speaker C: I know. Honestly. Yeah. If he plays like that, I'm okay with it.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: I wish Mick Mars was given this much space in the last record Steve Stevens has here.
[00:29:18] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: Okay, let's continue.
[00:29:37] Speaker B: She brought me back to a dark hand room See, this is all me by.
That night I saw the light I never seen before When I thought my time.
You're a knock down drag it out, pick it up, do it again oh yeah my sister baby Drop down Spider man Open up the toy again Suck your soul, make a Batman say with a touch of a hand Bring the devil out of me.
She held the sign said I have no fear. We got a liquor in the front and pok in the.
[00:31:46] Speaker C: I think even in the first one there's. And I don't know who came first. If anybody influenced anybody. A little Steve Vaya here in his playing. What do you think, Mark? What do you think of that solo?
[00:31:55] Speaker A: Yeah, still long. Not as long as the first one. But he got everything he needed. He changed it up on the second part. It was more dirty and wawa the song. And then he was more technical in the second part. I can't complain. I think it was great.
[00:32:09] Speaker D: Amazing. Wow. He really did go wild on this one.
[00:32:12] Speaker C: It's great.
[00:32:13] Speaker D: A lot of technique for sure. You can hear that in there. Awesome.
[00:32:16] Speaker A: Verse 2 Such a sweet young thing took a bite out of me she spread her cards out for all the word to see oh yeah, I went willingly she walked to walked me back darkened room and said this one's on me boy I want to see you howl at the moon and I'm talking soon Pre Chorus that night I saw the light I'd never seen before When I thought my time was up she said how about a little more chorus for the sister? Sister of pain. You're a knock down Drag it out Lick it up do it again oh, yeah A sister, a sister of pain Drop down, Spread them out Open up it's only a game now the next part is coming up to be the Gene Simmons logging your fireplace part. Suck your soul Make a blind man see With a touch of her hand Bring the devil out of me she held up a sign Said I have no fear we got liquor in the front and poker in the rear.
[00:33:03] Speaker C: Pretty fast.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: It is the Gene Simmons log in your fireplace lyric.
It's funny. I'm not surprised that this is in here after all the Motley Crue stuff. What do I expect? Yeah, but still, song's good. And by the way, the background vocals, if you didn't know, are Jack Blades and Tommy Shaw.
[00:33:20] Speaker C: Yes, I actually heard about that. That interview sent us. He talks about the Tommy Shaw. I remember Tommy Shaw being mentioned. I don't remember Jack Blades, but Tommy Shaw.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: That's why it sounds so good.
[00:33:29] Speaker C: Those guys can sing together.
[00:33:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:31] Speaker C: Holy crap.
[00:33:32] Speaker A: No doubt. That's why their band was so good.
All right, let's play it out. Here we go.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
Sister, sister pain.
[00:34:53] Speaker C: You got your first fade, Mark.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: It wasn't that bad.
[00:34:57] Speaker C: What, the fade?
[00:34:58] Speaker A: No, just the general. It's a fun song. There's a couple of cringy lyrics in here, but it's very Motley Crue. It's what they would write about. It's a very style that they would write it in. This, I think, is another big you to them. I don't need you. Look what I can do by myself.
[00:35:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: Why don't you go for a set?
[00:35:13] Speaker C: Foreign lyrics pretty bad. I will say an 8 on the production because I gave an 8 on the first one. And honestly, I think this one is produced better than the first one. And I'll a six on everything else. Yeah, not bad. Other than, you know, the lyrics being whatever as far as melody and music. And obviously Steve Stevens is definitely having some room to breathe. Not bad. A decent one, two punch.
[00:35:34] Speaker D: Frank, I'm almost with you there. Definitely like the one, two punch. I'm gonna go five with the lyrics, seven across the board for everything else. It's very well played, very well produced. The melody. Everything about it is just really, really good.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: I think I'm gonna do five on the lyrics, six on the melody, seven on the music. Because I think his playing is really good. The drumming is still good. Even Vince Neil's singing, playing, arrangement six. And production, eight. Wow.
[00:35:57] Speaker D: Arrangement six. Wow.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: It's okay. There's some weirder parts There that I didn't particularly like that much. It's not as good as the first song, but if you're a Motley Crue fan and you're coming to this, you're going to like this. You probably listen to this. You thought it was great. Then you heard 1994 and said, what the just happened? If you're a Mly Crew fan and you want to hear this type of music, I'm assuming they might have heard this before their record came out, which I'm sure they did. If they told you they didn't listen to this, they're lying. They had to be curious.
[00:36:21] Speaker C: I don't know. Especially if they got along as well as vino made it sound sounded. Interviews.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: I think it was a very softball interview.
[00:36:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: All righty. The next one is can't have your cake, which I think was a single as well. This went to number 34. All right, here we go. Can't have your cake.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: When I was a young woman?
You ain't always gonna get your way? Times will be good and times will be bad?
You ain't always gonna get a winning hand does she always said you got us to talk even when it looks like it? Take on my cloud? Life is short and sometimes sweet? Get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat? Everything she said was true?
My mama never was a fool?
Just live your life by the golden rule? I guess it's true what they say?
Really true what they say I guess what my mom said come true? Can't have your cake you need it, you baby.
[00:37:59] Speaker C: This is very mly crew. Honestly. Never one of my favorites. This, to me, was always a skip. Sorry.
[00:38:04] Speaker A: It's a little filler. I do think he's talking about the whole situation that's going on, though.
[00:38:09] Speaker C: You think so?
[00:38:10] Speaker A: It feels that way to me, anyway. I don't know if that's the case, but that's what it sounds like to me. You could take it lots of ways, but I'm taking it. You can't always get what you want. You can't always have the winning hand. You got to stand tall. I think that has something to do with this.
[00:38:24] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a lot of cliches, too. The whole mama said and can't take the heat very cliche. I think the first song lyrically was very different. I wonder he could have written it, but lyrically, especially from these two, very different. To the point where, like, I don't think he wrote the lyrics for this one.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: I think you're Going to find that because it was Vince Neil, Steve Stevens, and Phil Susan on. On the first one.
So he comes back around on track four. We'll see what track four sounds like.
[00:38:54] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: And we'll see if the lyrics get better.
[00:38:56] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:56] Speaker D: Got two back to back. High octane songs. They all can be dingers. So far, this is starting to shape up to be like a ground ball single.
[00:39:05] Speaker C: You're still giving it a single, huh? He's getting the first.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:39:09] Speaker D: I mean, you know, I listen. The other ones were just freaking majestic home runs over the fence. I mean, they were so good. This one, this is a song everybody gets up to, go back to the concession, get another round of beer.
[00:39:20] Speaker C: I hear you.
[00:39:22] Speaker A: Verse 1. When I was a young boy my mama would say, son, you ain't always gonna get your way. Times will be good and times will be bad. You ain't always gonna get a winning hand, son, she always said you gotta stand tall Even when it looks like you'll take a fall. Life is short and sometimes sweet. Get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat. Pre chorus. Everything she said was true. My mama never was a fool. Just live your life by the golden rule Chorus. I guess it's true what they say. Really true what they say. I guess what mama said was true. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Bait.
[00:39:50] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like, again, just one cliche after another.
[00:39:53] Speaker A: But I think music wise, I think it's still good. Guitars are good. Bass and drums are good.
[00:39:58] Speaker C: Yeah. And production, I think, is definitely strong. Without a doubt, that first drift isn't bad. Musically, it's okay.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: It's, you know, my expectation would. Is that it would be good. Even if you may not like the lyrical content, I think the musicianship is probably going to be good.
[00:40:11] Speaker C: Yes, the musicianship is definitely good.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, let's continue.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: She wants a disappoint world but honey, you gotta choose.
She wants a lunch D she wants cavity out.
Mama never raised a fool, Taught me all the rules. Catch a ride on a falling star Everything she said was true.
My mama never was a fool.
Just lived your life by the bowling rule. I guess it's true what they say.
Really true what they say.
I guess what my mind said the truth can't have your cake, you need it too, baby.
I never doubted any word my mother said with all the s and running around inside my head.
[00:41:43] Speaker C: What about that one Mark? A little bit more condensed.
[00:41:45] Speaker A: Yeah, a little shorter. I don't think it was as adventurous as the prior two. Still good. Like the first two. Better than that one. And now we're getting to the typical breakdown thing that's going to happen.
And verse two was not as good of a verse. It was. Felt a little jacked up. It didn't fit. Weird words, weird melody.
[00:42:03] Speaker C: It was a little bit different.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: This is definitely a filler type of song.
[00:42:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:07] Speaker A: Verse two. Daddy dropped a billy so I'm going to buy his baby the blues she wants to visit both worlds but honey you got to choose she wants the lobster, she wants the cabernet Mama never was a fool taught me all the rules Catch ride on the falling star I don't think even know what the happened right there. They just ran about ideas.
[00:42:22] Speaker C: I think the star trip down the steps.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: It's up.
Pre chorus is the same. Chorus is the same. The bridge. I've never doubted any word my mother said with all this sinning running around inside my head Guitar solo. And now it's this little interlude. Here we go.
[00:42:52] Speaker B: You.
Everything she said was true My mama never was her fool Just live your life by going.
I guess it's true what they said Everything she said was true My mama never was a Just live your life ever coming.
I guess it's true what they say really true I guess can't have your kids, you need it too, baby.
[00:43:47] Speaker C: There's a lot of philosophical criticism, cliche moms in rock. I've noticed that sit their kids down and tell them these things.
My mama told me a lot of mamas. I don't remember my mom having these conversations.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: Me either.
One last piece. The bridge. Woohoo. Hey. Mama was never a fool oh well she gonna show me what to do. Wow. And then basically the same pre chorus and chorus is out. I'll go first since I haven't went first yet. The lyrics are okay. I'm gonna give them a four because of that up line and four on the melody because I didn't like that second verse at all. Music's still good. I'm going to give it a seven. Arrangement I thought was fine. I'll give it a six. And production I think is still okay. I'm going to give that a 7. Frank.
[00:44:27] Speaker D: The only conversations my mother ever had when it came to this was you better stop your and lower that music because my house cuz trying to go to sleep. That's the only thing my mama ever said.
[00:44:36] Speaker C: You better skip that third Vince Neil song.
Yeah, you better.
[00:44:41] Speaker D: That's what you better be skipping. You better skip that.
[00:44:43] Speaker C: You better put those Songs back on.
[00:44:49] Speaker D: Not as great as the first two. The music was good. The production melody. I still find those to be very good. So I'm gonna give those seven the lyrics.
Not that much. And I'm gonna go five. Yeah, Seth.
[00:45:01] Speaker C: I'll say seven on production, five on everything else. It's never been one of my go to's.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: Okay, next one's up is Fine Fine Wine.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Wow.
She's all right It's a good way she get in my way it's all right all right.
Oh, yeah oh, yeah Listen Sing it all Turn and hear a call oh, yeah oh, yeah Aim a chipping dancing Liquor dripping down the pine Taste of golden honey Sweet is getting money.
[00:46:35] Speaker C: Oh, no I think this song is like a fine, fine thunder bird wine.
I think the music is okay. But again, this is just too. I don't know, just too straight up. I find it boring. I just do. Typical. You come after these two songs and. Yeah. Sister of Pain is not this revolutionary thing. I think with the first one really was something you weren't expecting from him. I'm a sucker for that D.
Even though that does remind me of a song. I couldn't think of it. Maybe if they go back to it, I'll think of it. This, to me, is just straight up something I would expect from him where I'm like, all right. Yeah, I guess is what he's doing.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: Wasn't it girl school?
[00:47:12] Speaker D: Yeah, girl school at the girl school.
[00:47:16] Speaker C: Yeah, that could be it. That could be it. Good call.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: The lyrics are whatever. The one thing I can say about at least these lyrics, they're all rhyming and they're all in the same meter. So whatever this guy does, he straightens him out a little bit. Regardless of whether I like the words or don't like the words, I think that it at least fits. This guy's good at doing that for him.
[00:47:34] Speaker C: Yeah, structurally it's better.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Yeah, structurally is good music. Still good. Steve Stevens is still doing a great job. He's given. What if he's given to work with. They can't all be look in her eyes. No.
[00:47:43] Speaker C: But I like that thing he's doing in between. That rift. That's in between. Whatever that was, I think is my favorite part. Yeah. The musically, it's not bad. Maybe a little bit different melody and words to this. I think it's a stronger song.
[00:47:54] Speaker D: It's okay. It's all right. I like the opening part because it reminded me of Brittany Vicks, the girl school. It also reminds me of another song escaping Me. But I'll tell you what, you're not gonna hear that kind of opening happening from Nikki Six. That's for sure.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Used to. Not anymore.
[00:48:08] Speaker D: You used to. Not anymore. You're right. Let me rephrase that. You're not gonna hear that anymore from Nikki sixx.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: Nope. Verse 1 Baby's long and tall man, she's got it all she's all right, all right Hips have got to sway Shaking it my way it's all right all right Verse 2 Full body curves with the legs she serves oh, yeah oh, yeah Lips that say it all Turn and hear her call oh, yeah oh, yeah Pre Chorus Ain't no cheap and nasty liquor Dripping down her vine Taste of golden honey sweet, sweetest candy money Bottle it and make her mine Chorus Give me a taste of your fine fine wine Ruby Sticky sweet as summertime Let me taste your fine fine wine One more drink gets me feeling all right now, see, they had the rhyme and all working and then the last line they it up.
[00:48:51] Speaker C: Isn't sticky sweet on Dr. Feelgood?
[00:48:54] Speaker A: Yes, it is. Again, this is cheese from the 80s lyrics.
[00:48:58] Speaker C: Change it up. Make it sticky sour or something. You know what I mean? Mean, just be like.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Or just take these lyrics out and whoever wrote the first song, make him write lyrics with them again, all together.
[00:49:08] Speaker C: That's the same guy in the thing.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: It is.
[00:49:11] Speaker C: This sounds like the song before it.
[00:49:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:13] Speaker C: Well, I mean, again, not the Sister of Pain was. Whatever.
[00:49:16] Speaker A: It was a little bit better than the last two, though.
[00:49:18] Speaker C: Yeah. That told a little bit more of a story.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:49:28] Speaker B: It's okay.
Okay.
We ain't gonna stop some food away the top. It's okay.
Okay.
Give me a taste of your fine fine wine Grow fast yeah Sweet in summert Let me taste your fine fine wine One more drink if I feeling all right Give me a taste of your fine, fine.
Sam.
[00:51:11] Speaker C: I wonder if Steve Stevens was stopping and Vincent was like. No, man. A couple more bars. Really? Okay.
Because, I mean, that was a decently long solo. I thought it started off and then it got a little bit more interesting and technical as it went on. But still feel. I thought that was a pretty decent solo.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I liked it a lot. Did you just try to do Steve Stevens as an English guy?
[00:51:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Is any British?
[00:51:30] Speaker A: Oh, he's from New York.
[00:51:31] Speaker C: Oh, sorry.
[00:51:34] Speaker D: He's from Brooklyn, I think.
[00:51:35] Speaker C: Dude, honestly, I didn't know. I apologize. I just like the whole Billy Idol thing. I thought he was British, too.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: Funny.
[00:51:41] Speaker C: My bad. Yeah, my bad.
[00:51:44] Speaker D: Stereotyping.
[00:51:44] Speaker C: Sorry. He'd be like, yo, man, sorry. Should I do that?
[00:51:48] Speaker A: Yeah, it's better.
[00:51:49] Speaker C: We're all not from New York.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: But I think that he had a lot of control of what happened on this record. I think he forced himself to feed the bass player. Even though the guy wanted to play bass. He was like, no, I'm playing bass. Think he had a lot to say.
That's what it said. It said, he says, I'm playing bass. I don't care if you want to play bass. I'm playing bass. So there we go. I think he had a lot of control, and I think he is controlling the arrangements of these songs and what he's going to be able to play and what he's not going to be able to play and how long his solos are. I think it's all up to him. And the solo was great.
[00:52:17] Speaker C: Yeah, it was interesting. Technical. Yeah, I liked it.
[00:52:19] Speaker D: So what did the other guys do?
[00:52:21] Speaker A: They didn't do anything. The only. The drummer, he played all guitars and the bass. It says here that what ended up happening was he came in and the guy wanted to play bass. Whoever this was. Let me see if I could find his name.
[00:52:35] Speaker D: Phil.
[00:52:36] Speaker C: Susan.
[00:52:36] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:52:36] Speaker C: Who is that guy? I know that name. Did he play bass with somebody from Mozzie? Oh, okay. That's who it is. I knew. I knew that name. I was gonna look it up, too.
[00:52:45] Speaker D: I really do think that I thought he was the original bass player of the band.
[00:52:49] Speaker C: I knew that. Robbie Crane. I thought he played bass because, like I said, I had the CD and he. His pictures in the cd, so I assumed that he played bass. I didn't look to see who was
[00:52:58] Speaker D: actually playing Mick Mars's pictures on every Motley crue album after 1994. He didn't play.
According to Mark.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: Not according to me. According to Mick Mars.
[00:53:10] Speaker D: According to Mick Mars, he didn't play anything.
[00:53:15] Speaker A: Supposedly, Robbie Crane was switched from rhythm guitar to bass because the guy that was there wanted to play bass. And Steve Steven came in and said, nope, I'm playing bass, but I'm.
[00:53:24] Speaker D: The basis
[00:53:27] Speaker A: was the bass player. And Steve Stevens just said, you know what? I'm playing bass. Suck it. Because he left his band, which is Beggars and Thieves, to write with Vince.
[00:53:34] Speaker C: I remember them. Yeah, I think Nick had that one. Yeah. So Phil is actually British. That's why I was imitating, by the way. That's what I meant.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: All right, well, that works then.
[00:53:43] Speaker C: There you go. Saved.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: That's why I think that De Stevens has A lot to say about what's happening. They hired him, and I think he was like, well, I have to have control of what's going on if I'm going to be on this record. Vince Neil was like, sure, you know what you're doing?
[00:53:56] Speaker C: Yeah, good for him.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: Then the rhythm guitar player was moved to bass. Dave Marshall ended up being the rhythm guitarist. But neither those two guys played on the record. They were just for live.
And there's a whole other thing about the live situation that happened that I don't know if we're going to go into. But even if you don't like the songs, it's very consistent and on brand for Vince Neil. He's not going left turns, right turns anywhere, really.
[00:54:16] Speaker C: Well, the first song was kind of a. A left turn a little bit. I think he's settled in. And the next song is Left Turn as well, which is why the first one and the next one are two of my favorites on the record.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: All right, let's finish up this fine, fine song. Here we go.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: Fine wine, your best in your sweetest all the time Let me taste it's.
[00:55:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's another song.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Verse 3. We're here for the show Let your passion flow it's okay okay we ain't gonna stop so throw away the top it's okay okay. And then everything is pretty much the same. Oh, actually. And I like the slide guitar. That's pretty good, too.
[00:55:45] Speaker C: Yeah. No, there's nothing wrong with the musicianship.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: It's cheesy.
[00:55:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: They can't all be like the first song, but like you said, maybe the next one you like. That's probably going to be a little bit different. It's not going to be in the vein of the three songs we just.
[00:55:56] Speaker C: Or it's not. From what I remember. It's not. And I think it's one of the better ones.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: All right, go first.
[00:56:01] Speaker C: I will say a four in the lyrics, seven on production, and I guess five on the rest. These are two skips for me. Back to back. Mark.
[00:56:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Lyrics aren't great for the melody is a little up for music. I say seven because I think the music is fine. And I think Steve Stevens does a great job. Arrangement five, production, seven. Right.
[00:56:22] Speaker D: I'm going to do list lyrics. I'm going to give this a 5. Melody, a 5, and 6 is the rest of the way. I don't think it was a badly produced song. The music is good. It's just not as good as the first two.
[00:56:35] Speaker A: Okay. This is the edge.
[00:56:49] Speaker B: It's.
The end of the glory of the trail the steam waters are mounts and hunger for the thrill Screams around the corners Sound like a demon twins a wind Their voice is pushing me to where I've never been I look at the car and they just see the rare I say so as I hear the skin that you have to share Pin not jump better up there Times on the edge Lean time on the edge.
[00:58:31] Speaker C: I think it's the best song since the first one. It's something you don't expect from him. It's heavy. It's got the flamenco. I think it's pretty good.
[00:58:39] Speaker A: Flamenco part was awesome. He got to use his little ray gun sound again, which I don't mind. I kind of think that's his calling card.
[00:58:46] Speaker C: I like it.
[00:58:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it. I think this is definitely almost as good as the first song.
[00:58:50] Speaker C: Yeah. I always remember this as a standout to me. Heavy. The first one I hear. I hear this one, I'm like, wow, this is. Was not what I was expecting from him, but it works. And maybe because Steve Stevens head ring, but I don't know if Steve Stevens actually even. Did he write this one too with him?
[00:59:05] Speaker A: Yes, he did.
[00:59:06] Speaker C: Okay. And Phil Saan again.
[00:59:08] Speaker A: Phil Shason. Yeah.
[00:59:09] Speaker C: I mean, I think this one works, and I think this is how technically would have ended the first time, but
[00:59:13] Speaker D: I'm not sure it is better than what we heard. The last two. Almost in par with the first two. They did it so far.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Verse 1 the edge of the moment the glory of the kill Thirsting for excitement and hunger for the thrill Screams around the corner Sounds like a demon in the wind the voice is pushing me to where I've never been Pre chorus Look at the cards and they just see the red I say it all it's all in the head Fears of skin that you have to shed if not you're better off dead Chorus Times on the edge means I'm on
[00:59:38] Speaker C: the edge of time Lyrically, clearly, completely different than the last three. And thematically close to what the first one was.
[00:59:45] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I like it. Let's continue.
[00:59:54] Speaker B: Today Black is my military to the lady I'm away I fear to see the black in every gentle town they can try and take my pride but they can never take my crown look at the cards and they just see the red Lost savior stolen the head be the skin that you have to shine down if not jumping down Time on the edge Life will run Time.
In my head means I on the edge of time There's.
Sam.
[01:02:14] Speaker C: Pretty sure. Steve Stevens said to Vince, here, listen, go down the corner, go get yourself a smoothie, a beer, whatever you want to do. We're gonna do some music here. Be a little progressive, passive. Don't worry about it. It'll work. Because you would not expect to hear this part. I played that to you, and I said, who do you think this is? Mark, would you ever. Or Frank say, that's Vince Neil?
[01:02:32] Speaker A: Hells to the no.
[01:02:37] Speaker D: It looks like Steve Steven said, vince, why don't you go and join those two other pineapples I just sent out of here?
[01:02:43] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, we're gonna be in Vic over here. We're gonna do some. Okay.
We're gonna pull in some Genesis, some Prague.
[01:02:52] Speaker D: Because, honestly, you're all right. So just join those other two pineapples. I said, out of here. Thank you.
[01:02:58] Speaker C: I'll tell you when to come back in and sing.
[01:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that was interesting. Boy, just to put all that stuff in there. It's pretty cool.
[01:03:05] Speaker C: Yeah. I always remember this one being a really good song.
[01:03:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I can't even complain about this. This is. I've been asking for some guitar playing, and, boy, I'm getting guitar playing everywhere.
[01:03:13] Speaker C: Holy moly. Yeah. More than I even remembered.
[01:03:15] Speaker A: Verse 2, maybe no tomorrow I live in my life today Luck is my religion to the lady I will pray I fear to see the black in every tinsel town they try and take my pride but they can never my crown Pre. Chorus. Chorus is a little different. Time's on the edge Life full of time Life in my head Means I'm on the edge of time I like the second chorus better.
[01:03:35] Speaker C: Yeah, he stretched it out.
[01:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought it was better.
[01:03:37] Speaker C: I think it sounds better stretched out. Yeah, I agree with you.
[01:03:40] Speaker A: Yep. All right, here we go.
[01:04:15] Speaker C: I would have liked more guitar solo there at the end. Believe it or not. I'm cool with that.
[01:04:19] Speaker A: And the drummer is so good on this record. How do you go back to Enough's enough after this?
[01:04:24] Speaker C: I heard an interview with Chips Enough, I want to say. It was on Decibel Geek, and they asked him about the drumming here, and he said, where the hell did that come from?
[01:04:39] Speaker D: I'm disappointed he hasn't had a drum solo section yet.
[01:04:42] Speaker C: Yeah, he's really strong in this record. Very strong.
[01:04:46] Speaker D: Where the hell did that come from?
[01:04:48] Speaker A: Maybe you don't let him do that in your band.
[01:04:51] Speaker C: It's different music.
[01:04:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:53] Speaker C: He's doing what he needs to do in the other songs, he's keeping it cool. But when it comes to something like the first One in this one where it's a little bit more intricate and a little bit more demanded of him. He's stepping up. I was very surprised when I remember opening this thing saying, hey, that's the drummer from Enough's Enough. And then I listened to. I was like, wait a second.
[01:05:12] Speaker D: What?
[01:05:14] Speaker C: They don't play like this on those records.
[01:05:16] Speaker A: Yeah. No, Frank, go first.
[01:05:18] Speaker D: I have to say that as a song played on, I liked it more. The guitar and the drums really stole the show for me. The lyrics were good. They were decent. Going to go ahead and give lyrics a 7 and 8 across for everything else.
[01:05:32] Speaker A: I love it.
[01:05:33] Speaker D: Sav.
[01:05:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I think I'm going to do the same. I think the lyrics in the first one were a little bit better. I'm going to say seven on the lyrics and N across and everything else. Musically, it's the most intricate and the most. To me, interesting since the first one and it's always been a standout for me.
[01:05:47] Speaker A: Mark, I'm going to go a little bit different. Seven the lyrics, seven in the melody, eight on the music, seven on arrangement, and eight on production. I think it's a great song.
[01:05:55] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:05:55] Speaker A: Alrighty. We're at the end of the first side. This is Can't Change Me. Was this a single? I know there were four. I don't know if this was an actual single or not. I'm not sure. I don't think so. Regardless, let's see what this is. This is Can't Change Me and this was written by Jack Blades and Tommy Shaw. Let's see what it does. Here we go.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: I see the headlights on the highway and I'm standing in the rain Gonna hit you right to nowhere she goes, Mary Jane Ashes and ashes leave it in the dust don't worry about missing me you do what you love won't change you can't change me me into something I could never be.
That you can change me.
[01:07:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I never f of this one either. I mean, I like the guitar in the beginning. It's in the same vein of the change song on Dr. Feel Good for Me. I don't know, I just feel this one's cheesy.
[01:07:48] Speaker A: I mean, it's fine. It's definitely a Night Ranger Sticks kind of song, which makes 100% sense. I don't think it's bad. I think the lyrics are pretty decent comparative to the songs in the middle that we didn't like. I still think this is better. It's not a horrible way to end the side.
[01:08:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. It's Retrospective. I guess even though he didn't write it, he could still relate to it, I'm sure.
[01:08:10] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:08:12] Speaker D: How are you going to follow that song? Let me just finish hearing more before.
[01:08:16] Speaker B: Man.
[01:08:18] Speaker C: I'm with you, brother. I'm not.
[01:08:21] Speaker D: Wait till we hear site 2. I have a funny feeling I would like this song better. It was the next to last track. But here after that last song. That was so awesome. Sorry. It just makes it look like a sad, sad bottle rocket after some spectacular fireworks.
[01:08:37] Speaker A: You know what you can do? You can make your own playlist and then just flop these two songs and it'd be fine.
[01:08:41] Speaker D: Yep, there you go. In that case, I give it all eights.
[01:08:44] Speaker C: There you go. I give your track listing an 8.
[01:08:47] Speaker A: Verse 1 I see the headlights on the highway I'm standing in the rain Gonna hitch a ride to nowhere Shake off Mary Jane Ashes to ashes, leave it in the dust don't worry about missing me, you can do what you must. Chorus change that you can't change me into something I could never be sure enough plain to see that you can't, you can't change me. It's not bad. It's not horrible. It's better than the stuff that was in the middle though. It's better than can't have your cake and fine fine wine.
[01:09:12] Speaker C: Yeah, lyrically it's better. Yes. Agreed.
[01:09:15] Speaker A: I mean music wise, this is fine. I like the little part that Steve Stevens threw in again. He said, everyone leave, let me do this and then come back and then we'll go into your song. Cuz it doesn't feel like they have anything to do with each other. He just wanted to put that piece in there and then record the other part, which is totally fine.
[01:09:29] Speaker C: If you're Vince Neil, you get away with it because you have a serious guitar player who's doing serious guitar parts on your own. Yeah.
[01:09:36] Speaker A: No one could say he didn't get the right guy. He's awesome. He's good with Billy Idol and here he has room to stretch out more than he probably doesn't Billy Idol. Even though he does lots of stuff in Billy Idol too. I don't know all their catalog, but from the stuff that I've heard, he still has a little bit of stretchy time. Not as much as here here. I think he's controlling the whole situation.
[01:09:52] Speaker C: Yeah, he definitely has a lot of room here.
[01:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:55] Speaker C: But you probably want to give him room. This is 93. This is not the era of hey, who's Ozzy's new guitar player? Who's Dios new guitar player. But you're breaking out on your own. And he's the singer of the band. You have to see who he has because he could either have somebody like this or just studio musician where you have. Okay, well, on this song, this guy played. This song this guy played. And blah, blah, blah. It's all hired musicians having somebody with the name. You have to give him room to impress.
[01:10:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think he would have done this unless he had control. Obviously, since he threw those two of the pineapples at. As Frank said, he did exactly what he wants to do. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[01:10:37] Speaker B: Why we losing our connection?
Why somewhere online?
Yeah, I'm hearing your suggestion but it's too late, Too late here tonight so many reasons.
Everybody's out of time I'll take my chances Baby, take what's mine Change you can't change me into something I could never be sure that place can I see that you can.
I can't change me you know you something to say but you can, you can't change me.
You're so heavy Tomorrow I'm so hearing today got more trouble than a man can borrow when you living it up, living it out of space.
Sam.
[01:12:43] Speaker C: Change I think the soul's my favorite part. Maybe if the jets did this song back in the 80s, I'd like it better. I don't know. I'm not feeling the song at all. Obviously, the beginning part fit and then that other thing kind of came out of nowhere. We're still kind of cool because it wasn't just electric, it was fuzz. Right.
[01:12:59] Speaker A: I had some fuzz, had some harmonizer on it. It was cool. Again, the solos are not disappointing. They're great. Everything he's doing is great. The song is okay again, musicianship wise. He's doing an awesome job. And we have to say that Vince Neil is sounding pretty good here.
[01:13:13] Speaker C: Yeah, I himself, I mean, maybe it's different. And who knows how this was produced considering what Tom Worm and said about producing them.
[01:13:21] Speaker A: Oh, what did we had to sing a word at a time.
[01:13:23] Speaker C: Yeah, that's crazy.
[01:13:25] Speaker A: I have to say we watched some stuff earlier on in the podcast where we watched him in 1990 singing. He sounded good. Actually, he sounded better than he was during Shout and all that other stuff. He was actually not bad. So I assuming he probably was still in that mode here before he started to phone it in, have everyone else saying. And where the memes are of him being the bobbin snowman and saying weird stuff because he doesn't really sing any words anymore.
[01:13:49] Speaker C: I have cried to those videos where they interpret his lyrics.
[01:13:54] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:13:54] Speaker C: I have literally cried from laughing so hard. Those things are so funny. If anybody is listening, just Google or YouTube. Vince Neil sings Dr. Feel Good. So funny.
[01:14:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it's hysterical. Verse two. Are we losing our connection? Are you somewhere on the line? Yeah, I'm hearing your suggestion but it's too, too late here tonight so many reasons Everybody's out of time I'll take my chances, baby, and I'll take. Which mine Chorus is pretty much the same. They added an extra line at the end. And the bridge is. You're somewhere in tomorrow I'm stuck here in today Got more trouble than a man can borrow when you're living it up, Living it up in outer space and we're doing solo and now we're running to the end. Here we go.
[01:14:43] Speaker B: You change no, you can't chase me into something I could never be
[01:14:57] Speaker A: Sure
[01:14:58] Speaker B: I see that you can know you can't change me.
You can't, you can't, you can't change me there's nothing I could never be Something I could never be.
Yeah, I bet you something to see but you can make it change me.
[01:15:54] Speaker C: I can change the song, though.
[01:15:56] Speaker A: You don't really like this at all, do you?
[01:15:58] Speaker C: Is it horrible? No, but it feels very typical. And maybe even if Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades contributed more of their background vocals. But even the melody, I just. I don't know. I just. This song has never stuck with me. From the first side, there's two songs to me, two and a half songs. Really. Those two songs really stand out. I always remember they were standing out. And then the second one was always like my number two tier. But these other ones, I was like, I'll go first.
[01:16:25] Speaker A: I don't think it's bad. I'm gonna do six in the lyrics, five on the melody. There's some weird stuff going on there. Seven on music because steve' Stevens do an awesome job. Arrangement six and seven on production, because I think the production is awesome. Frank.
[01:16:37] Speaker D: I'm going to do six on lyrics, seven on everything else. Listen, the musicianship has been great throughout this first half. Maybe we didn't like some of the lyrics or the melody of the flow, but for the most part, the music has been really, really solid. The guitar playing and the drumming has been solid. That's what I got. Set.
[01:16:52] Speaker C: I will say a six on the music, only because of the guitar. A six on the production, five on everything else. I would never Go back to this song. Honestly, there's nothing there for me.
[01:17:02] Speaker A: Honestly, so far, I have say I give him credit for making some choices doing songs that are not in his wheelhouse. There are three songs on here. Even this song's not super really in his wheelhouse. I guess it is. There was some stuff on Dr. Fre like this, I guess, but I still think he's taking a little bit of chances and saying, hey, look what I can do. I don't need these guys. They fired me or I left or whatever the case is. And look what I can do. I got a hot shot guitar player. Look what's gonna happen. I think that was the best thing he could have done. He couldn't play it safe because he played it safe. Safe. It wouldn't be good.
[01:17:32] Speaker C: I find myself saying the same thing as I did on the. The last one. We did the stuff that is straight up more of his style. And Motley Crue I don't really like, and the stuff that's outside the box I like better. I do think that the two songs that I like more here are probably better than the ones that are on the Motley Crue album. And without a doubt, the musicianship is better in the sense of the guitar player being given the space to breathe and really saying, hey, listen, here's fucking 12, 14, 16 bars of a solo. Just play your heart out and do whatever you want to do. So I think that's cool. And without a doubt, Mick Mars was stifled, at least soloing wise, I think on that album, which isn't necessarily a thing. He really had nothing here. Steve Stevens is able to play acoustic guitar. And not only that, if you listen throughout the songs, he throws in these little solo things on either side, like either channel, and they pop in and out, which is cool. Him being able to do that and being the guitar player he is, I think makes this stuff more interesting. And I think he shines. He and the drummer shines.
[01:18:33] Speaker D: As I tell you, this album came out in 93.
[01:18:36] Speaker C: Is that correct, Mark?
[01:18:36] Speaker A: Yep, 93.
[01:18:37] Speaker D: Okay. So Dr. Philo was what, 90?
[01:18:40] Speaker A: 89.
[01:18:40] Speaker D: 89. They toured until 90 or 91. Right. Whatever the time is. The fact that I'm trying to get to is so far he put out a good album in such a short period of time in a very quick turnaround. And it's really, really good so far. And it's more true to who he is.
[01:18:55] Speaker C: I'd like to be a fly on the wall, the wall of this recording, because we've seen some of The Motley Crue stuff, that really seemed like a band effort. And I know that Mark, in that interview that you'd sent us with Ricky Rack, when it sounded as if he said they kind of got together and jammed. What Steve Stevens is doing is not just jamming. Definitely not on the first song on the Edge. That's not just jamming, that's figuring out. And not to knock Vince Neil, but it's not as if he was a singer, guitar player. We could say, yeah, he wrote a lot of the songs and I don't even know how many, many lyrics he wrote then. So I would like to be a fly on the wall of this recording session, especially those two songs and see exactly what went down.
[01:19:32] Speaker A: My assumption again, like I said, is Steve Stevens had stipulations about what was going to happen when he joined this. He has to be the guy that's in control and does everything. You can tell by just the guitar breaks how long they are. Most of them are more than four bars. I don't think there's one four bar guitar solo here. There's most of them, eight. That first one is probably 16. The age is probably 16. It's long. I didn't count it out, but they were long. And again, he's a different kind of guitar player than Mick Mars. Different guy. Mick Mars was great for the things he did in the times that he did. But when you want hotshot guitar player, you couldn't have picked a better guy to do this.
[01:20:04] Speaker C: But the sad thing too, in the sense of especially knowing Mick Mars relationship with Motley Crue, those three songs that are very Motley Crue, he's still given the space and the songs that we said, we very Motley crew on the self titled one. Mick Mars was still given no space to be Mick Mars.
[01:20:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that overall, I think so far Vince Neil is winning this fight. It might not have sold as much as Motley Crue, but if you just take it on the face of the records themselves, I think so far he's winning. Now what happens on the second side, I don't know. But as of right now, I say that he's in the lead.
[01:20:37] Speaker D: I think that Steve Stevens and Ricky Fox and John Corabi should gang together and see what they do, see what they could do together.
We go on the same stadium tour with not have.
[01:20:53] Speaker A: All right, so I want you to do your thing.
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[01:21:00] Speaker A: Boneless, you know, like those chicken wings without the bone.
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[01:21:16] Speaker A: Rock with that pod on all the social media. Rockwelletpodcast.com do the polls through the merch. You know what to do. Put us on your auto download and rate us 5 stars wherever you rate your podcasts, because that helps us out and we want to get to more people, so that would be awesome. Next week, we get to finish up the twofer and finish side two of Vince Neil Exposed. Let's see what you can do on the second side. My assumption is guitar playing is still going to be good. I haven't had this much guitar in an episode. I don't know how long I can. I can't wait to see what happens.
[01:21:44] Speaker C: Mark, which was what we did recently, where you expected a lot of guitar and you got none. It wasn't Motley Crue.
[01:21:50] Speaker A: It was mammoth.
[01:21:51] Speaker C: Mammoth. Yes. Yeah. You said there were. You thought there were way more solos.
[01:21:55] Speaker A: I could have swore there were, but there weren't.
[01:21:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Remember, this is more riffing.
[01:21:59] Speaker A: Yep. I mean, there was enough guitar on there, too, but this is a different level guitar.
[01:22:04] Speaker D: Yes.
[01:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:22:05] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:22:06] Speaker A: This is a lot of solo and good solo, too. It's not just wank off solo or going, ah, this guy. He's just doing all the cliche. It's the same stuff over and over. I don't think I've said that once here, because it's not the case.
[01:22:19] Speaker C: No, honestly, even the songs that I didn't like, what I was looking forward to was what he was going to do in the solo.
[01:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, we'll see you guys next week.
[01:22:27] Speaker C: Ciao. Ciao.
[01:22:28] Speaker D: Good night.
[01:22:28] Speaker A: Later,
[01:22:41] Speaker B: Sam.
