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[00:01:03] Speaker B: Foreign.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: Welcome back to another episode of rock roulette podcast. That's right, the crazy ass podcast that took over 2, 000 albums. Suck them in a list. Suck them in a wheel. Every other week we spin the wheel. She picks a record first and we go through a track by track. We talk about the music, the lyrics, the production, the melody and the arrangement and we give it scores. Just a bunch of friends who love music want to do a podcast. And everyone who takes this journ, discovery and rediscovery, we really want to thank you. Tell us what you like, what you don't like. Maybe a song for the baby wheel or even an album for the mama wheel. We're definitely paying attention. We are a trio Tonight. We have Frank.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: My name is Frank.
[00:01:55] Speaker C: And I'm sexy.
[00:02:03] Speaker D: Hello.
[00:02:04] Speaker C: We have Mark. Oh hi Mark.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: What's up guys?
[00:02:07] Speaker C: And I'm Sav.
We wrapped up our anniversary episode last week by doing Band of Gypsies. My big takeaway was that, especially the first side. I think it was different being there and experiencing it. I thought the production was really good. I thought for a live album, which I'm assuming there probably wasn't any trickery done. Eddie Kramer did a great job in producing it. The playing is great. Jimi Hendrix really was a star. I don't know if that goes without saying. I definitely like the second side better than the first side. I know the first side. The songs were longer. I just liked when they just all got into it and it just took a while to get into it. Whereas the second side there wasn't as much fat and they trimmed the fat, which I thought was pretty cool. Mark, where does this rank for you?
[00:02:46] Speaker A: I thought it was great. I like both sides. I do like side two better. I think it was more song oriented. I was telling Savino off podcast that they do have a recorded version of Power Soul. I played a piece of it for him that was done on one of the posthumous Jimi Hendrix albums they released. I thought that was good too. I thought it was great. It's not up there with all my other three studio Hendrix albums, but I thought it was really good.
[00:03:07] Speaker C: And Frank, what do you think?
[00:03:08] Speaker D: Never heard about Hendrix album and this one followed suit. Like the two of you, I thought the second side was a lot better. But overall the album was very well produced. I felt like I was there in the crowd listening to the live. Everything was so clear. The music was so sharp. It was great. Just totally enjoyed to listen. Even listening through the interwebs. As Mark would say, whatever devices you to play it. It just sounded so good, like we were actually there. Loved it.
[00:03:33] Speaker C: Yep. Tonight we are doing two Audibles. I'll just say that are going into our new Bets Baby Wheel section.
[00:03:42] Speaker D: In a world where new music is
[00:03:45] Speaker C: not easy to find.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: Welcome to New Bets.
[00:04:00] Speaker C: As mentioned, we're pulling two audibles. One of them I am pulling because U2 has a new single out Silencio, which I heard little snippet of and I figured, you know what, I'm going to save it and it'd be a great time to do it on this podcast and get your guys opinion on it as well. Let's queue it up and see what's going on here with one of my favorite bands.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: All right, here we go. This is Silencio by YouTube.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: There's a quiet where a baby doesn't cry There's a hush where a mother might sigh Mary mama angel offer her a choice My son is listening if you got no voice Uneasy feeling I just heard a gunshot There are things you can get used to or not A thief at large in a carnival of souls in the silence the devil Rock and roll.
It's when I'm with you I miss you the most it's when I'm with you I miss you the.
There's a quiet way here the oceans roll There's a hush where you can hear another soul invocation Exaltation is the call There's a whisper where the mystery unfolds There's a quiet situation There's a diet saying spit it fucking out Peppers playing churches playing crowd control in the the silence is the devil's rock and roll Silencio C.
With you I miss you the most it's when I'm with you I miss you the most Just like a devil but tonight you're the host Holy Ghost.
[00:06:59] Speaker C: Very reminiscent of Vertigo. I do like the drum sound in the production. It could be a song that could grow on me eventually. I actually do like it better hearing it now than I did before. It's okay. I want to love everything they do. I have it for a while, which disappoints me, I guess. It happens. It's okay. I don't think it sucks. Mark.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: It was pretty good. It was very White Stripes. I heard a little bit of that and I heard a little bit of Vertigo because we used to play Vertigo, right?
[00:07:22] Speaker C: Yep. We should start the shows with it.
[00:07:25] Speaker A: I like the vocals and they had one vocal in the right, one in the middle. He was all over the place. Guitar only on one side, a la Van Halen.
That was pretty cool. I liked the production. I thought they did a really good job.
[00:07:35] Speaker C: Frank, what do you think?
[00:07:36] Speaker D: It didn't leave an impression on the first listen, but then again, U2's latest collection of songs and albums required more than one listen to grow the appreciation. It wasn't like YouTube of old. You heard it once and you loved it. Yes, very White Stripes. Yes, very Vertigo. Very modern sounding. U2. Don't hate it. Don't love it.
[00:07:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it's okay. I did like it better now than it did before. There could be hope. We'll see. I'm sure once the album comes out, it'll go on the list.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: If you like it or you don't like it, hit us up on social media and let's rubber stamp it. Here we go.
[00:08:06] Speaker D: In a world where new music is
[00:08:10] Speaker A: not easy to find, welcome to New Bets.
[00:08:24] Speaker C: Our second audible of the night is something that I'm pretty sure we had mentioned before. And the fact that Frank and Mark are incredibly shocked that I've never heard a single song by Velvet Revolver. It is very shocking. I knew of them. I knew who they were. I'm sure I would have been interested in hearing the music. Obviously. I was Definitely a big STP fan. Not so much a GnR fan, but definitely an STP fan. I think that God said so, you know, one day you will have a podcast. I said, what the hell is a podcast? Don't worry, there'll be a million of them. Millions.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: And some people may even listen to yours. And then and there you will listen to Velvet Revolver. I said, okay, I understand.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: Now I'm so shocked that you've never heard anything from them. Not even the singles and stuff. Nothing.
[00:09:08] Speaker C: I may have and just didn't know. And if they got lost in some shuffle soup. Because I have this discussion with my son too at times where he mentions bands to me from the 90s he'll say, did you hear this band or did you hear this album? And I say, I've heard of them, but I never listened to them. Or an album where he'll say, did you hear this? This was good. I'm like, yeah, I listened to it back then and I didn't really like it. And then I go back to it. I'm like, wow, this was good. So who knows? Sometimes I think you get overwhelmed. There's so much that you've this dome around you and you stick with certain things. I think that's really where we were. The debut album. What year did that come out?
[00:09:40] Speaker A: This is the debut album, June 8th, 2004. This is contraband.
[00:09:45] Speaker C: Okay, so 2004. I don't think I was in that realm. I think that's all it was. 2004 was a big year for me. I was planning a wedding in 2004.
Velvet Revolver was not on the registry.
[00:09:59] Speaker D: You weren't planning it every day.
[00:10:01] Speaker C: Okay, come on. Come me some slack. I never heard these guys.
Listen, my biggest disappointment is going to be if I don't like it. I don't think I'll dislike it. But I'm sitting here going, oh, my God, what if I don't like it?
[00:10:12] Speaker A: Anything's possible. I haven't heard this for a long, long time. When I did listen to it, I thought I liked it. I may not like everything either. The songs that were released in the singles, I do like some of the other stuff. I don't remember as much. I think it's going to be a good record. I think you're going to like it.
[00:10:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Guns and Roses, Stone Temple Pilots mashed together, to me, sounds like a winning combination.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: I am incredibly curious. I'm finally climbing this mountain.
[00:10:35] Speaker D: I will say, when this group first was released, I wasn't a big fan. And here's why. Because to me, you had your metal friends and you had your grunge friends, and the two were never to me. And this group violated that rule. And they did it so well that it changed my whole outlook.
[00:10:49] Speaker C: Do you really feel. There was that separation, though? I loved metal and crunch.
[00:10:53] Speaker D: Yeah, they were. Because you have to remember something, right? When you think about metal, it's good times, party girls and all these crazy things. Living a wild style.
[00:11:01] Speaker C: Oh, you're talking about hair metal, though.
Okay.
[00:11:04] Speaker D: Yes, hair metal. I'm talking about hair metal. Exactly. And then you have your grunge friends which are very depressed. The world is dark. There's no Hope.
And then you had your medal in between. Even the metal in between wasn't as dark as grunge. Velvet Revolver did a really good job of balancing the two.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: I never thought of grunge when they came in from being any different than just rock, just different sounding. I never thought of a separated line. I know some people don't feel that way, but to me it was just rock and just changed a little bit. It went from very overproduced, just back to more of a 70s feel to me, where it was a little more raw and not as produced earlier rock. That's how I felt. But I know there's some people who don't like grunge at all. They can't get past at the 80s stop.
[00:11:48] Speaker C: I think too, though, if you grow up in an environment where you've listened to different music, then it's easier for you to appreciate different forms of music. We listen to hair metal, we listen to some of the heavier stuff, some of the classic rock. We listen to pop. I mean, we all sang along to Billy Joel and some of the bigger pop hits of the days. So I think if you're stuck within a certain. A certain thing and you really can't break past that, even if something is not completely different. Oh, no, no, no. Like you said, Mark, to us it was rock. Some of it was heavier, some of it was lighter, but it wasn't anything revolutionary. Is this grungy? How would you guys categorize it, do you think?
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Before I go into Guns N Roses and Grungy, I say take both of those things and mush them together. And that's what you have. Because his vocals are very stp.
[00:12:27] Speaker C: So Sleaze Grunch.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Yeah. You can't get away from the STP vibe because of his lyrics and because his singing. I think that's what it is.
Let me go over the record a little bit. So, released on June 8, 2004. Produced by Josh Abraham and Nick Rascal Nicks. And it was done for RCA. It's 5647. There are 13 tracks and it is Duff McKagan on bass, slashing guitar, Matt Storm on drums, Scott Weiland on vocals, and Dave Kushner, who is a childhood friend of Slash. They tried to get Izzy Stradman. He did come down and start to write with them, but somewhere along the line it fell apart. There's a pretty good doc on VH1 that's now on YouTube that goes through their singer search, and it's pretty good. If you're interested in this. If you like what you hear here, you should go back and watch that because you really like that a lot. And I think it's going to be good.
[00:13:18] Speaker C: I'm looking forward to this.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: Without any further ado, let's get started. The first song is going to be Sucker Train Blues.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Sam.
Fail too fast, your wind swallow. Yeah.
And when I run to my room I will find you.
[00:14:56] Speaker C: It's funny, I feel as if the verses are Guns and Roses and then the chorus is stp.
[00:15:02] Speaker A: But it's good.
[00:15:02] Speaker C: I like his voice. I like the melody of it. The production is really good. The. I like the way it's. It's loud but it's balanced. Not bad. I don't know what I'm expecting from them. I don't think this is too far fetched though.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Yeah, this is what they sound like. I figured you would like it. It's really a mashup of Guns N Roses and Stone Temple Violets. The verses, like you said, are very gnr. And the pre chorus and the chorus are very stp. And he uses the megaphone because he used that in STP a lot too. He had a lot of influence about how this thing sounded. It's almost impossible to not know who this is.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: This.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: His voice is so recognizable.
[00:15:36] Speaker C: Oh yeah. I mean that's either him or somebody imitating him. He's one of those voices.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:15:41] Speaker C: Without a doubt. Frank, how does it feel sticking your feet back into the Velvet Revolver pool?
[00:15:46] Speaker D: I love it, man. This opening track where I'm just. Maybe my two friends can't hang out.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: It is really good. It's everything you want, everything you expect to have happen is gonna happen. You're gonna have the solos, you're gonna have the writing, you're gonna have his vocal stuff and his melodies and his lyrics. The only thing it's missing really would have been Izz staying in the band and not having the other guy because I don't know what the other guy does. Maybe he does a lot of stuff. I have no idea. He was like the weird guy out. Every time I saw them I was like, why is he there? He's not part of either of those two bands.
[00:16:17] Speaker C: Was he from any other band that we see?
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Do you know what I'm seeing? He was in a band called Electric Love Hogs. They were on the same bill as Stone Temple Pilots when they were Mighty Joe Young. He was in Duff McKagan's band before this band. Because remember this is 2004. Guns N Roses technically broke up in 1990. 6. There was that. Eight years or whatever it is in between. I think everyone had their own stuff.
[00:16:38] Speaker C: What was Dove's band again?
[00:16:39] Speaker A: I don't remember.
[00:16:40] Speaker C: Frank, do you remember Dove's band?
[00:16:42] Speaker D: No, I do not remember.
[00:16:44] Speaker C: We'll check it out.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: Verse 1. Hands are shaking Got your finger on the trigger Jesus ain't complaining, gonna figure it out Somebody raped my tapeworm Abortion Come on and deliver the cow Brain and body melting While there's roaches multiplying it's the alien infection, it's the coming of Christ all these sentimental halos and these consequential angels While I'm running with the devil don't deliver the fight Pre Chorus don't look at me now Fell too fast, your wings won't hold don't me now Fell too fast, your wings won't hold Chorus yeah and when I want to yeah I will find you, yeah and when I want to, yeah I will blind you not using the name of the song in the chorus. As long as you don't do it Every song. I like it.
[00:17:23] Speaker C: I don't mind. I love doing that.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: But I don't want every song, though. I don't want every song to be that way.
[00:17:29] Speaker C: I don't mind.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: Every once in a while I'd like to name the song in there.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:34] Speaker C: I like it when they slip it in. And it's out in the chorus, too.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that's cool, too. I like that he's not writing wishy washy words either.
[00:17:41] Speaker C: I don't expect run of the mill lyrics, that's for sure. No matter what. Musically, I don't know, it was going to be. I'm sure lyrics are going to be very interesting.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: Yep. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Fail too fast your ways wrong how to do now Fail to fast your ways wrong how yeah and when I want to yeah I will find you yeah and when I want to yeah, I will love you It's a moment now Let me go, let me go, let me go what's the moment now?
Let me go, let me go, let me go It's a moment now Let me go, let me go, let me go what's the moment now?
[00:19:32] Speaker C: Mark, would you know that that was Slash?
[00:19:34] Speaker A: In some parts, yes. In some parts, no. I rarely hear him use whammy bar. That was the weird part. I forgot that there was whammy bar in the solo. But there were parts. Yes. That I knew it was him.
[00:19:44] Speaker C: This is the first solo I'm hearing. I'm saying, can I make out Stuff that I hear from his GnR playing. And there were a couple of parts where I said, yeah, that sounds like something he would do there. And it fits the song.
[00:19:55] Speaker A: I thought it was great. I don't think there's any problem with that. I don't think you're going to have guitar solo issues.
[00:19:59] Speaker D: I'm trying to leave the fanboy behind here, but it was totally awesome. Would you expect anything less from Slash? I will say this is the part that always did that threw me off. Like Mark said, it's very grungy. And then all of a sudden you have a solo, which you really don't hear a lot of solos in grunge music or extended grunge solos. But here it is. It's just a matter of getting used to it. But loved it.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: I thought it was good. Lyric wise. Verse 2 is almost the same thing as verse 1, except the first two lines are different. I'll read the first two lines. Brains are frying While the kings and queens are dying Satan won the race and the miracle mile that's a pretty good lyric, too. Rest of the verse is the same. Rest of the chorus. Pre chorus and chorus are the same bridges. It's all over me now Let me go, let me go, let me go and what's come over me now Let me go, let me go, let me go it's all over me now Let me go, let me go, let me go and what's come over me now and a big scream going into it, which I didn't expect either.
[00:20:50] Speaker C: I forgot about that.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: I didn't think that was happening. If you like either of these two bands or both of these two bands, you have to like this. There's just no way. You can't.
[00:20:57] Speaker C: I think it sounds more like an STP song overall, though, than it does a Guns N' Roses song. I can see this in their catalog not sounding or produced the same way. And maybe because of the voice, but at least for now, to me, I attribute this more to an STP style than I do a GNR style. Which is good because, like I said, I do like stp Better than GnR,
[00:21:18] Speaker A: but I do see at least this song more leaning to the STP side. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: Yeah, and when I want you I will find you yeah and when I want to yeah, I will.
Ram.
Foreign.
[00:22:35] Speaker C: I said to myself, is that screaming in the background? Was that guitar? And then they cut out the music and all you hear is the scream.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: It's like, yeah, I was Screaming that word part is. Johnny sat at the old oak tree Cut off his hand what did he see? All the animals are dead the rats have crawled through his house and out through their head One of them ate a hole in the sky to believe this world would be a fate worse than dying. And in chorus and in the outro, they do the yeah part and then they read that same part over it again. It's really good. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I'm going to have Sabino go for us. Since it's the first time you heard this. No pressure.
[00:23:07] Speaker C: I'm going sevens across.
Keep it simple for now.
Sevens across. It's a good, good kickoff track I have no issues with.
May even rate higher later on going back to it. But for now, seven's across. Nikki titty baby darling it's quintable seven, Frank.
[00:23:25] Speaker D: I'm going eight across. And again, trying not to be a fanboy, I'm going to purposely go low. I'm going ace across. Yeah, the lyrics are really great. The music just complements the voice. Lo quinto mark.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: I am going to do seven across.
Nikki titty baby quintuple seven, zippity bippity bop. I think it's a great start to the record. And if you like this, I think you're going to like the rest of it. The next song is do it for the Kids.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: I wanna be your man child let's all go in hog wild she said, I'll see you later I was gravitating her let's all meet at the stat hand of concentration we get all hooked up there the kids are all out right there.
Shall we go?
Adelaide.
Show time for strangers.
[00:24:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it's good too. I like the riff. Simple but heavy. Heavier than the first one, I think. I like his melody. I like the chorus. I feel that this one might be a little bit more of that mashup than the first one.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: Agree 100 I like the riff. I like the playing from everyone. His vocals are great. And to me, this is more of the guns n roses STP smushed together than number one. I think it's really great.
[00:25:20] Speaker D: Oh, 100%.
Yeah. And like YouTube, you pointed out, I think this is much more of a mashup than the last song, for sure.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Lyrics Intro is went too fast, I'm out of luck and I don't even give a verse one. I want to be your man child let's go do it hog wild she said, I'll see you later I'll always gravitate to her that's an interesting rhyme. It actually works. But I wouldn't expect it to work by just reading lyrics.
Let's all meet at the station no heavy concentration we could all hook up there, there the kids all right there. Chorus. Should we go out later Showtime for strangers so far again another song without the name of the song.
[00:25:57] Speaker C: In the chorus he mentions the kids, though.
[00:26:00] Speaker A: Well, he did.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: In the verse you said. Not in the chorus.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Yeah, not in the chorus.
[00:26:03] Speaker C: Yeah, not in the chorus.
[00:26:04] Speaker A: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: Don't you give a.
All the kids they say it ain't about you anyway I say we're all grown up now it's ain't so safe now it's only my group they say doesn't matter anyway should we go.
Shelter for strangers should we go and make it up?
Shelter for strangers Keep me running like a deer in the headlights I find nothing I love Just the ransom I have.
About the day I tried to tame her Never tried to play her Just the game that I had.
[00:27:45] Speaker C: That wasn't bad. It was good. I actually thought it was going to go longer. I thought they were going to do the thing where they do part of the solo to one rhythm. And then when he was coming in with the verse, I thought they're going to switch rhythms and he was going to keep going with the solo, which I hope he did, maybe, because that's what I was expecting. Cool. Shorter than the first one, I think, but it definitely fits the song.
[00:28:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that's much more of a slashy sounding solo. But it was great. It was short, but it was fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think he's playing for the song and that's great.
[00:28:10] Speaker D: Yeah, I do enjoying it. And like I said, everything is really gelling on this song.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: I'm just thinking back when I first started playing guitar. It was around the time when the first Guns and Roses record came out. And I remember going, jesus Christ, how am I ever going to play any of this?
It was a bad time to be a guitar player. 86, 87. It was just bad. There were too many good guitar players.
Every time you turned around, you were like.
[00:28:32] Speaker C: It's so funny that you mentioned that today, because I went into a store today and they played welcome to the Jungle. And I'm listening to it and I remember that we tried playing welcome to the Jungle back then. That's when we really, really first started playing. And I just remember me hearing it because I think we have it recorded somewhere. How terribly I played it on the drums. It was so bad. And then today I was just playing along with it. And now it's so easy to me to do. Obviously, it's a good rhythm and everything. Not to take anything away from him. The hi hat itself in the beginning and even the.
I said, oh, my God. I remember how shittily I played this song back then.
[00:29:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Unfortunately, that's how far back we go. We were playing that song when it was new.
[00:29:13] Speaker C: You go back a while.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: All right. Verse 2. Don't you give a anymore now she's given up on you now do it for the kids they say it ain't about you anyway I say we're all grown up now and sex ain't so safe now it's all in the groove they say doesn't matter anyway Chorus is doubled Then bridges keep me running like a deer in the headlights all for nothing I thought just a ransom I had bought about the day I tried to tame her Never tried to blame her Just a game that I had bought Guitar solo and basically I'll read the rest of it. The next verse coming up is, let's all meet at the station. No heavy concentration. The kids are all right there Went too fast. I'm out of luck and I don't give a. Which is the first line at the beginning of the song. And then the chorus just runs out. I think this is really good. This is two strong songs in a row. Everyone agree with that?
[00:29:58] Speaker C: I agree. Yeah.
[00:29:58] Speaker D: 100.
[00:29:59] Speaker A: Are you surprised that you're liking this or you thought you were gonna like it?
[00:30:02] Speaker C: My worst thought was, what if I don't like it, which is possible. And have the two of you disappointed? Own me.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: You be like, what's wrong with you, Savino? Don't you like this? Why can't you not like this, Frank,
[00:30:13] Speaker C: we're doing a separate podcast now.
[00:30:17] Speaker D: Things.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: Savino doesn't like the podcast.
[00:30:21] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:30:21] Speaker C: And all of a sudden you get thousands of listeners.
[00:30:25] Speaker D: What would end up happening is that Mark would go back and edit the podcast and just omit Savino from commenting.
[00:30:33] Speaker C: No. Either that or just AI my voice to say I love this song. I give it 10
[00:30:40] Speaker A: pretty much. Well, I'm glad you like it. I thought you would. I didn't think that these two things together would be bad for you. I think that you would like it.
[00:30:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: See, you've been missing this for 20 years.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: I always say, journey of discovery and rediscovery. This is a discovery for me. Hands Down.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: And a rediscovery for me and Frank, because we probably haven't listened to it in a while. All right, here we go. Let's finish it out.
[00:32:00] Speaker B: I don't even give a.
[00:32:09] Speaker C: That looks good ending too.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Frank, why don't you go first?
[00:32:11] Speaker D: Going to go eat. So cross on this one. I forgot how good the second song is. The followup to the. To the opening track, the guitar playing again, rock solid. Even at the end. We got that little riff going on there. It's really awesome. Loved it.
[00:32:24] Speaker C: I'm going to say six in the lyrics and seven on everything else. I don't think the lyrics were as good as the first one, but I think everything else is pretty much as good as the first one. That's really my only loom. I'd go back to both these songs,
[00:32:34] Speaker A: I think, Mark, I'm gonna do the same thing. Six on lyrics, seven and everything else. I still think it's a great song. I don't think it's as good as the first one. And there's a couple other songs on here I like better. I probably won't go eights. I know Frank's the fanboy. He's gonna do eights. And I should be the fanboy because I really like STP and I really like Scott Wy's voice. I know there's stuff I'd like on here better, but again, I forgot how good these first two songs were. All right, let's see if we can continue. This is Big Machine.
[00:33:14] Speaker B: I don't know because she says so He's a faggot boy TV says so He's a junkie piece of shit because he says so all that first class jetset Brings me down, down, down, down all that first class trip Brings me down, down, down.
It's a big machine It's a big machine SL To a big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine SL.
[00:34:05] Speaker C: This one is very 90s, I think, and definitely a little bit more of the STP side. This one's okay. I'm not too crazy about this one yet. I feel it's a little bit all over the place.
[00:34:14] Speaker A: It's not as preconceived, not as formulaic as the last songs. The actual lyrics are pretty good, and what it's trying to address is pretty good. So I'm going to give it a little more time before I make some kind of judgment. I forgot about this song. The chorus is pretty good. I don't like the way the chorus ended. That's the only part I don't like.
[00:34:30] Speaker C: I think there's some really good playing going on. There's a lot of cool accents that are going on with the drums and the guitar. So I appreciate the playing that's going on. I'm just not sure about all the things fitting together yet.
[00:34:42] Speaker D: For me, the third song was the weakest one. Yes. S they very 90s sounding. The music is fantastic. I just don't think the lyrics align very well. Very well.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: I don't know if it's lyrics or it's more melody because the lyrics aren't bad.
[00:34:57] Speaker D: You're right. Maybe it's a melody. You're right. It could be the melody.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: Because I think technically the lyrics and the subject is better than the last one.
Speaking of that verse one I don't know because she says so He's a boy the TV says so He's a junkie piece of because he says so Pre Chorus all that first class jet set Brings me down, down, down all that first class drug Brings me down, down, down Chorus It's a big machine It's a big machine Slaves to the big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine we're all slaves to a big machine all tied up to a big machine I got houses, got cars got a wife I got kids, got money in the bank I just wish there was one more line there.
That's the only thing that I don't like. But I think, lyrics wise, I don't think it's bad.
[00:35:41] Speaker C: No, no, it's not the lyrics. I don't think all the ingredients are in the soup yet.
But it may grow on me. So that's why, like you said, Mark, I'm not passing complete judgment yet, saying
[00:35:50] Speaker A: right now it's not as good as the first two songs, but that doesn't mean mean anything. Wouldn't be the first time we had a song that started out like that. And by the end of the song you're like, wow, that's really a good song.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: Yeah, could be.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Spin. Down, down, down all that first class touch it brings me down, down, down It's a big machine It's a big machine To a big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine all tied up to a big machine I got house this got cause I got wife I got kids Got money in the bank.
[00:37:27] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that too. D Solo I wish it was at least a couple bars longer I felt that the cutoff sounded abrupt, but that was a little bit weird too.
[00:37:35] Speaker A: I thought it was good. It's just, again, a little too short for me. The one thing, again, like I was saying with the chorus, I think I figured out what I want. After they got money in the bank. I'd like him to say It's a Big machine. Again.
That's what I'm hearing in my head. And I wish that happened. Yeah, but other than why, I mean, it's not bad. It's not as good as the first two.
[00:37:50] Speaker C: Oh, it's not bad. It's okay, I think.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Verse 2 Get away without Borders I'm a slave New World Order Guess I chose to be Guess I chose to be Guess I chose to be Guess I chose to be Pre course the same Course the same Bridges Hope I teach my son how to be a man now before he hits 35 comic book lives don't really happen in real life. Do they now? And he says that twice. Guitar solo. And then the rest of it is basically first verse and pre chorus. And chorus is going out, out and Big machine Slaves to the big machine all over the place. And it's definitely more on the STP
[00:38:21] Speaker C: side, but Third album stp,
[00:38:25] Speaker A: I guess. Yeah. I mean, I don't hate the third album scp, so I'm okay.
[00:38:30] Speaker C: Tell you. That's another one. Talk about rediscovery for me, because I wrote that one off old stp.
[00:38:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: They're just changing it around. We can do.
[00:38:37] Speaker C: Yeah, Listen, they're allowed to do that.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: All right, let's finish this up. Here we go.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: He's a cracker boy the teeth he says so He's a junkie piece of shit because he says so all that first class jets have brains been down, down, down all that first class jets it brings me down, down, down.
It's a big machine It's a big, big machine Sl to a big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine.
We're all sage to a big machine we're all.
Switch to a big machine It's a big machine It's a big machine Switch to a big machine I'm tied up to a big machine I got houses, got kids, got money in the bag.
[00:40:36] Speaker C: I like that ending too.
[00:40:37] Speaker A: I wish they would have done Big Machine over and over and over at the end.
Oh, that's what I'm hearing in my head. Maybe it's just an arrangement thing. I'll go first. I'm gonna say sixes across. Except for Arrangement five. Because I really wanted the chorus to have an extra big machine. I wish there was some big machines at the end. Solos were a little light. They were very calm for. For him. But they fit the song, so it wasn't bad.
[00:40:58] Speaker C: Z. I was probably thinking the same six on everything. Five in arrangement. I'm just trying to think if I ding the melody a little bit. I mean, the melody was okay. I'm going to say five on the melody. It's okay. This is another song that could grow on me. I think it's good in terms of the loudness of it as a third track. I think I'd rather hear it later on in the record. To me, it broke that momentum for me a little bit. Right.
[00:41:20] Speaker D: I'm giving the music a 7 out 10 of on this one. Production. I'm gonna give a 7. The melody. Yeah, I'm not that crazy about it. I'm gonna give that a five. Lyrics. I'll give a six. Arrangement. I'll give that a seven. This was not one of my favorites on this side.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: I like the sentimental lyrics that everything's a big machine. Everyone tells you what that person is. Is he a junkie? Is he whatever? And just putting the. Wrapping that up so. I like the sentiment and the lyrics. It's one of the weaker ones so far. All righty. This is a legal.
[00:41:54] Speaker B: Sam ground with my broken face and fisted on the staff I come and walk I don't just look can you see me lying there lying there Just look can you see me lying there lying.
[00:43:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Feel back on track. I like this one. Very heavy. Without a doubt. I'm liking the melody. The chorus is okay. Chorus is a little. It doesn't ruin it for me. I think we're back on track with this one.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: I like the riff. Supposedly it was written by the other guitar player, Dave Kushner.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: Nice.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: That chorus sounds like an STP scores. I just don't know what it sounds like.
[00:43:30] Speaker C: Maybe.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I can't place it.
[00:43:32] Speaker C: Is it. We got those pictures of everything me play.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he's allowed to use his own stuff, I guess. Yeah.
[00:43:41] Speaker C: I mean, sure.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: That's where it turns into STP in the chorus.
But again, that's going to happen number one. He's the singer of stp. Certain parts are going to sound like STP no matter what you do.
[00:43:52] Speaker C: Yeah. But I mean, I think overall, though, this is heavier than either one of those bands. Yeah, I think. Which is cool. I'm cool with the heavy.
[00:44:00] Speaker D: Yeah, you nailed it on that one. Sav that song from the stp. It does sound like him, like Mark said, because it is his voice and we're going to do a lot of that association. They definitely got right back on track with this song right after that last one. And can we do the rest of it again?
[00:44:13] Speaker A: Here's another track where the name is not in the chorus. I don't know how I feel about that.
[00:44:17] Speaker C: I'm digging it. I don't even notice.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: I know I like it most of the time. I just don't like it every song. It could be majority. I'd like every once in a while to have the name of the song in the chorus just a little bit. But I might not get that. I forget the rest of the song whether I'm going to get any of that at all. I guess I just have to deal with it.
[00:44:34] Speaker C: If you think about it though, Sucker Train Blues do it for the kids. Illegal Eye song. Those might be hard to to fit in where Big Machine. He says it over and over.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:44] Speaker C: Could be a little bit hard to place it. And maybe the titles were written after the song was done.
[00:44:49] Speaker A: I guess so. Yeah. I guess that's the case. I forgot that Big Machine did have it in there. Yeah. Verse 1 One fine day I'll settle down when you bloody me I ran aground with my broken face and fisted cuff the rest and all their stuff. Pre Chorus. I don't anymore I don't anymore Chorus Just look and you'll see me lying there Lying there and he does that twice. I think the lyrics are good here too.
[00:45:09] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: Let's continue. Here we go
[00:45:13] Speaker B: another way A battleground a.
Money Keep the staff Fly around the world and keep it up I don't have more I don't have Just look can you see me lying there Lying there Just look can you see me lying there.
[00:46:26] Speaker C: That was a good length. I really liked it. Honestly. I think that's my favorite solo part so far. The first one was really good too. But I think this one is my favorite because it really carried out the heaviness of the song in it and almost got even heavier in the solo part. For whatever reason. This musically could be my favorite song so far.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: I think it's good. He's using some harmonizer octave thing and a wide distortion in the solo. I think it's good. I have no problems with Slash. You're not going to hear me say very much bad stuff about the guitar playing. Even the other guy's doing a great job. And again, he's the one guy that always never fit to me. But maybe that's not the case. I don't know him. And I'm expecting another big name like someone else in Guns N Rose or someone else from Stone Temple Pilots. Being in this band and this one random guy, I always felt that he was so random.
[00:47:09] Speaker C: Well, I don't know for madam because I've never seen them, but I'll take your word for it. Matt Storm's drumming has been really good.
[00:47:16] Speaker D: He's always been good.
[00:47:17] Speaker C: Well, I definitely prefer drumming here than gnr. It feels like maybe they have more room to breathe.
[00:47:21] Speaker D: Mark, what was it they were saying about the backup guitarist?
[00:47:24] Speaker A: He always didn't feel like he belonged there. Did you feel that way too? It was like, who is this guy?
[00:47:28] Speaker D: I did. Feels like your friend's cousin that he just joined the band.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: Come on, man. Can I be in the band too?
[00:47:34] Speaker D: He's like the kid that's two grades behind.
[00:47:38] Speaker A: All right, you can be in the band.
[00:47:40] Speaker D: You can be in the band, man. You can play.
[00:47:42] Speaker C: Listen, he's got an amp and. Or drumsticks.
[00:47:48] Speaker D: He's got a car, Guys, he's got a car.
[00:47:50] Speaker C: Ah, even better. He's got a car.
[00:47:54] Speaker A: Verse 2 Another way a battleground A ready teller whore that makes no sound Keep the money, keep the stuff Fly around the world and keep it up Pre chorus. Chorus is the same. And then solo, which we liked. And now there's this one line. It's killing time on the streets all hate Sunday over and over and over and over Here we go,
[00:48:39] Speaker B: Sam. See me lying there lying there Just look and you see me lying there lying there Just look and you see me Right in there Right in there Just look at you See me lying there now Just look at you Just look at you Just look at you Just look at you Just look at you Just look at you Just look.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: I gotta tell you, man, I'm loving the screaming. I wish you would scream at every song.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: Where the did that come from? Was this Linkin Park?
[00:50:05] Speaker C: Love it. I love it.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: That's new for him, though. I forgot about that.
[00:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah, that's good, man. He did in the other song too, and I loved it. I love it here too. I love it even more here.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: He doesn't really scream a lot in STP at all.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: No, not that I know of. But I said this is heavier than both bands. Yeah, not the chorus. I think the verses are heavier. Go first.
[00:50:25] Speaker A: Seven across. I think it's good. I think they're back on track. I like everything about the song. I do like the screaming, too. I think the chorus is good. I think the melodies are good. Everyone's playing is real good. Matt Sorun playing his ass off on this song. Sevens across.
[00:50:38] Speaker C: Music can change the world because it can change people. And it's quintuple. Seven Nikki Titty Baby Frank.
[00:50:46] Speaker D: Going to do seven on the lyrics, eight on everything else. Just the lyrics. Not that. Then I'll.
[00:50:51] Speaker C: Terrible. Terrible.
[00:50:51] Speaker D: Just don't like them as much as the other songs. They run track as always, and just enjoying the music. Sad.
[00:50:57] Speaker C: I'm gonna say six on the lyrics, seven on the melody, and eight on everything else. I think this could be my favorite so far. And it's funny, Mark, that you played the Bono thing there, because I was about to say I do hear some little twinges of you two in there as well. Believe it or not.
[00:51:10] Speaker A: Really I do.
[00:51:11] Speaker C: They could be in some of the production choices and things like that. Obviously, YouTube is not this heavy, but.
[00:51:17] Speaker A: No.
[00:51:18] Speaker C: Little bits and pieces of certain things that they had done up until that point.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: So far, it's fairly strong.
[00:51:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, only Big Machine. I wasn't too crazy about it, but the other three are all pretty good.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: And even that's not horrible.
[00:51:29] Speaker C: No, it's not terrible. We've definitely heard way worse on this show.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. All right, next one is spectacle.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: Take it to the brick and breathe go hold back this spectacle Keep on kicking yeah Kick it down with broken bones Pick to fight now stand your ground.
Can't talk about it Tell them what you want in the back of someone else's cry.
Rock the f well, rock it up Rock the fish is fast enough each they stop I'm here to go in the end I'll stand alone.
You talk about it Tell what you want in the back of someone else is kind of.
[00:53:16] Speaker C: The verses are the most gnr to me, I think. And I like whoever's backing him up. It sounds pretty good, I think. This one isn't as good as the three that I really like, but better than Big Machine so far. And I know I've mentioned this word a few times on here. It's almost like a Diddy.
That's how it feels like. It's pretty straightforward, but it's not bad. I do like the melody.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: I think the chorus melody is really good. I like the chorus melody a lot. It's better than Big Machine. Just not as good as the three other songs. But it's still good.
[00:53:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not bad. Nothing has sucked there. Hasn't been where I'm like.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: There has to be album tracks on the album where they're just trying to fill some time. And those songs generally are not as good as some of the bigger songs or some of the songs you may like better. There's a reason why this didn't start the record.
That's a middle of the side song.
[00:54:00] Speaker D: I'm yet to hear a song that I hate.
That's what I think. Just can listen to this album through and through. This song totally rocks.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: Verse one take two to break and three to go hold me back you spectacle kick me down with broken bones you pick the fight now stand your ground Chorus you talk about it don't know what you want in the back of someone else's car verse 2 you write the list well write me off Rocket is blasting off boots laced up I'm here to go in the end I stand alone Chorus you talk about it don't know what you want in the back of someone else's car he lied about it, bled another heart then began to fall apart still good lyrics. I don't really hate any of the lyrics. There were some that are better than others, but there's really no weak lyrics here.
[00:54:41] Speaker D: No.
[00:54:41] Speaker C: Generally, he's a pretty interesting lyricist, for sure.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: 100 and he's bringing the SCP vibe a little bit to this. It's a little hard not to do the comparison, though. There's some things that he does that sounds so stp, and I guess that's a testament to how much he wrote there and how big those songs were.
[00:54:57] Speaker C: The vocals always amazing. Main focal point, especially if you're not a musician, let's say, paying attention necessarily to what the other musicians are doing. You're drawn to the voice first and foremost. If you know them, you know his voice. But I definitely think the verses to me are the most gnr ish.
[00:55:12] Speaker A: This was actually a big thing because if you think about it, they had a VH one thing about them getting a singer. So this was a big deal because it was mostly Guns n Roses, people coming together without Axl Rose, trying to get a singer to get a new band together. It was a big deal in 2004.
[00:55:26] Speaker C: Do you know how much this sold? We didn't talk about that, did we?
[00:55:29] Speaker A: This did two times platinum in this states.
[00:55:31] Speaker C: Oh, in the states.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:55:33] Speaker C: Not bad.
[00:55:34] Speaker A: That's great. Considering you're coming off of two of the biggest bands of the time.
Two million is nothing to sneeze at. All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[00:55:56] Speaker B: Down I'm standing now I'm standing now.
[00:56:27] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that part. I really liked it. It's good. It's definitely not a bad song. And I really like that solo part. It went as long as it needed to be. If it was any shorter, I definitely would have been disappointed.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: It was the right length and from what I'm reading, that was just made up on the spot. He didn't work that out. And supposedly the song was written and recorded already. So he put lyrics to the music. Maybe that's why it's not exactly as fleshed out as maybe some of the other ones they worked out beforehand. This stuff was recorded. He came in and edited stuff. And if you think about it that way, it's amazing what's actually on there. If you think about it critically, how this music was recording. He just came in and wrote lyrics and did the vocals on top of what was there already.
[00:57:05] Speaker C: It's a good song. I like this one better than Big Machine.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: Yeah, they're both album tracks. They're not meant to be the single, but yeah, I think it's great.
[00:57:12] Speaker D: But they're damn good fil tracks.
[00:57:14] Speaker C: They're deep cuts.
[00:57:16] Speaker A: Yeah, they're deep cuts. I feel that in general, this album is getting fairly good ratings. This is not a bad song that you're like, oh, my God, this thing's on. I got to turn it off.
[00:57:25] Speaker D: And if you really think about the time that this album came out, I think a lot of fans have moved on from the grunge and metal era now at this point, just trying to think who would be big at this point. Linkin park will be big right around now. Yep, Papa Roach would be pretty big around this now. The listeners were just onto something else. So the fact that this went double platinum during that time is pretty remarkable.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Was emo around at this time? There was emo going on, right?
[00:57:49] Speaker D: I think so. Right, Seth, what do you think?
[00:57:51] Speaker C: So just quickly googling top. 2004 Velvet Revolver is considered one of them. You had Green Day, the Killers, Linkin Park, My Chemical Romance, which was emo. U2, which is when they did Vertigo. That was a big year for them. Modest Mouse, hubastank, Muse, Incubus, Blink 182, a little bit of mix of some of the neopunk emo, some old school peeps. They're considered one the of of the bigger ones in 2004. In terms of rock.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: It's a great record so far. I can't see it not doing well, especially then since that was so varied. What was going on? It wasn't just one kind of music. There was still that 90s. Lots of different kinds of things in the charts as opposed to one style of music.
Okay, Bridge. It rains and you fall back down again. It begins to rain and I'll knock you right back down again. You incessant bitch. You lied and wait for the last time Now I'm standing now I'm standing now solo and then we're coming back. Here we go.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: Done what you want in the back of someone else's car you lied about it but another heart never get too far.
You talk about it Done what you want in the back of someone else's come you lie about it.
[01:00:01] Speaker C: I was digging a little bit deeper into 2004, and I meant to say say it before. And Frank, you could probably hear this. Mark, I don't know if you know, but I heard a little bit of Brides of Destruction in some of this too. And I was thinking to say it before and I completely forgot. And now I looked up rock albums that came out then, not the whole album, but whatever that first song was, which I think is the best song on there. I was going to say it before. Frank, do you any Brides of Destruction in this? A little bit.
[01:00:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[01:00:25] Speaker D: Speaking of which, we have to do one of their. One of their albums. But yeah, you definitely can hear A Little Bit of Brides. It's not far fetched. I know either, because Matt and Duff, they were part of a super group. I think they were part of Kings of Chaos. I think Johnny Depp was in there with them. Gilby Clark may have been with them during that time. You could definitely hear some of that rise of destruction sounds in there.
[01:00:44] Speaker A: I'll take your word for it. I don't know if I know any of their songs, so I don't know.
[01:00:49] Speaker C: It's okay. The first song is the best song on that, I think.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: Okay, next verse. Take two to break and three to go. Hold me back, you spectacle Kick me down with broken bones. You picked a fight now stand your ground. And the chorus doubled. Frank, go first.
[01:01:03] Speaker D: I'm gonna do Sevens across again. It's just the cohesiveness of all the tracks and this album. It's just amazing. Yeah, I'm digging it.
[01:01:11] Speaker C: Keep one eye open.
[01:01:12] Speaker A: It's Nikki Titty Baby Quinniple seven.
[01:01:14] Speaker D: Seth.
[01:01:14] Speaker C: I'm going to say seven on arrangement and production and six on everything else. It's. That's pretty good. The more I listen to it, the more I liked it. Mark.
[01:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I Think I'm gonna do the same. Six on lyrics, six on melody seven and everything else, it's been good. Great. I don't think it's been bad at all.
[01:01:28] Speaker C: I wasn't expecting it to be bad. I told you. My biggest fear was saying, if you guys haven't heard in a while, you could have had the same reaction. We said, oh, it was good then. I don't know. I'm not liking it as much now. That's the worst, I think.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: Yeah. When you thought something was really good.
[01:01:41] Speaker C: Oh, God, that is the worst. There comes some music or movies, especially something you really thought you liked.
[01:01:48] Speaker A: Luckily, that's not happening here.
Okay, so this is a single. This is Fall to Pieces is. It was number 67 on the Hot 100, and it topped the Billboard mainstream rock charts for 11 weeks. This was fairly big. I remember seeing the video for this. I like this a lot. Sabino, you've never heard this at all?
[01:02:04] Speaker D: No.
[01:02:04] Speaker C: But I'm reading here that they said this is one they use to test out singers.
[01:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so, if I remember correctly.
[01:02:09] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what it says here.
[01:02:11] Speaker A: Cool. All right, here is Fall to Pieces.
[01:02:29] Speaker B: It's been long years since you've been gone I've been alone here I've grown old Fall up pieces I'm falling Fill the pieces and I'm still falling Every time I fall it down all alone I fall to be.
[01:03:27] Speaker C: This is very, very gnr. But I'll be honest with you. I think that if Scott Weiland wasn't singing it and it was Axl Rose, I wouldn't like it because it sounds like something that would have come off User illusion, either one of them, which I'm not too crazy about, and I don't think it would be the same song. I think he's giving it a feel that only he could give it.
[01:03:45] Speaker A: Yeah. From what I can read, like you said, it was used to test out multiple singers. He says while, according to Slash, other vocalists had made it more of a typical top 40 ballad, Scott brought a much more intense feel to the song, aside from the drug and relationship problems that he used to fuel the rest of the album. Folded Pieces was also recorded the same night that Scott. Scott had been arrested for drug possession, which no doubt fed the honest feeling that permeates the song. It's about his drug use and the struggles in his marriage.
Obviously, he brought a different feel than some of the other singers that they had.
[01:04:14] Speaker C: Shangri la di da when was that recorded? Because wasn't there stuff about his marriage there too. There's like quite a few things related to his marriage.
[01:04:22] Speaker A: That was 2001.
[01:04:23] Speaker C: Okay. Because if I remember correctly, there were some things about his marriage and problems.
[01:04:28] Speaker A: Obviously those things are still, still happening. I like the melody here. I like that guitar solo part. I think everything here is really good. I agree with you that it could have went one or two ways with Axl Rose. This could have been just as good or better, or it could be some of the worst stuff that's on. Use your illusion, one day we'll get to that thing. And I think we're gonna have to do both records because to me, and I know everyone has different ideas about that, but I think you feel like. I feel if you took those two records, you could get one really good record out of those two records. If you pick and choose two songs,
[01:04:56] Speaker C: I think you can one okay record.
[01:04:59] Speaker A: I think it would be a good record. It's ballsy to put out two records at the same time. Takes balls.
[01:05:04] Speaker C: You probably have pretty good ep. I don't know. I haven't listened to those in a long time. I could probably pick a full album if I had to.
[01:05:10] Speaker D: One of my favorite songs by the group, if not the favorite one. I love the beginning with the bass playing and the way that slash just comes in. That sort of. This is Gnr being featured. Gnr and that other guy that's playing with them. And
[01:05:24] Speaker A: Gnr and other guy, whoever that guy is.
[01:05:27] Speaker C: The members of Velvet Revolver, Scott weiland slash, Duff McCaven, Matt Storm and that other guy.
[01:05:32] Speaker D: It's like, wham. George Michael and the other guy.
I love the beginning of the song because it's just Gnr jamming. And then Scott just comes right in with his vocals. Totally awesome. This is what made me really appreciate the band, this song. And the sentiment of the lyrics are so great too.
[01:05:50] Speaker A: Yeah, this may be my favorite song. This is slightly Slither are maybe my two favorite songs on this record, which is on the second side. But this is one of my favorites. That's why I was not trying to give everything too high because I think I like this better than some of the other stuff. Verse 1 It's been a long year since you've been gone I've been alone here I've grown old pre chorus folder pieces I'm falling fell to pieces and I'm still falling Chorus Every time I'm falling down all alone I fall to pieces and this is one of those songs where the second chorus is much longer than the first chorus is, which I kind of like, too. All right, let's continue. Here we
[01:06:24] Speaker B: memories I feel lonely.
Fallen pieces I'm falling Fell the pieces and I'm still falling Every time I'm falling down all alone I fall to be safe to be Every time I Falling down all alone I fall to P All the years I've tried We want to go Will the memories die I'm waiting Will I find you and can I find you we falling down I'm falling.
Sam. Every time.
[01:08:36] Speaker C: That solo to me sounded like Slash playing through Jerry Cantrill setup.
It was good. It's a good song. It's definitely a good song. Mark, what do you think of the solo?
[01:08:44] Speaker A: I thought the solo was great. Is my favorite so far. I just think it's well put together. His playing is great. His vibrato, the way he bends notes and the way he comes out of things. This is prime. Slash, I thought was great.
[01:08:57] Speaker C: Frank, you dubbed the solo, I assume 100%.
[01:08:59] Speaker D: And it didn't sound like Gnr slash. It sounded like completely different sounding Slash to me. And it was just the right length. Everything was perfect on it. He nailed it on this one.
[01:09:09] Speaker A: It is a great solo. The song is really, really good, too. And even the pre chorus, those two lines, they seem like they just throw away. But if you really think about it. Fall the pieces I'm falling Fell to pieces and I'm still falling it's just great.
[01:09:23] Speaker C: They set up the chorus really well.
[01:09:25] Speaker A: And the chorus is much better when it's multiple times.
They tease you a little bit with the first one and then the second one, they give you the full thing.
[01:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:09:32] Speaker A: Which I think is great. Verse 2 I keep a journal of memories I'm feeling lonely I can't breathe Pre chorus, chorus three times. And the bridge is. All the years I've tried With more to go Will the memories die I'm waiting and I will find you and can I find you we're falling down I'm falling solo. And then chorus is coming out and there's still guitar playing going on. So I'm going to back it up a little bit so we can come out of it. Here we go. Let's run it out.
[01:10:00] Speaker B: Sam.
I.
Every time I Caling down all alone I fall to be safe Every time I Calling down all I call to be Every time I.
[01:11:21] Speaker C: I think one thing I would have liked is when Slash resumed that little melody at the end if the vocals hadn't been over it. Because I like that melody. Or even if maybe the vocals kind of follow Like.
Like one of those Na Na Nas or Shanas or doo wops. Just me personally, I could see that.
[01:11:37] Speaker A: But I'm fine with the way it is. I think it's good.
[01:11:39] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:11:39] Speaker C: It doesn't ruin it.
[01:11:40] Speaker D: No.
[01:11:41] Speaker A: By no stretch of the imagination. So this was a number one mainstream rock hit.
[01:11:45] Speaker C: I've never heard this song before.
[01:11:47] Speaker A: I know. I'm sure you didn't.
[01:11:49] Speaker C: I haven't heard any of these songs.
[01:11:50] Speaker A: If you didn't hear anything else, you didn't hear this. I think it's a great song. I'm gonna go first, obviously. I think it's great. It's one of my favorite songs, if not my favorite song on the record. I didn't mention either that in the solo, he starts off neck pickup. And then toward the end, bridge pickup. And I think that's a nice little switch. You can hear the tone change toward the end. I. I just noticed it again when I heard the second time around. I think it's great. I'm doing eights across he Frank.
[01:12:15] Speaker D: I'm doing nines. Nine across. For me, the way that the album starts off, gnr jamming. His voice just comes in. The lyrics, the music, everything about this, the arranging, melody, everything about this song has made him one of my favorites. And hearing a different style of guitar play from Slash really won me over.
[01:12:32] Speaker A: Yo, yo, yo. It's nines, baby. Nines across.
[01:12:36] Speaker D: 7.
[01:12:36] Speaker C: I'm gonna go sevens across. I think it's a really good song. And I'd probably go eights next time, possibly. I'm still digging the head. Heavier stuff. More, though. But this is a really good song, though.
[01:12:46] Speaker A: There's only one way to rock and it's Quina 7. Nikki Titty Baby we're at the end of what we're calling side one. But technically this is a double album because the songs are long. So we're going to say this is side one or record one. And this is Headspace.
[01:13:09] Speaker B: Sam, Man.
Who is judging Best I can Through a mind field built to bless Can I make it Will I last?
Free my mind Never change Don't let any of those.
[01:14:03] Speaker C: When it first started, I thought it was going to be one of those kind of punk things. But I love the main riff. I don't like the verse. He loses me in the verse, but I love the chorus. That's where I am right now. It's just that I don't like the melody in the verse, but everything else I like.
[01:14:18] Speaker A: I did think it sounded a little Sex Pistol ish at the beginning. I like the melody on the verse and I like the chorus. I like this song a lot too. He actually uses headspace in the chorus.
[01:14:28] Speaker C: Woohoo. I know.
[01:14:29] Speaker A: Gotta happen once in a while. While.
[01:14:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:14:32] Speaker A: I think maybe it needs to grow on you a little bit. Let's see what happens in verse 2.
[01:14:35] Speaker C: The melody is definitely very STP. I find this to be a pretty stpish song so far. I find more STP than GnR in this overall, which is not a bad thing.
[01:14:44] Speaker A: If he's writing the melodies and stuff, that makes sense.
[01:14:46] Speaker D: Oh, loving it. Absolutely loving it. Mark, you really have this thing when they don't use the name of the song at any point.
[01:14:53] Speaker A: I do like when that happens. I just don't want it to happen all the time.
I'm cool when it happens half the time. We had one record where they didn't use the name in the chorus at. I forget which record that was, and it drove me crazy.
[01:15:05] Speaker D: Who was it? You removed the band.
[01:15:06] Speaker A: I don't remember. It was fairly recent.
[01:15:08] Speaker C: Remember that happening? I don't remember who was.
[01:15:09] Speaker D: A lot of the grunts, they don't. Because grunge music, they do that a lot. They don't use the name of the song at all in the song.
[01:15:15] Speaker C: Mark, for what it's worth, I did that a lot too.
[01:15:17] Speaker A: No, I know.
[01:15:18] Speaker C: Whether or not you notice, I definitely did that a lot too, because I always love that.
[01:15:23] Speaker A: I like it. I just don't want it for every song, that's all.
[01:15:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I hear you.
[01:15:27] Speaker A: Verse one. Me, I'm a man who is trudging best I can Through a minefield built to blast Can I make it? Will I? Last chorus. Free my mind, levitate don't let any of those in my headspace this is obviously more about addiction and the media.
Just with him, unfortunately, he couldn't get out of his own way either.
[01:15:48] Speaker B: No.
[01:15:48] Speaker A: All right, let's continue. Here we go.
[01:16:00] Speaker B: Questions the mornings you're the cancer, you're the leech said to bleed me of disease Free my mind, levitate don't let any of those problems in my space Let me go.
With your face Nature isn't all that original.
[01:17:20] Speaker C: I'm glad they extended the chorus because that's my favorite part of the song because it kind of goes with the riff. The solo I just felt got buried there. I thought it was cool, but the rhythm underneath was a little bit too loud this time. But I liked what was going on.
[01:17:31] Speaker A: His playing was great, but it was a little buried in the mix. I like the Post chorus or bridge or whatever that was right before the solo. And a couple of the lines at the end are very apropos to what ended up happening when I read it.
[01:17:42] Speaker C: You'll see.
[01:17:42] Speaker A: Verse 2 Please let me be. No more questions, no more needs. You're the cancer, you're the leech sent to bleed me of disease. Chorus free my mind, levitate don't let any of those in my headspace. Let me go my own way. Burn the rest of them to try to keep me in chain bridge living, taking chances isn't all that it's meant to be. Dying with your face on a T shirt isn't all that. Original solo and the solo was really good. Unfortunately, it was buried in the mix.
[01:18:08] Speaker C: I like the loudness. I think I like their heavier stuff.
[01:18:11] Speaker A: I like most of the stuff. I like the softy folder pieces. I like the heavy stuff.
[01:18:16] Speaker C: That was good too.
[01:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah, the record is strong. I forget if the next record record is as strong. I don't think it is. But I haven't heard that one a long, long time. Frank, do you remember what the next one's like?
[01:18:26] Speaker D: Not as great as the first one. It was good. Not like debut album good.
[01:18:31] Speaker C: Is it in the same vein in terms of the music?
[01:18:33] Speaker D: I thought it was. Yeah.
[01:18:35] Speaker A: And I think he went back to Stonetople Pies the next year anyway.
[01:18:38] Speaker D: That's right. That's correct.
[01:18:39] Speaker A: 2008 he went back to still double pods and the next one was 2007 of the revolver.
[01:18:44] Speaker D: Yes. They did not tour for the follow up.
[01:18:46] Speaker A: Well, I think he was so up
[01:18:48] Speaker C: surprised they got two albums out of him.
[01:18:49] Speaker A: Honestly, they almost didn't get signed. The VH1 thing. He's supposed to come down because they have a label showcase of people coming down to listen to them and they calling him.
[01:18:59] Speaker D: Hey.
[01:18:59] Speaker A: Everyone's calling him. Duff's calling them. Slash is going, hey, where are you? Are you coming? Blah blah blah. He showed up two minutes before people were gonna leave and they nailed the thing and they got signed. But he really stressed everybody out and they're probably like, this is why. Don't tell what pilots got rid of him. This is what the reason is. Yeah, he almost that whole thing up. If you haven't seen that VH1 special, it's on YouTube. Check it out. If you them or you like the music, you'll like that.
[01:19:26] Speaker C: I've watched documentaries of people that don't even like just because I just like the whole behind the scenes kind of thing. Especially like the recording process.
[01:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty cool to watch. I'm going to read the next verse cuz it's only two lines. Verse three is me, I'm the man Will I make it? Will it last? And then chorus and then bridge and then outro. Let's finish it up. Here we go.
[01:19:49] Speaker B: A man will I make it?
Will I last?
Free my mind.
A chain Taking chances is in my it's meant to be with your face on a tel.
[01:21:03] Speaker C: I gotta tell you, I wish you made a metal album. I'd just love to hear hear him scream. I love that screaming.
[01:21:09] Speaker A: I like the way that ended too. I thought they weren't gonna go back to that part. I was like, oh no, they're gonna do the beginning and then oh, they're coming back to it. And there they were. I was like, oh thank God.
[01:21:16] Speaker C: It was cool. That was pretty cool.
[01:21:18] Speaker A: Zach, why don't you go first?
[01:21:19] Speaker C: I'll say six on the melody. I just didn't like the verses but I love everything else. And sevens and everything else. I do think that the falling to pieces probably would have been a cooler side closer for me. This is pretty strong too. I mean it's a strong side.
[01:21:32] Speaker A: No, six on the lyrics, seven on the melody, seven on the music, six on the arrangement, and six on production. Just because they buried the solo a little bit too much. I wish it was a little more out front. What he was playing was great. His playing has been great. Duff's playing has been great. Even Matt Sorum, who I'm not a huge, huge fan of in Guns N Roses. I'm more of a Steven Adler guy. He's doing great. And Scott Weinland, would you say? And then there's the other guy, which I guess he's doing a great job
[01:21:57] Speaker C: too, whoever he is.
[01:21:59] Speaker A: That other guy.
[01:22:00] Speaker C: Exactly.
[01:22:00] Speaker A: Frank.
[01:22:01] Speaker D: I'm doing sevens across. I thought it was mixed perfectly. I thought the guitar bang. It was mixed perfectly. The band sounds so tight. I think you can interchange this one or fall into pieces as a closer. They're both good. They're both gonna end the side right and they're gonna set us up for what possibly is going to be a great side too.
[01:22:17] Speaker C: Listen up, SMFs.
[01:22:19] Speaker A: That's right, you heard me. Now turn it up, you beautiful freaks.
[01:22:22] Speaker C: It's quintuple 7 Nikki Titty Baby.
[01:22:26] Speaker A: Even D. Snyder likes this.
[01:22:27] Speaker C: Nice.
[01:22:28] Speaker A: What do you think so far?
[01:22:29] Speaker C: It's heavier than I thought it'd be, that's for sure. I went into this completely ear blind deaf, however the you want to say it.
Ear blind it's definitely heavier than I thought it would be and it's strong. I feel that there's room for Slash, Duff and Matt to breathe that they may or may not have had. On the Use your Illusions. I felt that those albums were so slick. And this is not slick. It's well produced, but it's heavy and there's a rawness about it that I really like so far. It's a very strong side. I'm assuming that you guys are still. Still digging it.
[01:23:02] Speaker A: Oh yeah. This is great.
This is great. This is what you want out of these guys. If you had to put these people together, anyone from STP and Guns N' Roses, this is what you thought it would sound like. It is a little heavier though, than either STP or Guns N Roses. That's also where the state of music was though, because new metal already come out and there's other stuff that was a little heavier. So they incorporated that a little bit. And then they got onto the very melodic side and Fall to Pieces, which is still a great song. It probably would have been a great Guns and Roses song too. Technically. I don't know what it would sounded like, but it probably would have been good. I just don't think you messed that song up. It may not been as good as this. Maybe it could have been better. I don't know.
[01:23:40] Speaker C: I don't think it would have been better. I don't think it would have been as good as this. I really don't. Because I think there's attempts of it on those two albums that kind of fail for me. I think that what they do to the Heaviness is good heavy though, because we know it's a other bands that try to go heavy and it just didn't work. This works. They took the sound of that time and it's probably mostly because of him. I think it works. And I've never really listened to Slasher, Snake Pit or Duff's other stuff. I don't know how close or how that was to any of this. And if any of this stuff would have been out already, I'm not sure. But they do it well. And I'm glad that it's heavy because I'm digging the heaviness of it. Frankie was still fanboying, right?
[01:24:20] Speaker D: Oh yeah. 100 I think this project is by far the best project. And they're all the standalones that they've done. I don't know about the other guy, if he understand, but definitely a bit of a standalone project from Duff is Slash and Even Scott Weinland did have his own standalone project, which wasn't a fan of that album when he released it.
[01:24:38] Speaker A: What was that? The Walkabouts?
[01:24:40] Speaker D: Yeah, I think that's what it was called. Yeah, he had a couple of singles on there. I don't think it was that great. A successful standalone project or away from scp.
[01:24:48] Speaker C: The Wild Abouts.
[01:24:49] Speaker A: Wild Abouts. The STP album. That was really STP with the other singer. I forget what that was called with Bennington.
[01:24:56] Speaker C: No, no. Talk show, wasn't it?
[01:24:58] Speaker A: Talk Show.
[01:24:59] Speaker D: Oh, talk show, yes. Talk show was a side project. Yes, correct.
[01:25:03] Speaker A: That wasn't bad.
[01:25:04] Speaker D: The two brothers.
[01:25:05] Speaker A: It's stp. It's the drummer, the bass player, guitar player, and then they just have a different singer. So it's STP with somebody. I thought the couple things that I've heard from that were pretty good.
[01:25:13] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd like to hear. To hear that too. I never really listened to that.
[01:25:15] Speaker A: I've heard one song.
[01:25:16] Speaker C: They only made one album though, right?
[01:25:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so.
[01:25:19] Speaker D: They each made one album after scp.
[01:25:21] Speaker C: But Scott Weiland has a solo album as well, too, though, doesn't he?
[01:25:24] Speaker D: Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, he has. Wasn't it, Scott? Wild in the Wild About.
[01:25:27] Speaker C: Is that what it was? Just said, the Wild About. Oh, well said on tour with his band, the Wild Abouts.
[01:25:33] Speaker A: This was a good thing. I'm glad we introduced Savino to this. I knew he would like it. It was just a matter of getting to. We've been holding on to this for four years.
[01:25:40] Speaker C: A while.
[01:25:41] Speaker A: Since the beginning. This was a record that we wanted to do.
[01:25:43] Speaker C: But even recently we've held on to it for a while. Frank obviously couldn't make it for a few weeks and we're waiting. And then the anniversary came up.
Tonight was the night.
[01:25:52] Speaker A: It's really, really good, Sav. Why don't you do your thing?
[01:25:55] Speaker C: We are part of the Deep Dive Podcast Network and the Boneless Podcast Network.
[01:26:00] Speaker A: Boneless. You don't like those chicken wings without the bone.
[01:26:03] Speaker C: Like I always say. Great bunch of guys took us in right away. If you want individual podcasts about bands, Tom Petty, who just ran, released something, I think today. I know, posthumously, of course. Megadeth, Metallica, Rush, Judith Priest, you name it, it's probably on there. So go check them out. And Mark, where can they find this?
[01:26:20] Speaker A: On the Interwebs Rock Roulette Pod. On all the social media. Rock roulettepodcast.com do the polls, do the merch. You know what to do. Put us on your auto download and rate us 5 stars wherever you rate your podcast. Next week we get to finish out the rest of the album. The next two sides as it was of the two records. Because it's such a long record, it's 56 minutes.
It's just one of those of the times. Let's put as much as we can on the CD. Let's do 60 minutes and next week we'll get to see if side two compares to side one. I think we're still going to be very happy. What happens?
[01:26:52] Speaker C: I hope it doesn't fall flat on the second side.
[01:26:54] Speaker A: My other favorite song, Slither, is on this side.
[01:26:56] Speaker C: I've heard of the names. I've heard of both those names. Slither and Fall to Pieces. Slither for sure. I know I must have seen the single. Maybe I did hear it. I don't know. We'll see.
[01:27:06] Speaker A: Three of the four singles are from the second side.
[01:27:08] Speaker C: Oh, nice. Okay, that's odd. That usually does not happen.
[01:27:13] Speaker A: Nope. Usually it's front loaded in singles, but this time it's backloaded in singles.
[01:27:17] Speaker C: Cool.
[01:27:17] Speaker A: We will see how it goes. See if Savino still is in the same headspace.
[01:27:21] Speaker C: Yeah, see these stay in my headspace or whatever. He is in my headspace.
[01:27:28] Speaker A: All right, guys, we'll see you next week. Ciao.
[01:27:30] Speaker C: Ciao.
[01:27:31] Speaker D: Good night, everybody.
[01:27:32] Speaker A: Later.
