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[00:00:51] Speaker C: But you're kind of like a spaceman, huh?
[00:00:53] Speaker A: No, actually I'm a plumber.
He's one sandwich, sort of a picnic basket.
He had a bad experiment in the.
[00:01:14] Speaker D: The plutonium didn't work right?
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Come on and tell me.
[00:01:27] Speaker C: Listen, I got a little piece of pipe backstage I'd like to have you work on.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Tell me about it.
Look, it's rock and roll.
[00:01:59] Speaker D: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Rock Roulette Podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 1, 600 albums, stuck them in a list, stuck them in a wheel. Every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record for us and we go through a track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music and want to do a podcast. And once again, every week we really want to thank anybody who's listening, everybody who takes this journey of discovery and rediscovery with us. These numbers keep going up. We really, really appreciate it. Reach out to us, tell us what you like, what you don't like. The fact that Mark got some response on his poll regarding Ace was awesome, whoever that was. We really appreciate that tonight we are a trio again, which is always great. We have Frank back.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: My name is Frank and I'm sexy.
[00:02:58] Speaker E: Great to be back.
[00:02:59] Speaker D: We have Mark. Oh, hi Mark.
[00:03:01] Speaker C: What's up guys?
[00:03:02] Speaker D: And I'm Sav.
This week we wrap up the second half of Trouble Walking, which is part of of our H. Fraley tribute, who unfortunately passed away recently pretty sudden. Even though the clock felt ticking for a long time for this poor guy. He kind of just went suddenly and who knows, maybe that's for the best, but obviously a lot of outpour. He was a massive influence, not only on guitar players, but I think of musicians in general. Kiss was very visual in their style. A lot of people have them as influence that you may or may not even ever think. There's Dimebag. A lot of the grunge bands, pretty much a lot of people. Mark, I know you're obviously the reigning Kiss fan here in H. Was your favorite. I meant to ask you, and I think I forgot. Was he the reason you picked up guitar? Was he one of the main reasons?
[00:03:48] Speaker C: I would think so. I picked it up later on. When you're seven years old and you see that Alive 2 cover, you open it up and it's that big thing with all the flames. And how can you not want to do that? It was such a visual thing. Probably. I would say he's my first guitar hero.
[00:04:00] Speaker D: And Frank, was Ace.
[00:04:02] Speaker E: Your favorite being how Mark used to rock him 24 7. I guess that became my default guy.
Yeah, No, I. I thought Ace was really cool. I. I just remember as a kid, the first time I saw Kiss alive, when his guitar caught fire. Freaked me out. How does that happen and stuff. Then later on, you know, you learned it was part of the theatrics. I thought it was really cool. From that moment on. That's what I remember about it.
[00:04:26] Speaker D: Frank, did you ever get to see him or them?
[00:04:28] Speaker E: I seen Kiss three times. I saw them when they first got back. I regret not going to see Ace. He was around not that long ago. He does some venues locally. I don't know why. I just didn't know why and see him. So I regret not catching him. But no, I never got to see Ace solo.
[00:04:44] Speaker D: I mean, Mark and I mentioned it. We went to see him the last time. He had the same set as he did the time before. And it had been a few years in between odd Kiss choices. Where I would have liked to have heard more of his stuff. I was more disappointed in the set than anything else. Mark, I know that you saw a few videos on this most recent tour. I really saw some in the beginning where it was really rough. You had said even seeing some later on, he got better. Not as good as you would have hoped.
[00:05:11] Speaker C: I don't want to speak ill of the dead. Yeah, I know we're not here to say everyone's perfect. Even though he's my favorite Kiss guy and he's a big guitar influence on me, I want to see him play well. I don't want to see him play sloppy. And missing things was a little rough toward the end. Now, again, he was 74. Take that into consideration. We spoke last week. I wonder if some of this stuff had to do with what was going on. He just didn't seem like he was on. He was missing things, missing vocal cues. Not that he didn't do that before, but it was really exaggerated as of late. Give him credit. He's the most prolific as far as KISS members putting out music. Music after Kiss, he's put out more records in the last 10 years than kiss has. He was doing it all this time. He never really stopped. I mean, number two, he probably needed to do it. He didn't have as much money as other two guys did.
It was a little rough. The first couple times we saw him. It was okay. The last one was a little bit sloppy. Seemed to get better toward the end of the set. Was the only guy playing KISS music at the last time we saw him. Because Kiss, I think, was almost on the end of the road. So he was still playing Love Gun.
[00:06:10] Speaker D: What else they played Deuce, Cole, Jan, which is fine. I mean, Cole Jin is fine. Detroit Rock City. I think he did this is not to knock him. It's the opposite. Where I want to hear more of his stuff. I went to see him to hear his stuff. That's why when some of these things were replayed like, ah, come on, Ace.
I had fun at each of the shows. Singing wise, he sounds exactly like he does on the record. And the band was pretty strong. I'm glad that we got to see him as many times as we did.
[00:06:36] Speaker C: Yeah, we got lucky. We saw him three times. Two different bands.
[00:06:38] Speaker D: Before we dive back into trouble walking as always, we have our newest segment, the New Bets.
[00:06:44] Speaker E: In a world where new music is not easy to find, welcome to New Bets.
[00:07:03] Speaker C: Here is the new Bets wheel.
[00:07:17] Speaker D: A day to remember all my friends I want to say the name of the band sounds familiar.
[00:07:21] Speaker C: And don't ask me where I got it from, because I don't know. I just troll for new music and I stick it on there. Hopefully we find something we like. This is a day to remember all.
[00:07:30] Speaker A: My friends oh shit, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends oh, shit, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends I got a saxophone the crew of my hometown it said be ready to roll I'm ready die so they don't have to ask me yeah. Cause they already know I turned on the radio they're playing the boys are back in town the boys are back in town I pick me up There ain't no way Imma calm down, calm down it's like oh shit, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends Aw, shit, here we Go again Another night out here with all my friends when we walk in the door Everybody's like, man, I ain't looking for trouble it's like a here we go again Another night out here with all my friends the button to ask. You want to make that a double?
Yeah. 42 patron. It burned on the way down but after a couple I threw him back like a pro Now C's behind me he's screaming tonight is for the boys Tonight is for the boys we're going to hurt in the morning but there's no turning back now it's like aw said, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends Aw said, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends when we walk in the door Everybody's like, man, I ain't looking for trouble it's like, oh, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends Put your trick in the air and toss it through Right here and right now Paint this town tonight Put your trick in the air and toss up the right here, right now Burn it down tonight Put your trick in the air and toss up the right here and right now Paint this town tonight Put your trick in the air Toss it through Right here and right now Burn it down tonight Cheers.
Everybody say, oh, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends oh, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends when we walk in the door Everybody's like, man, I ain't looking for trouble it's like, oh, here we go again Another night out here with all my friends Another night out here with all my friends Another night out here with all my friends I see it as.
[00:10:33] Speaker D: Emo country, if that makes sense. That's what I hear. Like that 90s, early 2000s, I guess. There's definitely a country tinge to what I hear. You can easily convert this into a country song. I mean, it's catchy. Not too bad.
It's catchy.
[00:10:47] Speaker C: It is catchy.
[00:10:48] Speaker D: It's got a good hook. It's not my style.
[00:10:50] Speaker C: I do agree that there is a little country going on in there. You could make that a country song really easy. The problem for me is just there's so much stockness. You knew exactly where that was going, every part. I just want someone to change things up once in a while, just a little bit, make it a little bit original. I just don't know. And I feel this with modern country to the same exact way. It's so the same. It's so samey.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: Same.
[00:11:14] Speaker C: You missed the time where one band sounds like this and another band sounds like this. One guy sounds like that. These days it feels like everyone's old in the middle and they all do the same song, the same stuff, and the same break. You knew that little break was coming down. You knew the end was going to come that way. It was just very predictable. That being said, it is catchy.
[00:11:31] Speaker D: I will say, though, I was expecting it.
[00:11:33] Speaker C: Dream.
[00:11:33] Speaker D: I was waiting for a scream at that point. When he was going back in at the break, I was waiting for the oh.
And they didn't go into that. Frank, what do you think?
[00:11:42] Speaker E: Like Mark said, very predictable. You knew exactly where it was going and how it was going to end. Breaks everything about it. It's nice to see the 2000s still alive and well in music.
[00:11:50] Speaker D: Frank, I have to ask you the obligatory question. Do you hear any Pretty Boy Floyd in this?
[00:11:55] Speaker E: No, I do not. Not this one.
[00:11:56] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:58] Speaker C: If you like it, let us know. If you don't like it, let us know. And let's rubber stamp this. Here we go.
[00:12:04] Speaker E: In a world where new music is.
[00:12:08] Speaker D: Not easy to find.
Welcome to New Bets.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: Now back to Ace FR to the title track. This is trouble walking.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Out on the street there's a lesson learned? You play with fire and you'll get burned on a loose end. You just love the book that honestly what catches the way you look? Cause I have trouble walking?
Every mother's night, man. I have trouble walking.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:13:29] Speaker D: Mark, tell me this riff. Is it a riff riff that when you hear, you're like, I've heard this somewhere before. I don't know if it's just this or I feel like I've heard it before.
[00:13:36] Speaker C: It's a very used position, guitar, playing wise, so that's why. Not exactly. But yeah, this place, you've heard stuff like this before. It's catchy. It's all get out.
[00:13:46] Speaker D: Yeah. Good. I feel like he's pushing his voice in this one again. It's full sounding. The production is good. The drums sound great. The vocals are really prevalent on this album. The background vocals, they're recorded well, but there's a lot of that gang voice vocal going on, which I always like. When it sounds good, I think it fills out this song.
[00:14:02] Speaker E: So I was thinking the same thing. I've heard this riff a thousand times.
I'm just trying to remember maybe an AC dc, maybe there.
[00:14:10] Speaker D: Do you like the song overall?
[00:14:12] Speaker E: Oh, yeah, I do, I do. I like it. This is the Ace that I remember. Just Loud guitar forward. And his vocals are just right there.
[00:14:19] Speaker D: Mark and I had mentioned, too, there are some throwbacks to 78 on this album that you probably didn't. At least I don't remember hearing on. On the Fraley's Comet stuff.
[00:14:27] Speaker C: 100%. This is not, I don't think, a throwback to 78. It's just a good rock riff. And I have to be remiss if I didn't mention this. So I know Eddie Trunk was talking about Ace and said that he would have probably got a big fucking laugh about how he passed away because he fell down the stairs. Because he made an album called Trouble Walking. I don't think that's what this means. You could take it two different ways. He has trouble walking. He can be making fun of his balance, but I think it's more about he's trouble.
[00:14:51] Speaker D: I've heard him comment on this. If anybody looks it up, I'm sure you can find it. He says, yeah. You know, people thought it was. I said, I have trouble walking. But no, that's my best Ace. Really? Right there.
[00:15:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Curly. I have trouble walking. Yeah. The chorus is, I am trouble walking I'm every mother's nightmare I am trouble walking Whoa oh, oh, oh oh oh, oh, oh, oh Verse. Out on the street there's a lesson learned. You play with fire and you get burned on the newsstand there's another book out on the street what counts is the way you look. And in chorus, pretty straightforward. Lyrics aren't horrible. They're basic stuff.
[00:15:25] Speaker D: Cliche kind of thing.
[00:15:26] Speaker C: The melody is good, though.
[00:15:28] Speaker D: Yep.
[00:15:28] Speaker C: So you don't even need to know what he's talking about on this. You just listen to it and have fun. That's all it's about. And it's a good way to start the side. Very in your face. You want to start the size strong. And he didn't start the whole album with this. He waited to the second side before he got to Trouble Walking, which I think was a smart idea. I like the sequencing. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:15:46] Speaker A: There ain't no doubt I got what you need, you've been banging. Baby, please, please, please got to live my s you can't escape. I have trouble walking Every mother's night and Trouble Walking.
[00:17:01] Speaker D: Two things before we get to the solo. That part there. Peter Chris is doing background vocals on this one, right?
[00:17:06] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:17:07] Speaker D: I was like, God, that sounds like him there. And I think he's on this one. That bridge part, I will say for the solo in my Opinion. I like Ace in the higher register. I like when he goes higher on the fretboard. I just like what he does down there more than lower middle. Once it cut to that end part of the solo, that's where I was like, yeah, Like, I love that.
[00:17:25] Speaker C: I think the beginning part was very composed, which is very early Kiss, like. And the second part was a little more eight fraily isms. Now I need to go back and let's listen to that last part, because I have to listen to. For Peter Kraft. I want to back this up a little bit before.
Oh, yeah, now I hear it.
[00:17:56] Speaker D: Sounds good.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: Good. Yeah.
[00:17:57] Speaker E: Does sound good. Very Kiss, like. Sounds good. I like it.
[00:18:00] Speaker D: Well, you've got half of the original Kiss there.
Like I said before, he's really pushing himself on this record more than the last two I. And, like, maybe like you said, Mark, he was a little bit clearer, yo.
[00:18:11] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:18:11] Speaker D: More focused, maybe coming out of the haze. That was second sighting.
[00:18:14] Speaker C: It sounds like it. It sounds like he's really focused. His vocals are very good on this album For Ace. For Ace, vocals, these are really good. Verse 2. There ain't no doubt I got what you need? You'll be begging, baby, please, please, please? With every switch sharper than a you in my sights you can't escape Then the chorus, then the solo, and then the post solo. No matter where you run? No matter where you hide out here there's a rule you'll find only the strong survive. He could be talking about the Bronx, too, which would be kind of cool for us since we're all from the Bronx. It's very Bronx sounding. I'm sure that influenced some of his writing.
[00:18:47] Speaker D: Was he part of Gangs and he.
[00:18:49] Speaker C: Was in the Ducky Boys for a little bit, but he said music saved him.
[00:18:52] Speaker D: Was it Ducky Boys or Duckies?
[00:18:53] Speaker C: I'm thinking the Ducky Boys, I believe, from what I heard. Heard. All right, here we go.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Whoa, It's Jasmine.
[00:19:46] Speaker D: Who's I laughing at the end?
[00:19:48] Speaker C: Ah. Who do you think?
[00:19:50] Speaker D: I don't know, man. Kind of like Peter.
[00:19:53] Speaker C: No, it's Ace.
[00:19:54] Speaker D: Fre. I wasn't as high as Ace usually goes. I could be wrong. I think that's up for debate. Great.
[00:19:59] Speaker C: All right, watch. Let's let Frank go first because he wasn't here last week. What are you doing, Frank?
[00:20:02] Speaker E: I'm gonna go sevens all the way across. I really do like the vocals, the music, the composition, the arrangement. Everything about it is really great. As Sav mentioned, he really did push himself to the limit so far. When I think about the second album and this album in comparison by far. You could tell he just came out of that haze, as Sav said, and really wanted to do something different and really get it going. Sevens across for this one.
[00:20:25] Speaker D: Yeah, it's Steve and it's Quintuple seven. Nikki Titty Baby. I don't think the lyrics are that great, honestly. I think they're just. I'll say five on the lyrics only because Mark mentioned the Bronx, but other than that, they're just cliches. They're not bad. I'm gonna say an 8 on production and sixes on the other ones. I think it's a good song. I think I gave Sevens to some things I may have liked more on the other side. This is subject to change, but that's where I'm gonna be right now. But I do think it's a good song. And like you said, Mark, for people who know what a side is, this is definitely a good way to start the second side. What do you think?
[00:20:57] Speaker C: I think I'll do six on the lyrics and seven on everything else. I think it's a great song. I think it's a great way to start the side. I don't mind the lyrics that much. I don't really care about the lyrics here. I think the melody is really good. I think the chorus is really good. It's a good song. It's much stronger than pretty much everything that's on the second album from him. This is his reawakening and it's not as fluffy. It's more hard rock. I think it's good. The next song is Too Young to Die. This is sung by Richie Scarlett. We saw them do this with Return of the Comet when they played in the Chance and Poughkeeper.
[00:21:25] Speaker A: See?
[00:21:26] Speaker C: And this is where Savino got deafened by his guitar playing because it was so loud.
[00:21:30] Speaker D: I've mentioned it before. I'll mention again, only because you brought it up. Worst ear pain I've ever, ever had at a concert.
[00:21:36] Speaker C: It was loud. It was loud. This is too young to die.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: When we're walking urban streets and we got ourselves a gun not thinking about our lives in the chat chat church Ducking down through alleyways of fear a hungry cat G no, no, no now we can take it no more we're smash down society's wall Bad boys are coming, it's too late to cry?
You better stop running or kiss your ass goodbye Bad boys are coming it's too late to cr.
Too fast to live we're too Young to die.
[00:23:15] Speaker D: When I first heard this, I said, how the hell is that not Peter Chris?
And now I hear it more. I hear that it still sounds like him. It's a mix like Peter Chris and Benny Mardones.
You know, she's a 16 year old guy.
I've always thought this is a strong song. The melody is good. It's clearly. It's got a message. I've always thought this was a pretty standout song on this album.
[00:23:37] Speaker E: I'm digging the gallop sound. That giddy up thing that they got kicking in there, I like it.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: It's definitely a standout on the record. I would have liked Peter Chris to sing this because I think he would have done a great job. It was a Richie Scarlett song. I understand why he's singing this.
[00:23:49] Speaker D: He does a good job.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: Yeah, he does a great job. I'm not too sure about all the guitar playing, whether. How much is Ace Fraley here? Some of his parts sound like him, but their styles are very similar. I have to listen to it a little bit more to see if those in between fills are Ace or the Richie. I'm not sure. I think it's great. I like the riff, I like the message. I think. Think it's good. It's definitely a good one, two opening punch in the second side. Whoever sequenced this did a really good job of sequencing. Here are the lyrics. While we're walking urban streets and we got ourselves a gun. Not thinking about our lives in the shape, shape, shapes, shapes of things to come. Ducking down the alleyways of fear A hunger crack calls and he no no nose knows the end is near. Now we can't take it no more. We'll smash down society's walls. Bad boys are coming. It's too late to cry. You better start running or kiss your ass goodbye. Bad boys are coming. It's too late to cry. Too fast to live, we're too young to die.
[00:24:36] Speaker D: Thing too to me was.
[00:24:37] Speaker C: Oh, okay, C. Yeah, I know. I actually think they missed an opportunity. Even though this is his song, someone should have said, Peter Chris needs to sing this.
[00:24:45] Speaker D: He's on background though, in this one too, though, isn't he? Or no.
[00:24:48] Speaker C: Yeah, he is. You can hear him. But I think he would have done a great job anyway. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: Clock strikes 12 and the wind begins to moan. Shivers down our spine and it's no, no, no.
Return home now we can take it no more.
We're gonna rip down society's walls.
Bad boys are cutting it's too late, you better stop running or kiss your ass goodbye.
Bad boys are coming.
It's too late to cry Too fast to live we're too young to die.
Sam.
[00:26:43] Speaker D: Mark, if you had to guess, who would you say that was?
[00:26:45] Speaker C: I'm pretty positive the last part is Ace Rayleigh. And I can only tell there's a couple of telltale way he picks. I know that's a weird thing to say. I can hear the way he picks is a certain way. The beginning part. It could have been anybody. It could be Ace. I don't really know know. I don't know if Richie would want to do a solo on his own song. Maybe he would. Possible. I think most of it's Ace, though. Personally, it's good. I thought it was great.
[00:27:06] Speaker D: I like the first part better than the second part. Believe it or not.
I like the noises they were doing more than the actual solo. Not that it was bad. I like the way that came in and filled everything up. It's a cool little piece.
[00:27:18] Speaker C: And that riff was pretty good that they changed up to.
[00:27:22] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, overall, this has to be one of Ace's heaviest songs, right?
[00:27:26] Speaker C: I would think so. So, yeah. Especially on this album.
[00:27:28] Speaker D: I've always liked this song.
[00:27:29] Speaker E: I am, actually.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: I am.
[00:27:31] Speaker E: I can see why you guys would think that Peter Chris should have sang it. I think it's perfect as is.
[00:27:35] Speaker C: All right, let me read second verse. Listen, little darling I said you'll never understand Our times running out, out, out, out out in this jungle land clock strikes 12 and the wind begins to moan Shivers down our spine and there's no no, no, no returning home. Back to the pre chorus. Back to the chorus. And pretty much the chorus is going out. This is going to be a good out.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Looking down the fucking wall Bad boys are coming it's too late to cry, you better start running oh, kissing sorry as goodbye Bad boys are coming it's too late to cry Too fast to live too going to die it's too late to cry.
[00:28:53] Speaker D: I don't like that. That fade was way too fast.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: I was going to say I didn't like that.
[00:28:58] Speaker D: The end, that was way too fast. I don't remember it ending that way. Other than that, I have no complaints.
[00:29:03] Speaker C: All right, well then go first.
[00:29:05] Speaker D: I'll say six on the lyrics and eight on everything else. I think it's a strong song. It's been a while since I've listened to this record. Trouble Walking definitely stood out to me. I remember that one. This one, absolutely. The first side I would say at least three or four of the first five songs. I remember it's a really good one to punch for the second side. Frank, what are you going to give it?
[00:29:23] Speaker E: I'm going to give it seven on the lyrics, eight across everything else. It really is the heaviest songs that I've heard from Ace definitely does kicks it up that extra notch. Everything about the song is really good. Mark.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: I'm gonna do seven on lyrics, eight on melody, eight on music, eight on arrangement. I'm gonna give it seven on production. Just because that fast fade was way too fucking fast. That's the only downfall to that. I forgot how fast that fade was. It should have started fading probably a good 10 or 15 seconds prior to that. It wouldn't sound so rushed. I do wish Peter Chris sang. That was an opportunity that they missed of having him there. And I know Richie Scroller probably wanted to sing that, but would it have hurt to put down a test vocal with Peter on there and maybe not release it and out as a B side? I think it would have been great. I mean, his voice is very similar in certain parts to Peter Chris.
[00:30:08] Speaker D: Absolutely.
[00:30:09] Speaker C: I like the outro playing. I think they have to change and rift during the solo. There's lots of cool stuff in there. This is back to school.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Back from vacation and you're eager to learn Anticipation mixed with desire no one can stop because your heart's on fire Back, back to school I'll teach you all things that you never knew you're going Back, back, back to school I'll give you everything you know it's true. Cause it's back to school for you.
[00:31:28] Speaker D: Probably the most blatant background vocal on this album.
Holy.
[00:31:35] Speaker C: That could be. Oh, could that be Sebastian Bach?
[00:31:39] Speaker D: Holy cow. Just out of nowhere, just screaming.
I feel that this. This is Ace Frehley doing Britney Fox almost.
It's not terrible. Is it the worst one so far? Probably.
That being said, still, the production's solid. The riff isn't bad. It's a silly song. And just hearing him scream in the middle of that chorus is hysterical. I mean, Mark, what do you think? Worst one so far?
[00:32:10] Speaker C: I guess you have to say. Yes, I thought it was worse than this, but it's not as bad as I remembered it to be. Be. I'm not too sure I like the Sebastian Bach thing back there. Like, he's not even trying to blend in with anything. He's just like, I'm Sebastian Bach. Here I am.
It's very. Follow the guitar vocal, follows the riff, and he's done that before, so he hasn't really done very much of that here. I mean, a little bit in Trouble Walking, very similar to that. But the Sebastian Bach thing is the most hysterical thing on this whole record.
[00:32:38] Speaker D: Bass was really strong in the one before that and this one.
[00:32:41] Speaker C: And drums.
[00:32:41] Speaker D: We always say Anton Fig just to give John Regan some credit. It was really prevalent in this one and the one before.
[00:32:48] Speaker E: Look, it's a fun song and they're having a good time with it. You can hear it with that Sebastian Bach just blurring it out. It is what it is. It's just a fun song. They're just a bunch of guys jamming in the studio. It was good.
[00:32:59] Speaker C: Okay, here are the lyrics. Hot summer's gone and you're still ready to burn Back from vacation you're eager to learn Anticipation mixed with desire no one can stop you cuz your heart's on fire Back, back to school I'll teach you all the things that you never knew you're going back, back, back to school I'll give you everything and you know it's true because it's back to school for you Clearly a pro tutoring song.
This could possibly dip into a situation which Savino doesn't particularly like too much. He doesn't really say any numbers or ages. It feels like it could be that way, but it's not as blatant as it could be.
[00:33:34] Speaker D: I don't think is it coming or.
[00:33:37] Speaker C: Listen to the words and you'll say there's not really any blatant. You're 16 and I'm not 93. Nothing like that.
I think the intention of the lyrics is really what would probably catch your eye. Let's continue. Here we go.
[00:34:07] Speaker A: Your best concentrate and you pass the test Back, back to slo I'll teach you all the things that you never knew you're going back, back to school I'll give you everything you know True. Cuz it's practice for you.
I'll be your teacher and you'll be my graduation is what you deserve.
[00:34:44] Speaker D: I understand what you're saying. I just feel like he's kind of speaking like if she could be younger, but not that much younger. You know what I mean? I think he's just kind of using these innuendos and school metaphors. But she could be not too far in age from him. How old is he at this point anyways? In his 30s.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think.
[00:35:01] Speaker D: Don't get that creepy specific vibe. I can understand how it could be seen that way.
[00:35:05] Speaker C: I don't think it's creepy in the same way as the other stuff is creepy.
[00:35:09] Speaker D: Yeah, no, I'm not getting that vibe. I do think it's funny that Sebastian Bach was three rooms down when he was recording his vocals.
[00:35:16] Speaker C: It sounds like he was in another place.
[00:35:18] Speaker D: It's funny he's louder in the first one. It's just an odd background vocal.
[00:35:22] Speaker C: Does nothing for the song whatsoever. You should just leave that out. Leave it out.
[00:35:28] Speaker D: Maybe he did it after.
[00:35:29] Speaker C: I don't know. I don't know the background of when this was done or how it was done, but it always irked me a little bit. Cuz the song isn't horrible and that thing just throws everything off. It just doesn't belong there. Most of the times you do background vocals, you're trying to blend and make background vocals not stick out like you're the lead vocalist.
[00:35:46] Speaker D: And he doesn't do anything else. I mean, maybe he is. Well, supposedly he's all over this record one way or another. Not to the point where we've never said, oh, there he is. Is this is blatantly him.
[00:35:56] Speaker C: I know.
[00:35:57] Speaker D: Maybe he'll get a scream solo. That'd be cool.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: I think they just cut him off. They made him do it and they never put it on the tape. They were just like, heck yeah, sing that. We just won't hit the record button, that's all. While you're doing that. Okay, next verse. Now I'm the teacher but I have no degree. Forget the rest, I'll teach you biology. Now just relax and you'll do your best. Concentrate and you'll pass the test. Back to the chorus and then this post chorus. I'll be your teacher and you'll be my pet. Put down your notebook because there's no written test. Graduation is what you deserve. You'll have no problem because I grade on a curve. The lyrics are funny. They're innuendo in there. They are funny.
[00:36:33] Speaker D: They are funny.
[00:36:34] Speaker C: I almost think the lyrics are one of the best parts of the song because they're just so silly.
[00:36:39] Speaker D: He's written worse.
[00:36:40] Speaker C: Lots of people have written worse. I'm not going to say who that might be, but there have been worse. Frank didn't get that one.
[00:36:45] Speaker E: No, it was fate.
[00:36:47] Speaker C: That's what it was. If you know it was fate. Remember if it was fate, that was much worse.
[00:36:51] Speaker D: Well, you said that PBF was better than fate in terms of lyrics.
[00:36:54] Speaker C: Yeah, PBF was better than fate. I have to say yes.
[00:36:57] Speaker E: Oh, pbf.
So Sebastian Bach is throughout this whole album.
[00:37:02] Speaker D: He Said supposedly. I'm kind of reading along to some of the stuff, and this one website has them all over the place.
Him, Sabo, and Boland on background vocals.
[00:37:12] Speaker E: Really? Wow.
[00:37:13] Speaker C: Pepe Castro, Al Fritch, and Pat Summers. That says background vocal, so I'm assuming they do background vocals everywhere. Oh, and by the way, did you know Anton Fig didn't play on Trouble Walking? I didn't mention that. That Sandy Stick Slavin.
[00:37:24] Speaker D: Oh, who is that?
[00:37:25] Speaker C: He's from Riot.
[00:37:26] Speaker D: Oh, we got to see if they're on the list, man, because that's another band that comes up constantly. A band that everybody should know and doesn't.
[00:37:35] Speaker C: All right, I'll double check. Let's see. All right, solo time. Here we go.
[00:38:03] Speaker D: Shortest solo.
[00:38:04] Speaker C: I think so far it's the shortest. And I think it's the most Kiss. Like, it's the most early Kiss. Like, I thought it was pretty decent. Yeah, it was like four bars. Yeah.
[00:38:12] Speaker D: So Pepe Castro is also from the Bronx.
[00:38:14] Speaker C: Well, but a name like Pepe Castro, where else would you be from?
[00:38:17] Speaker D: And he went to DeWitt Clinton High School, Right? Isn't that where he went? One of the high schools?
[00:38:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. They're probably high school friends.
[00:38:23] Speaker D: He was in the Blues Magoos. I remember that. My dad talking about. About them.
[00:38:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I think he said that that was one of the bands that came out of the Bronx that made him think he can make it.
I'm just back this up a little bit and let's play it out. Here we go.
[00:38:44] Speaker A: You're going back, back to school.
You're going back, you're going back, back to school, school.
I'll teach you all the things you going to do. We going back, back to school.
I give it everything that you know true. We going back, back to school Back, back to school, back to school, back to school, going back to school.
[00:39:47] Speaker D: I was waiting for. What do you think the teacher is going to look like this year?
[00:39:50] Speaker C: Boy, he was all over that ending.
[00:39:52] Speaker D: Holy beginning part, when it first went back was okay. I was like, okay, this is what I would have liked more of with the background vocal. I don't know if you guys remember the I think it's Only My Heart Talking by Alice Cooper on Trash, where Steven Tyler just kind of goes off at the end. It kind of reminds me of that. We just like.
Like he does his thing.
Whether or not it necessarily fit. It's kind of like that.
[00:40:17] Speaker C: Yeah. This could probably be the worst out of everything. And it's not bad out of all the original. Unless I think this is the worst. I don't think Sebastian Bach helps it, which is not good. I'll go first. I'm going to give it sixes across. I don't think it's horrible. I think the words are funny. I think he's just having a good time with this. I probably kept digging a little bit because Sebastian Bach, I guess they were just happy to have him sing like that. They were like, oh, let's just leave it on. I don't know if that was the right choice, but they did it. Frank.
[00:40:40] Speaker E: I'm going to give lyrics of 5. Everything else is 7. I do like the music. I think his range really well. The solos are good. I got to tell you, Sebastian Bach, I didn't see that one coming. He was definitely not on my bingo card to show up on the song.
[00:40:53] Speaker D: T. I'll say a six on the lyrics as well. They're kind of funny. I'll give them that. I will say six on everything else but production. I mean, I think it's still really strong. I'll say an 8 on the production again. I think it's still really, really strong.
[00:41:06] Speaker C: Eddie Kramer's doing a great job on this. Regardless whether you like the song or not, you can hear everything. You can hear Sebastian Bach. That's all that matters, really. On Ace Fry's album.
[00:41:14] Speaker D: Yeah. Even though he was across the street.
[00:41:18] Speaker C: I know it sounded like he was far away. They probably had to keep him far away from the microphone because he's going to blow it out because he was screaming so loud. This is Remember Me, and I'll play this and we'll talk a little bit about it, because I remember this, and it's going to be interesting to see your reaction. Here we go.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: Hey, good evening at the club. Friend. We lacking friends. All right.
Well, I'm staring down from Venus in the dead of night.
My mind is flashing back to when the world was right?
Your guns and bombs keep rolling off the assembly line and people keep on starving and you think that's just fine with my hand. The cloud that's easy to sing.
We better live together peacefully.
You know the world is still your family tree so keep it straight.
Remember me.
It's not too late.
Remember me.
[00:42:39] Speaker D: He basically had written three different songs and then combined them into one. Lyrically, I guess this is like his man in the the mirror.
[00:42:45] Speaker C: I guess it's supposed to be live, but obviously it's not live. It's fake live.
[00:42:49] Speaker D: I. I don't. I don't know what to say here.
[00:42:52] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not the greatest.
[00:42:53] Speaker D: What the hell? What does this so keep it straight, remember me have to do with anything?
[00:42:57] Speaker C: Maybe he's talking about the planet. At least the beginning part.
[00:42:59] Speaker D: Oh, but he's staring down from Venus in the dead of night.
[00:43:03] Speaker C: He's not on Earth anymore. I guess people are starving. Keep it straight. Remember me. It's not too late. Remember me? I guess. I don't know.
[00:43:10] Speaker D: Do you have to read the lyrics? Like, I'm sorry, I kind of jumped ahead there.
[00:43:13] Speaker C: That's okay. While I'm staring down from Venus in the dead of night. My mind is flashing back to when the world was right. Your guns and bombs keep rolling off the assembly line. And people keep on starving. You think it's just fine? With my head in the clouds it's easy to see. We better live together peacefully. You know the world is still your family tree. So keep it straight, Remember me. It's not too late. Remember me at the beginning.
[00:43:34] Speaker D: Reminds me a little bit of. Kind of. I don't know if you guys ever seen the Day the Earth Stood Still. That was a pretty good movie where the guy, like, freezes everything. And if I'm correct, I think he's from the future. And he says, if you guys don't fix your shit, we're going to blow you up. Because you guys screw everything up.
[00:43:47] Speaker E: The original or the remake?
[00:43:48] Speaker D: I haven't seen the remake yet. It's on my list. I don't know how much it differs from the original. I've only seen the original.
[00:43:54] Speaker C: The sentiment's interesting. It's a basic blues progression. There's nothing spectacular about the music.
[00:43:59] Speaker D: And you knew that snare hit was coming in when it came in.
[00:44:02] Speaker C: Yeah, there's no surprises.
[00:44:04] Speaker E: Is this a Christian song? Does he remember me? Is he talking about Jesus?
[00:44:07] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:44:08] Speaker D: I don't think so.
[00:44:08] Speaker C: I think it's the planet. That's what I think. Well, let's continue. Let's see, here we go.
[00:44:17] Speaker A: Flying above the earth's atmosphere.
And I got a few things to say you may not want to hear.
Now there's just enough time to repair it. As long as you don't let it get you down.
But there's not a whole lot you can do for yourself when you're buried on the ground.
With my head in the clouds it's easy to see we buried to live together peacefully.
You know the world is still your family free.
[00:44:52] Speaker D: So keep it straight.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: Remember me.
It's not too late.
Remember me.
There's so much yelling and screaming and lying and cheating and robbing and preaching that we've heard it. Oh, yeah we need some loving and caring and kissing and hugging and helping each other oh, we going to fall and that'll be all.
[00:45:47] Speaker D: I think the solo was the best part of the song. It's funny, I felt there was four parts to that solo. The third part to me didn't sound like Ace. The first and second did. And the last did that one little weird thing in the middle and then it went back high. I almost thought it was someone else playing the solo until it went back and I'm like, no, that definitely sounds like him. Again, I'm assuming it's all him. It's just weird. That one little part.
[00:46:08] Speaker C: It's all him. This song is just a basic blues. The lyrics are actually not horrible if you read the lyrics. The sentiment to the lyrics are really good. It's just weird that it's put to this music. It's never been my favorite on this album. It started to get to the end and it starts to get a little strange or it's not as strong.
[00:46:24] Speaker D: I would say if the last song wasn't an instrumental, this should be the last song on the album.
[00:46:28] Speaker E: Yeah, it stands out because how different it is from what we heard before giving that nice little bluesy sound. I do like the bluesy sound. The lyrics a little weak. The music is good. It's one of those songs that maybe was better as an instrumental.
[00:46:41] Speaker C: The lyrics are a little hippie dippy for him, though. He doesn't usually write lyrics like this. Speaking of that. While I'm floating and spinning and flying above the earth's atmosphere I've got a few things to say that you may not want to hear now there's just enough time to repair it as long as you don't let it get you down but there's not a whole lot you can do for yourself when you're buried underground. Back to the pre chorus and chorus. And then this part right before the solo is. There's so much yelling and screaming and lying and cheating, feeding and robbing and preaching that we've all heard it all. We need some loving and caring and kissing and hugging and helping each other or we're gonna fall and that'll be all. Remember me. And the solo.
[00:47:15] Speaker D: See, what a lost opportunity. Yeah, but this is a lost opportunity. Because when he says remember me, that's where you should have Sebastian Box Cream in the background.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: I remember you.
[00:47:26] Speaker C: I don't hear him on this at all. Maybe he left the studio by then.
[00:47:31] Speaker D: Yeah, he went another block over. They couldn't really pick him up.
[00:47:34] Speaker C: Now. The microphones were nothing that sensitive.
[00:47:36] Speaker E: Kind of reminds me of that song from that Disney movie, Coco.
[00:47:39] Speaker D: Remember Me.
[00:47:40] Speaker C: I think this is first.
[00:47:42] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:43] Speaker C: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: You know the world is still your family dream Just keep it straight Remember me It's not too late Remember me Just keep it straight Remember me Let's not to you Remember me Where we ram it Sam.
Thank you. Good night. We love you.
[00:50:03] Speaker D: We should have just said, nobody leaves here without singing the blues. I mean, that was Ace on the right and Scarlett on the left. Right.
[00:50:09] Speaker C: They were taking turns.
[00:50:11] Speaker D: That had to be. I think the soloing is the best part of the song. Like Frank said, if this was an instrumental, it's basically that stereotypical soloing I think was good, especially in the end. The rest of it I couldn't do without. I think it's perfectly placed as a song on this record.
[00:50:27] Speaker C: Why don't you go first then?
[00:50:28] Speaker D: It's a goof, I think. And I'll say five on the lyrics, five in the melody. Production is good. I'll say N on production. Again, I'll say six on the music, only because of the soloing, and I guess five on the arrangement. What do you think, Mark?
[00:50:42] Speaker C: Never my favorite. I know it started to get dicey toward the end of the second side. Back to School was better than I thought. I'll say five on the lyrics, five on the melody, seven on the the music, six on the arrangement. I'll say eight on production. I think the production's still good. And you got to remember, Eddie Kramer knows what he's doing about putting crowd noise into records, because he did a Live and Alive, too, and he made those things sound like it was real. He's real good at that, Frank.
[00:51:06] Speaker E: Mark, I'm going to be right there with you. I'm going to say five in the lyrics, five in the melody, seven on the arrangement, music in the production.
[00:51:13] Speaker C: If you want an instrumental, here comes an instrumental. This is fractured 3.
[00:53:51] Speaker D: So here's what I hear. I hear Zeppelin. I hear grunge, and I hear the Elder. And I think this was a missed opportunity. I think that this song should have been fleshed out with lyrics. I could picture Robert Plant coming in singing. I could picture Lane Staley and even Chris Cornell coming in with vocals, I think. And I understand the fractured timeline. If I were there, I would be like, hey, Ace, how about we do. This is a song you take that blue song, take the lyrics out, call it Fractured Blues. I think we may have something because I think this is way better than the two songs before.
[00:54:21] Speaker C: There's definitely a little Zeppelin in there. It's really good. You're right. It could make a song out of this. This doesn't have to be instrumental. There's a good enough melody and good enough playing here that you could have done something. Unfortunately, that's not what happened. It's still good the way it is, though.
[00:54:35] Speaker D: It is. I think with vocals. I think there's a strong melody to be had. It would have made a really full song. And yeah, I know the other two Fractured, and it's in the tradition, but I feel like the original Fractured is maybe simpler where it doesn't have this thing where I hear this melody and people singing over it as much. It sounds more like an instrumental. I don't really remember Fractured too honest.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: I'm digging it.
[00:54:55] Speaker E: I could definitely hear all the things that Sav was mentioning there. Reminds me a little bit of, actually. Steel Dragon. What is that song that they play?
[00:55:04] Speaker D: Nice. Yeah, A little bit of that beginning, kind of.
[00:55:08] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:55:09] Speaker E: I do like it, though. He really pounds on that there, though, huh? He really eats the balls out of it. There is a song in here. They should have done the reverse, put lyrics on this one and left the other one as an instrumental.
[00:55:20] Speaker C: I can't disagree with that. It's definitely a good idea. Here we go.
[00:55:38] Speaker A: It.
[00:57:10] Speaker D: I mean, that was great. I hear a little rush in there, too. A little progressive, maybe. A little. Yes. And I actually heard Stay Rid of Heaven yesterday for the first time fully through in a long time. And I really picked up on Jimmy Page and Ace Fraley. I heard Ace Fraley in that solo. And I know he mentions obviously what a big influence he is, but really paying attention to it and probably in preparation. Preparation for this said, man, do I hear Ace in that or him in Ace. This is really good. Honestly, Mark, is this. Knowing his instrumentals, I guess. The Fractured. Is this your favorite or is it first one?
[00:57:43] Speaker C: I like the first one, but I do like this one a lot. I think there's really good parts in here. I never really thought of it as being a missed opportunity, but it is a missed opportunity. This definitely could be a song and it could be a good song. It's just unfortunate they used it only for the Fractured stuff. This is one of my favorite fractures.
[00:57:57] Speaker D: Let what's his name sing on this.
[00:58:00] Speaker C: Is he going to be singing from another room again or in the same room this time.
[00:58:03] Speaker D: No, this time they could have put him close to the mic. Give him lead.
[00:58:06] Speaker C: All right, let's finish it up. Here we go.
[01:00:28] Speaker D: Mark, as far as you know, this wasn't an old holdover. This was written specifically because I hear the elder in this. I hear Gene Simmons. I hear a little bit of Only you. He gives me some of those vibes.
[01:00:38] Speaker C: As far as I know was written for this. I don't know all the intricacies of what. Where it came from, but I think it was written for this. I thought it was great.
[01:00:47] Speaker D: That was good.
[01:00:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:49] Speaker C: Are we going to vote on it or no?
[01:00:50] Speaker D: Well, you can't do any on the lyrics for me. Everything else, I'd give at least an 8. I thought it was really good.
[01:00:55] Speaker C: I think I'm going to have to mirror that, too. What do you think, Frank?
[01:00:57] Speaker E: I'm going to give it sevens. I really wish it had lyrics so good.
[01:01:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it was really good.
[01:01:03] Speaker D: Great way to close the record.
[01:01:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, there we go. That's a tribute to Ace. Rest in peace, Ace. I think this was the right record to do. Had a lot of Ace on it. It was sort of a comeback after the second sighting, and then they didn't produce another record until 2009. So 20 years later, it's kind of crazy.
Anyone want to say last words about Ace before we get to our outro?
[01:01:24] Speaker D: And they've got guns.
[01:01:27] Speaker C: You like that line, don't you?
[01:01:29] Speaker D: My favorite line, Delivery in that movie.
I mean, there's other good stuff. I just love that everything is serious. And he's like, and they've got guns.
[01:01:41] Speaker C: It's such a campy movie, too.
[01:01:42] Speaker D: Classic movie, man. You got Zerby in it as the bad guy.
[01:01:46] Speaker C: All right, S, why don't you do your thing?
[01:01:48] Speaker D: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast Network and the Boneless Podcast Network.
[01:01:52] Speaker C: Boneless, you know, like those chicken wings without the bone.
[01:01:55] Speaker D: As I say, great bunch of guys. Took us in both groups. And you'll find similar things on both groups. If you like individual podcasts about bands, check them out. You'll get Rush, Judas Priest, Tom Petty, Uriah Heap, you name it. It's on one of them or it's on both of them. So check them out. And mark, where can they find the US on the Interwebs.
[01:02:12] Speaker C: Rock with that pod on all social media. Rockwell, podcast dot com. Buy some merch, do the polls. You know what to do. Put us on your auto download and rate us 5 stars wherever you rate your podcast, because that helps us move up and get more listeners. And next week we will be back to our normal format where we'll be spinning the wheel and seeing what she picks. I'm glad we did this album. I think it's a good record for him. It's pretty solid. I think it's probably the best album outside of fr's Comet, probably.
[01:02:38] Speaker D: From what I remember, I would say yes.
[01:02:41] Speaker C: Very solid record as far as ratings go. There's going to be a whole bunch of stuff on the playlist.
[01:02:46] Speaker D: Yeah, deservedly too.
[01:02:47] Speaker C: Most stuff is Sevens and eight, almost everything.
[01:02:49] Speaker D: Strong record.
[01:02:50] Speaker C: We will see you next week.
[01:02:52] Speaker D: Cho. Cho, Curly.
[01:02:53] Speaker E: Take care, guys.
[01:02:54] Speaker C: Later, Curly.
[01:02:55] Speaker D: Beethoven's 5th.
[01:03:11] Speaker A: SA.
